From the New York Times I'm like about this is TAT it the president has issued an executive order. Cracking down on Anti Semitism on college campuses. Some jewish american view that the logic behind it could prove I'd o rationale that ultimately further anti Semitism It's Wednesday December eating so MAX Fisher. Tell us what happened last week at the White House, so less Wednesday Trump as part of his

annual Hanukkah Party announced that he was going to sign an executive order targeting what he described as anti semitic speech on college campuses seems like a worthwhile go right, seems totally straightforward, but it has set off because of the kind of way it has touched on this. The way it presented it that power, critics of it what has bed this really big divisive debate actually among American Jews about basically how to receive this, and whether this is a good or a bad thing, and why Has it touched off this debate oh man, she and actually see the complications in this order? What makes it so sensitive in the a vent where President Tron announced in malawi- and I are delighted to welcome so many friends and families- to this incredible house- the White House- to celebrate this really sacred season, and a very special time

Everyone here today happy Hanukkah at that Hanukkah Party. You know the way that kind of starts it is he starts talking about. You know the scourge of aunt Semitism, as we gather this afternoon. Our thoughts turn to the grieving families in New Jersey. Yesterday, you wicked murderers, open fire at a culture supermarket and kill, for instance, souls including a brave police officer. Talks about this recent shooting in Jersey City. He promises to crush anti Semitism. My administration will never tolerate the suppression, persecution or silencing of the jewish people. He then kind of you know introduces the people who gathered into the room which include some Republicans, donors or jewish by craft. My wife, a blessed memory would be smiling now because she loved America.

Worse than Israel and wanted to build bridges between the two places and have to colonel alarm and I think this more than anything gonna help do that. So thank you, the owner of the patriots? Yeah yeah, that's right, big republican donor, some orthodox figures who were there some evangelical leaders, and then he kind of starts to talk about the things that he has done for the jewish community and the big three accomplishments that he miss are so two years ago. I recognise the true capital of Israel and we open the american embassy in Jerusalem moving the american embassy from TEL Aviv to Jerusalem. I've also recognised Israel sovereignty over the Golan Heights,

recognising Israel is an expression of a region called the Golan Heights which Syria considers part of its territory, and I said to Bob so what Bob graft as it. So, what was bigger bob? What we did for Israel, in terms of Jerusalem and moving the embassy to Jerusalem becoming the capital of Israel or the Golan Heights, which you been looking to do for fifty two years I've been having meetings and the Golan Heights, nothing happened until I came along. I said Bob Graft, which is bigger, which is more important to the jewish people. Is that neither I so? What does that mean? He said what you, by terminating the IRAN's nuclear deal. I think that withdrawing from the Iraq clear deal which had been a big request of the israeli government. So this is kind of his big wind up to produce the executive order that he's there to announce C4 assigned the exact

The border I'd like to ask ask skirt to say a few words and Jonathan will light the menorah and, what's notable to you about this framing from the president. This list that he wraps this into well, I mean american President's have always treated policies towards Israel as something that is of great interest to the american jewish community, because it has always been a great trip to the american jewish unity, but is really leaning into the idea and fat pro Israel policies are something that serve american Jews specifically and its specifically policies that are big request of the israeli right and of the kind of american pro Israel right, but it is also for Trump himself, it's kind of especially sensitive to set things up in a way that a little bit implies that Israel is an extension of the Americans,

the community, because that is something that he is actually said. He wants into an american jewish group referred to the israeli Prime Minister, as your prime minister, but our stood with you, Prime Minister, at the White House, famous they. He criticised jewish Democrats who are critical of it, by saying that they were disloyal to Israel and I think any jewish people that vote for a Democrat. I think shows either a total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty, so Well, it's not unusual for a president to kind of tat. Their protests were policies I think the american jewish security will. I, for Trump, way that he leans into it. Does a little bit leave the suggestion that cs. Israel in the jewish community is kind of one and the same right. Did he conflates them that he conflates them? He s so then, from there he moves

to his new executive order. This action makes clear that title. Six of the Civil Rights ACT, which prohibits the federal funding of universities and other institutions that engage in discrimination, applies to institutions that traffic in anti semitic hate. What exactly does that mean? So the way that it works is that title six of the Civil Rights ACT allows the federal government to withhold money from colleges that are deemed, as now protecting people based on nationality, race or color. So it means that if your local college did nothing to stop the student K K K from holding

big rally with racist banners, saying horrible, racist things against black people than the federal government could two Vien, to withhold federal funding from that college in order to pressure them to act against the student KKK, and tell them. You know you're not allowed to hold your racist rallies on our campus and what it does is. It adds choose to that. It says we, consider Jews to be under the consideration of four ash, analogy race or color. For the purposes of this, act, and then we also have this definition of Anti Semitism has a few specific phrases, and I innovations. They were going to consider discriminatory and so colleges, and universities are now required to basically stops from saying these things, services and action of existing actions. Under that title. That's right to include yes, that's right: kind of reinterred,

said set to say. Jews are now, but not other religious minorities are now included under this all the way back. The distance between Washington in Wall Street get shorter all the time our finances portfolios and the markets are affected daily by the policies in politics coming out of the nation's capital, MIKE Townsend Charles Schwab's. Vice president four legislative and regulatory affairs hosts the original podcast Washington, wise investor, where makes a non partisan. Let the stories that matter most to investors, down The latest episode in subscribe at swapped out palm Slash, Washington, wise or wherever you listen, I'm Wendy Door and I'm an editor on the daily. For most,

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just now including Jews, and what does this have to do with your point that this is the latest example of the present equating Israel with American Judaism. Well, when President Trump introduces the order, we have also taken a firm stand against the so called investment and sanctions, movement or b d ass. You know that very well the way that he describes. It is a firm stance against beady S. Abs refers to boycott divestment and sanctions. It is an activist movement including on camp says that is aimed at pressuring the israeli government over its policies towards the Palestinians, or this is our message to universities. If you want to accept the tremendous amount of federal dollars, if you get every year, you must reject and

Semitism. He describes the executive order as targeting what he calls the anti semitic. Pain against the state of Israel later visual and citizens. The weighted it's written actually includes calling Israel erase estate as one of the band anti semitic phrases really hitches this as something that is about promoting and protecting the israeli state from this activists. Movement and that is really controversial among American choose because it happens to overlap neatly with this division kind of among them he american jewish community, where there are some who consider media ass. To be you know, beyond the pay Anti Israel, consider it to be Anti semitic and serbian, asking for this for a long time. Why does single Israel,

out alone, for condemnation, there's only one word for it: Anti Semitism. Let us call out the baby s movement for what it is, but there is also a very large segment of the american jewish community that has banned feeling very well towards Israel, especially over the last ten or fifteen years? The main reason why you know I I I I just say I support be the s they don't pick and choose is. The point is that this comes from a very, very broad cross, section of palestinian civil society with very very few tactics at their disposal and finds the idea of kind of hard line pro Israel policies generally and curbs on Anti Israel ACT visit specifically to be something that dont really aligned with their values and with what they want, and so I think for them pitching Missis thing that is serving American Jews when a lot of men,

Can choose even if they don't like or agree with PBS itself are not that comfortable a lot of israeli government policy so might be sympathetic towards student activists, were critical of Israel and maybe just generally don't love the idea of the federal government curbing Anti Israel activism. Just as a matter of free speech, I mean as the Civil Rights ACT. You know this is meant to stop. You know southern universities that allowed students to systematically harass black students, its strong protections that are meant to protect stew, from really severe discrimination. But that is what is kind of so complicated about pretty Jews into that set of categories and into that bucket of their identity, that American Jews fought really hard for as full one hand Jews from

long time, a lot of Jews have consider themselves to be a distinct race, distinct nationality. Certainly there is how Jews have been treated so setting aside Jews and not other religious groups in a sense- and I think for a larger groups, feels like cognition, and this really powerful way and the fact that its recognition in a protected class is kind of you know granting Jew. A little bit of a special status and american life On the other hand, that's also really sensitive, because there then this long standing, jewish sensitivity towards being deemed as foreigners within which, obviously, it is this very long standing, anti semitic, trope and so the threat that some Jews feel is embedded in this is that it cheap away at their identity. That Americans

This fight really hard for as full Americans and as fully wait. What you mean you know, Jews, like a tie and like Irish, were not considered wait for a long time and that obviously came with a lot of discrimination. It wasn't really until after world war to the Jews, again like Irish, like Italians were accepted as way at a time when that was a condition for being seen as. The American? I was the rabbi all the jewish community in Berlin under the regime. I learned many things and it's part of why Jews develop this tradition of getting really involved in the civil rights movement, which was partly about expanding that kind of full cultural and so

citizenship to non waits, triggered gray and hatred are not the most urgent problem. The most urgent Burma was disgraceful. The most shameful and the most tragic problem is silent, but that waiting has been valuable to Jews since then, because it it's something that says you're safe and welcome as Americans and this to some juice put that risk it puts at risk because it it's them as racially or nationally distinct. At a time when there is this, really big, rising White NASH, this movement, that is saying the exact same thing in a very threatening way that says the Jews are for energy in our midst working to undermine the United States and the EU,

Does that narrative to justify really serious, rising anti semitic violence? We begin sour with a developing story, a shooting at a synagogue income, for now. It happened in the town of Power way. That's northeast of San Diego is a young man, starting with the rifle pointing rightly disturbed. The skull just that from the Holocaust memorial here you see the headstones that worked hobbled at a jewish cemetery info river to bloody swastikas, on retaining wall about two feet by to feed each. What it does is it dredges up what's happening in the United States today? That kind of thing is not

hidden anymore, that it's out their proper man assaulting a victim in traditional religious attire on Saturday. Second victim was randomly slap in the face by his attack. Are we believed that the suspects held views that reflected hatred of the jewish people at what happened at the tree of life? Synagogue is the deadliest attack on jewish Americans in U S history, and so this kind of irony too. This is this order that is principally written as about curbing and addressing anti Semitism also is written in a way that echoes this. Why nationalist world view that says that Jews are other that their racially other that they're not

African and specifically that they are these kind of clandestine secret Israelis and these agents of Israel. Nobody intended that world view to end up in this executive order, and it's not that it's written into it, but the way that it others Jews. Even if that was clearly just a legal mechanism ends up echoing that think that that is a real fundamental irony and a source of a lot of people's discomfort with it MAX. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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