From your times, unlike all of this, is a daily wind energy, a cornerstone of President Biden, climate agenda is becoming a popular target for Republican. Leaders and pundit sees not ok with energy wants. Windmills. The windmills the windmills. It don't work when you need them who market an unreliable. I saw people who support wind farms as rule live very far from wind farms that, in their telling, is being forced on the country by out of touch liberals, I would you like a massive power plant in your back We are coming in buzzing chopping up, birds, that's where wind turbine is so. Why are local conservative lawmakers embracing wind farms today? Might

colleague dune secrecy travel to Wyoming to find out it's Tuesday March, sixteenth D on you recently returned from a reporting trip to. Why only why Wyoming well knew the way roaming was one of the red estates in the nation people there are supported President Trump overwhelmingly in both election see here. This is a state that has power the nation for generations in coal. People really latched onto trumps promise to bring back call there, and I learned that one of the nation's biggest wind farms was being built there, and so I headed to the home of the wind farm, which is a town called Roy

since in the county called carbon County is actually called carbon county. That's a little on the news here. People say there somewhere call in as part of Wyoming Inn in Wyoming in general, like you can swing a three iron and you'll be able to mine all of it and what's all it takes, and Did you find when you got there when I found in Rawlins, whereas a community that Bustling adventure embraced the landscape state. The crowds, county while a little town about nine thousand, which is probably a medium sized town for Wyoming. But you know I had a really ice down, turn em a coffee shop, afar kind of thing people coming and going? Did you worsened while these carbon capture, the person who I met with them

who showed me around town is a guy called Terry Welcome is the mayor of Rollins and he loves Wyoming. It's a great place to do business and to live it's as good as it gets the best fishing, the best hunting ever and place, nor the mexican food multiform and loving people have ever been around. He loves the views. He left the landscapes. You know if you get tired of people Dr Over one Helen. You won't tell anybody for hours. He should be on the tourism born the way he talks. Can you tell us about it? Not all people would like it here because, as you know, the wind blows in and the winners are a little bit raft, but most beautiful the whole world for summer time, you just fall in love with the place. You know he loves me lotta people there are like Terry. He really is kind of an embodiment of the zinc. I stood the state I moved a wall engine nineteen. Seventy eight, the oil filled with books.

As well as the coal mines or going full blast, it was kind of tough to render placed in want not. But what help me here was number one the opportunity, because I totally leave. Quality life begins with a paycheck dietary, ever walk in. mines or in the oil industry. Now he did what he kind of worked profiting off. those industries. You know when there's a boom talons situation going on in their jobs for everyone right in all kinds of fields. For example, he ended up working in a sign making business where he with Prince billboards and signs for coal mines. That was a lot of his work, was working with the industries, but not directly for them. So the people in those industries become his clients, his clients. His customers were call minors. For many years somewhat many american

to live in coal country or oil country. Those industries are vital to him. and to his sense of himself and the community. That's exactly right. I mean really. People have a lot of their identity and wailing wrapped up and call when I first New Darras like coal will never go away. We ve got a lot of that. It's just a lot pride in power in the United States with energy. This is an industry that put food on the table, the put their kids, you college and their proud of it, and how would you describe Terry's, attacks his worldview. Terry is conservative. He voted for Trump in both elections. Andy. He is a huge supporter of the industry that need Wyoming what it is and not Is fossil fuels are not a true believer in when you say, climate change, Al Gore's space

my vision, I'm not a radical climate change! Believer! Ok, I'm just not! I don't know yet. You'd have to talk a long time to convince me that I should take a different view going. I'm sorry you stand by it. so I wonder what happens to people like Terry end to this community when, inevitably, as we all know, these local industries, especially poor, starts to enter a period decline. Well when that happened in carbon county in in the eighties, when mines started, closing down with devastating people's identities were suddenly pulled out from under them. The town of Rawlins used to be twice as big as it is. Now I mean you have half a town moved away there, just where no jobs and it wasn't just the coal minors. People like Terry, saw his business decline. All they industries that profited off.

The coal mining situation. There were all just cratered. It was really hard for everyone. When I closed the coal mine, I like one, You got a word and you're making in exceptionally good for the area, then the next day you go on and you don't have a job. A lotta house just got repossess. Chervil service stations closed and then several restaurants closed. It sounds pretty damn stating their work. I mean. Can you imagine one day, just hey, there's no no place to work happened within about a year and a half. Then it was pretty sudden if you will all of

was a little bit when they close those coal mines. Everyone had to make this dramatic shift to figure out what they were going to do. Next, how are they going to survive? How is the Terran in House Carbon County can survive, but of course Terry Welcome doesn't work in that industry. So what happening to him. Well, he saw carbon counting in a really really struggling to figure out what was next for it in and what was going to become of it. With all these mines closing down. He was a business sky. He had a lot of experience and a lot of jobs in he decided that he could put that business acumen to use and he decided to run for county. Commissioner, you know that the fact of the matter is that there was a lot of people walk around bottom lip? You know the government is not good at running,

this is, and the government, whether be city or county, whatever is alive times, not good at anything about business to himself I felt that may be a business man. I would bring a new perspective. He knows that he is there as representative of the business community and he can maybe start to make some decisions that will keep carbon county on the map and what are those decisions? What kind of options does carbon county and this commission will have at this point well around the late two thousand and developers start approaching Terry and coming before the commission with ideas about building giant wind farms with wind. It was kind of a gold rush. If you will

and everybody in anybody wonder to get in the wind. Does I think at first he was pretty and shrieked a decent amount of money in tax revenue at the county coquette. But then all of a sudden tons of company start coming before the board. One particular company was so abrasive, oh my god just Bali you into it, and it was like for you get all this money yeah and given up my entire way alive. You know just a fight that used to just drive me crazy and then opposition starting what started out as sounding like a cool way to make some cash for the county suddenly seem like her. Maybe we better slowdown in about this. There are certain places week you dont want wind farm, for instance the same at its out where it all public plan. And then you permit a a wind farm. There then, all of a sudden you can type there

just hunting and one that is, is a way of life out here. It's something almost everybody does an end there and their favorite Vista t right. that's that's what some people can allow me to see, and we had to reserve certain places like that, just because it made common sand kind of realized. Tat, He had a situation here and a huge decision to make for the county, and so what does Terry do so? Terry puts a hall on things. He starts talking to people. He goes all over the state. He talks to other county officials who goes to stay capital. He talks to lawmakers. He talks to win developers. He talks to people like everyone around town. He tries to figure out what people are thinking and what what the developers themselves or pitching. Well,

long term consequences water? The short term consequences, just how many jobs are. These things can produce. Are they gonna be a blight on the landscape? He just basically. looks around and ways everything than he's learned and he decides it's in the best interests of the county to start approving some of these things, and he does just that. I mean he allows, mother when farms to start to break ground. He is seeing the bigger picture and that bigger picture is what in his mind. So for Terry. The bigger picture comes down to dollar signs. It has nothing to do with ideology

Don't have anything to do with fossil fuels, emissions pollution, climate change, it's all about the bottom line. He wants to help carbon county survive and head into the future, and a good place would you're back Verizon designed five g to make the things we do every day better with the coverage of five g nation wide millions of people can now work, listen and stream and varieties in five g quality and in parts of many cities Verizon has alter white band. The fastest five in the world. This is the five g that's built for you. This is five g felt right only from Verizon five g alter wide. available only in parts of select cities, five g nationwide available in twenty seven hundred plus cities and towns global claim an open single, independent analysis, so Dionne. How does carbon county start to change? What

Terry and the commission approve these when projects. So it's a real change for carbon county and for Rawlins itself he'll workers are coming in their spending money at hotels, there's spending money at the local bar and the rifle in club. They start seeing, even amid all the decline of fossil fuels, they start seeing real revenue come into their coffers, firm in sales tax and in the other fees that the wine projects have to who have to spend in a new wreck centre goes up. You know, improvements are made to the school. things are happening in the town and there's a real differences felt. So this is doing precisely the thing that Terry, like a man, is fellow conic measures had hoped it would do absolutely. But the problem is this not call there aren't as many jobs

the end. When we informed that I toward when I was in Wyoming, it took three hundred workers to build suddenly fifty some turbines and once it's up an operational, only take ten workers to operate and that's fer. You know the next twenty thirty years, the life of you know the wind farm. That's a huge huge decrease from in a coma in right, which takes workers costs we know in an hour- and so it's different, but as Terry likes to say it's something in something is better than nothing like at least vs jobs. You know this handful, jobs will exist. So as these wind farms star popping up delivering jobs, not as many jobs as coal, but jobs. What is the reaction to them from the community overtime? Had his terry characterize that, while the reaction is pretty next, you know some people like how they look

people think the wind turbines are pretty well then, through your mind, the first time you saw the wind turbines propped up on the land. I loved him idea, they were benchmark rising to me, but you wanna, Terry's friends, told him. Then he can't even look at them when he drives by them. His efforts his eyes? One of the guys I work with today. I was telling what I was doing the bear and is forcing out of his mouth. Was I hate looking at him well, but the other direction. I don't want to tell you. I know there are certain cars that some manufacturers make. I hate looking at them too, but they're allowed and that resistance to these farms, eventually Costume What? What do you mean? Well, what happened when you ran for real action to the commissioner's office, the last time

Well, I want you time Gennaro. In the last time I lost by twenty four boat when Terry for re election to the county commission in two thousand fourteen. He lost his seat and he blames wind doing you were there and you talked to lots of residence in the community. I assume many who opposed wind. How do you explain what they were thinking and perhaps why he lost? I think they just don't like how it works. I really do think that's part of it. I think it's either. They love they all talk about wide open spaces. Nor do I think, sometimes, when I go into rural communities, I walk around the cemetery and like that, the local town cemetery really feel like you get kind of a vibe for the town. In in these graveyards- and I noticed on you- know and or of gravestones. There were empty landscapes. Like mountain

and trees and whatever etched on Tibet headstones themselves and eat. Oh that's! How much people love their empty vistas? They want to be buried, for eternity. You know underneath and well, and I thought that was inner. That's real, but also you know, there's this identity thing going on there. What do you think was behind them? frustration with wind, even if it was just you know those twenty four votes. Well,. I think it's because their Moura, because its new scary. You know when you have eighty percent of the people that work live in our county working in the extraction business. Of course, you're gonna, not wonder how you know: feed a competitor, people love call errand, they see call in wind in competition, and

You know this is a place, the grew up of call and they don't like they looked at. How do you know? I don't look, introduce competition. I don't have a choice of indoor call. I do know my electricity, donor adults, but a lot of people think I feel that all is Being beaten up or limited by other sources, so in this way of thinking not only is wind and ice is quite Lee undermining the industry a central to so many people's identity. Their wind is literally hurting coal and oil competitively, and sounds like the environmental benefit, a wind as an alternative that its cleaner, that its far cleaner, Source of energy is not persuasive to those sceptics. That's how a lot of

people feel not everyone by you know. Instead of in a workers climbing down into the mines now they're climbing up in twin turbines and not as many of them- and you know they just they just feel like this is a direct affront to their way of, you know you can get rid of wind energy in carbon county. If you want. But then we won't have Cornwall a limited man, oil and gas, and we the wind inherent Donna bring back Golan Goin on gas as far as bike people we're running and because their great energy, I do that very few pursuit of the people thought that way about it to tarry has lost his seat, as can the commissioner in large party things because of these growing when projects, where does that leave

wind initiatives after twenty fourteen does it discouraged more development is seen as a setback for wind. I don't really think so other when projects are still coming online and are still in a getting approved and in fact the very reason that I came to carbon county. Is this big giant wind farm rights out of town that Terry helped ushering in? It's gonna be human you ve destruction is still going on and will be going on for a few more years by you know, there's something like a thousand turbines and its big enough to power a city of a million, and you know it's just it's gonna be right We really massive and sprawling in an that's Terry's legacy. So I'm curious. Can you tell me a little bit about the choked cherry plan because carbon

county is likely to be no now as home of the biggest wind farm in the United States instead of coal country, it might be wind country. Now, how do you feel about that? a champion. I helped make it happen. You know they can go anywhere and do whatever They're gonna do, but they are, you know they chose here, and I was one of those things or we we probably could have worked our tail laughing and got rid of them. Glad we didn't there eating job shared their spending money downtown. It's just get the he's, gonna get better and better and better dinner Should we be thinking about Terry? Why come in this very import,

an interesting moment in the United States debate over new the future of energy. He pushes through these win projects, but not because he believes they are an important part of fighting climate change. On the contrary, he didn't believe in climate change. He sees them purely through an economic lens, and yet he suffers politically for having done that and on those terms, I think America's filled with climate sceptics like

like Terry, welcomes Amene guys, who aren't gonna, do this kind of work bringing in green energy because they have some big sense of ideology, and I think you know a lot of a lot of politicians in the country are are practical, especially at the local level, and that's where the changes gonna happen. You know the new president, Joe Biden and the Democratic Congress, and you know those folks can do a lot for climate. There's the Paris accord, there's no all kinds of high minded big picture climate actions that they can take, but it's gonna come down to communities like like Rawlins to city councils, to county commissions, to people like Terry

who are gonna make these decisions. You know in the best interests of the residents in their own towns and cities. I feel it that's why we hear the new president talking about renewable energy in economic terms. He always talks about these projects is job creators. She does not talk about it purely as a question of climate and the environment. He can't talk about it. The way Terry welcomed Us- and I think that's not an accident. He I think that's right. I think that carbon county is a case study for the entire nation when it comes to renewable energy and how we should look at wind and solar and and selling. You know this move away from fossil fuels and that became pretty.

similarly clear, you know in the recent recent past, because last year all the counties in Wyoming were in the red. All their budgets were just facing these huge huge deficits, but carbon county is one of three counties, all of which have win projects going on tat to end the year. Twenty twenty, the most awful of years. You know in the black they have budget surpluses, and Terry really knows that. That's his that's his work, it all came from wind, and he's really proud of it? And when you are driving along and look out at these wind turbines or even spinning in the distance. Now what Through your mind, your king money it's not going to be an easy cell in a lot of communities is to snipe, and so I think

now in order to make a future. Or green. I think that we're just gonna have to figure out what works for different communities and in what the best approaches it feels like you, an opportunity to really remake yourself as a community. Here absolute we're in a biggest transformation ever When in the world, could you ever from the ground up do this judge is like one of the girls I work at their courthouse one day she gives looked at me with this shit. Look on her face. I wish I could do ain't. You said you'd do realise just as a one in a lifetime opportunity and make rawlins bigger and better and on yourself

fortunate to have the timing of being the mare at this time. You know it's too exciting me down. Thank you very much appreciate thanks so much carried. Thank you so much for spending. So much time with us, then, and using up your lunch break, to talk to us, I really appreciate it. Bribery heard you drawn attention to my gown can you send people out here and let me show him around as if they come out here and they spend any amount of time they're going to want to move here or are is clean and we're good people

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