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Unprecedented decision by the f b I to search the home of former president donald trump, I spoke with my colleague senior political correspondent, maggie haberman, it's Wednesday august tenth maggie. Can you describe what happened on monday at mar a lago? midmorning around ten a m. Several federal agents descended on moral logo, trumps, private club and home. This gilded gold elaborate club that he is owned for decades and they began to search the rooms, They searched the property over several hours well into the afternoon. People close to trump claimed there were about two dozen agents. They started out. Looking in a storage room in the basement of the club, then they moved on to his office, which was built after the,

presidency. On the second floor of the club, looking almost like a mini presidential suite with a giant desk that looks like the resolute desk in the oval office day, cracked into a hotel style safe. Had there, and then they moved on to his residence. Ultimately f b. I left with several boxes, no trouble not at mar a lago? He was in the york area and, at some point, while this was going on son Eric, who is the main point of contact for a lot of these trump businesses learned what was happening and he was the one who called- his father and told him tat. The fbi was on their property and what is trumps barnes when he learns about this f b. I search at this property of small president Donald time says the fbi is searching- is more a logo estate. In florida, the former president put out a statement just minutes ago trumped from put out a statement based

around the time. The search ended scores, creating federal officials for searching his property quote. These are dark times for our nation s, beautiful home, mar a lago in palm beach? Florida is currently under siege raided and occupied by a large group of F b. I agents. Nothing like this has ever happened to a president of the united states before saying this is something that hasn't been seen before in america, describing it again as he has. Every investigation he's faced as a witch hunt and its prosecute toilets, conduct the web innovation of the justice system and an attack by radical left democrats who desperately don't want me to run for as an end in twenty twenty four and insisting that this is the work of political foes who want to keep him from running in twenty twenty four. What is the difference between this and watergate? Were operatives broke into the

were cracked national committee here in reverse. Democrats broke into the home of the forty fifth president of the united states and once the president issues that statement, which, as I recall, was the moment that most of us found out that this was even occurring. What is the reaction from the broader world though it was seismic. It was an eruption on the left or now hearing from some democrats now. Who appear to be celebrating this apparent rate of the fbi more. There was an intense level of glee for a lot of Democrats who have wanted to see trump investigated or prosecuted for a very long period of time. You were hearing from representative erics wall well of california, who said the rule of law, is taking shape and accountability

coming? They didn't need to know the details to be happy and jerry nibbler. The chairman of the house judiciary committee, responded to these breaking news headlines with just one word: good exclamation point on the right that unprecedented fbi search of the former presidents home is triggering a political firestorm. It had a galvanizing effect. First, a dark day for our republic did parliament, just as the rule of law, what looks to be potentially a shocking overreach that will have serious ramifications. Potential. For many many years to come. A number of politicians close to trump began to criticize the actions of the d o J Senator Mako Rubio wrote this the fbi, doing anything about the group's vandalized catholic churches, firebombing pro life groups, but they find time to re while mulatto again without knowing exactly what had taken place, fishes scare, the eleven daylights of american citizens, citizens, weak sky. The senator in Florida invoke the nazis by comparison,

the way or pharaoh burma has gone. It's it's like what we thought about the gestapo. people like there they just go after people and within hours. At the end of this search, swarm of protesters amassed near more alardo. My own opinion. I think it's another unjust, fade up thing like the impeachment hoaxes line administration, the Democrats, a weapon, I think the fbi It has thus far been denouncing the federal officials and insisting that trunk was the victim of an unfair effort against him. Maybe this is about as big as it gets. The fbi searching the home of the former president united states. Tromp was right, accounts when he called it unprecedented. It has never happened before and presumably the f b. I understood that it would provoke of her,

she s, partisan response. So why did the department of justice? Why did the fbi conduct this search? What was behind it you're right, Michael, that this was not done lightly and it came because when left the white house, as we all know very conscientiously, and the end of january? In twenty twenty one he took with him. Fifteen boxes cardboard boxes from the white house, residents stuffed with a mishmash of things papers, gulf balls, a raincoat, I'm told, but in there or documents that belong to the national archives. National archives officials need those documents as part of the presidential records act. Dna archives is where those are supposed to live, but they migrated with trump when he went to florida.

And there was a lengthy back and forth between national archives officials and trumps team about getting those boxes back and that back and forth lasted much of twenty twenty one and just to be clear about this back and forth. The national cards are saying hey. Perhaps this was a mistake. Perhaps you thought this was memorabilia, but under the law. We need those records international archives, you can't take them so kindly return them to us. That's exactly right. They were making clear that under the presidential records act, which is a watergate era, construction documents that are created by or received by a president related to his or her official duties are supposed to be preserved, no matter how small, the president might think they are, I'll get to what is happening with these fifteen boxes. As we understand it, they were.

allegedly returned. The archives got the boxes at some point earlier this year in two thousand and twenty two when they got the boxes, they started going through. What was there and they found many pages of documents marked classified hmm that took this to a different place, xx whether there are specific rules around the handling of classified material and who can see it and who can look at it and how it can be transported, and the fact that there were documents marked classified in these boxes raised all kinds of concerns for rural officials, but maybe, if trump return these documents. What's the big deal, it seems Michael, he didn't return all the documents. We know that in the spring to things happened. A grand jury started issuing subpoenas related to these documents and we know that counter intelligence officials

When down tomorrow, logo to surveillance, what may have still been there That is how we arrived at this moment where the f b, I went looking for specific pieces of paper on Monday maggie. Why would trumps so persistently hold onto these documents once it became clear that the government was demanding them back and was even starting to go so far as to enhance the grand jury to get them. So michael trump had a peculiar relationship with records throughout higher presidency he was known, threw out for tearing up pieces of paper that were supposed to be preserved under the presidential records act. Staff repeatedly talk to him about it. It didn't change, has behaviour. He tore

all manner of documents, people had to follow him around to get them to retrieve them, to tape them back up to tape them back up tape them back up. In some cases he ripped things up and threw them in the toilet and they ended up flushed down and just to be clear, flushing documents down the toilet, that's not legal! It depends what they are, but it's not normal. It's not proper at minimum. It's not good for the pipes. In a opening up opening up there were discussions among staff about whether to try to get him to use a burn bag, which is where you put documents that are properly disposed of, but that didn't really work and donald trump hazard, a decades old disinterest in keeping records and people taking notes, and he has a disregard for the rules that exist around record keeping.

And he just refused to change when he became president and saw no reason why he would have to. But then there were some pieces of paper that he was fascinated by so in the oval office as president. He would take letters that Kim Jong on wrote him, and even though these supposed to be very secret documents. He would waved them around and visitors as if these were souvenir or a prop, and he would look for their reaction. Those letters were said to be among the cachet of documents that me their way to mar a other pieces of paper, made there wait: a moral logo, but people weren't sure what they were, because trump four months would tell aids to bring things from the oval office to the residents pieces of paper, and there was no process for keeping track of it and aids would comply because he was the president, but that meant that at the end of his presidency, things got stuffed in these boxes and just took the flight

with him to come beach, so the national archives, which has demanded these documents under the law, would seem to have a few pretty logical fears to contend with here, not just that these documents are not where they're supposed to be, but that perhaps trump I'd, tear them up fastened down the toilet, marilla go on and on and on. They want these back. All of these reasons, Michael trumps, destructive tendencies with documents, his desire to treat things as part of a broader show, the lack of security if the calls it more a which has already been under scrutiny for the fact that people have tried to use proximity to the president there without security protocols to get near him All of this is why they want these documents back the me reason being they belong in the archives, they're, not donald trump, personal property and

the f b. I appears to have made the calculation that the only way to get this back was to swoop in on a day that trump was not there when get them by force and get them by force. The order at back.

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Thousands of court documents talking to lawyers. You know sifting through hours of footage that could reveal something about what happened that day. We knew without the help we can give our audience more context to understand january sixth, and that's what we do every day at the daily. Take you inside the story and help you understand the world. The work we do would it be possible without the expertise of times, reporters like Alan without them the daily wooden exist and without subscribers the new york times wooden exist. So if you're, not a subscriber, you can become one at and why time, suckin slash subscribed Thank you. Maybe you started to hinted this idea that security and mar a might be an issue and that you have a president with all these sensitive documents, some

them classified lying around mar a lago. What exactly do we think the fear was by the national archives by the f b? I with this scenario, among other concerns such as, who actually had. Security clearance around trump and who didn't moral ago is not known as the world's most secure place. It's a members club people can pay to join people can bring guests, they have to submit their names in order to attend, but there have been previous instances while trump was president, where people who were seen as security risks got too close to him, and so it appears. One of the fears for officials was that somebody could end up if not accessing, seeing or learning about mature.

Will they simply shouldn't right? I mean not to get to specific, but it sounds like the fear is that a spy from another country posing as a guest may their way into a private room and moral logo and snaps. A photograph of a classified that was taken from the white house. There would get into all wrong hands and come back to become, shall security risk the united states, if not the concern Michael, it certainly is a concern that is the kind of risk tromp was putting the government in by having possession of certain documents in this unsecured environment. Now, of course, everyone wants to know what specific kinds of documents are believed to be in his possession and are they had a guy arguments that pose this risk. Do we know anything. There is extremely little known about the nature of the classified material that was found.

But there is no way that it was not the significant. If the f b, I was breaking into a former presidents safe to retrieve it right there not opening a safe to look for the fourth draft of the speech she gave a rally. This is something of a more significant nature. Maggie do we know if the fbi, got what they were after in the search did they get the remaining documents from those fifteen boxes that the President never returned. We no that they were looking for possibly classified documents and presidential papers. According to a trump lawyer, We do not know whether they had a specific target in mind and met it, but we know again that they took several boxes of paper off the property got. It michaelis presume that these documents, some of them, are now back in the hands of an ash archives. Is that more or less the end of it?

Could there be legal consequences for tromp for having taken them out of the white house and kept them for so long? So, Michael, the presidential records act itself does not have teeth, but the mishandling of classified material can lead to other potential legal problems and there have been paid well, who have faced such problems in the past, key among them was sandy berger. He was a key national security aide to then president bill Clinton. He ended up pleading guilty to having taken classified documents from the archives and destroying them with scissors, and did he end up in jail? He did not serve jail time. He paid a fifty thousand dollar fine. Instead, he had to turn over his security clearance for three years and he had to cooperate with investigators. Now, a more recent example of an investigation into the possible mishandling of classified

cereal was related to Hillary Clinton and her email server in twenty fifteen and twenty. Sixteen right heller couldn't used a private email server rather than a government email server and therefore, in theory, classified emails or going to her home rather to a government server correct and we ended up happening was there was Lengthy investigation into her time when Donald trump was using that investigation as a political cudgel. We also need the best protection of classified information is the worst situation and suggesting that, because there were questions about her handling of classified information, that she should not be president pillars: bribery, rail scandal which put our classified information of the reach of our enemies, disqualifies her from the president's

and now you have donald trump facing some of those very same questions right so based on what you just said, maggie in theory, Donald trump could face some form of prosecution for actively mishandling classified documents or charged that wasn't brought against Hillary Clinton at the end of an investigation. But we don't know if it might be brought against trump. In theory. Mishandling classified information is something that prosecutors could look to charge donald trump with, depending on what the facts are and there's a lot that we still don't know. It would be pretty ironic, wouldn't it if trump were to be prosecuted, not for his role and inciting generous ex riot, not for his role, and

overturned the results of the toy election, both of which are under investigation by different branches of the federal government, but instead for simply walking out of the white house with a bunch of documents, Michael of all, of the things, the donald trump has been investigated for possible conspiracy between his campaign in russia to impeachment and ongoing investigations related to the january. Sixteen twenty twenty one riot at the capital that left several people dead, it would be ironic if this is what ends up sticking to donald trump for years, when Donald trump was a private business man, he used to say to the people who worked with him. It's the little things, get you compared to everything else. We just described this as a little thing

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