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Special Edition: The Pandemic Reaches the President

2020-10-02

He assured the country the coronavirus would “disappear” soon. Then he tested positive. We explore how President Trump testing positive for the coronavirus could affect the last days of the 2020 race — and consider what might happen next.

Guests: Peter Baker and Maggie Haberman, White House correspondents for The Times.

For more information about today's episode, visit: nytimes.com/thedaily.

This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
From the New York Times unworkable borrow. This is less special episode of the daily today the disease that has infected millions of Americans and killed more than two hundred thousand has now reached the president. I spoke with my colleagues, White House correspondents, Peter Baker and Maggie Haberman it's Friday afternoon October. Second,.
Maggie Peter. Thank you for making time for us in the middle of a very big and very fast moving story. I should say that it is around four o clock. Things about this story may keep changing throughout the day, but at this point, what exactly do we know about the president's health? At this point, we know that he is symptomatic were told that the symptoms are mild. One person described them to me is like a cold, including symphony
that he was exhibiting yesterday. There have been discussions at the White House very early this morning and then later into the morning about the possibility of the president, giving some sense to the public that he's fine and the government is continuing in that he is leading so far. That has not happened later. He was supposed to get in the car with governors around the country to discuss the corona virus and vulnerable seniors entreating man, and he abruptly was not on account of your where was my prince. Who was all they were more questions than answers about how he is right now, but of course the President is in a vulnerable age bracket. So this is a serious situation, the eyes very serious
age. Seventy four he's in the most vulnerable category, eight out of ten death. We ve seen any nice days from the corona virus have been people of sixty five an older and, while mostly will get it at that age do recover. The risk factors go up if there are what they call Como abilities. Co. Morbidity is being things like your weight. In this case, the present is classified. by his weight officially as obese. That will be a risk factor for him so worrisome thing for anybody and optically worrisome. Obviously, when the present nice days has a disease that has been so tormenting for so many people, so let's talk about how we came to know the President Trump had the virus. My understanding is that it was a somewhat round about process. I wonder if you both can walk us through that. So Michael, we didn't learn that the president has the corona virus until very early Friday morning. The reasons that there were questions about whether he had it was that one of his senior advisers, a person who is constantly
round him, hope eggs tested positive earlier on Thursday. That was not information. The white has AIDS wanted out. They had tried, keeping in quiet to their credit to reporters at Bloomberg. News broke the story and made public and from there it became very hard for the White House to keep it under wraps, but there are still a lot of an answer. Questions Michael. We don't know when the president was tested at what time whether he took more than one test. when he first started experiencing symptoms again or a lot of this is still just unknown, and what do we know about the exposure of the president and of whole picks the kind of background that preceded either of them testing positive well. Obviously, this is something people are still trying to research and figure out. What did o picks given to the president and the president, give it a whole picks any these things our possible with there are. A number of positive results were now learning about from key.
who were at saturdays and that at the White House announcing the presence nomination of Aimee Coney Barrett Supreme Court. I want to thank the member of the Senate. We have so many of the mere today. Thank you very much Lee. Who is there now confirm, he's disappeared, the president noted Dame who was there, has now tested positive. Obviously, the present wholesale interesting grocer joined by Amy's has been Jesse. Thank you, Jesse re emerge and their seven beautiful children Congratulations. I was one person who was on the plane, followed that event, when the present went off to a rally has now tested positive. So I think a lot of attention now is being paid to that Saturday Evanna, whether that was one of a spreader moment for this virus Thus, as well, are the first lady First lady You know how many people were at that event, along with vice president, might beds it is amazing, wife, Karen! Thank you very much. I don't know
sure I mean I was. There was a number of people in the rose garden because it was outdoors. People had the assumption that it would be no safer than indoors, but people most people there would not wearing masks with getting awfully to each other. In a number of cases, I think some people were seems shaking hands and Nudo. Getting close social distancing, of course, has not been a priority for this way, a massive, not even not a priority, but almost actively discouraged in this White House and so The fact that was our doors of that was sort of a case study what public health people? What are you not to do so Maggie tell us about what happens once this news breaks in Bloomberg, news about the fact that all tax has the virus Michael initially, there was an effort by white, has AIDS to try to avoid confirming they were train from allowing the news to spread that became untenable after very short amount of time and then started this grand
about what was going on with the president, the President of the United States, the lower level over the president around seven thirty on Thursday night did I tell a town hall with voters in Iowa would burst of ours Our opponents will crush american thriving in. We are thriving as a nation, we're thrive and his voice was noticeably love and sounded. Unlike him, president, Neither states is on our news, make ally! Mr President, thank you for being with us. I know you ve been busy all night. Thank you for taking the time. Thank you very much to thank you eat indeed an interview was shown Hannity on Fox NEWS were again his voice sounded off by the way some news broke earlier this evening, whole pigs very few a long time is tested positive for corona virus anymore
interview with Sean Hannity, he confirmed, did hope. Hicks had tested positive, an express surprise, don't use tremendous. I was a little surprised, but she's very warm person. She has a time when soldiers and law enforcement come up comes up. Do you know she wants to treat them great, not say stay away? I can get near you did he appeared to blame law enforcement or a soldier who she had come in contact with outside of the White House who wanted to be near her, forgetting her sick. He then tweeted that he was going to begin the quarantine process and he was awaiting testing
results that was at around ten forty five p m, and then we got the test result after that, but the lack of communication from the White House with reporters during that time was pretty profound. Do we know if the president potentially exposed anyone after he and the people around him, understood that whole picks and tested positive and therefore that he might also have the virus yeah? That's a great question actually good morning, obviously Mark meadows told us today I can tell you, in terms of hope, pigs. We discovered that right as the Marine one was taking off yesterday, we actually that they learn about hope. This is positive test results on Thursday, just as they were getting. I'm really want to fly into Jersey for a fund raising event at the president's dead Minster Golf club. He went ahead without it even though that they knew that OPEC's was positive and therefore they had some risk of being pause of themselves. There were a couple of people there. I think
He knows better than I do who are both, wars and indoors. Some proximity, the president, that pointed up day we'll have reached up dates, I'll, be glad to do that, but any others. Civic zealously, rolling programme, so the chief of staff is acknowledging that that he and the present understood that going to a fundraiser might mean exposing people. Correct they knew that they were letting the president go into a crowd with other people when he had been exposed to hope pigs. We don't know exactly when he started feeling sick himself, but he went off into the exact opposite of what is on government recommence. People should do in that situation and impure yours student of government. Let's walk through all the scenarios that could play out under these pretty extraordinary circumstances a month before the election. In the event that the present issues for covering in the coming weeks, what happens? How would
change how he fulfils his presidential duties. If, at all, what happens to the campaign? Well, weird, I really extraordinary times to be happening for any president. He's thirty two days away from election, he had a relatively robust schedule of campaign. Rallies is already had a cat his appearance. At one afforded a day. We have one it was causing tomorrow another and errors on Monday that he or won't be here, and I think that this just frozen I'm paying up into the air. The decks debate is October. Over fifteenth will he be able to make that are not we don't know, assuming he's not terribly sicker recovers fast. You know, he'll still be off the campaign trail for possibly a couple weeks you imagine our doctor. If obviously is worse than that, he could be off the campaign trail all the way up to the election. We ve known of that a number of people who recovered but still took a long time to get their strength back and get past the. The after effects backing down terms was duties as long as he is able to discharge them? Them can do them from the the residence it doesn't have to shoulder. The old.
office every day that no requirement it. For some reason. He guessed it where he feels like he cannot discharges duties, then that that's worth twenty four, the member comes in under the twenty four amendments, can sign a letter to the speaker of the house in the Senate. President protests transferring his powers temporarily to the vice president. That would last for as long as the president decided they would last now. That's only happened three times since that amendment was ratified and nineteen sixty seven once under Reagan, twice under George W Bush, all three cases where the present with Anna Stacy for like a call and ask if he and they for a couple hours transferred their powers. We ve never had a circumstance like this, where president was facing an illness that I'm certain you know, intensity and duration, where this has been an issue so we're not at that stage yet, but that's what would happen if things got bad and sustained just a moment longer in this scenario, where the president is sick, but he's recovering, we also have a supreme court.
nation under way. What do we know about how this might affect that proceeding, especially given what you have just told us about this Saturday event at the White House. It involve key figures involved in that nomination. Confirmation, including Senator MIKE Lee, who is on the Judiciary Committee and, of course, Amy Coney, their herself yea Mc Lean, Baron ourself has been tested and she is negative. We're told her or pours out there that she had previously actually harm. The corona virus and recover, so she would presumably have some immunity asked the theory, of course, on these things, but she had been meeting with a lot of senators and I think, a lot of uncertainty at this point. The Republican certainly would like to proceed with the Supreme Court confirmation, regardless of what is happening here,
but this will add one more note of uncertainty to an already rushed process that was gonna, be challenging republicans under the present circumstances and enriches quickly tick. Few other known test results that you too have learned in the past few hours. Might pence has tested negative, that's correct Joe Biden has tested negative, yes as or anybody else whose results have just come in or we are awaiting. Roy I'm a gang of the Republic and National Committee chairmen is tested positive. She was last with the present we understand last Friday, which would have been the day before this announcement of these been court nomination by most of the others who have tested himself who are close to present in the last few days have, for the moment at least tested negative, including the chief of staff that vice president, these treasures. Secretaries, such state care, cushion Ernie Vodka Trot Baron trumps, eyeball tested negative. So far. Ok, you have taken us through this in areas if the present
is recovering from the virus and it remains pretty mild and a delicate question, but one that I think is on a lot of people's minds, is, if the president, or to become very sick if the president, or to succumb to the virus at this late stage of the campaign, what happens just jestingly hundreds of thousands of Americans already started casting their ballots. Early voting has begun what would happen to his nomination, the eyes The question is a real explore territory. We ve never experiences that a presidential level. My understanding is that for the public, National Committee has the power to declare another category
so they need to do that. But, as you point out, ballots had been printed and many many have already been cast, which would then raise all sorts of questions, and I think that where's pilot you there's even as we speak, I think you would presume if, for some reason, the present weren't able to complete the election cycle, that public is almost certainly put in my pants. I would imagine I dont know how that would affect values that have already been cast if they review pass about. Four thousand in my pants does that ballot get counted for pants as a candidate for present or orders get thrown out? I dont know the answer to that question right now, and it's a little confusing at this point. We have to hope. Obviously it doesn't come to that.
I want talk to you about that conspiracy theories that have been flying around on both sides. They started almost immediately early this morning when news broke. Is there anything to say about that? So look. There has been a pretty persistent buzz on the internet and in my inbox from smart, educated people asking does he really have the corona virus? Could this be some kind of an effort to distract from something house, or could he be lying? How do you know he really has it? I think that this is a reflection, unfortunately, of the disorienting effect that this White House, his constant falsehoods and lies, has had on the general public, but to be clear, there is absolutely no reason to believe that the white houses in on a giant conspiracy to pretend that the president who considers sickness to be a sign of weakness, sick,
Maggie as someone who covers this president, this White House so closely. What are you thinking at this moment? I'm thinking that this is in Us Donna, Sheng and yet somewhat predictable end to this year. How did you know how well look? Obviously I and I think everybody else hopes at the President, the first lady and hope, Hicks get better and get better quickly and recover fully. It is awful for anybody to be diagnosed with this virus, but the president has at almost every turn played down. The threat of virus. He was doing it as recently as yesterday. He has made fun of Joe Biden for wearing a mask and taking precautions like laying low and or people around the president colluding, I would say the campaign manager He demoted Brad Pascal who were really concerned. He was gonna, get sick, and that
back in March, and that is what has happened now and Peter as someone who covers the presidency as an institution and has for decades are you thinking in this moment. Well, I'm thinking that will once again in a position that we haven't seen in modern times. How many instances have we seen in the four years of the term presidency where we are confronting something we had never really fully experience before here we are again just thirty two days out from an election where the present who has contracted an illness that has killed two thousand of his fellow countrymen in a virus that here alpha downplayed is Maggie just said so much just do last night he gave a speech. It is a profound honour to address to seventy four of the annual out Smith dinner for generations, this wonderful event, Then a revered institution in New York in New York life to the US military via video. As president, I want to thank YE catholic Community for the magnificent generosity showed in America's hour of need. We mourn for all of those
who lost a loved one and in their memory we will defeat the virus through advances in treatment. We have reduced the fatality rate by eighty five percent since just April, we're on track to develop and distribute a vaccine before the end of the year and may be substantially before, and I want to send the end of the pandemic is inside. The end is in sight, and next year will be one of the greatest years. In the history of our country, so the idea that now he has caught the virus that he himself spent so much time down playing, is an extraordinary situation and it is all kinds of questions, and I obviously abandons the election campaign that we thought we were covering it up. Bans the this stage of the presidency in a way that we can fully compromise the point or predict
Maggie Peter. Thank you very much. I know we will be back in touch with you both. Thank you. Thank you, Michael on Friday afternoon, the times reported that President Tromp was headed to Walter Reed Hospital in Maryland, where he was expected to remain for several days. This day was described by the President's press secretary as being quote out of an abundance of caution. Earlier in the afternoon, the President's Doktor Shaw
Conway had released a memo saying that the president was fatigue but in good spirits and had received a single infusion of an experimental trip and antibody cocktail and that he was also taking vitamin d, zinc, melatonin aspirin and perhaps it how Speaker Nancy Policy, who would be third behind vice president- might pets to step in and eat the country in the event it became necessary has now also tested negative for the corona virus. That's it for now, I'm like a Babar I'll, see you on Monday.
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