Texas has become the latest hot spot in the coronavirus pandemic, forcing its governor to pause the state’s reopening process after a surge of infections and hospitalizations. We speak with our Houston correspondent about the state’s dilemma. Guest: Manny Fernandez, The New York Times’s bureau chief in Houston. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily
Background reading:
- A growing number of state leaders are pausing plans to reopen as case counts rise. Among them is Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas, who did so reluctantly after facing mounting pressure in the Republican-controlled state.
- We analyzed travel patterns, hidden infections and genetic data to show how the epidemic has spun out of control in the United States.
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From the New York Times, I'm likeable Lara. This is a daily today, Texas
has become the latest hot spot in the pandemic, forcing its governor to pause the states we opening process
after a surge of infections and hospital assistance. My colleague many Fernandez on the states dilemma it's Friday June. Twenty sixth.
Many, what is the story of how taxes has handled the
and am again how it is. We got to this point so really there's a couple things to know about taxes, and that is that, historically, taxes has been mistrustful. Of
This is a state where the state legislature meets once every two years,
This is a state where most people who write a motorcycle don't have to wear a helmet and government doesn't necessarily forced them to wear out its.
Ideas it you're on your own. You wonder where a helmet go for you dumb and you get her well, ok, John, you, and especially you know, during the Obama years, this was happening where Texas Sue the government for overreach several times on several definition. So I now by Texas, attorneys at all Gregg Abbot brought since it s administration some thirty times, cracked. This is the very first losses that I brought against the Obama,
fresh having one more than half of them, but Martha. This may be the most serious one because, as the attorney general time had this famous line, where the attorney general
as you know, what my job is very simple,
in the morning I go to the office, I see the environment ministries and then I go have a president can get away with extended
powers to do things like this. There could be no constitutional limitation on what the present it could do. That is why, and so on, that sort of changes or looks a little bit different after Trump takes office.
Now the Republicans in Texas no longer have that big enemy and
They don't have
somebody to go after in their fight over limiting government overreach.
And so they identify a new enemy and that's the Democrats who led the major cities like San Antonio Austin, Houston,
and so this sort of war of words
and war of policy begins where the governor and the republican leadership,
taxes has come into the cities and said,
Antonio. We want you to cooperate more with the federal authorities on immigration. Austin, you have a homelessness crisis and we're gonna get involved
listen, you have some failing schools and we want to do a state take over of the public schools and used. So this
a strange contradiction. You're describing here where the Republicans who
one, the steed.
Say they want less government told the Obama administration they want. Let's go
But now in the era of tromp, they are interfering in the government of their local democratic cities. In a way that makes me feel like less govern its complete contrary
and that is the situation that happening as corona virus its taxes and, in fact,
The attorney general, who said how much she loved to sue Obama without it
Many general is now the governor Gray Abbot and he's the one who is responsible for the states response to the court of auditors.
So, given that very complicated stew that you have just described, how does text
under this Governor Gregg Abbot respond to the virus. What does his handling of this look?
Overall we have the governor making some contradictory moves, starting back in March,
Have the coroner virus spreading in the Pacific Northwest in the Northeast California,
the first stage to issue a stay at home order
York follows Ohio
and a lot of other states like Texas.
There is no similar move,
and a lot of these states, some of them in the south, don't kind of register the same sort of crisis happening in their own state.
And then, on March, twenty third pillar, Patrick, would take over Patrick agreed to join us tonight. We're happy that he did whatever thanks so much for coming. You have Damn Patrick who's. The lieutenant governor of Texas, his taxes, is second to me. I turned seventy.
Next week, you're out some automatically in the high risk, poor, Damn Patrick Goose on Fox NEWS, and
physically says, and you know Tucker no one reached out to me and said as a senior citizens. Are you willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange?
for keeping the America that all America loves for your children and grandchildren and if that's the exchange, I'm all
He and other grandparents are willing to die to reopen the economy.
We also have happening. Is the abbot around
as time is
no, he shutting schools he's prohibiting.
Visits to nursing homes he's
a lot of little things, but not doing that big important one, which is to issue a state wide stay at home.
And so meanwhile you have the local official
to run a lot of the big cities and counties in Texas, sane.
Ok, we're gonna, do this on our role and we're gonna enact local policies,
You have the mayors and the officials who run the counties did have she's in Austria in San Antonio, in El Paso, on doing different things too.
Try to control the virus. Some of them are issuing curfews
some of them are issuing local stay, homeworkers and added
This kind of letting all that path and
really get involved. I am all
modifying my previous executive or about social distancing protocols and texts, but then he does get involved issuing executive order, J fourteen that establishes already that maximizes them. The number love say, I'm establishing essential services and activities protocols. He dies eventually issue. I state wide stay at home, but he doesn't call it that this is not a stay home strategy. A state alms strategy would mean that you have to stay at home.
Cannot leave at home under any circumstances? That, obviously, is not we ve articulated here. This is a standard, and so
It took a lot of confusion among
not just politicians, but just Texans wondering the very basic question: okay, this Texas.
Stay wide, stay at home order or not and has ever clarify if he does clarifying by this is Governor Gregg Abbot with carbon nineteen spreading across Texas. I issued this executive order that requires all taxes to stay at home, except to provide essential services or do essential things like going to the grocery store. No, no. This is a great and its clear that that wise estate way steel and we will make it through this challenge together. Thank you, and God bless you all and the war between the blue
Duties in the red state comes up again because abbot after issuing the state wide stay at home order, basically later on, tells the cities in the counties. Ok, guys, my city orders supersede your local orders. You can't do anything, that's tougher than what I'm doing on current virus enter.
And it's sort of nullifies and sort of ties the hands of the local officials in doing their own local action,
virus. So after being very laissez faire and maybe classically Texas in hands off approach, this republican governor is now telling these cities and counties who acted in his place that his
aid actions now supersede their earlier solutions? Yes, exactly and there's a lot of confusion, but it has a real effect on people's lives because ass, I do
Well, it has to do with. Can you wear a mask when you're on public and San Antonio or not? You know the local say
Yes, I do have two abbot says no like
What is going on you know I get, has a very real world impact and selling them
There is the owner of Ceylon Alamode. She arrived here, defiantly opening the doors to her so long. Another thing happens where Adele Salon is not supposed to open. She does real Luther says she fully expect to get arrested today, but she says she has also filed a long standing in this
and she is sent to jail for reopen a member that she was arrested. We haven't disturbing story out of the great state of Texas tonight and tax us a lot
a salon owner. Her name is Shelly Luther and she becomes
a conservative celebrity she was given a seven day. Jail sentence, fine, seven thousand dollars all because she opened the doors to her business. In spite of all local lockdown orders, who was trying to sort of provide for her family by reopening by restarting the economy and she's punished and sent to jail for it, and the governor does something that again frustrates the local officials and fuels this war
We in the blue cities in the Red State, Texas, government, Gregg Abbot, has modified, whose orders to eliminate confinement as punishment effectively freeing Shelly Luther abbots is hold on guys.
On my statewide orders. You can't send someone to jail for a violin, because the uproar among conservative so loud and so fierce for that douse align owner. He had to backtrack.
So this is becoming a very high stakes: abbot, Anchor, Stella Kind of routine, where the governor,
is undercutting the cities in this age of saying this is the rule and the state saying no its not and I'm guessing that the people of Texas are pretty baffled when Abbot publicly does in about
face and says actually sorry guys, you can't send someone to jam. We can't be that tough that mommy helped
yea. This atmosphere of almost a little bit of anything goes where it's like. What are the rules for court of ours in Texas? What are the penalties? What can people
do what can they do and how serious they should have been taken and does it matter and whose vermin force it and you know in that moment- Abbot, helped Texans lender guard and that only increases as the reopening continues to order
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My executive order to stay at home there was issued last month, they said to expire on April, the thirtieth,
that executive order has done his job to slow the growth of global nineteen, and I will lead expire as sketch.
Benny, how long does this shut down in Texas last not very long at all?
I had one of the shortest shutdowns in the country for twenty eight days now, it's time to set a new course
They called it responsibly opens up business in tasks. We will open in a way that
and how does Governor Abbot explain having such
a short shut down in the field.
Of a national corona virus pandemic.
His explanation is effectively the crew.
The virus is bad,
around the country? But it's not that bad in Texas,
More than one point, nine million claims have been found in
Two billion dollars has been paid out and unemployment benefits
now go, of course, is to get those Texans back to work and she doesn't want to hurt the economy more than he needs to. We are texts.
We got this, so what exactly does the reopening look like I mean? How quickly does it go from
stay at home to something that actually looks like a pretty open society again
You know almost immediately the reopen
and started on May. First, I'm in Houston and
I remember, driving around use and on that day, and I remember being at an intersection.
There were two guys standing with. You know these
with big arrows said open for dine in
Little bit of a celebratory, feel
and meanwhile
You had some Republican.
However? It is saying-
restaurants, robe and other businesses great. But what about the gems and the hair salon? Those are still closed to you
Had some conservative saying great governor,
Let's do some more here. What's wrong.
And then meanwhile, you had Democrats.
Who d many local officials saying I don't like this. We have to
do. We have to go along with it by
we're in a little bit of a risk zone. Heading
the danger zone, and once this reopening is well underway, man, a just. How quickly do the infection start to rise? It doesnt have
immediately. You have. The number is going up in May, but they're going up
of a steady but not alarmed me clip and then
and in the last couple of weeks as
More phases of the reopening have taken effect,
as more businesses have reopened.
Those numbers have hit the ceiling is
the numbers
New cases skyrocketed one thousand nine hundred and thirty five as Monday in the numbers of hospitalizations skyrocketed yesterday is more than twenty two hundred
nor Texas, as there was more testing being done, but that didn't account for
such a high number, so quick, two thousand five hundred and four new Kay
clean in cities in South Texas, near the border. One percent increase
the path in cities and west texts in cities in the Central Texas in Austria? I thought of asking more than forty four hundred new positive came parts of Wake Houston
East Texas, you have the numbers Cyrus roads, nearly sixty percent of gold.
Not a lot of different places allotted different hotspots. You had nursing home
numbers mean very high. Yes
the numbers of me pack implants those.
Which were very high, so its clear that this is plain old community transmission, Texans infecting other Texans and not social distancing.
A lot of local officials believe that an alarm in the public health experts believe. Yes, they are saying that this afternoon,
is tied to.
More and more Texans wearing their guard down.
Not wearing a mask going to restaurants, going now going to the beaches,
having Morgana reigns there,
the reopening, is directly tied to the increase in the number of new cases.
And so you get to the point where we are now.
But she is
excess sort of daily breaking records of new cases, and when you say records are being broken, what are they
there's a big numbers. Yesterday, Texas had the most new cases its had since the pandemic started in a single day.
And that was more than sixty two hundred, so there are more than sixty two hundred new cases.
In one day yesterday in the state of Texas,
And one of the biggest alarm bells that rain:
Was one of the most prominent in fact
this disease experts and vaccine experts in Texas to doctrine in Doktor Hotel is out of paler hospital in Houston. He put out a tweet over the weekend
and his tweet said that if the numbers in Houston continue to go up,
The way they were at Houston would be the hardest hit city in America as far as the outbreak was so that brings us to Thursday and the governors decision to pause this opening, yes, and so the guy,
It isn't rolling back the reopening he's, not shouting the state down he's just saying from henceforward we're gonna pause, any new reopening. Now
people have said while there's a problem in Texas is basically fully open drain.
Restaurants right now in in Texas, or it are allowed to operate at seventy five percent capacity in,
only five percent capacity verses, a hundred percent. It's not really gonna make that which difference.
I have given the conditions you're describing it feels like were basically back to work
we were in late March, were the governor of Texas, Gregg Abed for all the reasons that we touched on earlier.
He is afraid once again to order a shut down when it is perhaps the best solution to the conditions on the ground and back in March.
The question around to shut down was very urgent because it might have prevented a crisis. Now. Taxes is in a crisis, and a shut down would be perhaps required to contain it
absolutely. Actually you know it's. This inherently contradictory dance
where he sang folks. Taxes is open, but standards.
Texas? You should wear a mask, but
I'm not an order. You to were an ass tat.
This is open. We are now in a crisis with our numbers. Going up, I'm not going to stop that real
I'm just gonna pies, any new reopening we might have done down the road from the outside.
There is a sense that states like Texas had extra time
release from the perspective of ways like New York or Seattle. They head,
I'm to watch and learn from the experiences of the hardest and earliest hit communities in the country, and that they should have known that this was going to happen and
what is happening right now, and taxes as a result of closing down laid an opening early was fairly predictable
and yet is now a very serious public health crisis, so
Would governor Abbot say: do you think to the least charitable verse
of this question, which is.
Is there really any excuse for taxes being in this situation right now,.
I don't know what governor rather Woods
I know that it comes down to world view and the taxes ideology
Because it comes down to you're, absolutely right text,
just needing to look
and in other states and see what was happening.
And see the writing on the wall, but text
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