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The president says he’s putting Pittsburgh ahead of Paris, and announced the withdrawal of the United States from the global climate agreement. We discuss the months leading up to that remarkable decision — and what happens next. Guests: Michael D. Shear, a White House reporter; Brad Plumer, who covers the climate. For more information on today’s episode, visit http://nyti.ms/2rMsWBj.

This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
From the New York Times? I Michael Barbara this is the day today, the president says he's putting Pittsburgh ahead of Paris and withdraw Was the United States from the global climate agreement, the months leading up to that remarkable decision and what happens now, it's Friday June second An admiration for his unwavering commitment of the american people. It is now my high honor and distinct privilege to introduce to all of you, the President of the United States of America, President Donald Trump Thursday afternoon standing in the sunlit rose garden behind the White House. President Trump, Pair, to announce a decision that the international community had anxious We ve been waiting to hear for months. The President
had been promising to withdraw from the Paris climate accord, but whether or not He actually would was a question, Until the moment he began to speak. Like you very much, thank you so much. We are talking before this announcement in the rose garden, so we are in a I at least a bit of suspense you're trying to understand exactly what the president will do about the poorest climate agreement from what you can tell. When do we first hear Donald Trump talk about the Paris climate? I think the most memorable moment is sort of the fall of two thousand and fifteen Michael Sheer is a White House reporter he's interviewed on morning Joe
one of the few organizing a right now and you are over in Paris. What is it you would be trying to do on climate change and goes into a long kind of rambling answer? Well. First of all, I think one of the dumbest Davis I've ever heard in politics in the history of politics. As I know it, quick, is pretty good. Was our bombers statement that our number one problem is doable warming? It exposes his real frustration with President Obama at the time and President Obama's position on climate. I think that the other day that we're gonna show them when we meet back. We for the future, warming and climate change or whatever the new term is because now they have extreme weather, you don't have somebody new terms, because the old ones don't work very well used to be global warming, and then they had a problem where they had some very cool areas and know that was working. So you know they go climate change. Now it s not just a deeper
frustration and anger about the whole issue of climate change, you sort of dismisses it sort of all but says: look. This is Allah a big joke, so is this before or after Trump, formerly He entered the presidential race, so this is, after all, this is the fall. I guess November I think is three native took two thousand fifteen. He gets in the way in June of that year, so he several months in to being a candidate, and why does he decide? Do you think to come out aggressively against the climate accord. At this point in the race I was thinking about, I think they're sort of two explanations. One is that much of what animated Donald Trump, especially at the beginning of the campaign, I think he he ultimately cut abroad. His reasons for running, but what animated him at the beginning was just an anti Obama. Praties s right
Where's president, maybe in the history of our country, I think he's been. A disaster has been weak, he's been ineffective, he's the founder of ice and sees the founder of us. Haven't you look at everything our borders are like swiss cheese. This ban has done such a bad job. You set us back, so in this way he know both there's those of us who think that maybe the reason, the whole reason he got into the race in the first place was the embarrassment that Barack Obama had caused him at the correspondence dinner years. Before I mean there was a real anti Obama thing going on and so to the extent that Obama was the personification of the sort of the global efforts to combat climate change and to combat global warming. President Obama was at the helm of the United States. The United States was leading this global effort to negotiate this treaty, so there.
For by definition, Donald Trump had to be against. It reacts really interesting if less for it, I'm not right, while the world is in turmoil and falling apart in so many different ways, especially with ices. Our president is worried about global warming, water, ridiculous situation, and I think the other part of it is, that Donald Trump, he wasn't somebody who had spent a lifetime being a candidate and developing Minos, sophisticated positions that you sort of sea lifetime. Politicians having and I think the way he picked up on some of these issues was by the sort of reaction that he would get right. He's got a problem with the carbon footprint you can use hairspray, because hairspray is going to affect the US, I'm trying to think I was in my room in New York City and I want to put a little spray So that goes to a rally and what gets the crowd fired
but I hear where they don't want to use hairspray. They want me to use the pump because the other one which I really liked better than going B b b and that it comes out in big globs right. It is stuck in your hair. You sell by gotta gotta, take your shower again. My ears was right. I want to use history, they say don't use. Hairspray is bad for the US. Some sitting at this conceal department is concealed union really do live in a very nice, but sealed it's beautiful, hardly anything gets out and I'm not supposed to be using nursemaid, but thank you. It saw bomb is always talking about the global warming that global warming is our biggest and most dangers. Ok, no, nothing I've been even if you're a believer in global warming. Ices is a big problem. Russia's approval of China is a problem. We get a lot of problems for him. It was partly Obama and partly this idea that this was what got arise out of people too
at these rallies that you're describing what did trumps say. He would actually do about the Paris Climate agreement, so he would call it a job killing agreement. He would talk about the weakness of the United States that we were somehow giving up to other cunt. You were gonna, take leadership role. He often mentioned China. China is an abiding by anything, thereby all over. I call we can't use call anymore essentially I know, was somehow getting more out of this and in the United States was their buying are gone they using now. When you talk about the planet, it so big out there we hear there there's like IRAN next door, neighbor right in terms of the universe, this universe, but who have made a great deal when I sold out, did I get rich
I was a great the most China's one only because he would just talk about about ITALY how bad it was any wanted to cancel it. We're going to cancel the Paris climate agreement at stop, unbelievable I'd, stop all payments of the United States. Tax dollars to you and global warming programmes, and he would you see I'm going to cancel that was his sort of catchphrase. You're starting to explain this, but what exactly was the case whether it was illogical, or more economical? The trump was making against the Paris Climate agreement will essentially it wasn't it. Comic argument. It was the business man and Donald Trump and said what I think that climate change is just a very, very expensive form of tax. A lot of people are making a lot of money. I know much about climate change, as we see many in
Mental awards see United States. Participation in this agreement was going to impose standards for reducing pollution that would be burdensome to american businesses and that those businesses, the competitors those businesses in other countries around the world would not have to meet the same standards, Ultimately, it would be unfair and unless level playing field for the United States in the american economy, search, harder business. We want cleaner? We want clean water and I feel very strongly about that using. That starts to sound a lot like the same Donald Trump, who complained about a trade deficit with China or any number of grievances that he had about an international economic system that he felt was not fair to United States yeah. I think that's true and in fact I think, there's a lot about Donald Trump. It isn't consistent and it's hard to find consistency in Seoul. Its positions, but this might be one exception right. He has been consistently skeptical of these big, multinational multilateral international agreements? He fund
really believes that the United States is giving up more than its getting in those arrangements and that the United States should back out of those can deals and enter into a kind of one on one negotiations, so that you can hammer out the best terms for the United States. So then, of course, Donald Trump is elected president, and when it comes to the environment, what does he do once he gets to the White House? So one of the things that is pretty striking when he gets into the White House is there's all sorts of issues whirling around. We all know them the travel ban on that stuff. It happens, but kind of. In the background him, moves very rapidly to start to try to undo President Obama's entire environmental legacy. So this is beyond just the Paris climate accord, but he starts unravelling the clean power plan first, these energy independence action calls for an immediate
re evaluation of the so called clean power plan, which was President Obama's effort to impose new restrictions on coal fired power plants and in reduce the emissions from then. Perhaps no single regulation threatens our minors, energy workers and companies more than this crushing attack on american industry. He you know sets about at the Environmental protection Agency to start getting some of the regulations and some of the other measures that President Obama had put in to try to reduce emissions to trade. Save energy. Second, we're lifting the ban on federal leasing for coal production. Third lifting job, killing restrictions on the production of oil natural gas, clean coal and shale energy. He takes aim at auto emissions. The assault on the american auto industry believe me is over. President Obama had tried.
Ratchet up the efficiency of cars on the road, putting new restrictions on automakers? That said, they had to meet certain number of miles per gallon over, not gonna. Have it anymore, so you know, even before President Trump is confront directly with the question of stay or bone in Paris accords, there's a whole set of efforts that the President and his administration set in lotion that really mean that whether or not the United States stays in Paris or not. It's going to be very difficult to meet the kind of pollution reduction standards. President Obama had envision so in some ways the ultimate decision. Becomes less dramatic because he's already moving in these other direction. So I want to talk about the people around downtown When he comes into the White House. He assemble a team of advisers. That seems,
We divided on the Paris climate agreement. How do these different camps break down right? So you essentially have two different concerns that have been fighting from literally day one, because even as we ve all been not paying attention to Paris inside the White House, they knew this was come. No, you had steep ban and the chief strategist and Skype prove. Who is that? yea, administrator or Paris, is something that we need to really look at closely but have been in the camp that has been literally true. Every single day, since President Trump was elected, is something we need to accept my bad deal for America. It was an american second, third or fourth kind of approach, China to maneuver him to a place where he pulls out of this accord. They're both deeply suspicious but what should they d jobs, action to the Paris agreement that that America was put last? They think that being in the court gives some legal backing?
the environmentalists, who won the United States to make good on all those promises that President Obama had made. So they argue, we gotta make a clean break weak points the accord. Then we don't have to do any of this crap that present Obama wanted us to do but on the other side you had a whole series of advisers who were more attuned to a couple of things, one? They are more two to the environmental concerns those people like a vodka trump, his daughter and Jared Krishna, her husband, but also people who were more attuned to the kind of global diplomatic, and commercial. Reality scenario in the head of the any see the National Economic Council understands the concerns of glow we'll see, egos apple, Intel, etc, who won
the operate around the world who do operate around the world, but wanted a consistent set of concerns surrounding and the environment climate, and this helped provide that certainty and the diplomats. The people I and the State Department Rex Tiller, send the people in the National Security Council who understood that part of PLO Missy part of building up relationships both with adversaries and with allies around the world, means doing these kinds of cooperative things. It is important that the biggest a hundred ninety countries, or thereabouts shine on to begin, do take action. They were better served by being at that table than leaving that table. So these folks, around President Trump inside the White House, understood that that outbreak That agreement has the potential to do a lot of damage beyond the climate issue, but just generally to the relationships with the United States has with other countries. So Michael, what did the final days these past three or four days
of these deliberations, and it sounds like kind of open warfare in the White House. Look like yeah what it really was. You know it started basically when he came back on Saturday night from the long trip overseas he treated out. I'm gonna make my Paris decision next week, so that sort of started a kind of clock or it, and you know it was a gun fire get up at the beginning of a race. Nobody knew that we were kind of in that final stretch from the moment he landed and got back to the White House, there was just a kind of all out, effort by ban and improve it and those folks on that side to try to keep him. Why They sort of thought he already was which was to pull out, and there was a kind of crazed effort by the people who, I wanted him to stay in to turn a lobby him. The other way that kind of culminated on Tuesday, where it leaked out that the present made up his mind and human gonna pull out and the moment that reporter started what kind of following up on that myself included.
People from the other side started waving their hands and not at all. It's not done. It's not decided yet now, even as you know, hours before the announcement was to be made. There were people saying let look. We sort of nowhere. The decision is now, but worshiper still trying to tweak the language and out of mitigating it. Their hope was that, even as he withdraws that there would be- language that would soothe the concerns of some of the world leaders are some of the corporate leaders who had wanted him to stand Michael. Thank you very much. It solid correctly that the person covering a so are you.
Two other rose are now YAP, headed to the rose garden and then to a White House briefing where hopefully, will give us a little bit more detail about the actual policy and how it how it rules out and then back here to the bureau to write the story. The United States will withdraw from the Paris climate accord, court.
Thank you might begin. Negotiations to re enter either the Paris accord or in really entirely new transaction. What terms that are fair to the United States. Its business has its workers, its people, its taxpayers, so we're getting out, but we will start to negotiate and we will see if we can make a deal, that's fair, and if we can that's great and if we can't that's fine After the break, what happens next will be right back I am Kristen minds are and I'm the cost of innovation uncovered anew podcast the world.
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called my colleague Brad Plumber, who is cover a global climate negotiations for the past decade. There is a formal process within the Paris Climate agreement that allows any country to withdraw that actually takes four years where you have to give a year's notification than it takes three years, so we won't officially be out of the accord until November. Fourth, twenty twenty third day after the next election. If a new administration want to come in and rejoin the agreement, they certainly come but that's all in the future. Ok, the president said that he will begin we negotiating this agreement. He is starting to withdraws from immediately is actually something that can be done. So likely they cannot renegotiate? We ve already seen France, Germany, ITALY, come out with his statement saying,
we're not doing this all over again, we not together in Paris in twenty fifteen. We negotiate this big agreement that we're not going back and reopening it up again, and it seems unlikely that the? U S could offer anything to entice those countries to ash. They agree to renegotiate the process. They already see that the United States, the Trump administration, is not here is about climate change, and this Paris Climate agreement was basically structured in a way to accommodate the unites needs. The United States did not want something that would be binding. And now suddenly they ve seen a. U S, president just decide to pull out entirely. So yeah really does seem like their quite upset. About this whole thing, we will succeed because we are fully committed, because wherever we leave. Whether we are. We all share the same responsibility to make our planet
the game bread. You started to answer this by suggesting that foreign countries dont want to renegotiate the Paris climate accord with the. U S, but present trumps said that if he can, we negotiate this, he wants a deal, It is fairer for the United States and ensures that the? U S. Pay more Indus deal than other countries as president I can. No other consideration before the well being of american citizens, the Paris
I'm an accord is simply the latest example of Washington entering into an agreement that disadvantages the United States to the exclusive benefit of other countries, leaving american workers, who I love and taxpayers to observe the coursed in terms of lost jobs, lower wages, shuddered factories and vastly diminished economic production. Is that achieve a wall? I mean from what the President said that basically sounds like the existing Paris climate agreement grade. It said largely non binding, voluntary agreement where the? U S can propose whatever it wants to do on climate change, and there are no penalties for falling short. That was
call structure of the agreement. So it's not clear how you could renegotiate the accord to actually reflect what the present was saying. What he was saying basically describes the peristyle already does so. It sounds like you're saying that the president laid out an indictment of a deal that already did the same. Is he says he wants in a new renegotiate, a yeah To wait. Has officials had a background briefing after his presentation, where alive different reports tried to press them on what would renegotiation mean? What you actually want to push for? What you want change and the responses were extremely vague. I'm not sure they have a clear picture of what they actually want. So the president said that there would Be immediate economic benefits for the United States once we withdraw from this agreement, especially for industries like coal mining, for power plants for manufacturing. You cover this
really closely. Does that strike you as as accurate, where you hear from alive call analysed our people in the industry is that there are much bigger issues that their facing than the Paris Club agreement cause gain crushed by cheaper natural gas is being affected by domestic regulations. There is nothing about a non binding agreement that would affect the coal industry much one way or the other and fetch. You actually saw a lot of coal companies want to stay in the Paris climate awards. We want fair treatment for its citizens and we want fair treatment for our taxpayers. We don't want other leaders, in other countries laughing at us anymore, and they won't be they won't be. I was elected to represent. The citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris. Let me say: first, I heard
He was not supporting the Paris agreement and I was pretty upset in there started getting a lot of questions about his reference to Pittsburgh on Thursday, after not long after President Trump said he was fighting for cities like Pittsburgh by withdrawing from the climate agreement, the mayor of Pittsburgh spoke out bill. Purdue do said as the mayor of Pittsburgh, I can assure you that we will follow the guidelines of the Paris agreement, for our people economy and future and In a rare statement, former President Barack Obama said that the U S head quote, joint and full of nations that reject the future. The daily is produced by Theo, Malcolm Lindsey, Garrison, Rachel Quest, her and Andy Mills. Lisa Tobin is executive producer, Samantha Hennig, is our editorial director. Our theme, you
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