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Joe Biden Takes the Lead

2020-11-05

By the end of election night, the results in six key states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — were still to be called.

On Wednesday, as mail-in ballots were totaled up, Joe Biden gained ground, taking Michigan and Wisconsin and placing him within striking distance of the Electoral College votes needed to win the White House.

The count is still in progress in many places. Mr. Biden is leading by a decent margin in Arizona and slightly in Nevada, while President Trump’s advantage in Georgia and Pennsylvania has been narrowing.

As the former vice president formed paths to victory, Mr. Trump continued to raise the specter of litigation and escalated his baseless attacks on the legitimacy of the vote.

Guest: Alexander Burns, a national political correspondent, speaks to us about the latest on an unfinished election.

For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily

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continue to be counted a hundred and sixteen thousand and change absentee ballots that are still outstanding, there's still a million balance. That has yet to be counted. What was left was early vote. How did earlier votes you very heavily democratic Joe Biden Sleep in the electoral college, expanse fighting I'm painting I very hopeful that they can hold onto the states where, currently leading right now they believe that's their path to the White House, the president's biggest battleground the court rooms in the states that will decide the presidential race and tromp files, a series of losses to try to block his path at present vow to go to the Supreme Court to dispute the election account if it comes to that, we turn once again to our exports for
the latest on an unfinished election. We are still in the back of a very heated contest. It's Thursday November fifth Alex it felt for a moment tonight that America, all of us potentially were going to have a full, fledged call of the projected winner of this election, and then nothing will. It certainly seemed like if some of the out standing votes and the most closely divided states were to break for Joe Biden all at once. We would be position to say yeah this guy's gonna be the next president. That didn't quite happened doesn't mean is not going to happen. Just didn't happen all at once and as uniform.
way as it would have taken for us to actually call this thing in the states that are still outstanding, and it's very possible that we will do that. When in the We hours of the morning or some time on Thursday right right, these tend to happen in the magical hours of midnight, six a m or as we call them, on the daily the nightmare hours rocket. Exactly so, let's talk through what happened today on Wednesday, because a lot has happened Alex since we last talk to you that many hours ago and when we woke up on Wednesday Biden, was ahead in the electoral college, not by all that much and there were Six battleground states that have yet to be called in its still felt legitimately up in the air and with
having said that it is ten p m and things could change. Let's talk about those states rights, you're, talking about three states in the North Wisconsin Michigan Pencil. ain't Georgia, George in the southeast and then out, West Nevada and Arizona. The last time we spoke, none of those states had been called just. There were too many standing votes, particularly in the northern swing states too many mail in votes are they had not yet been tabulated, and so we ended. Election night with a significant degree of uncertainty Wednesday became much more definitive and, in most cases, a more favourable for Joe Biden, let's start with the states where we ended up getting a farm call on Wednesday emmets begin with Wisconsin, so
Late into the night early in the morning, Wisconsin looked like a very very narrow, led for President Trump, but with a ton of male ballots. I not yet counted, particularly in the city and County of Milwaukee, which is very heavily democratic and a couple other apart the state that tend to lean a little bit too the Democrats. So we were looking at Wisconsin and sang the president's ahead biology but their. But is that going to stand up for him when the rest of the vote comes in? And the answer is that it didn't Biden went from being down by a couple percentage points to buy just over twenty thousand votes. out of more than three million cast in the states of that very narrow victory margin, but a job I notations right, that's day was called for him. I was the first major call,
Wednesday, four by men, are in a real sign that those blue all states that the president flipped from the democratic column, to the Republican call him back and twenty sixteen were not all going to break his way time and how does that result? Twenty thousand or so vote led for by numerous cotton. Has I compare to what happened in Wisconsin and twenty six We ve been monitoring. States like was concerned in the MID West, so closely is really quite similar to what happened in twenty sixteen, except the razor thin margin eyes typed in the other direction that the President one was concept a by in a knot of very different margin. But this time you at higher turnout in the walkie
you had better support for Joe Biden in the suburbs around the lucky held down some of his losses in more conservative part of the state, even just by a little and then Dane County, which has Madison very liberal area in Wisconsin, just blew it out in terms of turn out margins for Biden. So the president did quite well in terms of turning out his base in the state and he got more votes in Wisconsin this time. By a good gap, then he got and twenty team, but Joe Biden Improve, moreover, with the Democrats rebel do last time, and so how does the trunk campaign respond to this call that Biden Head one was called. Well, in a matter of hours, day announced that they are going to seek a recount in the state and Wisconsin law gives a candidate the right to do that if the margin is within one percentage point, but the catches that
unless it even tighter than that, then the candidate who asked will recount has to pay for it. So that is what the trunk campaigns says it is going to do. There is not really any precedent for recount making up a gap of twenty thousand plus ballots. In fact, you had Scott Walker, other former republican governor of the state say on Wednesday effectively. Paraphrasing that this is not the kind of marginal you can overcome. The recount in twenty six teen election Darcy was array count in was consummate the third party candidate Jill Stein, from the Green Party sawder recount in that vote, and when all is said and done, it only changed a hundred and thirty one balance which was not near. Enough to affect the outcome of a state that the present one four years ago. So the recount request, aside Wisconsin, we can now say, is in the Biden column in house. You have told us that and had very much needed away. from this cluster.
what states in that region that had done so well in four years ago, Wisconsin Michigan Pennsylvania, that's right! You know in a lot of ways the simplest way for binding to put together two hundred and seventy electoral college votes. To win those three states that you just mentioned to reassemble the blue wall of states that did not vote for republican Any presidential election for decades prior to twenty, sixteen that abiden can just tipp them back this time. That gets him where he needs to Speaking of the blue Wall, what happened neighbouring Michigan on Wednesday so Michigan is really the next domino to before we see a pretty similar dynamic there that going into Wednesday morning, the president had a lead that was actually wider than his lead in Wisconsin. But again you had a ton of mail in votes yet to be counted.
and it's worth stressing the reason why they were not counted yet was because of republican state legislators refused to change the law in the state accommodate the volume of male imbalance that were coming in so when you enter the day, the president is up by a big margin over binding again, but steadily over a period of ours are we saw that vote come in and for the state. To and actually more convincingly than in, Wisconsin Michigan is not a blow out for Joe Biden, but he ended up with a lead. Their of about a hundred and twenty thousand votes over president trap more than two full percentage points and with an outright majority of the vote in the state. So that's it quite a solid performance for him there and a sign that again,
and he was managing to tap into these historically democratic constituencies in this state to get the turn out that he needed in the cities and to win over some of those, maybe more moderate suburbs to offset the president's strength in rural areas. So we get a call in Michigan a little bit later in the day on which the name, but you piece those two together and you're, starting to get pretty encouraging picture of those northern swing states, for Vice President Biden, when Michigan is called right after Wisconsin one after the other. It's starting to feel right, like binds. Paths to victory, are broadening trumps are really starting to narrow. That's right. Once you get Michigan, that's when Joe Biden is really within a striking distance of two hundred and seventy electrons
votes where he doesn't need a whole lot more to break his way in order to lock up this election, and I think that's when you start to see the president really escalate and his rhetoric attacking the legitimacy of the vote, on baseless grounds, is when you start to see him ratchet up his litigation threats that there's a lawsuit filed in Michigan demanding greater access to vote counting sites for election observers. Again. This is just sort of a tactic at sea, to insinuate that there's something questionable going on in one strike: Seeing you saw a group of pro Trump protestors verge on a bow accounting site in detail. I am not an enormous group, but a sizeable enough to draw noticed that you saw some of them trying to get access to the facility. Some of them chanting stop the count and
really a vivid expression of the kind of frustration and anger, and even maybe desperation that you are seeing from the president's supporters in places where Biden is doing well, where they didn't expect to see by do so well, and something perhaps have flowed from the president's rhetoric anything for for many people, especially of a certain generation. I count you and me among them that a me we were called a now famous republican protest after the two thousand John. In Florida, outside of a vote counting centre where republican voters believe something nefarious was going on when in fact, there wasn't right- and I think that one of the key differences, just both politically and substantively floor and two thousand was genuinely balanced on a knife edge you're talking about difference of a few hundred votes,
Michigan you're talking about tens and tens of thousands of votes, so once Wisconsin and Michigan both go to buy. Where mathematically does that leave the electoral college situation? Well, it leaves Joe Biden with two hundred and fifty three electoral college votes and the biggest prize available today, It is just a little bit to the east of Mister, Graham Pennsylvania, away. again, this is a state where the president was way up in the election day vote, and where Biden has closed rapidly on as male in ballots from around the state have been tabulated on Wednesday morning when the press, was ahead of Biden by well over six hundred thousand votes why you numbers cute
members in a normal election where people had voted again a pretty uniform way in terms of procedure. You would look at six hundred thousand vote, lead in Pennsylvania and say that is probably cooked, that trumpets and great shape in that state, but as the mail and balance have been tabulated, they have been going for Biden by just staggering margins has doubting forty. Fifty sixty points in some parts of the state, and so you have seen him close. The gap really really quickly. So, as we are speaking now his down by about a hundred and eighty thousand votes, and that is with a considerable vote, laughter report and the city of Philadelphia, an alligator accounting which Our Pittsburgh is located and those are counties that are expected to go quite strongly for binding. I feel in an election when a lot of predictions and poles were quite off the one per
Action that has truly borne out here is the one about mail about. We were told by people like you that This is exactly what was going to happen in states like Pennsylvania. There was going to be this red Mirage, the appearance of a major trump lead on election day. That would be slow, but surely eroded once the mail and ballots were counted and I guess I'm now better understanding the prison unique displeasure with male and balloting well, sort of strange, because the President displeasure with male in balloting may have discouraged republican voters from taking advantage of it as an and may have helped drive. This enormous gap between the margins of the president has, with election day. Voters in a state like Pennsylvania and the margins, the Joe Biden putting up with people who voted by May. Also, as you say, though, this was very foreseeable.
And foreseen that this is how the little count would unfold and so while the same pattern with melon balloting is playing out, in Pennsylvania. The way did in Wisconsin Michigan We do not, however, have a call of Pennsylvania. That's right! I think we are likely to get a call as soon as Thursday, probably Friday at the latest. But this is such a crucial decision for the people who make these kinds of assessments for news organisations, because if Joe Biden wins Pennsylvania, this elections over he's an ex president. There are so many letters votes there. They put him right over the edge he's at two. Fifty three right now without Pennsylvania, worthy other outstanding states. Pennsylvania has twenty electoral college votes, so you do that arithmetic and it gets you
to a majority and the electoral college. I do think that partly why folks are likely to be somewhat cautious about calling Pennsylvania, because if you caught for Biden, you are calling the whole action or the way back. traditional medicinal looks to the earth for all her healing gifts. They believe that plants can do some pretty amazing things. That's why they use medicinal greater herbs like an Asia, eucalyptus and ginger in their teeth, to help soothe and support your body. Naturally everyone way we turn mother nature. Is there to remind us that she's got our back visit, traditional medicinal dot com and use code and mighty twenty to see what makes their tease so incredible.
So how's tells her what happened in the non Pennsylvania, battleground states that were still left to be called on Wednesday, Arizona, Georgia and Nevada. So Let's put Arizona and Nevada and a category together, because these are both states where Biden is leading by a recent, but not overwhelming margin in Arizona by a very small margin in Nevada and We're just waiting on the remaining votes, which are a combination mostly of mail in votes and provisional balance in Nevada and then some additional information voting in Arizona. So these are states where we have almost the opposite thing happening that we see
of North, where Arizona is a state where Biden jumped out to dig lead, he performed very well in the votes that were tabulated first and, in fact, did so well that on election night you had Fox news call the state for him not that long after you had. This is press call the state for him and that's a pretty solid expression of confidence on the part of some pretty serious people buying will ultimately carry this state but what we have been watching as the president. slowly, whittled down binds lead there. That was expected to happen. Nobody who has called the state for Biden has retracted that call the times just hasn't, quite gotten there yet and the back of the napkin math is it the president needs to win pretty close to or perhaps a bit more than, sixty per cent of the remaining vote in order to overrun by not impossible. But that's a state worthy rather be
Fine, then trot Nevadas a little bit of a question mark because we don't have quite as good a picture of where the remaining votes are and what they are. The Marge, and there is so then right now, less than ten thousand votes separating the candidates that you can't be fully confident of anything when things were that close now, these states are so important together, because, if you combine them and they go for Biden that also ends the election. that he can do roughly the same thing by holding onto his leads in the, in Arizona that he would accomplish by taking Pennsylvania, would actually put him exactly at two hundred and seventy electoral college votes to win those to western states announced. Finally, what about George? What happened there on Wednesday? Well, this is maybe the most fascinating state on the map.
Right now, as of one thousand and fifty p dot m when we're talkin right now. But ninety five percent of the estimated votes have been counted in the state, so there's not very far left to go president, is up by only seven tenths of a percentage point, little more than thirty thousand votes out of nearly five million cast and based on what we know about where the remaining votes are, they do appear to be in pretty heavily democratic, leaning areas, so This would be a big one. If Biden were to overtake the president- and I spoke to two different people- one Democrat one or public- and both of them watching that stay closely, whose it's gonna be within ten thousand votes, one way or the other of them want to bet on which way that was going to be. This be a big deal, be the first time a democratic One, Georgia in a presidential elections, Bill Clinton and nineteen ninety two and it does seem like they have succeeded in making Georgia
competitive as it has been a presidential race, since universe has been a reporter The question is, and it is changing by the hour in some cases, by the minute whether Biden is to be able to make up those last thirty thousand or so votes from a pool maybe a hundred thousand votes remaining so with all this in mind. All these developments in these six states on Wednesday lay out Best you can, and with all the sorry caveats the chances of both candidates. At this stage will, I think, you have to consider Biden, pretty solid favorite if for no other reason than the Pennsylvania does seem like, it will end up in his call on the Democrats. Just supremely confident in that state their confidence in turn out to be misplaced, but if it isn't, this race is over
so based on that alone, you'd rather be Biden, then the president, I don't think there's no chance for President Trump to mount to come back here. It's just that. We have now reached the point in the vote counting process where he needs nearly everything to break his way. And binding needs one or at most two things to break his way and based on the vote, counting that we saw throughout the day on which day. It doesn't seem like were in an environment where everything is going to break the president's way at the last minute. This calculation, that you just articulated has to be behind some of the maneuvers from the press, that legal rhetorical, and otherwise these lawsuits these efforts to pause counting or we count
and I'm wondering if any of these tactics have a real shot of doom what they on paper are intended to do. You know, I think, in order for the president to get anything actually constructive out of these tactics. We would need to wind up with a Florida in two thousand like situation in one or more states where the count isn't just slow, but that the final tally is almost comically, narrowly split. between the two candidates there right now, the only state that looks like I would have a realistic chance of ending up. There would be a maybe a Jew there may be a Nevada. Neither of those is essential to Abiden victory map. So it's not really clear to me that this all adds up to an actual strategy, as much as a whole lot of hand waving aimed at getting
supporters to see him as a sort of aggrieved victim rather than somebody who pretty soon might have lost an election. But even if these tactics are effective in their intended goal to change the outcome of the election or even to slow an outcome in this election, that's for Biden. It does feel like it may have a side effect or perhaps even intended effect of undermining April Elect Joe Biden in the eyes of present Trump supporters, and I think you'd want to look much further than that protest of his supporters in Detroit as evidence that it's starting to Do that I think, are totally right and I think it's a serious concern for sport. the larger or social and political fabric of the country that the president in throwing out all of these complaints, have
baseless about the way the elections being conducted is certainly giving people who don't want to accept the reserve lots of an election that ends in Joe Biden, winning a permission, slip a pretext for doing so, and did we here on Wednesday from Joe Biden himself, and what did he have to say about all this? We did I'm not here to declare that we won. But I am here to report with account is finished. We believe we will be the winners. He gave remarks that were not the sort of brazen attempt to say this thing is over and I have one that we heard from the President on election night, but that essentially laid out map and the math as he sees it, and now after a long night of county is clear that were one you enough states. Three, two hundred seventy electoral votes needed to win the presence and says you know we expect that when this is over and we will-
won the election and he did not go after the president by name. We have to stop treating our opponents as enemies. We are not enemies, but he was pretty clearly a statement intended to push back on the kind of rhetoric that you're here right now from the White House. The present the presidency itself is not a partisan institution. Is the one office in this nation represents everyone demands a duty of care for all America. Does precisely what I will do well. Thank you. I believe the next time we talk. Perhaps there will be a definitive outcome of the selection, but even if it's not onto it all afford to touch him thanks
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