From the New York Times. I'm Michael Barbara. This he's busy today, in truth, in thirteen Abigail Fisher Suit, the University of Texas, saying she was discriminated against for being white. Now a group of students are soon have saying they were discriminated against for being Asian America. Boast lost take aim at affirmative action and both be traced to the same man, but this the White House is taking up his cause, it's Friday August, first, so brief, ground. I guess I had it was four point: six summer rubber, quickly format GPA wow, so you had me, wouldn't you had more than a four point out yet

river went out that I took most wanders navy glasses by had a perfect eighty three score for actual bricklayers. I play the piano for over fifteen years. I did speaking debate I uh thing and acquire which she went about inauguration backing. You saying I sang a brook Obama's inauguration for president. Let me first inauguration of art does give getting better there's a lot of that fighting them. Let them I did so with that Razumihin. Where did you applauded? Cod I point all was except one look and how many you accepted you, one thousand. What to that ratio of acceptance to rejection on doubling quite disappointed that will actually reached out here Will the mission to I wanted to know how these rules, youth race, at the factor of consideration,

I was wondering whether young my race had any factor or how large proportion and play in others, this unnatural perception that there's a quotas there on how the asian region has spoken to stem from, because there are so many qualified eat american students that would be difficult to stop them all. Everyone have eternally some. There seemed to be like a sub standard separation work into which their minimum, biased and higher than that of other reasons. I want to see if there is any are any kind of signs showing that and tell me what Harvard in particular is that, where your most eager to go, yell and harbour was premature, tie for me, in two, if I had offers from both schools to be quiet, opposition to choose between both are equally phobia. Arches can, when it does seem a dumpling. Those were a mom. I told you what I really want to go for the rejection from Harvard Michael way. Join the group of asian american students who question the universities decision making process Michael

Anna Mona Hearted Cause is reporting on the story so in November of two thousand fourteen, a group calling itself students for fair admissions, filed a law student a court in Boston against Harvard University alleging discrimination and ambitions against Asian Americans and the law. Suits, says that Harvard has been doing this through what our Essentially, illegal quotas and Supreme Court has ruled that numeric quotas are not acceptable in college admissions. Harvard says it doesn't have them but this law suit says that in effect, it does because, year after year after year, roughly the A percentage of Asians and of whites and of blocks of hispanics are admitted to the fresh air so they're saying if Harvard we're going

strictly on merit. There would be a lot more asian american students there Harvard doesn't want that, because that would reduce the numbers of white students, black students and has done extent and what's happening with this legal case now so just a few months after the lawsuit was filed, a coalition of sixty four asian american groups went to the Department of Justice and the actually the education department as well to file a complaint. The tracks very close to the lawsuit, and this was under the Obama administration it sort of languished in the Justice Department. Now you administration has come in and they say that there are gonna, look

so. The Trump administration took a case of the administration, basically ignored and said we are going to do something about the correct and what are they doing about it? So the Department of Justice posted a job opening for lawyers who would work on university admissions discrimination. Essentially, affirmative action is we're talking about so the taking up the issue of affirmative action and what are based on this lawsuit Gimme, a sense of what its lake for Asian Americans applying to college right now, our rights. That the law suit actually likened set? I think this is an interesting point to do the nation against Jews, at Harvard going back to the nineteen ten twenties thirties. When many historians have said there was an informal quota against Jews. Then the high achieving minority and started to get too numerous and Harvard

so now the lawsuit claims. The same thing is happening with asian steer. The high achieving minority and there being penalized so. Some research has shown, for instance, that to get into a school like harbour. As an asian American. You need to can. I score. That's a hundred and forty points higher than a white applicant while right, sir, in the lawsuit, it quotes the Princeton Review, which is a very mainstream college, prep, Benny. If you are an asian American or even if you simply have an asian or asian sounding surname, you need to be careful about what you do and dont say in your application. Don't attach a photograph, don't write an application essay about the importance of your family or the positive negative aspects of living in two cultures:

something that most kids think is good to write about it? This is extraordinary advice that that suggest that this is kind of baked in understood phenomenon, and I are engaging it does its the stereotyping that these kids are concerned about, and that day focus is justified and how did this Harvard case come about first place? It was orchestrated by Edward Bloom, my name is Edward bloom. He's a former stockbroker he's, not a lawyer. I have described myself as something like into the matchmaker he's filed a number of court cases to gigantic blockbuster cases. Edward Bloom has a knack for finding the right place to get the justices

Can we him can be formal, see him again, he's become very adept at this. I confess I have a quiet and it is the address of the. U S Supreme Court and the mission is to see if I can get a case back there. So tell me how you got into this work is, of course, as you said, you're, not a lawyer. So what's the story there, that story begins with my wife, and I living in a kind of a garden, variety, Houston, neighbourhood. We decided that we wanted move closer to the inner city trendy or a little hyper. So we did that and when we went to vote

First time in our new neighbourhood, the Republican Party had not yielded a candidate, so I ended up running for Congress as the Republican Domini in that district, my wife and I went door to door and introduced ourselves to the voters of the eighteen congressional district, the Texas it was during that process of determining who was in this congressional district. We realised the Texas Legislature had black by block identify residents by their race, ethnicity and harvested them into a congressional district describing what would you believe to be at risk the gerrymandered district, that racially gerrymandered district. I lost the race, but I soon the state of Texas

The first summit ever filed a lawsuit that was my first win at the Supreme Court, and that was the beginning of my legal advocacy in the arena of race and ethnicity. He's become very adept at this hour. Straight at the Fisher V University of Texas at Austin case, which went to the Supreme Court and was decided just last year about your future apply universally taxes in two thousand and eight. Abby is a shy. Young woman, strawberry Blonde played the kilo and she was rejected from you t. What was a central question in her case which come before the summer? so that was an anti white discrimination case. I hope the core rules that students race and admit that he should not be considered when applying to the University of taxes we have had a decision just handed down in what

was billed as the landmark affirmative action case of this term. The court ruled that universities may consider race in student admissions, primitive action and higher education is constitutional. Enough our three ruling handed down Thursday morning, a divided Supreme Court upheld racial preferences and university emissions. Justice Anthony Kennedy writing for the majority argued for american education's need to reconcile the pursuit of diversity with a constitutional promise of equal treatment and dignity. With a very painful day, I think, for all of us who labour for the elimination of racing in higher education under the descent, injustices Alito did mention asian Americans as a troubling example of how affirmative action might do something wrong

at that time. I remember talking to Lee Ballinger, whose now head of Columbia University was at the University of Michigan LAW School when it was the target of an affirmative action lawsuit, and he said just wait and see. Asian Americans are gonna be next. You know that's the way that the anti affirmative action people are gonna go and that's exactly what we do. In November, two thousand and fourteen we Food Harvard University arguing that harboured has a quota that limits the number of Asians. It will accept much, Like harboured quota on Jews during the nineteen? Twenty thirty six forty did you go out and specifically recruit asian plaintiffs. Yes, I had to make a lot of phone calls. I had to launch a website called harboured, not fair dot, o Archie Harvard not share Dato orgy,

let me say, type that into the browser here. So what I see is a photo dejected. Looking asian woman and the bay our next to her, says Or you denied admission to Harvard it may be because you're the wrong race, that is the basis of that lawsuit, Asians, are an important part. De the Ivy League, and our belief is that they are the ones that are suffering more from racial preferences than Billy any other than any other race. So, looking back at the COMECON, ology and

two of these lawsuits front from outside. It looks like you in your role as a kind of legal Yandah has described. It went to the Supreme Court with a white plaintive in the affirmative action case in Texas, end in Lhasa case and then went and sought to find an asian student in the Harvard case. Why? Why did you make that turn? It's not like. We abandon representing white kids. It's just that the group that is most harmed by by

harboured quota system. So why do you do this work Edward? Why have you devoted so much of your life now to trying to dismantle these race based protections? That's a good question and I dont know that I have a good answer. I guess this is something that I grew up with, that that the lessons that my mother and father and frankly, maybe liberal Judaism, taught me that the foundation of civil rights is that your race and Europe initiative should not be something that used to help you, nor should it be used to harm you. All that I'm trying to do is to restore that original civil rights vision. I guess that's why I do it so looking at the the

three of your lawsuits and what their aimed at they pursue many of the biggest accomplishments in the Summer Rights Movement voting rights, affirmative action. What do you say to those who conclude that your goal is to basically undo the advances of us all rights movement. Well, the fourth question: why be frank? It is I'm not trying to undo the advancements I'm trying Restore the original vision, but you cannot cure past racial discrimination with new racial discrimination that bottom line. So, finally, I want to ask you about the interest of our president in this issue. What did you think When you heard that President Trump has come,

for lawyers inside the Department of Justice to investigate race based additions and and the possibility of discrimination in those emissions policies. I I I would have welcomed any administration to look closely at this issue, hold these universities feet to the fire and make sure that they are complying with Supreme Court jurisprudence. In this I applaud America applauds that and I hope to see more of it or to attack. Hi, I'm Kristen minds are, and I'm the cost of innovation uncovered anew podcast the world,

changing in real time, often in ways we don't notice an can't protect innovation. And covered explores the breakthroughs that our driving our culture now from how we play we consume to how we can act more more? what the ideas that are reshaping our reality in extraordinary way as enemies. Uncovered is upon cast from invest, go cute! You too, and t brand at the New York Times listened today in basque or distributors, ink. Nicole Hannah Jones covers race in education for the times I interviewed Edward Bloom, and he will readily admit that we have a fundamentally unequal and segregated Kate through twelve system, but then I would like to pretend that once we get to college admissions, we are a meritocracy and every child every student should be treated, as if they came from the same place? So given the scope of ever blooms workin what you know about him, both from his track record with lawsuits and from your conversation

with him. Do you believe that this lawsuit that he helped file against Harvard is about discrimination against Asian Americans, or is it about something else. I think that Edward Bloom is using Asian Americans. The way that many white Americans have used asian american sense the myth of the model minority

began the myth of the mighty motto. Minority starts to come about in the nineteen sixties, and it's a direct reaction to the push for civil rights of black Americans and what it says is. It begins to hold up asian Americans as a group of people who are racial minority who came to this country and worked hard and were able to succeed, and in that case you are able to use asian Americans who show that America really doesn't have a race problem, its black people who have the problem so that they become a foil exactly so. The current law suit is just the most current iteration of that, which is to say black Americans. Latinos are complaining that they need help to get in the car is because of a

fair system will look at this minority group over here. If we were really a unfair racist country, how could Asian Americans be doing so well, so how do we arrive at the affirmative action system in the first place? What did it set out to do if we understand the roots of affirmative action Linda, be Johnson is the first politician who talks about formative action in nineteen sixty five you do not take a person who, for years, has been about by change and liberating up to the starting line of a race and then say you are free to compete.

All the others and still justly believe that you have been completely back? It is now saying that they didn't work hard. Are there not qualified it saying that they have not had the same advantages by the school you Milton and the poverty of the riches of your surround? When we think about college admissions, I think would often gets lost. Is colleges are looking at a bunch of different things at all times, to determine who they're going to accept colleges, admit students, because they want geographic diversity, white women, outscore white men on test scores, but colleges what gender balance? It is only when it comes to raise that we have a problem, even though black students are only five percent of all students enrolled at flags.

Universities. So, even with so called affirmative action, you could not argue the black students are taking the slats of white students because they are still under represented at any of the flagship universities. So, with all that in mind, is offer action doing what it set out to do, especially in college emissions. Now I mean now, I think again the fact that only five percent of the students at flagship universities are black students with affirmative action shows that it actually hasn't done a great job of catching students up, and it is not opening the opportunities for black students to get into the best universities, and in fact what we do know is that white women have been the greatest benefactors of affirmative action because it or how get affirmative action policies passed. They had to include white women as a historically or press minority group having what more conservative people forced into legislation and policy in order to pass affirmative exe

So if you look at White women's college attendance, when you look at white women's earning capacity and entry into a kind of the corporate world, their numbers far out number black Americans, though people don't tend to think of them as beneficiaries of affirmative action. They certainly are with that set in states that have eliminated affirmative action altogether. You seen a significant drop in a Roma of Black in the tunnel students. So what we have is great, but if we don't have it, it's going to be a lot worse, here is what else you need to know transcript Leaked to the Washington Post reveal that details of tens conversations between President Trump and to foreign leaders during trot early days in office talking to mexican president and we gave penguin yet Trump said. You are going to say that Mexico is not going to pay for the wall. Then I do not want to meet with you guys anymore, because I cannot live with that

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