Why are leftists siding with radical Islamic regimes? Zuhdi Jasser, president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, discusses why leftism and Islamism are a natural alliance paired to dismantle American democracy.
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So I'm just a mic today: up cool alright, so I'm gonna do a soft open I'll introduce on we just get talking: okay, okay, okay, ladies and gentlemen, we are rolling into another episode of the Candice Owens Show is because more and more apparent to me that people in the West know very little about anything that goes on in the east. chicken early American seem to know very little about what goes on in the world outside of the United States. We saw this best demonstrated when general.
As such, so they money of IRAN was slaughtered in a military operation and many people in the west. That's a lot of sympathy for the state of IRAN are the same. People that stand on the platform of women's rights is an interesting thing, and it made me want to have an episode to further discuss a lot of the dynamic that are going on, particularly in the Middle EAST. Here today I have president of the American Islamic form of democracy, and the co founder muslim reform movement. Zoodi Jasser, welcome to the Candice Ellen, show it's great to be with the Candice at the beginning: yeah, okay, so Zoodi and I met crazy set of circumstances. But he and I met on a fishing trip in british
Colombia and it was a select group of people. We were out their fishing and we got to talk about a lot of the work that he was doing, particularly on the Muslim Reform Movement, and I thought that you are doing incredible work and I want to make sure that we give a platform to all the stuff that you're doing really your life's work and it starts with I'll. Tell you up here, your parents, your parents were Syrian refugees in the sixties is correct. Yeah, my family escaped Syria in the MID sixties, the basis which is sort of the Nazi Party of very seriously the Airbus. If you will took over nineteen sixty three, my grandfather, Rosati gesture was a business man and an editor owner of a major newspaper in Syria and after the French pulled out in nineteen, forty, eight Syria had twenty different coups. Initially they try to have democracy, parliamentary government and the it just in work, because they had really no institution snow, civil
society and it fell apart, because the people didn't have a second amendment and have a first amendment and ultimately, the Assad Assad Party. The Bates took over in sixty three as took over in seventy, the father did. Syria, has been basically the North Korea of the Middle EAST since then, interesting. I'm gonna stop you there, because you know if I was a leftist today, I would say it was right for for french to leave. It was right for French to pull out because those are the evil white man colonizers, but you're, saying that your parents, Friends were able to live better when the evil white man colonizers were in Syria. Is that what you're telling me? Well? That's all I mean if you look the educational system and serious French and my Father There was an anglo file that his undergrad, their work in London and when they decided that they could not democratize, Syria, he ultimately wanted to come to America, he didn't choose a european country by the way, because the concept of a Erica being an idea embracing emigrants giving individuals the right
Freedom and liberating everybody having an american dream was something he real like even in Europe they didn't have. But having said that, the era did bring some ideas of freedom and liberty, but also stagnated some things they were unable to grab hold of their, on societies if you will and a sort of entrenched some of the inability to reform which the Ottomans, I think, destroyed for four hundred years before that, so we're seeing. Right now play out in the Middle EAST a lot of the pathologies of hundreds of years of historical stagnation, one era maybe help some of that modernize, but to this day the two thousand and eleven and the revolution that happened with the arab awakening? Were the first sign? I wish grandfather and father were alive to see what happened in the last eight years. Yes, Syria has been
damage by revolution and and half the populations displaced. But I have to tell you that there's two things I've learned one is that they can live to be free. They can fight against the governments that take away their rights to individuality and freedom, but to is the only country that and do the work that we need done for reform and against tyranny is in America. So ass, there might only be four million Muslims in America. The left tries to use us for whatever purpose they have, but the work that we have to do here. You just can't do in the Middle EAST because they can't build institutions and they can't reform and fight the Theo Rats and the dictators and all these things that we have to modernize just can't be done in the Middle EAST, because the half life is so short, the radicals B, the sheer or the Sunday radicals, the Muslim Brotherhood or the menace of IRAN are going to savage everything and prevent real reform from happening so go
to your parents. Were they married in Syria? Yes, married in Syria escaped and to be a route for a year until they waited for the ability to come to America. How did they escape? How did they escape they escaped. My father was a graduate from medical school. So he was waiting to get accepted into a medical program internship here in America. He got accepted to one in Ohio, but even when he God here he had to talk to his congressmen about getting in political asylum. In Ohio, and we waited three months. I was born a few months after they got here. So I was, Registered and civic awaiting of there will have to go back and Dammit Leah. They got political asylum from their congressmen and they can't in Ohio area where I was born. Ok, no, why did they seek political asylum because my Father, my grandfather was in and out of house arrest. He was because of his newspaper and work with free press for democracy was Persona non Grata in and out of prison. My father also, J graduated refused to serve in the military, while
I see America as and our military as the most moral fighting force in the world. I will tell you that in the Middle EAST militaries, especially the syrian military, is one of the most evil fighting forces in the world, so he refused to fight for a corrupt, fascist military. That's one of the reasons I decided. I had to join the Eu S Navy, because I can tell you: there are a lot of countries that might have constitutions that look like ours, but without our sons and daughters fighting to protect our freedoms, it's a meaningless piece of paper and and that's one of the reasons- grew up in Wisconsin and I wanted to go to medical school, but I also wanted to serve my country, so the health professional scholarship program gave me the freedom to do both, which is the taxpayers pay for my education, and then I served for eleven years. That's incredible, say your father declines to fight for his country, because he realizes that this is not an environment that he wants to support. He doesn't want to support a fascist regime and then just one
general generation later he has a son who signs up to to fight for America, which is incredible. So what what mean, when you said Persano, non grata. What implication there is. I can just like. Like you know, we don't really like you right re, because you, you didn't didn't viper this country or your writing, a newspaper that against what we believe to be true. But it's much more severe to be a person. a non grata, I'm in the Middle eastern countries I just want to talk about that. I'm gonna bet it's an open air prison Candice. It is a regime. At one out of nine people in society are part of the Mahabharata, which is the intelligence services, whether it's so damn Hussein's bath or Assad's bath party. It is a party that takes control of every business, so socialism is, is not even a question. All companies are owned by the government. Anyone with any means in Syria is working for the government if you have any significant income. The police, the military, the intelligence services are all
Basically, you either hand them your income, like the like. The mafia asked for or you will not exist within a week brothers report on brothers, siblings report on others. People are tortured if they don't report what's happening and in two thousand and eleven for the first time in sixty years the people started to reject that and have mass demonstrations down the street children in schools. Just to tell you the horror, little elementary schools Assad's military people would go into a grade school of fourth graders and ask do your parents joke about me? Do your parents criticize me and if the fourth grader would say yes, the police would show up at the parents house and torture his parents. because kids don't why. So. This is the type of society that Syrians wanted to change, and my father embraced Americanism and loyalty to America immediately on stepping off the airplane when he got here because he real,
syrian nationalism was a failure that it became a fascist no different than german. Now and became a failure under Hitler and became an evil ideology in nationalism under Assad and his son has been an evil ideology eating Your mother is still live as a crack. Yes, she lived Neurosis Scottsdale. What is like for you mother and just you, because you're obviously tethered to the reality of what your parents lived through to come to society on that you recognize is offered you all of these freedom that you fought to stay here and obviously your father applying for political asylum. You starting this country to hear the right track. That's become mainstream today of people that live within this country. I'm are forging all of these privileges to describe this country as an evil, fascist state, that's living under an evil regime was I'm I'm always I'm always floored by the ability of people who have lived through nothing too so easily use that rhetoric. I can't tell you how how painful it is
I see, people like Ilhan Omar, who supposedly represents Muslims in America, describe Americans soldiers in Somalia, where I served my my colleagues, my military. Colleagues, I was off the shore Mogadishu. Ninety three in operation restore hope as a doctor on a ship, and we were there taking food trying to help our resolve. The famine there, and yet she tweets in response to El Franklin two years ago saying that Eric and military were the biggest terrorists in Somalia and early nineties when she was only nine or ten years old, the horrible Lou from care and a lot of the left. This will say that oh american military, similar to ISIS I mean that is just craziness and it is. It is a disrespect for our military? It is a hate for the country that they live in, and I have to tell you, I, I believe, it's intentional there so ethnocentrically focused focused on american political divides. They will do and say anything to advance their leftist causes. So you see them
take the side of Maduro against freedom. You see them take the side of Romania's against those in the streets, the women in the street that should share their ideas? They take the side of the government because it has political expediency. Here on the left and and yet on the one hand they say, sanction kill in IRAN when, in fact, every Iranian will tell you that what making the Iranians free today is the strangulation on the power. The maximum pressure policy against the regime. There all those same us. Those same is of Ilhan Omar and Rashida. Plague will take the side of bds to strangulate. The old free democracy in the Middle EAST, Israel and say that they want sanctions against a democratic government a moral military like the israeli defence force, they'll call them. Evil
and yet IRAN they don't wanna do sanctions. So it's just everything's upside down and no one holds them accountable and you said political expediency, and I struggle with this because I wonder: do they do it for political expediency or do they actually believe what they say? I don't know right, I'm just asking the question: do they actually believe it? right or or or do they just dumb say it can as it gets them. It gets them boats and it gets them retreats and it gets them. I can't I can't decide heads Israel, and the reason I tell you it's both. I hear a lot of my colleagues and the anti jihadist movement talking about the Red Green Alliance. My grandfather in the sixties talked about Green is one of the reason my family is so pro American is because they started being very. Very anti com The Soviets, the Sixtys and Seventys, destroyed Syria? Still today, as such be long gone, had it not been for Russia and Putin and his KGB friends and others. So, at the end of the day
the Red Green Alliance has existed for a long time. What is that? It's? The alliance between the Socialist globally socialist communist, the far left and the greens Islamist the theocrats of humans in the Brotherhood and Islamic re. games of the oh. I see all over the planet. That alliance works together with common enemies, so their collectivist, the socialists, are economic collectivist who want to confiscate red dollar you make and the is, are religious identity, collectivist who want to confiscate your personal relationship with God. He sang it too a alliance, it's a natural alliance. Until they get ready to take power, then it's not and then they get it, and then they go to war, which is what you saw on Syria between the Islam Assembly and the arrow of a side, which is what you saw Iraq between Saddam Hussein and the Islam, is of the humane is of of the She extremists etc. So until their almost ready to take power, they work together. Great, let me have some things you, I ain't your proud Muslim, very
part of your faith and you're also unapologetically pro Israel and some people go whoa. How does that happen because we see usually the narrative especially when we're talking about the Middle EAST. It seems that all of the blame they always want to blame Israel, no matter. What is the strangest thing? I don't think it happen it cou. It could not rain for three days and it's you know: it's curse. Israel, the Israel state, the IDF They brought about all of this. Where does that stem from and in how have you been able to separate yourself from that? That narrative- and I say narrative because you ve been clear that this is not the way actually the majority of of Muslims in the West Feel, but because we have people that are in power that are using their their voice. To put this narrative out there, become worse and it's become uglier. So the core of what I'm doing at the American Islamic Forum, since we formed in two thousand and three is to speak truth to power and the power- Our community are the Islamists establishment, those who believe that we should somehow believe in their interpretation of Islam and their their attempt to attack free speech to attack women's rights, individual rights,
the lady to criticise them so top on the list of their power structure is their anti semitism their demonization of the other and their as always with the the jewish community. The being scapegoats and if you look global Islam is, will use the jewish community to create an end row up and well up if you will anti Semitism anti semitic fervour and our community and Israel is a constant target of that. Now. There's a term I refuse to use, which is Islamophobia, which is a term that the Islam is cocted to prevent criticism of Islam and when, in fact, yes, there might be some bigotry that exists against Muslims, and we can talk about that. If you want but the bottom line, is they concocted the term Islamophobia to try to prevent criticism of Islam and yet they suffer from what I think the is due of Israel, a phobia which is never hear that term absolute
and that's a term really that they should talk about, which is they say all we love Jews, but yet we we don't like Israel and yet Bds is not just a movement of an opinion. Media is that a movement to economically destroy the entire state of Israel. So I will tell you: I've testified to Congress a couple times on Anti Semitism. I think Anti Semitism globally is driven by most of the is muslim majority gum. Myths and their ideas and, ultimately speaking, truth to power. There is no doubt that I visited Israel twice and both times, and especially in visiting, Yad Vashem, I see that they have exhibits of Muslims who were the righteous Muslims that defends protected Jews during the Holocaust. I wish that was the primary narrative of Muslims during World war. Two, but the bottom line into the multi out of Jerusalem of Jerusalem was a nazi collaborator. There were,
out of issues of islamic global supremacy. Isn't that worked with the enemies of Jews globally, but yet there were muslim patriot that were pro western pro Israel produce that were the sight of righteousness- and I think this is this- the narrative that I dont think you can defeat political Islam without first defeating its anti Semitism, because it is a as we talk about disease It is a path pathognomonic and medicine. We talk about pathognomonic signs, which is key clinic key clinical sign. Antisemitism is a key clinical sign of Islam, assent its intolerance, you see in the women's movement leaders of Linda Sarsour and her balloon and others that were kicked out because all their so
Anti semitic? How did they not note that, but isn't in is? Is it not incorrectly firm wrongs? I could be wrong way. Vaguely remember reading some months ago that it's actually in is islamic text like in the Koran that it's it's. It is vaguely anti semitic as or anything about jewish people in the Koran. Absolutely my book about for the soul of Islam as a whole chapter about the reinterpretation passages that, if you look at the saudi primary, the dominant interpretation, the most common passage he s a muslim seventeen times a day. Is the opening fatty the opening prey of the Koran we say at seventeen times it in our five prayers, the Saudi interpretation that to the hundreds of millions of books around the world, takes that and says where we say: follow the path of God those have gone astray, et Cetera Et Cetera the Saudis put in parentheses, not those have gone straight, then they put in parentheses. They add like the June
okay and then in chapter five. There's there's in chapter five, a number of passages. I talked about battles against Ben Aquaria and other jewish jewish tribes. So what do we do that we have to embrace a modern interpretation that says you know what that might have applied to the seventh century or about happening at that time in six twenty three ce, but it doesn't apply anymore that if, if Mohammed was live today, not what he would do in the sixth century, her seventh. But what would he do if he were alive today, I believe in our reform movement. We talk about the fact of Mohammed was alive today he embrace, a democratic Israel. He would embrace american ideals and reject the islamic state as a concept reject jihadi as a military concept? So I'm sure people their heads are exporting, say: oh, my God,
Can you do that granted? This is a minority opinion in our faith community, as you're saying rewrite the book right. So it's like. If you came to Christians and said well, you got to just do away and rewrite it. They would say: that's not reform what you're actually introducing is almost a new religion. It's a different! So let me- Disagree with one thing is that yes were were rewriting the interpretations, but the arabic script. We believe, I believe, as in many ways, orthodox isn't orthodoxy. Muslim that I would not alter even a comma to it, but if it says, for example, cut the hands of those who steel, I wouldn't change that I suggest the Saudi sever the hands and our draconian. in their laws, but I would say: sever can mean the motto society put them in prison, so you can do things that are metaphorical adherence to the script, but yet not change the script and just modernize its interpretation, it says, for example, you may Mary more than one wife, I'm not
I've never Muslim personally married to more than one. Why? So? What do they? Do? That passage, you just say: hey. You know, I ignore it. I'm not gonna rip it out, but I'm gonna say just doesn't apply today and we don't apply it because he can't it shouldn't be applied, but that's interesting, because I mean, if I'm, if you're gonna modernize aid, if you're gonna say we're not going to play that we don't believe in this or what we're taking apart this or that. Wouldn't you think that that would then result into just a conversion away from Muslim altogether, because you don't agree with the core tenants of what you know. The original script said and I know you did Know- that it's a minority, what you doing is minority movement right, and so it is. It is reformed like a reformed. Is the right word right? It's a total total reformation right, but I just don't see. I don't know if it if you would, if it is realistic to expect at the hundreds of millions of people that are holding a text that says you know, anti jewish rhetoric or is taking it and says take a bunch of lives. Are they going to get behind this? Is that a realistic approach to to trying to combat this problem? What do you think? Well, I think if you had a tooth
doesn't ten said that there were gonna, be twenty million people in the streets of Cairo fighting their government you would have said no way, that's impossible that I can fight against the military regime. in Syria, IRAN or elsewhere, but their due their waking up. So if you look at their some recent studies that showed that it takes ten percent of the population to have a significant movement to begin to change the other ninety percent. So I think, if you look in Tunisia, for example, it really took ten percent of the population to begin to finally put the governments. on its heels and make the economy come to a standstill. The tea party, woman of the conservative movement back in two thousand ten. It really was ten percent of the conservatives that to the streets and then later became more. That's it. We're gonna, take back and now with the Trump movement against the establishment. How many activists did it take? Most studies have shown it takes five to ten percent sort of the tipping point and I think with reform. If we start, if you look at yes, the the cares of the World Council in American US
MIKE Relations, islamic side, North America, the Muslim Brotherhood, legacy groups on the sunny side and the whole meanest legacy groups on the she side still to They they might be able to fill a hall with fifty sixty thousand people, but they still basically a fifty two hundred Lee There's that you might be able to see on tv from day to day, if we get that Saint Platt forming as the opportunity me here today, with many of the people are more some reform movement, which is part of what we're and to do in this assembly a future muscle leaders of America once we start getting this. I think you'll see that the silent majority will eventually wake up. If you look at it, I mean to look at you, can look at human history and determine that I mean the entire battle between the Catholics and the Protestants. Just you know started
by one man in Germany, Martin Luther who stable this thesis and and said all these things about what was wrong with, though, with the catholic church rate and then it launched it spread like wildfire, was the most pro printed tax at that time, and suddenly you had an actual protestant reformation, but it didn't happen without bloodshed and when we come soon becomes too, religion in particular and always gets bloody and that that that has been true in terms and in terms of world history didn't come without bloodshed. You know, people were we're, not okay to just say, dismiss the church we at their kings and queens in England that were just them, live at the stake right, I'm so glad you brought that up, because what we're trying to do is disruption. If you look at whether its trumps campaign or what happening in the Middle EAST, we look at the Middle EAST and we say oh my gosh. We have to have it quiet down and have peace. Now I mean, if you look at the syrian people. Yes, they ve been suffering through a genocide from to severe extremes of the Assad regime and ISIS, but that the bottom line,
They feel alive for the first time in over sixty years of tyranny, because they're beginning to stand for what they believe in Yes, they ve lost the civil war. The Iranian are Lou, but yet now they're on the verge of defeating the home maintenance for the first time, thanks to Trump's policies and the Trump administration on Pompeo's policies. For the first time in decades, there's been large changes happening. So you know, I will tell you that what you're saying, if we're going to have changed, I think it has to start in America, and we need to hold Muslims accountable with a tough love to not just sort of use them as potted plants of the identity group. That oh? What is the Muslim think? So, let's get him up and in answer to say, or we protect you, we don't hurt you here in Amerika, Dewey Anne and ignore the fact that they have opportunities to re interpret text that they just can't do in the Middle EAST and that they should be able to platform here an american begin to spread those ideas.
And challenge a thinking. Let me tell you one anecdote in my mosque in Scottsdale in two thousand and fourteen, we were at the holiday prayer for Ramadan and the mom stood up and started to talk about how we have enemies in our own community, homophobes and and bigots that call themselves Muslims that speak against us on Fox NEWS and know. There's a doctor that does so and my family's with with me at sermon, sermon a thousand people from our community in this, and he said We're going off, didn't, say my name but took me on at the mosque, and you know, after all That was recording the sermon we posted it, and we said this is what happens and he was upset because it was in July two thousand fourteen when Mass was sending in rockets, and I was doing a lot of media saying that Hamas, the warmongers Hamas, the terrorists and Israel, has to defend itself, so he was very upset as a defender of palestinian rights. So you know, I think it shows when you push
back and you expose what they do inside our mosque. Yes, many people thank the imam for speaking out against the enemy within us, Zuni gesture, but all so many many others came up to me and said. Thank you for doing the work you do. I am glad we have a voice, I'm glad it's not me. Right. I'm just glad it's not me. So let me ask you a question about jihad. How serious of a problem is it? What is the natural course for somebody who just turned into a jihadist over their lifetime like what is the? What is the upbringing? How has this become such a threat? So you know I'll tell you when I grew up in Wisconsin there were three other muslim families and I my family built a small mass, the first one in northeastern Wisconsin, and I learned my scripture, but I didn't really understand what political Islam was until I went to the University of Wisconsin and met some of the Muslim Student Association kids
and realized. Oh my god! This is a political movement and I was talking to my mom and then like what I thought: Islam as a personal faith with God. What have they done? about all this anti Israel, Anti semitic, stuff and Muslim Brotherhood, ideas and slowly I quickly began two avidly read about has banana. The Muslim Brotherhood, etc. And then I realized that intertwined to our entire faith. Identity is the concept of an islamic state And with an islamic state comes in islamic military so I realise that an underground I said- oh, my God I would never want to serve in an islamic military. I want to serve in the american military. The only thing I would die for is our constitution. Is our government Is the? U S government, I would never want to die for Islam. That's gods, faith and I believe in it, but he doesn't want to give my life for my faith. Yes, I want government under God, but not under Islam or under crochet.
I wondered under a constitution under God, so G Hod. Is you will never defeat. Jihad. Yes, we've defeated ISIS, we've defeated Al Qaeda, but it'll keep coming back up until Muslims defeat the islamic state, because the islamic State the oxygen for jihad. Let's look at Erdowan one in Turkey, Turkey, supposedly a democracy. It's part of NATO. I think that should I think they have no business being in NATO with Erdowan and his islamist running that government. But to tell me that when when the when the turkish military just a few months ago, went into Syria. They were posting video of how they went on jihadi into Syria, the turkish military. This wasn't here twenty thirty years ago, under the previous president of Turkey, but now with Islam is the Muslim Brotherhood of Turkey. They fight wars based on not their state nationalism, but bay
a global ascendancy of islamic dominance of islamic supremacy is so yes, there's a lot of ideas. And discussions of jihad in the Koran. A lot of discuss and of jihad in the history of the prophet and what we have to do. But I also have friends close friends whose first name is jihad. That doesn't mean that their mom wanted. The name them holy war. It is It is a word: that's used in very many different areas in Islam and and in the arabic community. So what we have to do. Say, you know what once the Islam, MC state is dead, just as Jefferson ended. The christian state right if the West can go from singing onward christian soldiers during the Crusades and now have they only the area of the world with democracies, which is an area that creative govern They have an establishment clause. We as Muslims. I think
in that same era. We still have not defeated that were one hundred and forty years old. We still are the sorta in the fifteen th sixteen th century of our faith, and we have to defeat this concept of onward muslim soldiers. So we might have defeated ISIS but you're not going to defeat Jihad militarily. It has to be done from within and the idea of wanting to fight for an islamic state has to end the is the fourth hood, for example, with neither Hassan
he didn't he wore an army uniform his bio looked frighteningly like mine, and yet he didn't want to die for America. He wanted to die for Islam and Ford you hard and that's how he defeat. Jihad is by fighting Muslims that can be leaders that want to die for America and wanted defeat. The concept of the islamic State and its military scrape bought up turkey in that's interesting. I guess I sometimes question: do you think that America has some questionable allegiance says there may be making the problem worse? and a lot of people wil question that what do you think about America's relationship with Saudi Arabia, but I think America's relationship with Turkey and I remain a bit agnostic on it, because sometimes you do have to understand the position of a leader where you do have to have allies. We have to together. Obviously, even if people have different perspectives in us, you can't force it upon the entire world. Do you think that there's that there is difficult to reconcile that so
it's hard to hard question very led. The way to do it is to first of all, President trumps Administration was handed an utter unmitigated disaster of IRAN, Ophelia in which everything we were doing was at the altar of the nuclear deal, and we just sort of we we approached everything that compromise. So we abandon the Saudis. We abandon Israel, we abandoned all the twentieth century relationships and then they put a billion dollars on a plane incentive to IRAN exactly ultimately handed them a hundred and fifty billion, but you're right cash palace was a billion, so President Trump had to he calibrate us back to the stability, and I use that word stability, because the Congolese awry set at best and two thousand five in Cairo. She said for too long in the Middle EAST, on our alliances we have compromised our principles of democracy for security and gotten either
we ve got neither security nor democracy because we're allying with the devil, but yet in the short term. So so yes, as deplore at this policy. Wouldn't work as a diplomat: you have to have short term alliances, but should be sitting at the table with terrorist like the Taliban and signing agreements. Absolutely not. The United States does not negotiate with terrorists. We should not get platforms should we pool our troops out of Afghanistan absolutely eighteen years, I've shifted my position and less for five years on this, but I think failures, failure. We have to admit it. We can't shine, you know what in Afghanistan the bottom line. Is that we have to leave their that's it's too tribal. It's too chaotic. It is not the role our sons and daughters to to build nations they to build their own, they have to want to be built up exactly so expression of their first world solutions to third world problems. Never really works exactly, and so what are we? Do the allies like Saudi Arabia, that.
live in a society that doesn't share any of our values. But yet we have to pretend to love. I think we have to approach our foreign policy, not as a bye, Mary equation, which is either we love them and hug them and take pictures holding world with them and then let them form, I mean to form a counter terror, some centre in Riad is like forming a anti cocaine centre in Colombia. It just doesn't make any sense, but I I understand. I understand why we're doing it but to save Thus, the Saudis are making a lot of progress. They have but embassies is sort of a mafia leader and he's doing it in a car, immoral, militant kind away. But the bottom line is he's put the Muslim Brotherhood with there same language on their heels, so I get it in the short term, we have our own values, which is why families like mine came to America, and I said in the military, with many people that came from tyrannies, Vietnam, China, Russia
that are serving in our military. Let's say you know what they understand that dramatic alliances, but at the end, the day right, the Saudi, the Saudis had two soldiers that committed an act of terror just a few months ago. I didn't get the memo from the Saudis that Jihad is against this country, but not against the United States. So that's what happened. when you dont reform, yet MBA might be reforming some things, but he's not really reforming the core. ideas until the imams at the mosques in MECCA and Jeda are starting to talk about the equality of women changing rules by letting them drive,
changing rules by letting them sit on a council. A little puny talent in southeastern Saudi Arabia doesn't change anything other than form window dressing to let the establishment in America feel better. So I think, ultimately, we have to have a long term plan, which is to work with reformers to work on the ground, because I can tell you if you look at what's happening to I wasn't eleven the government's days are numbered, be at the iranian regime. Saudi baby or whatever. I understand president trumps recalibration to sort of game of thrones that we had in the twentieth century, but the game of Thrones concept has to end. We have to either be with the people or with their oppressors, and I don't think we're were their oppressors. I just think we to have a very short term approach to sort of a game thrones the enemy of our enemies, our friend and sort of the you know we don't want Al Qaeda
or ISIS to take over Saudi Arabia, so we hope the royal family. That sort of I will tell you most times we learn that chaos disruption actually helps clean out systems helps bring up ultimate treatment of a chronic disease, which is political Islam right and talking about just did the imams overall and even experience at you hi I'm your at Europe mosque in there talking about you and saying that you're against them is the general perspective of these leaders their allegiance. The ones that are in America is their allegiance to our country, or would you say their allegiance is to something to the islamic state? Overall, I'm waiting, I know this is not there's always going to be exceptions to every rule. Well in my book, I talk about how what turned me on to this battle against Islam was what I was in my Navy uniform in nineteen ninety five and were highs, Who is any Mama Brooklyn, and still
on the Board of Advisory, of many of the islamist organizations still pals. I would Linda Sir Sore Ellen Omar raises money for major muslim organizations and ninety ninety five beheld up the corn and said: are you against abortion? If your against abortion, you should be against maybe killer in the White House and the way we fix the evil in this country is by changing the constitution and putting in the Koran as the Constitution because we as good Muslims and then he goes on to say I got light headed, and I talk of my book about how what I did. I went to the podium where they gave us opportunities to talk about what we had this bizarre with forty thousand, slums there and, in my uniform I said, listen among leave what you guys just did was sedition and you're free to disagree with policy, but your position of being against the constitution in general is not only abhorrent and- and I will fight with every breath in my body, but you should be ashamed of Yourself-
and this is sedition, so that was in ninety five. This guy is still going around talking about how America is evil and and all of these ideas, which are on american and Anti American, so at their core, the MC leadership, not all of them, but the vast majority of them do not believe in american systems and western systems. They don't believe in our constitution. They don't tell their kids to want to serve or if they do it's more as an insurgency. right and and when they do believe in the system, Candice. What they do is tell them. Ok, we at the laws as a minority, and then they go to Egypt and the majority there, you should set up an islamic system which is majority ocracy, so in essence, there saying will, as a minority were, not anarchists will accept the laws of the land, but when-
majority, will flip it and take over that's right and I think that's kind of what has me a bit fearful, because I pay attention to that and it does seem to be that they, their ultimate ultimate goal, is insurgency like to inspire people to say there needs to be the sort of uprising. and you know ion here, Sile wrote an incredible piece in the Washington, not the Washington Post. It was a Wall Street journal yeah years ago when she talked about an issue that hit home for me, because I saw a very strange thing happening: I'm not calling an epidemic, but there were just a lot of black people that were converting to Islam and that's very, very atypical. Black people are naturally christian in black. Americans are our christian arms. We are looking at this issue. I was speaking to my uber driver dry were at the time when I was having I off in ongoing. Why are there so many black Muslims here, which is totally bizarre, and he looked at me so yeah? I was muslim too, and I was like, when you mean you were Muslims alike, were converted back to Christianity, and I said what made you convert Islam and he said I serve time in prison,
any moms go there and and they basically because you're in this horribly vulnerable place. You know you're a young kid do something stupid you going to be in prison, you're scared, there's a muslim brotherhood, that's being institutionalized in the prison system and a majority of the black people that are signing up and saying. Okay, I'm going to convert I'm going to convert to Islam. the basis of their principles there there converting situationally of of like I have these people are going to going to protect me, so I'm going to be a Muslim right now and majority them actually dont convert back also, though, They they get out of prison, and now they are converted to the Muslim Brotherhood, no very little. She hadn't even read the Quran or anything right, so that sort of institutionalization of, I would say back, faith. I guess she would say which I don't want to say bad faith Muslims. But do you know what I mean? What is a better way for me to say that, like all sort of just there they're just sort of it's almost like, they feel like they're doing again
rather than a real is again right out and I'll. Tell you entelechy the Anti Semitism that you're seeing pop up and in like New York, Philadelphia there always an inner cities are located very close to present. I've noticed that in and no one's been talking about that, and I said people to go back and look as ions peace was entitled like agent, the jihadism in in prison again she litter than she spelled out about how it was innocent years ago. No one paid to it now we're sort of seeing this the seats harvest. Now I think a bit and I've written about this seven eight years ago. In counterterrorism. using about what is the prison problem for the muslim population. Why do cells actually form prison, and then we saw in New York a couple cases and others they leave prison and then become a cell. Why are they being radicalized there? Well, you have this clinic of radicalization and how it happens, which is related to the imams yeah,
the imams in the prisons and people say, will sooty who would you have as he mobs? Unlike our reform movement is not ready to heavy moms populate the prisons. You need to just stop having all of these imams. They need to be vetted, because if you listen to some of the sermons under cover that had been taped and release, you will hear them calling for jihadi you'll, hear them calling for collectivist militancy, and this is not a peaceful sort of spiritual journey- the prison are making to God. Many of them joined the guys that it's a we're going to give them faith and we're going to restore them and they're gonna, be better people in reality, they're converting people exactly radical forms of radical Islam and the outreach the folks that the prison the Bureau of Prisons reaches out,
to reach out to in many of these states is just the wrong communities and that should sort of tell Americans why you know the most common question I get his will, what we and others a muslim problem. Yes, it needs a muslim solution, but why should I care there's only four million Muslims in America I'll say: listen, you ve got people, that are going hook, line and sinker into jihadi syndrome, jihadi cool and prison and online and elsewhere, and right now, look at the hysteria happening with a virus right, which is left hysteria on the virus and yet what happens with TAT are, they dont want they want to ignore it. The bottom line. People have died from and yet that's a viral. That's a viral pathogenic type thing that spreads into mines and yet the ignore it when an incubates in prisons, they ignore it when it incubates and mosques, they ignore it when it incubates in universities. So at one point, are they going to wake up to the fact that
a were missing an opportunity in the laboratory of freedom to operationalize some mechanisms of figuring out how to counter radicalization, the prisons will be a great place to put into operation reform movement. Ideas to see, can you have Muslims in a prison, become more moderate, more spiritual and actually become embarrassed. It is for change almost like you would rehab drug addicts and others and yet were seeing. Look in London, the last committed. A London bridge was a prisoner where a tag who was going to teach counter radicalism right and, as he's going to teach, you killed two of his colleagues with a knife because he wasn't radicalized. He was radicalized pretending to be people. People are about it, and I mean if it when eighty three percent of all converts in prison are converting to Islam and I'm what really woke me up to it with a black him in the and deeply faithful christian community, I'm to be converting at those rates, and it made me just intrusted to take a look at that and then
so. I discovered I on here Sally's article and I just said, wow no one's talking about this and people don't want to talk about it because it is operating under the guise of getting people of religious freedom right of giving people structure or giving people something to look forward to, and it's something that's much uglier much more. handsome things at the things that we are now seeing in society and going woe. How did we get here? How is this happening and light? Because you got it and I will tell you one of the other obstacles in the african American communities loose Ferko is that his name of Islam. The sky is a rabid, bigot, a rabid, fascist, Anti Semite, who spews some of the most hateful vitriol and yet twitter Facebook platform. His hate will not remove him from those platforms, and yet his ideas are separated by definition, nation of Islam as a separatist movement, and yet you see the relationships he has
the liberation theology, folks and others of in the non muslim community. And you find that that synergy. It creates an obstacle, that's almost impossible to break through for those of us who want to reform. Now. There are some reformers that we're working with that in the african American Community and Quilliam Foundation in Washington Mohammed. The Ahima is working with us closely, so there are folks, beginning to work and reform and arm reform movement against hat right. It's something that I'm definitely interested in, because obviously I'm always talking about Black America and all of the ways that we need to perform, because we tend to get used by various different groups to promote their causes and because it's easier, if they can't, if they can transform horrible ideology and give it to the black community, because black community is always considered the number one victim in american
people pay less attention to it right and that's the danger- and it's not just with like radical Islam in the prison. It's any bad idea. If we can get the black community to accept it. First right, then, it'll it'll be able to operate under the radar for a long time before people realize how bad and how dangerous it's getting I'll wrap. This by saying, I think you do amazing work you're on we'll see brilliant. I think you have an uphill climb ahead of you. And it starts with trying to get people to say throughout the textbook- is going to be harder, not not the textbook textbook, but ignore things the textbook versus, if, if you were just like is the whole new. You know we're doing this from scratch, and this is called you know the muslim reform. Movement and innocent is we're, have have a whole new textbook. I almost think of that would almost be easier, go back and start over well, at the end of the day, you know I'm a physician by by practice. I love my my patience. I love my family. I love my country and I do really feel Candice that those values come from. God come from my creator
from my faith, so I would not be taking on this battle if I didn't have a deep, deep love and a personal relationship with God. Nor do I believe that Muslims have the only
I swear to God absolutely not that's part of our reform, as is doing away with his exclusivity, but for me, and for millions of Muslims that our Anti jihad that our pro universal declaration of Human rights per equality, we love our faith. We believe that Islam, yes, it mean submission, but it can also mean personal submission to God and a belief in serving our country belief in defending everyone's right to agree to hate our faith to speak out against it. So we have to do those things, but I will tell you that the greatest assets for America in this battle are going to be God, fearing Muslims, because, yes, I think people from outside the faith or maybe on the periphery of the faith can can point out the problems and the illnesses. But if you're really going to treat the disease
you have to do it with tough love from inside the nucleus, which is what we're trying to do, and I totally agree with you as someone that's trying to do the same thing for Black America. It does have to come from within and it can't really come from the outside all right. Well, America. I have failed to convert him to Christianity, but we are going to do Do the end of his episode, as we always do two minutes for gonna. Have you look into this camera and leave a face message for the world? If your message could fall in the ears of every single person are what would it be on your market set world? I give you doctor, Sooty Jasper, so many Masood address or- and I think for all of you that want a peaceful world, unwanted defeat, terrorism that one to live among the one in four people in the world that are muslim peacefully and not be afraid for your children. Are your children's children of the threat of radical Islam help me defeat theocratic Islamism, political Islam, just as the West went through the defeat of theocracy, so too can Islam go?
do the defeat a theocracy, if you're going to wait for Muslims to wake up on our own? It's not going to happen. If you want, if you believe that there's only a military solution, there isn't, it has to happen from within help join me. Build our american Islamic Forum for democracy, build institutions build civil society groups that can begin to take back the the platforms against the Ilhan Omar has the receipt of slaves and the radical Islamists that are Platt forming with the left against American our way of life. We have a programme that were building call the assembly of future muslim leaders of Amerika find and talked to Muslims in your community demand more of them and begin to work with us on Facebook on Twitter find me on twitter at Dr Zoodi Jasser,
and on our website at Aif Democracy Org, because together we can make America more secure, so our sons and daughters don't have to fight another war in Afghanistan, Iraq and to help keep us safe from here on God bless wow. That was good. That's a wrap! Thank you guys for watching the latest episode of the Candice Owens Show. I hope you guys enjoyed the conversation as much as I did. As many of you guys already know. Prager. U is a five hundred and one c three nonprofit organization, which means we need your help to keep all of our content free to the public. Please consider making a tax deductible donation today. I would really appreciate your support.
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