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The Republicans’ Shutdown Strategy

2019-01-10

In his latest negotiation with Democrats over the shutdown, President Trump slammed the table and stormed out of the meeting. We look at why his strategy requires giving no ground and forcing Republican senators to stand with him, no matter the cost. Guest: Julie Hirschfeld Davis, who covers Congress for The New York Times. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.

This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
From a new times, unlike about this today, in his This negotiation with Democrats over the shutdown president Trump, warmed out of the meat why his strategy requires giving no grand enforcing look and senators to stand with them, no matter the cost is Thursday January to Julia best. Guess it's day, my team of the shot down. How does this latest day of a shot down again, while this is the day after the President's bank primetime address? And the Democrats, giving their response- and we were beginning to see- is the first glimmers of republican senators?
being deeply uncomfortable with where they find themselves. I spoke with Julie Davis from inside the capital, so on Wednesday morning we start to see that senator early summer, Caskey republican Senator from Alaska is ready to break with President Ciampi Operations, department, Interior National Service or the operations of the IRA's. Whether not tax refunds go out, don't have anything to do with border security, and she says we need to reopen. The government federal workers are hurting. Americans are gonna, be did or are affected already, and this is crazy. We just need to buy forget the two issues get the government open and then we can
and go shooting, but we don't need six departments. At the same time. We are resolving these areas, security issues so break with the president and his strategy publicly. Cracked and she's, not the first Republican, whose- come out and suggested this best republican centre. Corey gardener is breaking with President Trump on the government's shut down. We can, we started to see some cracks. People like Corey gardener sender, from Colorado who is for reelection in twenty twenty. I hope that we can continue to fight for additional border security dollars. That's what we need to do a bit. Think, shutting down the governments the right way to do it. We could reoffend much of government where there is no dispute senator season the mean certain departments like AG transportation, housing interior, let's get I was reopened, while the negotiations continue mostly
People are moderates who are relatively less inclined to be locked up at the president's anyway, they want to say: ok, we can continue to argue over our differences over the wall. They just want for the rest of the government open wall. That debate lays out eventually Wednesday morning when we're Cowskin com, out and says she doesn't think a strategy is working. How widespread is that lying among republican senators. Will it still pretty small group but its building, no more people every day and then is going in the wrong direction if you're the president, because when you're in a fight like this, you nimitti is very important and another other clear indications here that republicans are starting to stray off of that, so a small and seemingly manageable kind of rebellion for tromp, but something that would you
some for him all right and not something that if you're, the president you can afford not to address it already seen defections from house Republicans the house for the past week to reopen the government. There was a deep sense at the White House that they needed to kind of backup Republicans to make sure that they didn't start to get even more defections and uneven, weaker hand against the Democrats. So how does the president do that exactly So on Wednesday, the president decided to go to the capital to attend the weekly Senate Republican lunching to make the case himself in person witches really rare, and what does that tell you joy that the present Is travelling to Congress come to their terrain to do this? Well, I think it tells us that he's worried about losing support on this that he knows that he has to give them something
to rally around because if he doesn't he's gonna, be at risk of losing support on what has become a very politically difficult fight and also just then. He really sees this as a public relations and messaging me that he has to try to get in front of Britain. We know from our conversation with Senator Chuck humor last week, the democratic minority leader that this worry of drums is precisely the democratic strategy which is to peel off republican senators, get them to turn on the president. And this shot down strategy by separating the issue of the wall, from the funding of a government that what the president fears is exactly what the Democrats are actively trying to do to undermine Zactly right I mean senator. She were, and even some of the House democratic leaders have been named, checking benchmark
All the Senate Majority leader all day every day, a leader Mcconnell, has shown himself to be in the Dep negotiator during previous shutdowns. Why is he decaying his responsibility. Now, why is you're, Mcconnell, shuffling off to the sidelines, pointing fingers at everyone else and saying he won't. Involved, saying that O Connell needs to break with the President's Marshall Republicans in the Senate. To you The deal with Democrats in the Senate to get this done. The president needs intervention you're, Mcconnell and Senate Republicans, or just the right ones to enter me. So true. They have been trying to really drive a wedge among Republicans on this and if President Trump were to allow them to happen. His holster did you hear which has been to just signal? No willingness at all. The compromise would fall flat. And so the rise of, the capital exits.
ASEAN in the driveway walks up the stabs walks through this whole phalanx of report, is all crowded around the ham and somebody shouts Eddie profound wars, We will have one from the boy what and see, disappears behind closed doors and to their african lunch. And what does he say to these Republicans? Avalanche well you might think that he'd be going. It was like a very concise and firms that talking points about the wall and he sat down, but that's not what happens he goes in and gives wed centres and told me was the very trompe any sort of stream of consciousness,
thirty. Two forty minutes monologue about lots of other things having nothing to do with borders here the shut down. He starts off with we're doing so. Well, everything's gray, he's talking about job numbers he's talking about his visit to Iraq over the holiday he's choking with senators than he's. Just all over the place completely bouncing around and by the time he gets to border security and the wall. There is very little time for senators in the room to ask any questions and really his message is. This is my position and we need border security, need a wall. I'm not. Acting down. The word I heard used must often by senators coming out. This meaning was resolute, he's not, but Jane and you Republicans need to be behind me. We need to be united. Never gonna get anywhere if we're not united, and he just keeps that up a few of the senators who have expressed concerns
probably about this. Do so in the room they summer Caskey gets up and expresses her concerns worried about federal. Rumours really feels like the rest of the government can open up and we can still have this debate. Susan Collins gets out, she mentions the potential for a by partisan deal that might involve giving legal status to the dreamers and what the present keep on saying it's just I understand by. We just have to hang together here we have to be solid. You have me behind me. This is position, I'm not moving the damage you're going to have to move and Senator John Kennedy from cuisine. Is that you're not from Missouri, but he is like the Missouri mule who just sits down in the mud and says I'm not moving
I would say that we have a very, very unified party, which has been fantastic. Everybody in that room was fantastic. There was no reason for me even before we went to what happens after this week well the meeting breaks out and the president and the republican leaders, as they almost always do after their weekly lunch go out to the microphones and that assembled news cameras to make a short statement usually and someone uncharacteristically senator Miss Mcconnell, the majority leader I hangs in the background, while the president does most of the talking- and he says you know There was no discussion about anything solidarity we had meaning we didn't really talk? much other than that were very united and were altogether, and that was kind of the message and the Republican later
I didn't say much of anything Mitch. Mcconnell essentially follow that up with you know, you're, the president gave a pretty good description of what went on like basically what he said. We have again pretty rare verbiage. Mcconnell does not usually find himself at a loss for words after these meetings he's usually pretty frank in his assessment, but there was almost as if the Republicans head sort of seated their territory to the president, which tells you what exactly well. I think it tells me that the president has taken ownership of this in a way, that's very public and that the centre Republicans frankly at this point kind of want him to openness, because its president trumps demands it. His strategy dating honest,
verily share these priorities, but they understand that their political fortunes are for better or for worse tied to his and if someone's gonna make the case for while the Republicans Congress are doing what they're doing it's gonna be the president, who is, after all, the reason that they find themselves in this situation, but Dick forever escape their rule, which is to legislate and fund the government and be held responsible for the shut down, and so when the president at this lunch tells them you must be unified. You must hold the line. You must stand with me. What he offering them in return, and why did they seem so willing to do what he's asking in this matter. And when the shut down may cost them politically. And is certainly hurting their constituents. I think it's not them what he's offering as the implicit threat. That is
they are the one to three dozen republicans who somehow the facts at this crucial point that he's, gonna declare them an enemy and then their political lies will be over, but theoretically republicans could band together and simply decide it is time to reopen a government, and that does not. A thoroughly me mean walking away from the wall. It simply means separating the issues out as senators or collins gardener are asking so? Why don't they do or for one thing it doesn't seem like, enough of them right now to reach a critical mass to do that I mean you would probably be talking about needing enough Republicans to ban together with Democrats to produce sixty votes for something like that, which is what you need to get most things past the Senate, but more to the point Senate
Mcconnell is still the majority leader, and he has made it very clear that he has no intention of bringing up any legislation that the president is not willing to sign. So there is no path for them to do that if they were willing to use kind of guerrilla tactics on the Senate floor against their own party to try to attach amendments to various pieces of legislation that Mcconnell does want to bring up or or somehow, China make mischief. In that way, there is a possibility. They could do that, but that's not really. What we're seeing from these senators through its clear is that as the senator soon, the pain from this shut down is not greater than the political risks involved in speaking out against the shut down and breaking from this president, I think that's true for the vast majority of people.
And right now. So what happens after this news conference with the President and the Senate? Republicans the President leaves Capitol Hill. He goes back to the White House where he has invaded the by partisan congressional leadership, including the demo adds to another of these meetings in this situation room. This is now the third time gathered there to try to have this out and but he really knew what to expect from this meeting. That sounds like from what you said that there is not a whole lot of optimism that something to happen, because the present has just told Centre Republicans stand behind me and, let's not budge at all. That doesn't seem like a constructive approach to the beginning of the talks. Correct and the demo That's also have spent the morning, you know having a new conference with followed federal workers, saying we will never give in. To a wall look at how this is hurting the average American. Why can't we just reopen the government, so
Everyone is in their corner and it's not clear what headway can be made in this meeting, but in fact even by the standards of is negotiations up which have not been very proactive. The meeting this afternoon was like way way worse because I mean it hardly even got started, it was basically the president started out them being handing out candy. Apparently I guess as a gesture of goodwill or something But after they got over their pleasantries, basically the president and vice president, and it was also they are wanted to know why Democrats hadn't come to the table with a counter off said. We gave you an offer, which was when seven billion dollars for a while, you said no, but so what's your counter off and again Nancy, close and Chuck say we don't have a counter offer and we will continue not to have a counter offer for as long as the government remains closed, you need to reopen
government? Then we can talk about border security, and so President Ciampi finally turns to Nancy Policy and says: ok, and see if I were to agree to quickly re when the government would you reach an agreement with me within thirty days to fund the wall, and she says no, the Democrats, There has been no no no money for a while. We will not agree to a wall and key just stands out and he says bye bye and he walks out. While you just ends the negotiations, they just get up and leave out here. It's called out here and the temperature wasn't much warmer in this situation room. Our meeting did not last long and as you can imagine, the Democrats came out and went straight to the microphone disorders slammed the table.
And when leader Pelosi said she didn't agree with the wall, he just walked out and said. We have nothing to discuss. World He said it was a waste of his time, though more assertive right back to where we were before. So, in the past we described this situation is called an impasse. I would say at this point: it also looks like a kind of breakdown in the negotiations. Yes, I think that would be fair when it comes to the Republicans and this lunch and the method from the president about unity. I cannot thinking about what republican Senator Linsey Graham said a few nights ago and television interview. That seems to help explain this approach to my republican garlic. This is the best chance will ever have to help. President tromp gives border wall funding, still barrier funding and at this in time fix the loopholes they all away. We lose is to give an if will stand. Firm put deals
on the table, that makes sense. We will win this on behalf of the american people, but if we undercut the president, that's the end of it presidency at the end of our party and we deserve to be punished if we give in now, will you make of that? I mean it's an interesting statement, while I could Of when he made it was it sounded like a group of people Republicans who, centrally kind of garden in this bus. That's hurtling toward a cliff and like can't get off it now and were already on the box. You know- and I think that in some way is privately the sentiment that a lot of Republicans have, which is that you know this is really bad. This is not sort of the ground, they want a stake out, but Trump is the leader of the party he's the president. He is shut down. The government he's.
On his first ever addressed to the nation from the oval office, and he is using all the tools of the presidency on this one issue, and I dont think its overstating things to say that if he can't the liver, this in some way shape or fashion that satisfies those voters. He will have a hard time being re elected and Republicans could have a hard time trying to write his or anyone else's coattails, and in that case, if Republican see this, as essentially an existential issue for all of us for the president for themselves, for the whole party. Then there's no incentive to end the shutdown and to walk away from the wall, which suggest that this is going
you'd, be in fact a very long shot down, even if a few republicans are starting to break from the president, I think that's right. This is bigger than just a few people. This is about the President and his party and its also the case that there is very little disincentive for Democrats to continue on the path thereon. Their base is very happy with them. Saying absolutely not Trump wants as wall say. No, they have no. Trouble sustaining that argument among Democrats and, frankly, among a growing amount of independent them in the wall is not popular and shooting down the government, for a wall is even less popular, so thereon solid ground as well, which makes it very, difficult to see how either side budgets and, as a Friday We will be on day twenty one of this shut down which all make it tied for the longest in american history, and
have any trouble imagining that it's gonna go much much longer than that joy. Thank you very much thank cycle on Wednesday evening, a republican house. Now broke with President Trump by voting for democratic legislation that would we open the government without funding the border one? But with the majority of Senate Republicans standing by the President, the legislation has no path to passage way back. Our work is giving one million dollars and talent grants to business is working to counter the ongoing impacts of cuban nineteen as the world's largest network of remote professionals, their connecting existing teams with remote experts intact, creative and operations in an effort to help them
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