Socialism is a disastrous form of government. At the end of the Reagan era, however, it appeared that socialism had been assigned to the ash heap of history. So what is fueling socialism’s revival in America? Dinesh D’Souza, author of The United States of Socialism, joins Candace this week to discuss.
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Finish to Susa flee good when he's sitting? Yes, okay. Alright, ladies and gentlemen, we are rolling into another episode of the Candice Owens Show, and I almost forgot to ask you all: how did you like your free trial of socialism in America? I was one of the first people who spoke out against the corona virus, narrative and the overreach of the government? In that scenario, I disagreed with every one left and right who were so fearful that they felt that the government needed to place, sir industry since they needed to ban, are freedoms to keep us safe safety at all about safety through our governments say it's for your safety when they bar your freedoms.
we saw long lines are going into the grocery store. We had police officers that were told they needed to monitor where people could walk where they could go at what time they could go places. We had business owners told that they could not open their businesses they had to be. They were forced to close down many people going into into real depression emotionally and economic depression. Following all of this, all of this, because the government need- to keep us safe so really is just a tiny little teeny bit of a dose of what a world what's under a socialist order, would look like here in Amerika. In fact, I was shocked when I saw politicians, namely Alexandria, Cassio Cortez cheering On her twitter feed, saying see, I told you socialism could work. Who was having a good time, bringing the corona virus shut down who scented themselves. We need more of this people lining up for
unemployment, suddenly more government dependency. We Seeing this take place in America, this spread of socialist ideals and principles in a way that we have never seen it before. Do you even know what socialism is here to answer that question and to talk more about socialism around the world? I have the author of the upcoming book, the United States of socialism and many other books? I also love the big lie, the nest Sousa welcomed. They can do so. In shallow frank, you looking forward to it. I will tell you this
to your book is timely and I'll. Ask you this question: how if we get here, it's a surprise. Socialism appeared to collapse at the end of the last century. In the twentieth century, socialism flourished at the beginning, in fact, had covered about sixty percent of all the real estate in the planet. All the big countries- Russia, China, India, were under the socialist thumb and then at the end of the century boom it all went down. Reg said we had put socialism on the ash heap of history, and I thought so too, and so the revival of socialism in the twenty first century is surely an event of great importance. In fact, Socialism has never been in the mainstream of american history. There ve been socialist candidates in the past, guys like Eugene Debs, a fella named Norman Thomas, but they were always marginal. now not just with Bernie Sanders Ocasio Cortez, but with the means
dream of the Democratic Party embracing socialist ideas. Socialism is in the forefront in a way it's never been before. So that requires explanation. I think the short answer is we're dealing with a new type of souls was the socialist say today. No, no, no one are trying to replicate the socialism of MAO stolen or Lenin. I socialism is new in key respects. We're trying to do essentially do what previous socialism failed to do in previous years. Dozens failed meaning. A hundred million people have been killed under socialist regimes in the last one hundred years, and yet they think that they can somehow replicate it and me
it better yeah you may have heard it's almost like socialism means never having to say you're. Sorry right, you can, you can forget about history, you can erase history, you can start a new year's. My point. Socialism is in fact the most discredited ideas in slavery, the great thinkers on socialism from high act, a soldier needs in and others have always seen socialism as a form of slavery. That's why high Ex book is called the road to serfdom mom. And yet, if someone were to say about slavery, you know what it was kind of a good idea, but the implementation was always flawed. This time, we're gonna get it right. Most people would think that person was clinically insane. Yet this is exactly what people say about socialist.
They say: hey, we ve tried and tried and failed, but you know what this time we're gonna make it work, and I think that there is a certain kind of craziness in socialism, the ideas and the tactics and we're seeing it all around us away or seeing all around us, but we are especially seeing it being perpetuated by young people. Young people really believe that this can work. There's it's a socialist is really. It is a form of idealism. It's great on paper I mean who doesn't want everything to be free. Of course, you can turn around to a four year old and so how should the world one and they'd say? How should the world run and they'd say say that everything should be free? Nobody should have to work a a great idea on paper, but doesn't work, so my question is How is it so? How are so many young people now aware of that our modern socialist history, but our socialist present what's prison happening in Venezuela. That is what sort of boggles my mind. So the socialism that were pursuing is, in fact the socialism events Venezuela there
whose parallels between venezuelan socialism and american socialism. However, the official doctrine of the left here is to deny, that is to say, the socialism that their pursuing they say is socialism of Scandinavia, so they say, look we know than Venezuela is in a mist, global state, but that's not what we're doing we like the way people live in Norway and Sweden. You know it's not that bad to live over there is it so why don't we import that form of socialism here now? The key thing to realize is that with the Scandinavians, they are actually capitalist and wealth, creation, socialist and wealth distribution, Now on the wealth creation side, they never kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. They have low corporate tax rates about twenty percent. same as here they have no minimum wage, they have less regulation, you can actually hire and fire people for any real.
They have no wealth tax with one exception. They have no inheritance tax, the kind of financial transaction fees that Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have proposed for America that exists in no candidate in country a one scandinavian country, Finland tried the universal basic income, it didn't work, they got rid of it. So the Scandinavians are actually they want to create a big pie now when they distributed- and here is the key point- they impose the burden on the whole society, so they have high tax rates on the middle class, Tippit we fifty percent and in Sweden, if you make seventy thousand dollars, you start off by turning half a that thirty five thousand to the government, so they don't practices politics of demonizing the rich, the ritual pay. I'm gonna rob Peter to pay Paul, so I can get Paul's vote of the Scandinavians. Don't do that so that
of it is that the American left says we want to be like Scandinavia, but they don't want to follow the scandinavian model right. You know it's. Actually. It reminds you when you're saying that I think it was Margaret Thatcher who said who is the most immoral Disney hero ever created, and the answer was Robin Hood right. Z, steel from the rich to gauge the poor. You learn not all goddesses, so great, it's actually. The most immoral thing could possibly do when I want to get into this, because I actually dont think that a lot of these young people, especially on, were seeing the edges issue system go down the drain with their their learning. Last and not a smart kids are getting worse, graze are knowing Lester, I'm not competing at the same level that you know, people that graduated high school in college were competing at I'm in decades, pass and they're making the school system easier. Schlep people will graduate and hiring despite
The fact that the people that are graduating are not smart, anymore, right, they're, not as smart as they are. If you will, and when you talk about that this education system, you can also realize that they don't actually teach people what socialism is. Sons have no idea what it is right. So, let's just get to the basics here. Why? First off? What is socialism? Socialism is it's a little bit of an ameba term, because there were socialism before marks the earliest forms of socialism or voluntary communities of people who came together typically like a hundred guys. They pulled there's stuff and they shared everything. In fact, there was kind of a free love, component of these communities as well, so these were essentially voluntary. Communities of people who wanted to live together and not have inequality. Now MAX came along and basically said you. People are fools
You can do what you want, but this is no model for the world and marks introduced the concept of class division soul for marks. The world is divided into two groups of people, basically, the rich and the poor. Ex calls them the proletariat of the working class and then the capitalist class and full marks is always a fight between these two groups. and which will eventually end with the workers being so oppressed that they will overthrow the capitalist class and take over and then you would have soared the perfect system what's interesting about american socialism, is it incorporates this marks in class division, but it adds other forms of division saw for american socialist. Now it's not just rich against poor, its black against white. Its male against female it straight against gay, It is legal against illegal. So I call this identity socialism, because it's a marriage of classic socialism and identity politics. So you can almost
that the left us today are more divisive than marks because they want to cut up society. Eight different ways and their goal is to cobbled together There are a majority coalition of fifty one percent of oppressed victims. That's what they're, after so their worst and Robin and See Robin Hood basically didn't keep it for himself. He had nothing to gain in the Robin Hood story. He was doing it because he was Robin Hood but see these politicians have a lot to gain what their basically saying. As you know, I'm gonna rob Peter to pay Paul, so I can count on Paul's vote, so there's something in it for them. These are Robin Hood, who are advancing themselves in the name of helping the poor. That's exactly right needs in. You saw So much of that, you know what I was looking through. Your people that work is absolutely desperate to get a check, because I couldn't go to work and nobody actually read the legislation that they were putting forth what what else they were passing at the exact same time, essentially making sure they could guarantee that their party would have power. I, when they were proposing all of these stimulus,
we're going to give everybody one thousand two hundred dollars check. Well, if it wasn't just a one pager going to give everybody a one thousand two hundred dollars to get you through the coronavirus. Really, if you know it was five hundred it is packed in a. We also want to harvest So we want this much money to go to harbour your people that create the research papers. That say everything that the Democrats basically say our true in that, Danger is that you put people on this position and in my opinion, they essentially want a welfare eyes. Erica right, you wanna welfare eyes. American have people need the government you'll need the government to turn on the lights and again get that in that way, guaranteeing vote because you need that money you're relying on it, because you can't go to work. and it's so so immoral. But I want you to answer this question because he seems to be a lot of confusion. What is, if anything, the difference between socialism, and communism and I'm a gang and rely to Margaret Thatcher quote where she says socialism suicide and down and Communist knit communism is homicide. You know you can you can elect
Lex socialism but you're, going to end up with communism, because that's how you have to implement it, keep it alive a good way to think about. It is that Communism is a political system, and socialism is at root and economic system their cousins. They go well too The Soviet Union was communist and socialist and at some point it overthrew book. So. The Soviet Union now has a certain type of gangster capitalism, but its neither a communist nor socialist, but look at China. China was a communist socialist society. It got rid of this. socialism by moving toward a peculiar type of market system, a market system control by the state, but nevertheless a relatively free market, but it captives communist political structure intact So no democracy, no free elections controlling the lives of the people, but they can work there become millionaires. They can they can make products, they can get money, so commune
the China's are really good example of the way of preserving communism while jettisoning socialist wagons. They keep that totalitarian system in place, didn't even get that last long term or with Eventually be a clash with Chinese are that could offering their citizens a bargain, which is that you ve been poor, desperately starving peasants for for millennia, we're gonna, basically failure stomach, and we don't want you to say one word about your rights because we are giving you something you ve never had before, and there try to keep the chinese content with that bargain and that's the question turning the corona virus for a second. You know the left needs today the politics of fear, and this is kind of why they try to whip us into a frenzy all the time is he marked sought. You wouldn't need any at its marks, thought that the revolution with scientific it would come out a magical. You don't even have to fight for it, because it's gonna happen by a law history, but nowhere did the workers revolt against it.
At least class not in marxist time and not to this day anywhere in the world. So the left has realised. Mocks was wrong about that. There's, nothing scientific about socialism. What we need is panic, saw dip in after discovered in the depression. I can do all kinds of stuff that I could never have done if we warned in this great depression and then, since the Seventys, the left is like running out of food in the eighties nuclear apocalypse in the nineties, the ozone layer is going away? The last twenty years, climate, change the oceans are rising. I'll go on a virus that that the theme is the same. We want to take rational people and create a crowd stampede, because crowds behave differently than rational individuals in the crowd you can get people to think that their lives are in danger and they have to run. Then they be even ways they do things they submit to irrationality and the left and that is exactly right and I'm so glad you said that, because I'm really in chaos, dictators
can arise, and what I mean by that. Is it so easy for them to pass legislation to people dont think twice and and looking at corona virus situation. I was shocked to see people that I deeply respect on the right. All for this. They were, they mean they were so scared and what the left it is. I finally found something that even concern who understand why we need to have our freedoms are afraid of and that that's death right. So this idea that we've got got this thing and if don't give up all of your rights right now, you're all going to die then, finally, we even saw conservative, say: okay, you know what we got to do something here. We have to let them shut down, but here's the thing about the left. You give them that rope they will hang you with it. You know end, and that was my fear no matter even if this was one hundred percent. True and now, of course, are saying we got this round you got this far. We got this wrong, but, let's say everything about the kurdish. True, let's say it wise ten times more deadly than the flu. Let's say it could jump six feet, it could be transmitted ocular ly, let's say even if you were a symptomatic, it could jump from you and it it was to,
kill off we grandma's in Grandpas all over America. Does that mean that its proper for the government to come in and to step up and decide how you live right? Do I not have a right to get the corona virus? If I decided, I won't take a chance. And go to work. Do I not have a right to go out and say you know what I know it's real and I could probably get it and then do people not then have a right to say you know what she can go outside. but I'm gonna stay inside, because I think she's absolutely crazy and I'm not gonna get this. How do you but are we determine? Where do we draw the line here in the past has never been any reason to suspend constitutional liver. Is other than in wartime. So more time. For example, the government can do things to you that infringe on your limit, For example, the draft you to make you go fight, even if you don't want to fight, because this is war of info
PS pandemics. We have not had a wartime situation. The government has not done the things had tried to do this time, and so I think, what's very pernicious. Is that Our civil liberties are actually not up for democratic referendum it doesn't matter. If ninety nine percent of people say Danesh. You can't say that I have a right to say it The matter of ninety nine percent of people say: hey Dinesh, you can't practice your faith or your conscience. In this way. I have a right to do it. Why? Because I never seated that right to the government in the first place I never gave this was a limited social compact to do certain things,
receive certain protections and return and by the way, with all this deef under police nonsense, the truth of it is, if you they truly be fund the police. The social compact is ended because even for Hobbs who favour a strong state, Hobbs basically said the reason we get into a state. The reason that we we give to the government. This power is because the government promises to protect us. That is its first duty before does any and if its ever stop doing that all bets are off. We owe the government no allegiance. We other government, no taxes, we are no longer. We are basically back in the state of nature, as Hobbs put it and what we found for ourselves. If the government can protect us, it's no good way and Democrats remarkably have raised, at least in theory. This idea we were
a government that will not protect its own citizens right in and the same regard, they want a government that also going to pay for citizens, do not work and do nothing so its tremendous. They want to grow government, but they want to make sure that you don't have these institutions. It's gonna protect. The citizens is also confusing, and you have to ask the question: what is the What are they after? You know you got on the one hand they say they spent years. We need. To make sure that nobody in America has a gun. We want unarmed the citizens because of urine I can see you can call nine one one now we're suddenly arrived at. We want to defend the police and by the they're carrying signs where I live, I say: abolish the police right so which is it you know? Do you do you want as to be able to call on there's an emergency. Or do you want to abolish the police wise? It seem like going all over the place and ended. There is really no structure in terms of what they actually after so I like to take a stab at saying what they want. What I think I think they're going for
A lot of conservatives set over the years that socialism will never work because it's against human nature, but I think that the new so The lesson that their pushing now is not against human nature. It actually appeals a very low unappealing side of human nature, so under corona virus, for example, a lot of people have been sitting on their couch. and the laughter saying to those people: hey isn't that kind of nice. I mean G, do you really want start dressing up again and shaving and going into work and punching a clock and listening to your boss, rave on and on. Would it be cool if we gave You two thousand dollars a month and you just hang out and your couch perpetually the little part of everybody. There goes my you know really. The leading socialists, the people who are pushing the system are extremely cunning and ambitious. They are now sitting on the couch, in fact they have indefatigable energy. The problem is that they don't have
any of the skills that are good and entrepreneurial society. Take people like Bernie Sanders Obama, Hilary, it's not that there they they are an industrious It's just that. If you ask them to make an Iphone, they would not do it. If you ask them do from, figure out Amazon, Prime, they would be clueless, they useless useless figures in an entrepreneurial society, but there as a socialist society, they would be the ones in charge. They'd be driving the carriage, so when Elizabeth worn says something like you know. I want to turn over health care to the people. That's democratic socialism. The people will be in charge of health care. I say to myself: well part of the people. What say too, I have in any public institution the Post office, dry, many say in the way the post office is run or operated? No, do you have you say in the way that the envy operates no to it as the ordinary. british sky have any say in the way. The british National Health service works, no soul when they say that people. Who do they mean they mean Elizabeth Warren,
she's gonna run the health she's gonna. Tell you sorry candice! You have this condition, but you're gonna have to just wait, saw ultimately they ve realized that socialism can work for them, not just in power, but also in money. I mean look at the american Socialist or the people, leaning in direction. They have all cashed in big time in politics, the Clinton's went from zero to two hundred million divided from zero to two hundred million. Al Gore's worth a hundred million dollars, Obamas are worth over fifty million dollars. Think about that. How do you make that kind of dough on a government salary by the way, there's no politician in Scandinavia, who has ever done that way? But in Venezuela? If you look at these say, the job as family, the Madeira family, the job as family a billionaire, so the richest family in Venezuela, so in Venice,
as in America, socialism is big business and I think another element of this is that people don't understand anything about their government and we really are flying blind and why. I think the note the first way that we defeat this is that we have written about the education system. I mean they're, pulling out classes in civics. You can't learn about western civility. right. That's racist, you're, not learning about civics, all your life think about exactly what you're talking about men. Why men? bad if you're, a woman, why why people are bad if you're, a black person or white person they now have clauses, were white people have a Lord about their white guilt and what we ve real done is we replaced a solid education system with psychological conditioning right? These kids come out of school. They hate the west. I think there's something fundamentally wrong and backwards about capitalism about western society. Yet, if you see each endless people that speak so negatively about America they'd never want to go, live anywhere in east. Why how do you want to live in the west? Why would you prefer your kids grow up here, as opposed to growing up somewhere like Russia and
This is sort of the problem that we have, that we're fundamentally teaching anti americanism and I feel badly. When I see these kids like these, you know fifteen year old tv thugs re running around rioting because they really know nothing. They know nothing. Academia is the theory and anti the practice. So, if you think about it, what the left has done here with the George Floyd killing, is they ve taken the episode now when that episode first occurred, everybody said that that's wrong and there was an opportunity to have a moment of national unity which, as we all agree on something, and we can proceed to look at what happened and how to fix it. But the left realise no, no, no, that's not what we want. We actually want an opportunity for racial division, so what we have to do as we take the George Floyd episode
and attach it to a larger narrative that the larger narrative is unhooked from George Floyd. It's things like from the George Floyd episode. Do you think? Okay, if we see a bad cough, the solution to a bad cop is obviously to have a good cop. So let's try to get more good cops, but that's not the left approach. The last approach is all cops are like that: jobs are in graphically racist, even like ups, because, as you remember, the Floyd case, there was a black up. There was a in asian carp there already, and why are they? Racist costs are part of a racist system, so America's racist and normally is racism. nobody's been racist, not only since one thousand seven hundred and seventy six, but since one thousand six hundred and nineteen, this is the New York times- does infamous six thousand and nineteen project. So the D. Innovation of America narrative is now put on top of the George Floyd killing
and the basic move is. If you deny the narrative, you don't care about George Floyd, so this is what intimidates people on our side. It intimidates past resident intimidates republican politicians. They feel they have to genuflect before this narrative or else they'll be accused of being racist. That's right! Now this narrative has been concocted and manufactured by progressives over the past century and I've been in the past. They had to debate it now they don't debated they just draw maiden to young people, and these young people don't know. The counter narrative now outside is actually pretty good at putting the the counter fact saying things like well: the majority of people killed by cops or action, white, but but a fact doesn't dispute a narrative, because a narrative is actually an interpretation of a wide body of facts and it's really important for our side to generate counter narratives that test the other story of America that young people are not being subjected to
this is where our universities of completely broken down, because if you really believe the narrative, let's say you really believe this country is races to its core, its built on oppression. Its work there's been generated about oppression, then throwing them all Twelve cocktail into a police greasing is in fact logical, because you're gonna do whatever you can by any means necessary to take down this monster. That's actually very interesting and I want talk about that and I just want to bring up people are watching this. If you don't, we call this incident molotov com, tell, was thrown into a police car in New York City and the two people actually arrested, that through the molotov cocktails and both of them were recently advocates of Yale and Printing university and why you long Yale and print university in their undergrad, and I mean these were remarkable students. Immigrants One was asian. Indian was yet with asian Indian, which end, and then I just
about my head about this. They worked at a top tier law, school atop, your law firm, and I could not write my head around, what would possess these people coming to this to this land doing phenomenally? You know that they there of their peers, were shocked. They were caught and throwing them. this into a police and ruining their entire. Now, I'm going to have to face up for attempted murder. So this is the thing that, ironically, if those same people had gone to a community college or a working class university, they would not have felt that way. So it's not baron article or strange that they got this ideology, de in the Ivy League or in the top right? You know it because the top rang universities are the most radical where this ideology is the least contested. So it's actually in a way predictable. and normal that we have trained many of our best students to be the most subversive them, but the more the most.
Vehement and rejecting american principles. Now, for me as an immigrant, and come to America, the age of seventeen when I got to college, it was very strange to me that, people saw american history in terms of sort of three brief episodes. There was a founding which has seen a sort of a racist act. Then there was a civil war which is seen as a very partial and imperfect attempt to correct the founding, and then we jump forward the civil rights movement and that's pretty much american history. That's it and I said to my This is actually not what interests me at all, because you're talking about the extension of american Prosperity and american rights to previously excluded groups, but I'm interested in how that prosperity and those rights came about in the first place. In other words, how does a country go from being a backward country third World Country America in about eighteen. Ten, today becoming the richest country in the world in about fifty years. How is it the case that sixty percent of all the important invention
in the world have occurred in this country and no other it almost makes other countries seem stupid. So, America become responsible, not just for this or that invention, but the invention of invention who did those things, and I realized that that that, even even in the eighties academia was dead, silent on this question and only later, I realized that progressive has done a lot to cover up this question, because in order to focus the distribution problem? We have to hide how the wealth is created in the first place, and they also have to hide their own history, and I'm glad you bought up the fact that these are all of these bad ideas. They ideas. They come from these top tier universities. Every bad idea. Postmodernism came through yelling firstly, the idea of eugenics, ISM, Yell University, again Madison Grand who wrote the passing of the great race, which was wildly popular during the progressive era. He was a yell university graduates, eugenics that was that was be no Harvard. Thought that there was something fundamentally wrong with the immigrants that were coming from Eastern Eastern Europe and and
universities, never ever ever have to fill up for what they ve done. They just continue to pollute and put out bad ideas and there's never many accounting and right now the bad idea that they are obsessed with that they ripetta waiting right now. Beyond the racial narrative, beyond the generator discretion. Narrative is socialism. I wish we, more time. I think every single person needs to go out and get this book the United States of socialism by Danesh Souza. You need to understand everything about socialism, that you can actually teach people who know nothing and think that they're fighting for something that's going to be good to Nerera up every episode by allowing you to leave a two, in its face message with the world, so you're going to say what you hopefuls on their ears. Tell me something about your book there's so much that we can get into. Are you ready? Yes, I'm ready on your mark. It gets world? I give you, Mr Denessa, so the left will defend socialism today by saying its democratic socialism
They say that their extending the same democracy, that we have in the political sphere into the economic sphere, and the point I want to make is that capital, The more free markets are actually far more democratic than socialism, even democratic socialism. Now, why is that? Well, in politics, we vote every two years, maybe every four years? Sometimes if it's not raining so it's very indirect form of democracy and we don't decide things for ourselves. We vote for other people represent if they decide for us now. You citizen and you vote, but you also a consumer but as a consumer are you vote in the market every day you vote constantly regularly and while it costs you nothing to voting in when you cast a ballot, your putting with your hard earned dollars in the market and the point I want to make
because in that sense, free markets are far more accountable to popular will popular consent that anything in the political system. So we don't need to extend them, ray from the political, the B a why, because we already have it. Capitalism is a fool, arm of social justice do often we d capitalism by pointing merely to its efficiency, but we need also to defend its morality. That's that's the key argument. I make an United States of socialism and also can we have a movie coming later called Trump card that takes this sort of backbone of the book. Convert Do an emotional inspiring narrative that's coming later, I will make sure you guys go get the United States of Socialism NASH. Thank you, sir.
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