On The Bee Weekly, Kyle and Adam are joined by Mike Luso to talk about this week at the Babylon Bee as The Bee turns 6 years old, Russia invades Ukraine, and Biden gives an interesting State of the Union. Then Alex Epstein—no relation—brings his moral case for fossil fuels.
You can find out more about Alex Epstein at the Center for Industrial Progress.com, get his book The Moral Case For Fossil Fuels or pre-order his upcoming book Fossil Future!
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Kyle, Adam, and Mike talk about Ukraine and the State of the Union before looking at the Banger and Bomb articles of the week. Adam brings Weakly News and then the Bee celebrates turning 6 years old by going through some of its greatest hits! Kyle and Adam then talk to Alex Epstein about the moral case for fossil fuels and whether or not you can really run the entire nation on solar power. The Bee got some hate mail for making fun of Christians again.
In the subscribers-only lounge, Kyle, Adam, and Mike look at the top subscriber-pitched headlines of the week and some love mail for making fun of Christians. Subscribers to the Bee also get the rest of the Alex Epstein interview!
This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
They seventy minute, dont monsieur fire, was broadcast on tv away. There was just the state of the union, Russia invaded Ukraine, but at least it ended Covereth astray rocket is going to crash into the moon, though some are suggesting is actually going to crash into a sound stage. In Hollywood, we talk to Epstein, no, not that s time and he wants a nuclear reactor in every grudge and Babylon B is now old enough that if you stack three Babylon these in a trench coat, they could get drafted into a war in Europe. All this and more on everyone,
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balloons our stuff here, because the Babylon Bee turned six this week. Yes, on March, First sorrels, when little later, we're gonna go through the top ten Bam lumpy articles through through history. Somebody find, but in the meantime, were more threes going on Yea Ukraine has been invaded by Putin. It's not it's! It's a complicated situation, yeah under it. So weird seeing all the foot
Come out in real time like tanks driving down the street, you see let people commuting to work like by tying. It is doubly so crazy. I saw a tweet saying this is the worst generation to see a world war because most of them, like people caught misinformation, I just say overload of information most like the others of husband. Fake is just trolls tweeting stuff that doesn't like beta make fake means like there's a whole like anime, Ukraine, meme thing going on Twitter and like it's, it's funny, it's hilarious. But yes, yes, weird seem like me,
information come on real time and I saw people. I posted the ito, people at a prairie pro Ukraine or posting like all this guy Winton killed a billion people. You know with one bullet in your dislike with one think: that's probably fate and I mean some of it, the trolling and that its also lake, because you're getting up dates in real time. Right. There's! No! It's like you know it's like not necessarily deliberately. Misinformation is just people trying to conduct this
and what's going eyes, TAT is no bernajoux valor and out you know it. I made it hasn't, been factor verified. We await for snow
because you could say that nobody has in fact for us. So we don't know. We also had
state of the union this week, which was something that happened now I don't know I had a politician, giving a speeches and then interesting to me because it something somebody else wrote and they're just standing of the reading it and it's all the pandering to the basic rule over the trying to appeal to you actually launched IRAN's idea. I just kind of thought it was like a blog like it wasn't, really nothing romilly leg, it wasn't like he. He definitely like stumbled over words
phrases. Lot, and you know everything is bad, but he's trying to make it sound good, but there wasn't anything I family super in
say it was interesting that he said fund the police, but he made a point to be like don't deal on the police one, the pool the thing is it is it will. I nevertheless say everybody out on your side was the right in his I've island, as like I mean I went to school for dollars and, like I understand, like the dynamic between misinformation, and I like to know what people souci politicians actually believe, anyone biting was running. I no longer conservatives are saying: oh Biden is antiquaries only know he's not like. He is fundamentally pro police. None other people hard. You know Anti police buzz. I Biden did when because he was properly Langer without was one of the aspects as if he wasn't like the moderates. When a vote for him. Yes, Canada, warm more within the left here,
Ass to keep the people the fringe happy happy, but he also ass a kind of appear that modern base. So where I well, let's go to Babylon, be banger. The weak friends,
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story of the weak. Neil young threatens to leave Spotify again unless Vladimir Putin back down from his chair,
So he yes or no young friends to pause music off. Very sad, not good. This inquiry
This will Ukraine thing and I do see all the kind of virtue signalling of the and I'm not saying anything about the car.
but for the whole liking. Everybody's profile picture immediately. Changing to the new cause is always something that I am like. Did you see him Dylan's tweet about? He said something like this is a step this such a great time for all seventy five media outlets to release their doctors,
revamping, and it's like bit of so many documentaries like yeah. What's his name, who he's like already, he like in Ukraine like day one thing filming documentary, what's his name, the actor Sean PEN,
Sean powers. Yes, he was carrying. Yes, how did you get? There's six uses ready will? Hopefully, new young doesn't fall through. The very sad
a bomb of the week. The wreck, California issues hypothermia, warning after temperature drops below sixty eight degrees, other those funnier eat. It's very relevant to California, is relevant for adding just don't care. A California is weird over these been politicizing retell joke about our forty people, assume you're gonna slam. California
for having homeless or just make a general light, hearted Jovan, but governess communist. We should have made a California issues, hypothermia warning for all the homeless, for the animals. If you have a thing in commies and hideous proof on the street freezes in California as temperature, hopeful of sixty eight degrees dude, I walked out front in it- was twenty nine degrees. Last week and one point in my really, my car was frozen over allow as here in this state, yeah yeah and I went to go pick up. My kids were school, like three clock and snowing on them so yeah, I wasn't it snowing in, like Fontana yeah, we'll figure yeah yeah its nose at their negative connotations. The foot also nastiness, while herself
hang over here: pray for us everybody. Now this, let's find out what really happened this week as we go to weekly news without any answer. It's time for the weak, Joe Biden delivered the state of the union address on Tuesday evening marking the latest. He stayed up his entire presidency by it and appeared to get confused several times during the address. He call
Ukrainians Irena ends. He said a wall can't stop the vaccine and at one point he started throwing beads at eight sea because it was Marty, growth, fight and started his speech by highlighting the sanctions, the. U S and other countries have placed on blood mere Putin which could shrink Russia's economy by five percent.
You ve got to hand it to him on this one. If there's one thing bite and knows how to do it's destroying economy, ukrainian Press
bottom ears, Linsky called Joe Biden on Monday, using a satellite phone and urge the? U S to send more ammunition, impose even harsher sanctions on Russia and add his name to the wall. At the comedy store
President Biden nominated Federal Judge, Khatami Brown Jackson to fill justice, Stephen Briars Vacancy, if confirmed, she would be the first black woman on the Supreme Court and the second black woman after this black
woman to be hired by them for being a black woman Britishers. She wouldn't just be the second.
the first one that you are the second that he's a now that he's Hiven pieces of Israel is out of the? U S, release
nuclear attack guidelines that include social, distancing and wearing masks inside radiation shelters. They say the mask should cover
mouths and all three of your mutated noses. When asked
White House event. Whether Americans should be worried about a nuclear war with Russia. Joe Biden responded no, and when has he ever been wrong before to protest the invader
of Ukraine. Several artists have cancelled upcoming, shows in Russia, including bring me the horizon young blood, health, a J, r and also some bands I've heard of before I've heard of Youngblood. I don't know what that is, but hopefully Putin will withdraw from Ukraine. Now that bring me the horizon, isn't coming
and in the clearest sign, yet that this is the start of world war. Three. This is real plans for a concert by Franz Ferdinand have been cancelled. Bitcoin bounced back above
forty thousand dollars this week as many russian switch from the crashing rouble to crypto currency. It's an easy switch to make, since both are fake currency. A second a stray Chinese
rocket is going to crash into the moon on Friday. It turns out there not very good at driving spaceships either Yellowstone National Parks Yellowstone
national park celebrated its one hundred fiftieth anniversary this week, so happy anniversary, Yellowstone and remember, there's still time to explode and kill us all before Putin does
an elderly woman in Michigan, gaudy, tat too, to celebrate her one hundredth birthday and yet look sexy now. But imagine how stretched out and weird it's gonna look when she's a hundred and ten? That's it for the weekly news. Go
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we're in time really Party birthday party the be turned sex, happy birthday, be here's the first
to call that ever went live on Social for them. On the Christian New satire site launches a picture of it. Crying Obama upper the people who think we're only restart recently started. Doing policy says that if you haven't, we launched with something like seventeen articles and like eight or nine of them were political and then the rest were christian. Aus like half in half, and now we do you like,
LEO, see jokes and one Jesus. Yes, so we're gonna go through the top ten greatest hits of Babylon be articles these
I think these are arranged by a number of shares on social media saw our number one article of all time. Crackerjack changes need to more politically correct, caucasian jack, fantastic Photoshop. Their number two is Biden, cuts hole in mask, so he can still sniff people's hair. As April two April, twenty twenty right beginning the pandemic, their necks, one is CDC. People with the dirt on Clinton's have eight hundred forty three percent greater risk of suicide.
Let us not be things I look at this time. Not I've been huge. Conspiracy. Theory gave when I look at that stuff anomalies. A little luck is what does it say? I don't actually the conspiracy that pits of weird Blake, too weird, is of a wife, always says if Hillary Clinton knocks on the ardour are lacking. A people are right when you Kyle she's, like I'm an appointment
They too you tell them. I have nothing to do with about on the so she's gonna, something out before
legal introduces new sharper bricks than instantly kill you when you step on them, so nice and I dont even wash my feet for that picture. It's kind of groups and excellent number five,
from. I have done more for Christianity than Jesus, you, those funds.
Didn't do that when we first posted it and then like it just started to go around make the rounds on the left. People vote was real, I say then just gifting shared and shared and
is that one or any of these do no one's that got. The old slopes fact check that one did the other one so far have not ok, I will note when they hold more cyclists, who had been defined as bicyclists set cycling world like record. I think this is the only I dunno five joke and our top ten so that we only have,
one of the top video and you did its internal combating behind you. Ocampo
seven inspiring celebrity spell out we're all in this, together with their yachts number eight Bernie tests negative for president ten thousand timing. Think, oh, yes, a celebrity spelling out that, with the odds, got back, checked all serves, or two of these have been raised earlier, so making what they decide a fact. They don't have anything to do. Fisher price releases, my first peaceful protests placed set with how you can actually burned down and then one might have gotten fact checked of our right, which is bizarre cause. It doesn't even look real. The phone wickedly yet fact checked fun our number ten trump installs ejection seats throughout
press briefing room and we have a nice photoshop that behind MIKE over there are some of these are on the wall per year. Will thank you, everybody for all your support and reading the side and watch the videos and subscribing to the polish cast and those of you who are paying subscribers. It's just amazing to me that it's only been six years. I ve should talk to people about the Babylon being there like. It's only been that they feel like it's. It's been round for much longer than I have thus feel like it's been longer
yes six year, so happy birthday, Babylon being, and I hope you guys celebrate with us by clicking on many babylon- be articles. Let's go now to our interview with Alex Epstein,
He is a guy who really likes gasoline yeah he's a big fossil fuel fan and we had talked to
the law must back in December and Elon Musk was going on about solar panels and how you could, but was his thing about. You could not do a hundred by hundred square miles
a hundred miles by hundred miles section and of solar panels, and you can
Our everything else that and Alex Epstein disagree had the gall to dead they're, all with Elon Musk smartest man on the plan is to take his opinions, airing of salt
Let's talk, dogs have started it and see what he has to say. He is a book called the moral case for fossil fuels that you can check out. Also, yes, fascinating, subject, big eyes, everybody knows
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Or another interview, wigley we're here with the Alex Epstein. No, really
listen. That's dieting are you have is thine eye, as that's only matter in the last year,
as it is greatly yours, accessible taxes, no matter how successfully
Yet you can never on an island
that's true, but I have a kind of I have a goal that I've never publicly said were heard that by twenty twenty three I will be associated with the name Epstein before Lacquer o dialogue. That's a great golden.
I would not, for the same reasons that we will it and will be redeemed, not being like having Brian Epstein was the manager of the Beatles it'll it'll be
But I think that our aid and Epstein that's good, the textile and you
you written the moral case for fossil fuels. It also has a pod cassowary it on Youtube that I've seen yet or power our you're, an expert on fossil fuels. You ear you like fossil fuels. So what is your favorite dinosaur? Sufficient museum come from dinosaurs
Come that's half our quest. Frightened of dinosaurs point I mean was a kid
liked our source just cause. It had my name like sounded like me, but I think I'm very commercial. May I just love the t. Rex he's really hard to not why committees, just so powerful and beauty
classic. Now, really I mean you talk about an island, so it's interesting thing about it. If you really rich what what are the things you can get from being really really rich.
and there are not many. I think that are that appealing having private islanders, one private jet is too like that's ten times or more more expensive than just flying for closing flying first class. If you do well, you can do it in the university of
kids or something like that, but owning dinosaur skeletons is another one.
by a really I nodded
paleontology expert or even like somebody studies, arise, love dinosaurs and was I was of the rock the right road that he he owns. It's like a thirty million dollar t Rex scholarly right emulating. Just it's like you know, like beachfront properties. One of these things were its super expensive alike. Dinosaur. Bones are just this incredibly,
This is such a limited supply, and so that's that's why you want to be really really wretch say you can afford those kinds of thing be our currency instead of the gold standard, we should dinosaur
fossils, that's true, you can see the ads very hard to expand the supply by their action to save
you see my hand, I I cut it on a razor like a minute after I arrived here, and they amazingly have a nurse who wrapped up
looks like I'm giving everyone the finger, but I am very grateful to how prepared you guys were yeah and we're glad you're gonna survive. Yeah
good prognosis world, so she threw that occurred. Bonds told us that fossil fuel doesn't african renaissance, we're not really good at adjusting the flies over disc and ask other questions anyway. Ok, which dinosaur makes the best oil
I like this in clear dinosaur, Racine that one might well. Yes, I got a gas at this morning, oh yeah, exciting. For me, I saw that dinosaur today, given speeches there, but it is, I think it's it's like. I should like thinking a lot about the history you can think of it as its ancient dead plants or more accurately, ancient dead life. I think it's actually very powerful to understand fossil fuels. That way, because you understand both the benefits and some of the hazards of fossil fuels, if you think of it just to simplify it as plants. It's also point plankton which are technically plants. We take what you think about old,
ants and what's happened, is they ve like right? Now you can use plants as energy in the form of would write like you can burn. Would,
But what nature did with these ancient plants? Is it compressed them, and so what you had is this very concentrated source of energy oil being
the most obvious there, and so oil has. What's in our markets, called energy density stores. A lot of energy in a small space. Can that's why oil was so so difficult to replace around the world because
you're dealing with something that has a large amount of energy in a small space. And if you look at things like ie these, they are very difficult to do for larger vehicles because
the strength to weight ratio of oil keeps becomes more significant.
the larger the vehicle you're dealing with, so they ve got this concentrated quality. Also, since you're talking about hundreds of millions of years, there very abundant cause you're dealing with the plans that have existed throughout all of history in pre history. All of this stuff, so their abundant their concentrated there also stored, because, just like would stores
gee. They store energy and that's really important for reliability, that you can get the energy on demand versus, say the sun in the wind which common intermittently. If we talk about law, that's gonna be part of the issues. He doesn't fully acknowledge the challenge that, but at the same time, their plants- and so they d
Just have the hydrogen and carbon, which is what stores the energy they also things like sulphur. So when you Brit, when you burns call, it can release was called sulphur dioxide, which can cause smog. Why is that? Because the sulphur is part of the plan, so the things that the plants need to grow are also things that become contaminants pollutants. When you burn the fossils
the other thing. Is there hydrogen and carbon? And so when you burn them, you get water h too. Oh, and you also get carbon dioxide seo too. So that's why I like I love thinking about the history, because you get its is naturally stored, naturally concentrated actually bonnet source of energy, but it does emit Co2 and it does also particularly coal and some accent. Oil have these other elements of plants that it puts in the air and then with those you need technology to reduce the,
mission of those, otherwise it can cause problems. What happens when we run out of oil? Can we do Jurassic Park, make millions of dinosaurs and then harvest than for more oil? I love you. I love
I mean I've always feel finds idea of Jurassic Park, like so intoxicating.
one of the challenges with that actual way- and this relates to the ceo to issue- is that dinosaurs?
existed at a time when the planet was much more tropical and lush, including you have something like ten times more seo too. So you can have these giant plants which the urban wars need, but also the carnivores they eat the herb of workers rights
need? So that's the real one of the real challenges we don't have enough co2 in the atmosphere, dinosaurs, which means we need to use a ton of energy to feed the dinosaurs. But then
If you think the oil can from dinosaurs than your using the dinosaurs to feed the dinosaurs, and so it ITALY it leads to to challenge
the future of oil running out is really it's one. That's why?
really thought about. Like I sort of came on this, because I have been critical of certain things. Elon musk had set on the show, and one thing he says: no people
we're gonna run out some day so like. Let's do it now,
which doesn't make any sense to me, because you can pay like, depending on your own reviews of the universe you can say like while the sun is gonna run out some day or this out
that is going to last for two
a thousand years and I think that the best policy is just have the policy of. What's always do the most cost, effective thing and then overtime that evolves. So there's this false alternative. If we do this,
sustainable thing which usually means repeatable like let's use the sun, because we can theoretically repeated over and over and over four billion years
although all the elements that go into it, you can't repeat over and over, but the best policy
there's just to say: if the sun is ever the most cost effective thing, do it, but otherwise use oil and then, if you can only do that for three hundred years, then use uranium
and then you might figure out how to use of the elements in water and just turn water into
so, unlike, I think it's very important, I think of it as energy of evolves and we shouldn't a spy
already use the most renewable thing. We should always use the most cost effective thing and then progress overtime
two other. Yet you are your own because you had deserted some stuff, Elon Musk said when he was on the interview. Show I won't say we we never disagree on
yeah so glad that he came on our show. Shell always retreats our staff and gives us credit unlike,
having sore about so we have nothing against what is one of the points he made an and others have made switching to like solar panels at some length. Mass of solar panels could could be no power. The world now bring up what you said.
When you said you know, fossil fuels will last us a long time. What is that time frame like if we use them like? I know I've heard you know about the sun. It's like billions of years. Is it also? Is it thousands of years millions of years? What's the timeframe for fossil fuels and an immediate sense? What is the dissident?
the solar panels, are they actually worked for the environment? Are they ineffective? Cost was like as a rough number. You can think of it as conservatively. There's ten times more of all the fossil fuels of each one, including oil, which is usually considered the most scarce in here,
replace more than we have ever used in the entire history of civilization. That's the about! What's called the deposits, but that's different than the amount that we will be able to use cost effectively in their terms like reserves and prove reserve.
Indifferent, but the key is that there is a huge amount of it sounds like an endless ocean of the stuff and our ability to her
Ernest that ocean is bigger and bigger and bigger all the time so, for example, probably heard of fracturing and the Shell revolution, and that was a type of rock
That was considered economically inaccessible for the most part, even fifteen or twenty years ago, and now it's kit now there's more of that consider
The resource it wasn't a resource before, but it is now because we ve harnessed like there's more of that. Even then we views in the whole history of civilization more
left, so there's no near term concern about
supply like if you look at natural gas or something in the ocean called methane, hydrates worthy you're talking about emit like ten times more. Even then, I've talked about so far
so, there is no at all issue of you, you could. You could use for everyone to use fossil fuels for a century and
be fine and also over time. You can convert them into one another like their better and better ways of turning gas into liquid. The keeping is the liquid
and that is that I want to stress, because it's it's, how do you have
energy when you're on the go when your mobile and again the concentration is the key thing there. So you ve done that fossil fuels, but let Francis Nuclear
it's pretty good at generating electricity, but at the moment it doesn't have very good solutions for peace.
mobility now, actually, in the long term, it may be the most promising cause it's even more much more dense than fossil fuels.
But we don't have commercialized application, so we have and we ve icebreakers and aircraft carriers and stuff, but we do not yet have planes in that kind of thing that our nuclear and its one reason why I am big on decriminalizing nuclear so that we can have a lot of innovation, because because logically, the history of energy is that you go from dilute sources of energy
to concentrated. So we started off with you know. Actually, the sun, like most of energy energies, to be renewable, the sun in the wind and then we move to wood, and then we move to call, and then we moved to oil and so that kind of next big logical thing is
two nuclear but interestingly the anti fossil fuel. Modern environmental movement has criminalize nuclear, so we ve seen almost no progress there in managing dollars. If we were like it's illegal for me to have a nuclear reactor, yeah ok
that's good enough, but it shut down right now. I'm gonna take care of it, but I don't think it should be. So this is an interesting thing. I'll make sure we get a solar, but like nuclear is, if you look at the physics of it, it's the safest form of energy ever invented most forms of energy. The hazard that they have is that they can go out of control very quickly like they can explode in one form or another. So I can have a call plant that can explode. You can have natural gas, can explode quite easily
can explode a big damn like a hydroelectric. Damn can wipe out a hundred thousand people if it just breaks solar,
doesn't have that american catch on fire. People like die falling off authors, but it it in terms of safety. It's it's safer than the fossil fuels, but nuclear is the safest double. Nothing can come close, but then so the issue with solar, as I mentioned, that the history of energy is used more and more content
Fraid of energy and the other thing is that over time you need energy more and more on demands. If you look at how we use energy today, like electricity in particular, how
that work whatever we do in terms of our demand for electricity, the supply adjusts. We have this amazing thing called a grid which people don't appreciate, but no matter how much electrician.
We use an imaginary factory like you can ramp up, and it just happens, and this is a magical thing. If you look at electricity, gas electricity is very precise in terms of
like you need exactly the right amount, otherwise things go haywire, and yet we have this ability to generate.
exactly the amount of supply we need in response to unpredict, substantially unpredictable demand. What that means is you need a highly controllable supply, so once you realize you need highly controllable electricity. The biggest challenge with solar wind becomes apparent because these are on.
controllable inputs, rights of the sun. You cannot control Sundays. It's like you, take place like you Tarzan thing like that like it can just you know, you can have a snow storm and it can be, it can be unavailable for days, but even you can have clouds
and where we are in California. It's not particularly predictable and
control was not on at night. It's not on here late afternoon, early evening, it's not on in the morning and so when you're thinking about the cost of that, you need to think about not only the cost of the solar panels in the transmission wires, but the cost of the whole backup system that turns and uncontrollable,
and put into a controllable output, and I would say, seventy five percent of my criticism of what you says is that heat
totally ignores or devalues this issue and in my view, as if you look at the full cost of solar, it is completely cos prohibitive if you factor in the back up. If you just look at how much of the solar panels. Yes it's cheap, but nobody can operate anything just using solar panels. They need the backup system to turn the uncontrollable input
and took controllable output, and so that the whole idea of focusing on solar to me makes I think it's a kind of primitive religious fetish of we just want to use the sun and that's a kind of appealing thing to people like. What's use the sun? What use the wind its natural? Because if you look at just what actually promising it would be using nuclear
when you have this naturally concentrated stored, abundant source of energy. That could theoretically do anything and has a track record of providing controllable, mostly low cost electricity for decades
before his criminal. So one of the very revealing things about the anti fossil fuel movement is that they are the biggest opponents of nuclear and many pro fossil fuel. People like me, are adamantly pro nuclear and with you on. I would fault him for he's not rapidly anti nuclear, but he very much diminishes it he's
or subsidies for solar and he doesn't acknowledge the fundamental challenges and solar and he doesn't like if, if you care about co2 emissions like you need to be rapidly pro nuclear and be avidly in favour of decriminalizing
clear it it's so this involved. I will try to be as simple as possible the numbers, but if people saw that you know interview,
What happened was at one point. He just said it takes a relatively small amount of land to to produce
or power, and he mentioned in passing nuclear like it's even more dense and nuclear, which, if you think about it like nuclear
and stored in a certain amount of space. One million times of oil can store, and in practice it it ends up being about a look in the thousands of times and if you think of sunlight, it's pretty dilute. So it should it's a kind of weird claim how he makes that claim, but part of
He makes that claim. Is he he d, and this was a thing I got really upset about, and I should say I really like he's a guy, I loved you accuse the tiny first,
I would like to lay I am like he's such my time
of person in the centre. Like he's ambitious. He like achieves things, he's pretty interesting way. He's pro human, which most kind of climate catastrophe are not like, is pro human. He really likes you
beings. He stands for achieving this so much. I love you, I get so upset because he says these things that he I don't. I don't like he's a psychological can understand what I cannot understand. What's going on with him. So maybe he'll watch this and you can explain to us what he said there was just obviously false like there can be no argument, even so said. The basic thing he said was he's talking about. I ll just give you
the simple version you take a square metre of solar and in a sunny area it gives you what's called one kilowatt right, so, like one kilowatt is.
You can think of it like a test was a hundred kilowatt hours, so one kilowatt if the sun shines therefore hundred hours, it'll fill up the Tesla so saying this, and then he what the basic
thing he was doing you saying. Ok, twenty percent with twenty percent efficiency gets point to kilowatts.
that's the estimate he was getting, all of his numbers were based on the idea of solar generating point to kilowatts per square metre, and the idea of the efficiency of the solar panel gets hit with one kilowatt of sun, but because of the technology, can only convert one fifth of that into energy. So its point, two
what's right, and so we all of its calculation, were based on that. But there's one problem with this
son does not shine all the time. It shines
intermittently, and this is the whole problem with the sign as energy. If the sun shone twenty four seven, like you can do with a saddle,
out in space. It would be amazing all of its problems basically be solved and we should
use huge amounts of solar energy. What are they are those I liked I've seen you Don T do some more than you do this hashtag catastrophes again kicks way that will force is very interesting and then they're kind of fun to read them. Yet
lay so one point I make an in chapter one of moral case phosphorus anyone can do anything, you just get it free on Amazon and I have a new book fossil future. I go into more detail on it, but when we hear these predictions about the future, we have to recognise that there is a fifty year track record of apocalyptic predictions about fossil fuels that have come false,
and there they have three have three or four basic categories happening. I think about one is we're gonna run out of them soon we talked a lot about and a wide that's wrong. One is there
cause, not just pollution, but catastrophic. Increasing amounts of pollution in the opposite has happened in most of the world. Using technology we use more fossil fuels with less pollution.
here as it they're going to cause some dramatically negative climate change. The dominant kind of public view in the seventies in the sixties was it's gonna, get very cold, and now it's gonna get very warm and in any in
case people are gonna die, an interesting we, whether with colder
They predicted a lot of the same things: it's like a bee drought and famine and stuff like that, more storms like whether gets cold or hot it's gonna, be worse, which I think reveals a bias against human impact in a belief that all human impact is going to cause bad things, regardless of whether its warmer cold and the idea that we inherited the exact, perfect amount of co2 in the exact right average temperature. So you have this track record and there's a quick- and, I think, is very important for people to know the track record because it can break you of this idea of o the media tells me experts say Ex. Therefore, I should believe it now. Expert knowledge is crucial and we need expert knowledge should know about energy to know about climate and environment. We have to recognise that the system that tells us what experts think, I believe, is very, very broke. I call this the knowledge systems you think about like how do we know what the best opinion is about our impact on climate? That has a there's researchers, who kind of discover things, and even they can be influenced by negative things, but then there are people who said
besides what they come up with like who put it all together, which in climate is called the intergovernmental panel on climate change and they can have their own motivation. So you could even have all the researchers be totally right, which would be hard enough, but then the synthesizers could really distort it. And then you have what I call the disseminators like the New York Times, who tell us what the synthesis is and then there what I call the evaluators, including politicians who decide what to do about it, and you can see this with covert like you have a similar thing, like their researchers
but then there people are synthesizing it and they can distorted and their people are disseminating us and they can distort
are people without putting evaluating what we do about it. You have been thinking about it a lot over the past few years, and I didn't have this in this book moral case for fossil fuels, but its central to the the book fossil future. I call it the knowledge system and, if you think of it ass having these four stages of research, synthesis dissemination, evaluation, you really get how, even if all the scientists are doing their job, what they say can lead to terrible policies
if you wonder historically like, why was it that we had things like eugenics for sterilization.
even slavery, extermination of Jews and other groups in the name of science. So it's not just that majorities believed it, but even prestigious scientific people. I believe it's because the knowledge system
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