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many examining the january six attack on the. U S, capital will begin holding televised hearings this evening. One focus of those hearings is expected to be the proud boys of right wing group that was just indicted on federal charges of trying to overthrow the government for its role in the attack today. My colleague allan fire on the boys path to january six, the thursday june ninth. Surround what is the story of the proud boys? Where did this group come from the proud boys was founded in to them

in sixteen by a guy named Gavin mckinnis mcguinness, who is a canadian by birth, ended up moving to new york city, where he helped co found a company called vice. If you recall back on a day when vice started, it was kind of sex drugs and rock and roll magazine that sort of evelyn in being adventurous and highly offensive, and mcguinness came out of that. Edgy hipster. when culture got it so he ends up leaving vice under bad circumstances with his co founders, and if you ask them again as how the proud boys came into being, he will tell you

that when he left vice hello, everyone, my name is given the kid is welcome to the gavin. Mckinnis show the tsar DE started. A pod cast a kind of thing called the gaff mckenna show we're bringing back hedonism, stupidity, ugliness, we're getting rid of taboos, we're getting armed and we're having fun, and I hope you'll join me, and he would get together his friends, sometimes in the studio or elsewhere out in new york city, and they would sort of have a drinking club of like minded man this out and we started an organization in the so called the proud boys and we have. these meetings where there's blood that we just have one september Fifty guys show up. We take over the whole bar who get together. Has he once described it? me like the schriner is or the alps might do. We lock. People are too I'm proud boys cheer, you ass. They read from papua cannons death

was to sit around free of female companionship, drink beer and sort of grouse about their position in the world You feel this through normie of patron tourism going on here, especially with young men. Where they go, we try being ashamed of ourselves. We tried this sort of sabotage society thing. I think I'm going to enjoy my greatness now, that's where I live, but this idea that the crowd boys are merely a drinking club. It obscured something more serious. I may western chauvinist, I think the western culture is the best mckinnis, creates this slow nor he says you know. If you are going to join the club, you have to say I am a western chauvinist and I refuse to apologize for helping to create

modern world. Amazing that that's controversial. What does that mean the so mckinnis his view of the world? Is fat? Western culture has been wrongfully derided as sexist and racist by a kind of marxist liberal view of the way. Then he is out there to tell man. Feminism is about equality anymore. It's about taking masculinity away from men. They shouldn't be ashamed to be manly man, I mean western culture, where's pretty darn. Why are we he's out to tell white people? They should not have any kind of like race. All killed for being who they are. I'm just really tough king. The way you talk, but I'm not being shy about this rules becoming a dangerous place, and the only way to navigate. It is by not being careful not watching what you say.

And being really fucking offensive. So in some sense you could think about all of this. I am describing as phase wine of the past Why certainly that's the way mcguinness has described it as a kind of informal drinking club for dude, who feel put upon by modern liberal Culture got it, but what he does is he manages to tap into a larger angry male grievance, and that is kind of how the proud boys begin to develop, up a real world following and when you say male, green

and I immediately think of donald trump. So it's no coincidence right that the proud boys are essentially formed has trump is in the midst of his presidential campaign and what brings the proud boys out of their phase one informal stage into a much more politicize and, frankly, much more violent. It array and is when right wing celebrities like milo? He annapolis send an coulter. Do these pro trump conservative speaking tours had a lot of them are provocatively designed to appear on college campuses, and there is a cow your response to them by students violent test erupting overnight. It you see berkeley before this event could even began. It was shut down by the campus lot

more than a thousand people around against the appearance of a controversial editor from bright barred, Milo and gathered mcguinness actually, as a run in with a leftist crowd himself. He has a speaking engagement and why you proud, show up to protest there's a lot of chaos. And so he personally decides that its time as sort of self proclaimed tough guys to get involved and what s happening is that he and members of the proud boys

fly to wherever and culture is speaking or milo. Ye monopolise is speaking and they just former phalanx around the speakers as they come and as they go. What happens after these college campuses? Skirmishes is under the rubric of protecting conservatives speech the proud boys grant them. So licence to become what amount to ST vigilante and they are not shy to use their fists and their bodies. to get involved in those situations soon. So they say we are doing a march for free speech. Come join us in this liberal bastion, whether its portland, whether its berkeley. I personally believe that we should combat every single week. until they understand what america's about offering they are kind

joining with a coalescing coalition of other right wing groups to be pro active in getting out in the street mobilized. under the guise of free speech, thumbing their nose at the people in those communities and, frankly, in expecting to get a response and the inevitable happens. These provocative street events attracts leftist counter protesters and there is conflict and vital its industries, so they're evolving from acting as Security guards for conservative speakers to now becoming provocateurs going to liberal cities and states these so called free. Each rallies and it sounds like,

intentionally courting conflict with liberal activists in those cities, it happens in the spring and summer of thousand seventeen over and over and over again- and it was around that time when I started to see these things happening almost week in week out that I I reached out to mcguinness for the first time to sort of sea like what are you guys doing had his answer was really something along the lines of. We are fighting the tyranny of the left. They the proud boys and he saw himself kind of as a trump supporter being attacked by leftist actor,

san bearing the brunt of an angry left wing at he saw himself as a kind of vanguard on the right fighting back against that got it. So then, ok, so that was his take on all of us. But I pushed him a little bit on this and his answer was very telling he said: well, we just like define its interesting. I remember around this time. There's this concept on the right in the trump era of owning the liberals, the phrases owning the lives, but it was rhetorical and it sounds like what the What boys are up to at this moment is we're going to own the libs physically. We are physically going to get into fights with america's laugh now it's a hyper macho culture geared toward expressing politics through a fist. So obviously, what all of this con

Flicked and chaos leads to in two thousand. Seventeen is the extremely disturbing and bloody events that place in charlottesville virginia in august of that year and if you recall what happened was there was a rally That was billed as unite the right that brought together this most toxic elements of white nationalist neo nazi in the open, better and groups nominally to protest. The removal of a confederate era- statue in charlottesville right so that event was organized.

By a guy who was a member of the proud boys. Now mckinnis himself did not go to charlottesville, I have in fact he made a public plea for people, and the problem is not to go Why why there was a genuine debate at that time on the right about sort of how much to embrace overt white nationalism, there were clearly groups and those at charlottesville amongst them, who were perfectly fine with declaring themselves to be white, nationalist or neo nazis, for that matter, mcguinness made a public declaration that he himself did not want to be associated with those particular groups, and he didn't want the proud boys to be associate. He tried to draw a line in the sand, however, successfully are uncertain.

Way between himself and those groups, even though some of his own membership was clearly involved in the events of charlottesville right, which became known primarily as a white nationalist kind of showdown and a violent one that ended up killing a counter protester. Absolutely it was the highway, Our markets, white nationalism in many senses publicly speaking right, but it is absolutely after charlottesville that things big and to gradually change for mcguinness and his involvement in the proud voice a cleaner. So he really no longer wanted to be the face of the proud boys sort of after the debacle of not only charlottesville but a sort of continuing series of violent episodes that we're just sort of disastrous for the groom, interesting and what he ultimately dies is he

consciously steps back from the leadership of the group and more or less appoints his successor and the guy that each is it really couldn't in many ways p more different than himself. He chooses a guy named Enrique terrio. Do you want to describe your your ethnic background so the understand so my parents came. My grandfather came from Cuba back right after the revolution. They are definitely not. White terrio is a guy from my he is of afro cubans heritage and, of course,

that is notable in the year that followed charlottesville to appoint a guy who is not white to run this group right. Many organisations and institutions have label de la ass. He grew up were white supremacist. So how does that make you feel, as you can see, that but white supremacist saying I don't even have to argue about ninety percent of people sitting in the storeroom latin of latins descent. I mean you guys various within the proud boys. It should be said, a kind of large contingent of let tee no man who come from countries that experienced communism, and so they come at it with a very anti communist point of view, and

Oh, they joined the group sort of through the lens of anti communism, but yet conflate that anti communism, with kind of like a fear and loathing of your ordinary american liberal right. So it's like that all gets compacted too further, and so it is Enrique terrio who very much assures the proud boys into what you could think of as the kind of third phase groups development, and what I mean by that is that, despite or in some sense because of all of the negative headlines at the group has gotten its membership starts growing right. You have proud boys chapters in like in a rural tennessee at this point and they start to kind of have of a more militaristic look to them in other problems are always kind of had a uniform of these black

in the yellow polo shirts, but now you start to see guys in like para: military gear, flac nasty body, armor kind of stuff and customer carrying weapons. You know in ways that you didn't quite use to see and the way that this third phase kind of reaches its fullness is at the moment when president trump's really Jim campaign right, leading up to the twenty twenty election kind of collides with massive street protests and racial reckoning that emerges from the murder of George floyd right now in portland. In addition to the violent anti the proud boy a violent right wing group has shown up. You start to see Tarea and his lieutenants leading these kind of mark, he marches and

how'd, your protesting, the black lives matter margin we see them with seal to both sides have been thrown back and forth, wanting projectiles people's being shot back and forth. it just seems like every time there is a progress event. It is with some people getting they are mere presence causes people to want. Acts of violence that we're not afraid to defend ourselves. Then you also see the same thing on a very, very local level in places the country in salem organ meantime, there was a quick physical battle between some supporters of president trump and counter demonstrators.

I saw it in georgia with with the proud boys protesting in michigan, fistfights and violence as members of the proud boys labeled, a hate group by the southern poverty law center were confronted by anti racism protesters or police they're, saying that there were some fistfights and a couple of people were arrested. So as this hot summer of two thousand and two It turns into the fall the election coming nearer and nearer. There is a push by the democrats to kind of have trump disavow these groups that are kind of clearly fighting in his name. You have repeatedly criticized the the vice president for specifically calling out anti for another left when your own greatness groups, but are you well it tonight to condemn white supremacist and militia robes and and the proud boys find themselves in the white?

at the center of that argument. In a presidential debate in september of twenty twenty, give me a name give me, why is appropriate us in writing? Only too can derive from less unripe, proud of my wife stand back and stand by, but I'll tell you what I'll tell you what somebody's got to do something about and the proud boys almost in real time, respond to trump's words. On social media, essentially saying things like

standing by certain. Ah, I mean trumps. Words were red internally by the proud boys, absolutely as a validation and perhaps as some sort of invitation, what what kind of imitation what I've been basically to keep on doing what they had been doing since trump was elected head of course, what they, ultimately our standing by four, is this crazy, unprecedentedly chaotic post election period that results in january six The way back till swan has millions of followers who turned to her when they feel like this Nowhere else to go to them. She is a healer, but her critics.

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proud boys to january sixth sharp. So the proud boys end up placing themselves fairy front and centre in these massive street rallies that take place almost immediately after trump losers in the election is over and the in December things turn particularly violent. I mean asked The daytime rally ends the proud boys stay on the street and they end up at a historic black church in washington and a group of them pull a black lives, matter banner off the church and they set it on fire right there in the street and then there's a clash with leftist counter protesters and people end up getting stab problems amongst them, and one of the things that comes out of this is that

Mario goes to washington on January fourth, and essentially, as he stepped off the airplane, he is taken into custody charged with burning the banner he also happens to have on him to high capacity magazines with a proud boy, logo he's charged and a local judge, as he awaits the disposition of his case, essentially bands him from washington. This is today. Before the huge generous event, and he will not be there that day got so what exactly is the role of the proud boys sand.

Its leader in washington on january sixth, sure so. The proud boys, interestingly enough, do not go to president trumps speech near the white house at all. They instead gather at ten o clock this morning at the washington monument and it began to molly around and they wind up at the capitol literally moments before the joint session of congress is to meet to certify the final results of the presidential election. One of the proud boy leaders is, intimately involved and sort of the first conflict that occurs between a protest, her and the police. There's a guy who's, no evidence,

if he's involved with the proud boys, he is seen on video talking with one of the proud boy leaders within one minute that guy separates himself from the crowd walks a load up to a metal barricade where the police are afraid and starts to short of agitate and shake the barricade he's joined by others and within minutes that barricade falls boom. The riot has begun hm. So what do you make of that? Well, that guy's name is ryan, sampson, he's a barber from Pennsylvania and he was interviewed by the fbi and he told the fbi

that's when he went up to this proud boy. Leader's name is Joe Biggs. Big said I want you to go agitate with the cops go, confront the cops and when samuel said that he was hesitant and didn't want to do it. Samsung claims that Biggs flashed a gun, question his manhood and said: do it whoa now, Joe Biggs adamantly denies that story and Joe Biggs has not been charged with flashing a gun or anything like that. Nonetheless, that is ryan samson's account of how that whole thing unfolds and what is really the tipping point of the entire riot on january. Six. Now that interaction- and I just described it's kind of emblematic of how the proud boys operate

he did writ large. That day would do you mean well, for example, there are messages that the proud boys were exchanging in real time that the government has seized as part of it's investigation that show members of the proud boys sort of talking about right. When up the norm, is sort of like getting normal people in a hot and bothered and ready for action. That day I mean that's, apparently what happen with this guy brian SAM saw tat. We were just talking about bright and there are other instances in which the proud boys can be seen encouraging others to move forward at key moments, removing barricades so that crowds have a clear access to the building and this kind of happens over and over again throughout the day. But of course there are members of the proud boys that sort of take the initiative themselves,

most famously there's that guy with long hair and a beard he's got a plastic police riot shield at a shattering, the very first window of the capital that leads to like the first breach of the building itself. That guy is a member of the proud boys

but the lawyers for the proud boys will adamantly fiercely deny that there was any sort of pre arranged plan to storm the building. They say the evidence is not their, regardless of that. We have spent hours looking at videos of the day and they speak for themselves in many ways, and you can see the proud boys engaging in this behaviour at different moments at different parts of the capital. Over and again it's I think, you're saying you don't really have January sixth play out in quite the way that it did without the proud boys doing what they'd. Why certainly expect that when the generous six committee hold,

it's sort of first public hearing tonight, we're gonna hear some diversion of just that argument. The committee is poised to put two witnesses at the very least in front of the cameras. One of them fascinating, lay enough is a documentary film maker who was embedded with the proud boys in the entirety of the post election period and, of course, was with them on the ground. On january six, the other witness is a capital police officer who suffered a terrible concussion in that very first struggle at the barricade with ryan sam All that we are talking about before interesting. I'm curious on how you think the generous six committee will be thinking out and talking about the proud boys in relation to donald trump. The inner play and the links between the two because from everything you ve laid out those lines

are very meaningful. So I would expect that the committee will will attempt to draw some sort of connection between things that trump said and things that the proud boys did, and I think one of the instances they will point to is that three weeks before january sixth December 19th, two thousand and twenty trump gets onto twitter and for the very first time he announces the january sixth rally. The operative words in the quote are be: there will be wild literally within a day according to court records. The proud boys react

One proud boy leader, says to the other, something along the lines of. We need to get radical and get real mad together. For this january six event now look, there's no evidence to be clear of like direct connection between what trump was saying or what the probe was dead. Trump was not on a secret cell phone texting and rico terrier. When the that said, if you kind of flowed up in the air about thirty thousand feet, what you can see is that general Six is another instance where the proud boys are kind of responding to trump or at least to the situation that the term presidency created. So there was this huge unrest on college campuses when programmes speakers were there and the proud boys responded by protecting these speakers. There was this kind of mounting unrest

intention in the country over trumps policies and swirling issues of white identity and all that kind of and the problem is inserted themselves into those battles and, of course, their frightened centre. On january six right, the justice department will sort out the details in the end one hopes, but you can just see a kind of like big block pattern emerging right, an interplay, a kind of call in response between trump and the broadway sick or the proud, withdraw sure so on. Where does the fall out from january? Sixth? Leave the proud boys. What is the state of that organisation?

since generous ex well, the problem is found themselves as a chief target of the justice department investigation almost instantly after january sex, and there was a series of indictments that were rolled out through twenty twenty one, that literally are continuing as recently as a few days ago, and they have kind of becoming increasingly more serious. The latest of way accuses terrio and for other proud boy. Lieutenants are leaders of seditious conspiracy, and that is the most serious charge that the justice department has lodged against any of the more than eight hundred people total who been charge in connection with the attack on the capital,

Can you explain? Why is Toro himself being charged with that? You said he was not in washington on the sixth, that's right, so the justice department acknowledges that terrio was not there, but they have accused terrio of kind of creating the command and control structure their word that went into a genuine six being on the private encrypted communications with the proud boys in real time and ultimately celebrating what unfolded that day by texting. His his group after the capital was breached, saying we did this plough yes, and so that's why he has found himself in the seditious conspiracy indictment, but what the proud boys have dawn in response to all of this

pressure by the justice department. Is they have essentially undertaken a purposeful strategy of lowering their profile and they have decided purposefully to engage in politics at the local level. What do you mean? Well, so it looks like a couple of the context. You will find proud boys in the last call it year. Plus. Had been very involved in local protests against mask and vaccine mandates. You will find proud boys involved in repeated protests that have taken place at school boards against critical race theory and the teaching of algae bt q curricula. And you will also find proud boys making a concerted effort to run for local office in their home towns.

one of the most glaring example of that is In miami henry guitar, yos hometown and the proud boys have essentially created a foothold of power on the leadership committee of the county republican organization. They have a small group of people that have gotten elected to that which essentially the steering committee for the county operation there and what's remarkable about that, is that two of those people are facing criminal charges. They ve been indicted in connection with the attack on the capital while and don't forget irony here is that this miami dade county republican organization was created or recently built up by JEB. Wash, and so it was the kind of

free mere country club loafers with no socks republican organization, and now it's essentially been infiltrated by members of the proud boys. So on a group that says it started as a drinking and clearly evolved into something far more menacing and violent group capable of assaulting the? U S, capital and trying to block a presidential transition is now to start a new chapter in which its members are engaging in the traditional political process I'm curious what you make of that look at all. On the one hand, it's a good thing:

when a group that has spent nearly half a decade embracing violence on the streets in our culminating in the capital attack has at least nominally put that aside and given the political process itself a chance right, less violence, more politics is sort of, by definition, a good thing. That said, it's pretty clear that the proud boys haven't abandon violence and intimidation as a tactic altogether. It was undoubtedly true is that this group has decided that their next skull is to get a seat at the table and so the questioner raises, for me at least, is what's more danger having an extremist group staying out on the fringes and wreaking havoc in the streets or

having them with a seat at the table and having access to real political power wound. Thank you very much ex my company. The first televised hearings of the january six committee will begin tonight at eight p, m eastern and continue threw out the month of june order. It back

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