From the New York Times. I'm likeable borrow. This is the day. Today Joe Biden is the first candidate in U S history, to wage a presidential campaign in quarantine Alex bars on the strange new reality of the twenty twenty rates? It's Thursday April? Thirty Out the last time that we spoke with you, Joe Biden has just become the de facto democratic Domini Bernie Sanders dropped out of the race, and the pandemic was just really beginning to wash over the United States. Now, of course, the Koran of ours is very much here, so I wonder if you could describe the state of the button

Well, the state of the Biden campaign is super weird. Which one is a technical term of court. You know Since the last time we spoke, Joe Biden has not held one public event in person as a candidate and his campaign has been really restricted to the telephone and to zoom in face time. Like so much of life. For so many Americans. He is campaigning he likes to say from his basement kind of as a joke, but it's true that he as a video uplink in a refurbish records. In his enormous house in Delaware, but is based unable to do almost any of the traditional activities of a presumptive candidate no unity rally to primary opponents and are certainly no in person fund razors. So what is the virtual element of this campaign?

actually look like the priorities on Zoom in his baseman, with all those books, final report, kind of a work in progress, look folks They believe me. Thank you. Take them found speak with me, so they ve tried a bunch of different formats, regularly The question now from Marine Jenkins, Maureen are on muted. Were you there. They have done what they call virtual rope lines where Biden gets on here. Video stream and talks to a succession of voters the way he would if he were greeting. At the end of an event good evening, Mr President, and that has such a nice ring to it They didn't quite work that way, because on an actual rope line, you talk to a voter, for you know, maybe ten or fifteen and the many different right really important conversation. Do you support the endangered species that is first virtual rope line? I spoke to one of the voters who

was on it. Voters said that it went for more than an hour rides. It is not yet exactly. These became very involved conversations, and will you prohibit animals from being hunted and brought into this country for trophies? Yes, yes, I love you look, I want to say something: why won't things read the whole point of a reply as I've observe them. Is that the minute you bump into someone you don't want to talk to? You literally just turn your head and you are done with and hear and feel that you would be locked new assume conversation with somebody and will be hard to get out of hand. That's right, there's a lot more to say, but I rarely probably said too much to thank everybody for joining. We appreciate this than we do apologize or the technical difficulties that we had. The campaigners tried other formats virtual town halls. He has

virtual endorsement events. My friend Senator Bernie Sanders Bernie Welcome failed. Thank you very much for your remarks and thank you for welcome me me. Your life string here There is definitely a stilted and sometimes artificial quality. To these events, I'm asking every independent I'm asking a lot of republicans the come together in this campaign to support your candy. I was getting Bernie Sanders endorsement. You ended up with these two guys pushing eighty on alive stream talking to, other, something about it that you know it doesn't. Of the same kind of emotional. Kick that a unity rally would, for instance, and for the work we do pal. I really genuine mean from the bottom of my heart. Thank you for being Two gentlemen, thank you for your generosity. Give me my word I'll, try my best not on the agenda. Thank you very much doubt that they loaded

I say a lotta jill as well. I will he has started a podcast folks, job wine and we're listening to here's the deal sitting here and bombings in Delaware. My basement are exciting to your next broadcast episode. Where he does these, I think rather charming. I interviews with other prominent democrats we made a day is a great friend and are really credible. Governor cover James, where they talk again, a fairly unstructured seeming way about just for what's on their minds with their lockdown experiences dinner and, Mr President, you look like a million bucks that the basement aware of yours work and pretty well I'd say you were living down here. I never thought I'd turn into a clause I studio, but what sort of their big policy

agendas are in their ideas are one lesson: can american people learn from this pandemic help ensure we move quickly to address climate change before it's too late, or is there, inaction farther low your big inertia it. You know you could think of covert. Nineteen is a metaphor for the it's kind of a fast acting climate change. Do you have the sense that the virtual components of this campaign that have been cobbled together, the podcast, the town halls, the will mind: do you sense at any of these are really breaking through and that the voting public is actually consuming them? you know, I think they have done some things that have broken through. As you know, the corona virus has it walkie particularly hard. What specific steps would you take to redress this crisis? Will number one member has begun doing local tee

heads in swing states in markets like no walk in Detroit in Pittsburgh? Interesting when you think I'm Pittsburgh. What do you think? That's a lot of time infrastructure, as you probably know, As I said on people, I grew up with other middle class working class folks who buster napkin and an hour and that is an important way to get in front of people, especially at a time when so many people are staying at home from television all day. Mister good morning, one worker hang on their to bring you live coverage of today's Whitehouse briefing on the corona virus pandemic. Here is the President very much. Thank you very much and in that sense it feels like fundamentally not quite an even playing field when you think about his opponent, the income president I'd states, because incumbency has always carried massive advantages for publicity right and commanding the spotlight, but here we have an incumbent in the middle of a national Christ.

This with daily news briefings. While we mourn the tragic loss of life- and you can't more than A stronger than were morning at the United States has produced dramatically better health outcomes than any other country. With the possible exception of germany- and I think were as good or better and on the other side is Joe Biden at home in isolation trying to get on tv or doing on one of them right. You know. Donald Trump is also stuck at home. Doing video and television appearances, from his residence but his residence at the White House and he's the incoming president and that commands a different level of public attention, and this is something in the course of our reporting on Minnow Biden, life in lockdown eyes that he has been frustrated with. Not so much the differential between the attention he gets any attention trump gets, but with the critic.

Them. He has gotten for being so much less visible than the president, because I think the view among people close to Biden is you see you just can't put yourself on an equal footing with the resident international crisis when you're not allowed to leave your house enough frustration, I imagine, reflects a fear in it. This crisis is just gonna, make it much harder for Joe Biden to win. You know I'm not sure, that's exactly right. The view in the Biden CAP and, I think, increasingly the view as well among a lot of senior Republicans is that the huge difference aw in media exposure in the president's favour is maybe not working so much in the president's favour so Supposing we hit the body with a tremendous whether its ultra violet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn't rejected you, gonna testing.

He is out there. Yes, getting tons of eyeballs on him every single day, but his numbers have. Steadily fall and not just overall in terms of what he is in the election, but in how the public feels about his handling of the crisis, right, and then I see the disinfectant were not carried out in a minute and is there a way we can do something I get a lot of people are looking at him very closely. They don't really seem to like, they see. On the other hand, people are paying far less attention to Joe Biden, but let's thing back on Joe Biden, who we knew during the democratic primaries who were not exactly MR crisp, clean and confident when it came to living, a public message every today, on the campaign trail: poor kids, you just as bright injustice, towns, white, kids, wealthy. We need to think how we think about right there

of gas through a lot of missteps lot of Miss spoken words and thoughts. Right. There were arguments with voters, you're selling access Why don't you said that this is not a candidate with a really flawless performance as a public campaigner, so there is a trade off here and right now. I think, on balance, it seems to be working for Biden to be this largely unseen figure who people basis We have a favourable impression of so to have him more off stage At a moment when the president is struggling at least creates the possibility that he continues to gain relative political strength mode,

we by default. So there is a version of this where Joe Biden meaningfully benefits from being the candidate of isolation? Yes- and that is the scenario that we are living in right now they re back? We all shop online, a lot and finding promo code. That work is an easy unless you use honey. The free browser extension, backed by Paypal that scans the internet for the best promo code and automatically attitude cart, just download honey to your computer shop like normal click, the apply coupons button and watch the prices drop, its one huh. Percent free to use and installs in just a few seconds, get honey for free. I join honey, Doc,

Slash daily, that's join honey, dot com, slash daily. So, as you have just described what the Biden Canada see, looks like in isolation, I will turn to the broader campaign. What is that start to look like under these very strange circumcised you know, I don't think anybody knows the answer to that for sure, but I think that what we can say today with half a year left in this campaign, is that it is going to be a shadow of the kind of presidential campaign. That we are used to, we don't know whether either these candidates will ever hold a conventional campaign rally again loud we still don't know whether either party will hold any semblance of a national convention, and these are restrictions driven by a public healthcare starfleet with a very, very uncertain trajectory ahead of us.

It really hard to imagine presidential campaign without conventions? We ve both attended these conventions and they are these really important moments in a campaign write him and in many ways a candidate is introduced to the country, thereby her father story. There, the slick Lee produced videos, family members, come out elaborate. Boots are made and without those kind of. When does the general election relieving kick off? Well, that's the big question. I think, right now, if one of the parties is going forge ahead with a convention. It will clearly be the Republicans at the president is said to be very determined to hold a convention. Interesting Charlotte, but he is a prisoner two circumstance and public health as much as anybody here. Biden has gone much further in suggesting that it may need to be some kind of virtual.

Convention and its hard to imagine a virtual convention getting the same kind of attention as these spectacle that you just, scribe eating and if you are deprived of that opportunity, you dont not just to introduce yourself to the country, but to introduce yourself So the country with your running mate and your ideas and your general election slogan and message is in much much bigger challenge of political stagecraft to make it really count the way, I think both campaigns would really like it too, here. Well, some curious whether we end up having anything resembling a normal convention or not how are you are seeing the pandemic start to influence the kind of visions that both of these candidates are gonna, be running on in the next few months? I dont think that I can recall another place

central campaign where the two parties eventual nominees end up having to move so far away from the message that they set out to deliver at the beginning of the campaign. When you mean look, president came into this election season, expecting to run on former years of peace and prosperity and a booming stock market and economic growth. That is obviously not a viable message. At this point, Joe Biden enter the presidential race with essentially a message of returning to normal, see where you remember what the Obama years were like and we can do you know more of that That also seems like a pretty defunct message under current conditions What is starting to mean for those two kind of assumed, visions for the campaign What are you seeing Joe Biden due to pivot away from the I want to return to normal because they're kind of is no normal anymore and what

seeing from President Tromp who wanted to campaign. On a record stock market and economic expansion is a huge question mark for both of them and at this point- and I think the eventual, Answers are going to be heavily driven by the external realities of the campaign. If president tromp wines up in a position next fall to make the case, Instead, you know you are seeing the green shoots of an economic recovery. The now will be his message if he doesn't have that I It's really hard to see what kind of positive forward looking message he can deliver we have seen from his campaign. The last few weeks is Combination of attacking congressional Democrats. They wanna make jump, look is better again, because I want to try and win an election that they shouldn't be allowed to win for being. We liberals are not being cooperative enough with him an attack.

Joe Biden personally, we have a sleepy guy innovation to the house that the press is giving a free best Who does it want to do it debates because of covert? And then you have the president had a number of points revive the red meat issue of immigration. As what sort of a stimulus to his political base by poison Migration will help put unemployed Americans first in line for jobs as America reopens so important I dont know that adds up to a cohesive message about look at all the things I accomplished here, all the things I will accomplish for you with a second term. I think the closest we heard president Trump get to that kind of message- was when he said somewhat off the cuff in one of his briefings a few weeks back, we built the greatest economy in the world. I do the second time we'll do it again, so I am very proud,

this country, I have to say I am very proud to be a president and a very proud of this country. Thank you very much everybody. Ok, so that's trot what about by you and I- and anybody who gets reelected or elected in november- is gonna facing a circumstance nationally Then internationally hasn't been seen for a long long time. Biden has increasingly began to talk about the next presidency not as a return to normal, see, kind of event, old home of things are gonna, be here. Is difficult as they were when Frank and Roosevelt got elected, but really a national emergency presidency. I think we have an opportunity to turn generating a fundamentally green infrastructure.

And turning it around in a way that can be the very thing and help us get through this existential threat to our economy. He has talked about Doing much more in terms of investing in economic stimulus Income Support business rescues, infrastructure spending We just haven't seen it all come together in some kind of big Joe Biden National Rescue plan. This is what the job, inversion of the twenty first century new deal would look like. I can't tell you. From my own reporting on the Biden campaign. They are moving in that direction. They are having those conversations and I think it is just really the view not just in the Bible, can't, but among Democrats more broadly that the party needs to offer something much you're. Then the Joe Biden primary season agenda. Agenda that many Democrats down totally worthy based on it.

Nations they knew about in February, but that doesn't match the severity of the moment today. I am pray to God. This is one of those moments where we beyond where we were not just back to where we were. As I want now to the state of the re, its trump versus button. What is Finally, our pools telling us at this point with the Enormous cabbie out that its six months before election day, with that enormous caviar. The picture is quite clear at this point, that has an early upper hand over the president, in terms of the head to head between the two of them Biden, has an advantage of some size in basically everything that we consume this year, a swing state mentioned swings AIDS, which once well there are the big three four twenty sixteen, the historically democratic midwestern states that flipped to trumps collar and delivered him. The presidency Pennsylvania, Michigan Wisconsin.

As of today, Republicans, feel very domestic about Michigan, somewhat as pessimistic, but still pretty pessimistic about Pennsylvania They see Wisconsin as a real male biter place, where Biden probably has a sliver of an advantage, but you know not a state that has swung back to the Democrats decisively by any means. The shortest path any Democrat to two hundred seventy electoral college votes is winning those three states. And holding the rest of the states that Hillary Clinton one so at this point by has real electoral advantages, but outside doesn't a president in charge in the middle of a national crisis, almost by definition benefit politically from spotlight from people rallying around the flagging, even if he is seen to be screwing up the short answer is yes and we did

that initially with president tromp. Not a really pronounced way, but at the end, of March, the middle of March. He was a couple points higher in the polls than he had been previously. There is a precedent, for a president, initially getting a political bounce international crisis and then watching it fade rapidly and ass drizzly for his own reelection, as it becomes clear, Miss manage the crisis that Jimmy Carter, it also with the uranium hostage crisis. When IRAN sees the american embassy took american hostages, there was a rally around the flag effect for Jimmy Carter, as he got so kind of that aura of not exactly a wartime president, but a crisis president and the crisis dragged on and on and as the press then seemed more and more impotent to resolve it. It really doomed him politically right

Carter would go on to lose two Ronald Reagan and he would become a one term president, because of that crisis, that's right and that was an election. There was really about one thing, and that was the country's perception that the president was weak right. I think for those of us who are covering this election, we can't say today that that is how voters will make up their minds November, something good other changes, the entire framing of the race for either candidate take the creation of sexual assault by a former Biden aid which he denies, but that could get traction progressives in the Democratic Party have already pushed him to address the algae. Sure he has so far been silent on the matter, but we do have to contemplate. The possibility of this election is ultimately just about one thing and that's the pandemic and what voters think of the press Its role in marshalling a government response and if the conditions that exist today exists in the four that is a very

a very hard campaign for the president to win and if conditions, change very substantially, then? Maybe tromp has a chance to run some version of the campaign. He was hoping to run in the first place, but all of that is contingent not on the choices. The candidates make and not tactics and strategy of the campaigns, but on this overwhelming external event, that, of them is in a position to control. In other words, if it comes up, the virus is a very dark way to put it, but I think that, basically treasure house, thank you very much. Thank you. The times reports. President Trump has become increasingly frustrated with pulling that shows him trailing behind. Joe Biden increase

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