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A Guide to the Democratic Debates

2019-06-26

Over the next two days, 20 Democrats will take the stage for the first debates of the 2020 presidential race. We look at the competing visions for America they’ll be fighting over this week, and throughout the campaign. Guest: Alexander Burns, who covers national politics for The New York Times. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.

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This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
From the New York Times, unlike about this today over the next two days. Twenty democratic candidates for present we'll take the stage for the first time in twenty twenty campaign. Michael Alex spots on the two competing visions for America. They'll be fighting this week and threw out the election it's Wednesday June, twenty sixth, our cuban thinking a lot about the democratic field. These debates tell me exactly what you been thinking about. You know there's one moment over the last few weeks that has really stuck in my mind last week, at a fundraiser with a bunch of wealthy donors in New York, Joe Biden
told this story by having worked with segregationist senators in the Senate really blew up in the race. Speaking at a fundraiser in New York City, Tuesday night bite and told the crowd this, I was in a carcass with James O Eastland. He never call me boy who was called me son, Herman Tallish, one of the meanest guys I ever knew guess what it least there were some civility. We got things done. We didn't agree on much of anything, but we got things done. He took all kinds of food from his rivals like Corey Booker. I heard from many many african Americans who found the comets hurtful calmly Harris Coddle, the reputations of separate issues of people who, if they had their way, I would literally not be standing here as a member of the United States, and it is, I think, it's just its misinformed and it's wrong. We're having spoken with nostalgia about the old days of the sun and the racial implications of that
When I read the accounts of that fundraiser a different moment really stood out to me that I would have expected to blow up a little bit more. There was a direct quote in his riff that night, where he told this room of donors that under his presidency. No one standard of living will change. Nothing would fundamentally change. You can fix the economy without menacing the rich without doing too much to disrupt the lives of the rich. That seemed like a really stark statement in the context of this democratic primary, and what specifically about that remark stood out you. It stood up. Me as such, an important organizing statement of the Biden candidacy. This idea that can do what needs to be done without blowing up the system without taking a hatchet to the economic structure of the country. We tend to think about the divisions within the democratic party. The divisions we're gonna see play out on the debate stages this week, the next month as ideological ending about the left versus the centre-
in so many ways it's about something even more basic, which is whether you think the system, can be made to work in more or less the form it currently exists or whether you need to blood, and that moment Joe Biden said you work within the system. I'm not gonna blow it up. So this way of thinking about it Alex kind. Like a dual her of twenty. Sixteen, so are you saying that this is just cut a repeat of that democratic primary in somewhat As you know last time, the Democrats had this really stark choice in their primary Republicans, had a stark choice in theirs. Between institutionalists, moderate candidates, like Hillary Clinton, Broad based, inclusive growth, is what we need in America and Japan. Bush honourable inside. There is not a reason in the world why we cannot grow at a rate of four percent a year and candidates who wanted to really swing and acts of the system. Congress does not regulate Wall street walls.
Regulates Congress, hurry Sanders and credit party, of course, Donald Trump for the republic and the economy, is rigged. The banking system is rigged, there's a lot of things that are rigged in this world of ours. The Republicans chose their pitchfork candle, Democrats did not and what we saw in the general election was it. There was enough of a constituency that was angry enough disaffected about frustrate enough with the system, as it currently exists that the pitchfork I won right. There's love speculation. Right afterward TAT may be Bernie Sanders the democratic path for candidate? What happened stronger nominee once it became clear how much frustration and grievance and blow up the system had driven the general action. Even democrats, who continue to believe today that Bernie Sanders would have been a wee candidate against our trump who don't support him.
Current primary in retrospect, looking at twenty, sixteen feel an enormous sense of remorse or frustration that Hillary Clinton was not able to speak to that vote or anger, and at the party put forward a candidate who was so intimately tied to the current political system Washington establishment? So now the Democrats have to decide once again which type of these candidates Tehran, knowing that why wouldn't they just go they Bernie Sanders type or literally with Sanders this time they may well go if Bernie Sanders or Bernie Sanders type of candidate, but the pool of voters. That's it. Level two Democrats in a general election is not the same as it was in twenty sixteen for those working class white. Odors, especially in the MID West, who voted democratic historically and turned to President Trump and twenty sixteen Many of them don't have a reason to get off the Trump train just yet. The president has spoken to their anger about trade, anger about immigration and economic dislocation there.
Flying anxieties, all manner of frustrations and grievances. When you talked of voters in that part of the country who supported President Trump, you often hear that they may or may not like all the specifics of his record in government, but they still believe you outside, or they still believe, he's fighting for them. It's not uniformly true, but that pool of voters that may have been open to a Bernie Sanders type candid Twenty sixteen may or may not be available to a left wing pitchfork candidate next year. They may be firmly entrenched with present trump. That's right. On the other hand, there are big of the electorate that used to vote reliably. Republican educated, suburban voters, especially more educated and affluent, women who would have voted reliably republican in every previous election and who rejected Hilary
There is an option who now seem to be up for grabs on the other side, so we're looking at a different set of voters that is disaffected frustrated with the way Washington, working upset with the president and really undecided about what they'll do in twenty twenty. So it's the same question that we were asking and twenty sixty it just at the country. The electorate has changed in the two years since and those frustrated voters who will decide the election this time they are different. They are an Democrats are at a crossroads right now and they have to decide whether the right way to speak to those voters is to talk about restoring normalcy and stability getting rid of president Trump and bringing back some semblance of the governor that we all know and love or whether they feel like they need to talk to whose voters and really the whole lecter about systemic Change and draining the swamp and fundamentally wrong,
structuring the way government and the economy work, in other words, was Donald Trump, the problem or The system that got him elected the problem? That's right! If you go Canada by candidate in this democratic field and put them through exactly the question you just out, that's where you start to separate out the folk to believe that fundamentally trump as an individual as a leader is an anomaly and that, once you get rid of him, the country can get pretty quickly to solve, its problems within the parameters of the system that currently exist versus the candidates who see Trump as merely a symptom of much more profound problems that must be dealt with in much more drastic way. Right believe, the latter that the system must be disrupted. Then the Democrats need essentially a mirror image of tromp, a progressive figure who represents blowing up the system. If you believe the former,
Then you are looking for essentially the inverse of tromp, a moderate conciliatory figure who represents the parties values, but doesn't Such significant change, your essentially looking for Joe Biden in that case right a moderate incremental as candidate who is not going to pretend that he wants to take a train, sought a washing he is a guy who knows Washington, actually likes Washington and thinks that if you just and him into a room of the Republicans, he would get better results than if you elected a democratic president would rail against the Congress and rail against the Senate, rail against Wall Street he's on one pull the race on Other pole and arrayed in the spectrum between them are a number of candidates who d. Really sheer anything with Donald Trump in terms of their policies or their cultural world view or their personal manner, but in terms of their attitude towards Washington and what the next president needs to do to the government
to the economy have a lot more in common with Donald Trump than they have in common, withdraw button or Hillary Clinton. We need fundamental change. We need a political resolution. Our government systematically favours the rich over the poor, the donor class over the working class, the well connected over the disconnect things are changing tectonic, we in our country, and we can't just keep doing what we ve been We can't nibble around the edges of a system that no longer works, and so perhaps, whereas before we might have thought that the difference between the Joe Biden, Anne and Elizabeth Warren was not all that significant in now with this way of looking at it, that difference is pretty significant buttons agenda. So far is the agenda that he could have run on for president in twenty. Sixteen thanks Y know I'm common trash, Joam or short removed class. Will I tell you what, with a growing Mount class, we have economic, political and social.
The ability it sounds like somebody who's talking about completing the unfinished business of the Obama administration, pushing the climate change policies of that White House even further. We need to be invested in clean energy, innovation, building, clean energy infrastructure for nationwide network of Charlie Station all across Amerika. Implementing a comprehensive immigration reform deal expanding health care through a version of a public option, but not discarding the private health insurance system entirely. You all should have a choice able to buy into a public plop should plan for Medicare. Your choice of insurance companies are doing the right thing by you should have another choice. His theory of the case is that if Joe Biden had run on that platform three years ago, he would have beaten Donald Trump, because better candid than Hillary Clinton and he would have been more empathetic.
Spoken more directly to the group of voters who felt so disaffected, what I want to see us do is make big structural change. Elizabeth Warren goes revenge that talking about her exact words, are big structural change. Strawberry structural change is the exact opposite of Joe Biden message and it's an entirely different bet on what the electorate might respond to its not trying to reassure people that everything will be ok again. Once Donald Trump is gone, its talking about a much much bigger disruption. Honor didn't give a specific examples of how similar ideologies here are totally different when we think about the approach You have an idea like warrens wealth, tax, write and tax all assets over fifty million dollars held by private individuals. This is the owl term rich, I'm gonna have to pay two percent a year of that amount over
daily million dollars. That is just an incremental revenue, razor designed to go at big fortunes and restrain right some, unlike peep Buddha, is probably somewhat more moderate overall than a war and are certainly than a Sanders, but he is out there campaigning on the of adding six justices to the Supreme any change in the procedure by which people are seated on the Supreme Court in the first place. A lot of people might assume that it's in the constitution, for example, that we have nine justices. It's not men rambler, just as there is a liar it over the six and ten. I think there are reforms that we could undertake that would make the Supreme Court less of a apart lipstick ideological battle. Every time that there's a nomination that goes well beyond differences between liberals and me, or its Ngos at the larger question of big, durable political reform so out. Given that
What are we to make of these recent, admittedly early, but pretty consistent polls that have shown these democratic candidates one he had a head against our trump and in those poles, Joe Biden, has been the clear favorite he's come out well ahead of Trump. So what does that tell us? Does it tell us that voters think that trumpet the problem rather than the system being the problem. It certainly tells us that a lot of voters, fine Joe Biden to be a reassuring figure and somebody who they would prefer to have as president than the current guy that someone like Joe Biden doesn't necessarily need to be out there promising to overhaul Washington from top to bottom in order first out of Americans to see him as someone they would much prefer to have in the oval office. Whether They see Joe Biden policy Vision, whether they see his vision for how he would operate as president as
annually inspiring is something that we will find out over the course of a long campaign. What makes democratic strategists feel good about Joe Biden is just this sense that he's a safe option that the entire country can pretty much embrace as an alternative to the president and what makes democratic, strategists and activists anxious about Joe Biden is this concern that Hillary Clinton look pretty safe to at this point and one is eating and got less and less safe along the way that it will do. I back staying connected is now more important than ever. In fact, yeast.
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primary voters know what Bernie Sanders wants to do as president many of them know what Elizabeth Warren would want to do is president. There is a range of other reformist outsider, I wouldn't quite say pitchfork candidates, but definitely candidates were running against this. Damn, who have not necessarily articulated their vision and really clear terms for a national audience, so does a peep outta judge on the debate stage have an opportunity to present himself as a and anti trump in a substantive way. They get. Some of his big ideas out there for smaller number of candidates, candidates who were kind of Biden, Mould and Amy Closure of Michael Bennet, a John Higgins Super. Is there a chance in these debates to make the call for yourself and has an incremental list responsible fig. Or of stability where you're not just totally operating in Joe Biden Shadow and then, of course, for binding himself This debate is a really important test of whether he can lay out.
A vision for the country that democratic primary voters here and think that's the country I want to live in so far His candidacy has been, to paraphrase Joe Biden himself, not everywhere. Return is cleared, Donald Trump shredding. What we most believe true makes the wrong choices. Trump is tearing down the guard. Rules of democracy, I now of Herb and Donald Trump right that he has talked about himself as the electable guy, who can be the president next fall and for a lot of democratic borders. That has been enough, but once he's on stage with a big group of people who have been Ideas and big personalities and who are fundamentally likeable to democratic primary voters, Joe binds gonna, need to show that he can paint a picture that inspires, has parties base and how little we know what we are seeing in these two debates. What would you hear from Biden and from the other candidates on that stage on those stages, because there will be two
That would be important to you, a gaunt particular words. Do you imagine listening for well for the candidates who are running as real change agents as real disruptors? I would listen for language about it being insufficient, just a defeat, Donald Trump. I would listen for language about needing to fundamentally change Washington or fundamentally chow. The economy. I would be surprised if we didn't hear quite a bit of that. Certainly from war and Buddha judge Better Orourke inquiry Booker those with the candidates who have been out there, the most in terms of using that vocabulary on the other side of the race I would listen for certainly Biden himself and then a number of other. Like minded candidates to use language about.
Restoring american leadership in restoring american values at home and abroad. Where you're talking about a vision for the next presidency, that is less about restructuring the country, then cleaning up a mass that they see, President Trump as having created Alex. Thank you very much. Thank you. The democratic party will hold its first presidential primary debate tonight at nine p M, featuring candidates, including senators, Elizabeth Worn, Corey, Booker and Amy Clover chop. A second debate featuring ten more democratic candidates will be held on Thursday night, including former vice president, Joseph by Senator Bernie.
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