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It's Friday November, it MIKE over the past week. What has been the story of the impeachment inquiry: the first transcripts from closed door depositions at the heart of the Ukraine. Impeachment inquiry are out every day next receiving the impeachment showdown tonight. Investigators releasing the first wave of transcripts of new transcripts of depositions, former ukrainian Ambassador, Marie Ivanovitch, describing a shadow campaign. There were conducted with witnesses the transcript from State Department, official, George CAT behind closed doors in the basement of the capital have been released at the capital. The impeachment battle for now is on paper, but no less intends, as today, committees released transcripts of two key witnesses:

these are the State Department and National Security Council officials who have been interviewed by the members of Congress in the impeachment investigation, the room that the recent parade of witnesses has been testifying in is called a skiff for sensitive compartment, it information facility, the interviews were done in a skiff. This special secured room where classified information can discussed, it should be a sanctuary where politics stops at the door and we ve only known some of What's going on in there, some of the witnesses released short statements before they went in and we got some dribs and drabs afterwards about what was said. But transcripts provide the entire dialogue of what went on behind closed doors republican lawmaker

our demand to see the transcripts of interviews conducted by house investigators, the impeachment right in the zoo, public and said all along that they wanted to be released. Republicans head complain that this process head no transparency in they wanted the transcripts out there. Now the public will get to read their testimony, so almost all the transcripts were verbatim logs of what has gone on in these interviews? Thats Democrats ever leads to more transcripts from closed door. Testimony in the impeachment inquiry into President Rob telling the back and forth that went on between the members of Congress in the wind

U S, ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Song, when informer? U S special envoy to Ukraine, could vote or are consider some of the most crucial witnesses the testifies so far away, but when the transcripts were released, one of them had something different attached to it. In the seven hundred and thirty nine pages released today Farmland revised a critical piece of his testimony. Tacked on to the testimony of the ambassador. The European Union. Gordon Somnolent, this as the fall untapped thoughtless test, I've studied IDA is, is tat. This is our data, a part of it, but of this, it's really these few pages that we're talking about his revision was a letter. Any three page addendum that revised what he had said in his interview, things did he

wished. He had initially laid out and they turned out to include new evidence about how the Trump administration was directly pressuring the Ukrainians So what I want to get too someone's testimony, but I want to start with someone himself, whose name, We have heard a lot over the past few weeks Hu. We ve never really gotten to know all that. Well, what is his story exactly and how does he fit in to the story of a trumpet ministration and Ukraine things, but for now let's bring or not animal.

Amount of a stage going. Sun wind is a middle of the road republican. Where I started in Seattle, is a commercial real estate broker another quite a few out your dispute build. I reckon massive hotel management and commercial real estate businesses in the Upper North West or what I love about it. A hotel has so many moving parts. You have food, you have wine, you have in Three. You have sex. You have everything you can do everything you can think of in the hotel business. His company ran and bought and refurbished boutique hotels in cities like Pour it land in Seattle and Denver it sort of shall business and real estate and theatre all combine, and that's what makes it so interesting ones is when you talk about it like that, it does sound, really exciting. Soon as he becomes this successful business man, he

becomes more and more interested in politics and begin dabbling as a fundraiser. He help Raise money for George W Bush for Mitt Romney and following a familiar path of wealthy donors who ingratiate themselves with politicians in the hope of getting plum jobs if their elected, but because circumstances in his own life and his involvement is business. He doesn't have a chance to do that until Donald Trump is elected, President? And what is his relationship with present rob? They had no relationship someone had not even been a big champion of trumps during the campaign, but after Trump was Elect. Could someone gave a million dollars to his inaugural fund at the very significant sum of money and a very good way to get on Donald Trump Radar

and by March twenty eighteen he's appointed high. I'm Gordon Sound, The new ambassador to the European Union and that June, with bipartisan support, he's confirmed as the ambassador and heads off to Brussels House, I'm very excited about. President Trump selection, to be the United States ambassador to the European Union being a bastard European Union, while sounding lofty, is often a job that doesn't get a lot of attention, it's a plum assignment. One of my most favorite hobbies is flying through living in Brussels. I'm also a lover of art, your meeting with heads of state, but in terms of american foreign policy you're, certainly not the face of it, but I think more dinner parties then signing National

President Tromp has asked us to accomplish a great deal in the coming years. I hope to get to meet many of you in person. In normal circumstances, he would have faded into the background of State department in been just another donor, who became a top diplomat and I look forward to it. But then something else happened which is what he gets roped in to the administrations. Policy towards Ukraine. When song and sat down for his first briefing in Brussels, the Career State department officials started talking about Ukraine. This is why are you talking about? Ukraine is now even in the European Union, No, no. No you don't understand Ukraine is where the fight for Europe is going on. Russia has moved in and we need to be there to support them.

Because if we are not, there could be impact throughout the rest of the continent so with them he finds himself involved in becoming schooled in the politics of a country outside the European Union. So what happens so he's heading along as the ambassador with Ukraine in his portfolio and good morning, you crying to die on the twentieth of May he's dispatched in May. Ukraine is having important to go to the inauguration of the new ukrainian President

hello to mere cell linsky, distinguished Mps and guests of fuzzy parliament's. He an EU special envoy to Ukraine, Kurt Volker any Energy Secretary Rick Perry. Please welcome the President Elect Valdemar Zalewski Comeback Super pump denouncing linsky, they think he's a reformer whose willing to fight corruption and the United. Aid should be there to help him to help repelled the Russians and make sure that he doesn't turned to Russia for health and Ireland, in these two other diplomats go in to meet with Trump in June. To tell the present,

about how great this new president is and how the United States needs to do everything it can to help and what happens in that meeting trumped goes not why he blames the Ukrainians for the problems he's had coming out of the twenty sixteen election. He starts talking about conspiracy theories that they were actually the ones behind that. Hacking of the Democratic National Committee, and he tells the officials whatever you want to do with Ukraine. You ve gotta, go talk to my personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and how we respond to that suggestion. That Giuliani should guide him on us, somnolence thrown off by them he's bothered. Why is it that american foreign policy should be run through the president's personal lawyer? and we know this because someone went into details on it during his testimony, he said, are:

You was that the men and women of the State Department, not the president's personal lawyer- should take responsibility for all aspects of. U S. Foreign policy towards Ukraine, however, based on the presence direct, and we were faced with a choice sounds essentially saying we had to make a decision. We can either trains, stop doing business with Ukraine and leave this new president defend for himself as Russia bears down or we could do. Is president trumped erected and to Mr Giuliani to address the president's concerns. In someone says, they chose the path of working with Julie, Oddy and what is that end up meaning for someone to have two: a seed to this directive, to work with Giuliani on at first. It seems unusual to someone and it progressively gets worse-

Giuliani unusually, wants to have the Ukrainians put out a statement committing to anti corruption investigations? Ok, sullen says that makes sense the United States. Long fight, corruption in Ukraine, but then Giuliani starts coming up with specific did he wants in the statement. Giuliani wants the Ukrainians to commit to investigating, Benny. That son was never really heard of and whether the Ukrainians had a role in pushing the theory that Russia was behind the hacking into twenty sixteen election. So these are requests that we now come to understand our for Ukraine to do to investigations that at present Giuliani want. The first is into this company that Joe Biden Son Hunter sit on

Lord of and the second involves the role that Ukraine may or may not have played in twenty. Sixteen election meddling correct to again sovereign faces a choice, Is he can walk away or work around these weird barriers that have emerged from the president and his personal lawyer who he believes in the way of good? U S ukrainian relations and once again, he tries to ass if I Giuliani and get the Ukrainians to do what he wants What, in someone's mind would be an extra for why it's worth me, in all of these compromises and to do what you will Jani wants, It sounds like he understands. This is a pretty funky scenario. It's a situation that many trump officials have found themselves in. If I'm not here, who will be here to stop even worse behaviour

and someone has a case of that in his own head- if I don't stand in the way and sort of help get this to a decent point then Giuliani will have free rein to do whatever he wants with the United States in Ukraine as a working within the system start to look like for salmon song Lindh in full. Her go to work, trying to get the Ukrainians to put out the statement. Giuliani wants it. Father saw online, but he continues to do it. Summer goes on Trump has his now. Who me call with the wind ski trump orders: military aid to Ukraine to be held? Stop sound like becomes aware that the military eight is frozen. Some of his colleagues at the State Department reach out directly to solid to ask hey. What's going on here, sound like picked up the phone and calls Trump and Trump tells him

in an angry tone. There's no quid pro quo on the aid and by all accounts, doesn't sound like someone believes present drop in his initial testimony. Yes, a republican investigator for the committee asked him to the best of your knowledge. Do you know about any preconditions on the aid no someone said, and you have never thought there was a precondition to the aid. Is that correct, never know? Someone said I mean I was dismayed when it was held up, but I didn't know why Someone is being crystal clear here that he did not I think the aid in the investigations were linked. So, like the story that Gordon someone tells the impatient investigators in his original testimony is look like a lot of what I see and hear, but let me be

tiredly unambiguous when it comes to the central question of whether the U S withheld military aid to Ukraine in order to get these investigations done by Ukraine, I didn't do anything about that. As far as I'm concerned, that didn't happen correct and that testimony was in complete contradiction with all the other witnesses who had been.

Question, which makes Gordon's online a very powerful counter argument to everything else. That's being said, too impatient of massacres and an incredibly important figure to Republicans in Congress. The biggest question about the entire Ukraine scandal has been whether there was a quid pro quo on the military aid. Quid pro quo quid pro quo quid pro quo. The presidency is to talk about it every day. Now, all of a sudden quid pro quo doesn't matter, because now there see in the gall there was no put growth. What he says there was no quid pro quo said there was a perfectly fine go. There was no pressure, there was no anything said it was perfect. Call the whistle blower.

Said quid pro quo: eight times was a little off no times it is his top talking point on why he should not be impeached and removed from office and hear someone dread, Lee involved in it backing up that notion and saying the HEAT HAWK to tramp in the middle of all this and he said there was no quid pro quo right, so how you gonna convict tromp if he said that- and that is the story

that starts to unravel. When Gordon someone adds three new pages to his testimony. This week will do back. This podcast is supported by Doubleday publishers of Camino Wins by John version. Looking for the perfect escape you'll find it in Camino wins the intriguing new novel by John Gresham, America's favorite storyteller bring son sand and fitted mystery right to your door. Delia Owens author of where the crowded sing says Camino wines is a wild, but smart Caper Camino wins is available wherever you buy books MIKE. What does Gordon Salmon reveal in these three new pages of testimony

lays out how, in early September, when Trump was holding up the aid Sunland went to a top Ukraine official and told him that if they wanted the aid unfrozen, they would likely need to put out the statement. Meeting to the investigations Trump wanted. What he saying is the question of the quid pro quo. That thing in my testimony that I said I didn't think happened. Actually I was the guy who communicated to the Ukrainians. That is as big a revision to decimal

is, I think, I've ever heard, he's now saying that the thing I told you I had no knowledge of. Actually, I did have knowledge of it, so much knowledge of it that I was the person who communicate it to the ukrainian government correct. I mean what could possibly be his explanation for somehow not remembering that during the first testimony. What he says is that in reading thee- statements that other witnesses have provided its freshen up his memory of what occurred he sang I'm we remembering things that I had previously forgotten correct. I mean look, he bade We saying on one day I said the color, the blue, and now I'm saying the color was right there directly in conflict with each other, like how can I

this who delivers sworn testimony before the United States Congress say one thing and then to suddenly add on a new bit of testimony that completely alters undermines contradicts the previous thing he said still under oath well, who know is what will happen after this, but what someone is doing is giving the Democrats testimony that they need they want to have a witness who is not just a career diplomat, but someone who was interacting with the president, testifying to the quid pro quo, so the Democrats were more than happy to tell

That statement and the fact that he is so senior that he has a relationship with the present that he speaks for the present I was appointed by the present. It seems like that is important as a factor. Yes, one of the weaknesses of the Democrats, impeachment case is that they do not have a lot of witnesses. Who directly spoke with the present. Sunland is one of them. They now have his testimony D. I do not have someone saying Trump explicitly said this was a quid pro quo. In fact, they have the opposite but they do have salmon, laying out his own role in it and being someone that was so close to the president. That's a compelling peace. Evidence, I guess there's one element of as it is a bit confusing. Sunland testifies that he spoke with present from another as I said to him, there was no quid pro quo and that's a very powerful exchange. Now he's testifying.

He understood there was a quid pro quo and that he communicated to Ukraine, it's as if he sang I was told by the present that something wasn't, but I understood it to be anyway. So how exactly does that work? Well, what someone's essentially saying is, I believe, the president at the present a wider like this. We seem to be correct me if I'm wrong the most damning testimony, So far too, I wonder what you made of it when you read this addendum to songless testimony we did I make of it. I thought, okay. This is interesting. You stuff, it gives us a fuller picture. You now have a witness implicating themselves.

Moves in this problem is its damning and it comes from someone close to the president, but I thought it comes with some words on if a nerve, Republicans you're gonna turn on the president, the Democrats are probably going to need more you're, going to need more evidence that directly ties tromp to that broke Wha? What happened you mean because here is a Trump appointee saying I delivered a message of a quid pro quo at the direction of the presence, personal lawyer and of the administration, but Trump cards. Still blame it on Giuliani. Only Ani was freelancing song and was just doing what Giuliani told them. I didn't tell him to do that. I infer ACT, told someone. There was no quid pro quo. Let's put silent upon to testify in. Let's have him say yeah, the president told me explicitly. I dont think there

good broke, while the hanging to prove that the second thing is that someone has changed his story and if in when he called at a public hearing, how does this undermine his credibility? The Republicans will be able to say to him. Hey. I one day said this thing. The next day. You said that, why should we believe you you're just saying this cause? You don't want the Democrats to send a referral to the Department of Justice to investigate you for perch Do you think you do not think that the Republicans in the house or crucially in the Senate, where the presidency itself will be debated in a trial? If you think he's in the house that this and everything else around it is going to be sufficient. I think the impeachment story is fairly simple. It all comes down to a few dozen republicans in the Senate, and will there be enough public pressure or evidence to move them against Trump? When I

this statement? I said that's not good. For the president, this gives us a fuller understanding of what occurred, but I'm not sure that it turns those Republicans because of those warts, so called votes that you just described because of those warts end, because it only get you so far on Trump you mean for some Republicans in the Congress. The only thing that will make a difference that could change their minds on this question of impeachment is whether the President himself directly sought and communicated this quid pro quo, possibly, but I dont think they're gone,

Someone gets you, I dont think Gordon someone is powerful enough himself to change the minds of republican senators who come from red states where the president is more popular than their MIKE. I'm sure what's happening right now to Gordon Salmon. Is he still the EU and acid rain? What is his status? He's now filled the wrath of the right and the president's supporters. Nobody profile is prevented that Stephen. I actually thought the transcript releases and even I what he thought he was supplementing their prove nothing astern. I, the White House, has attacked his own credibility, both statements for crab.

Here's a question wanted Sunderland changes. Testimony was era, connection between Sunderland and democratic operators. On the committee Lindsey Gram, the Centre from South Carolina went on Fox NEWS last night to attack him. Did he taught the ship? Did he taught the shift staff, I've been a lawyer for a very long time. When somebody changes their testimony, they suddenly recall something they did no before. It makes me incredibly incredibly suspicious to someone finds himself in this pretty unpleasant position of steel working for tromp. Still being his top person dealing with Europe, but also being attacked, by the President's party and his allies and the White House and having to do his day job. Amid all of this

you kind of have to wonder whether he regrets giving that million dollars. Thank you. My thanks for m me. On Thursday, the times reported that at the urging of diplomats, Gordon someone, you Queens President, was prepared to announce the investigations sought by President Trump in exchange for the release of U S military assets. The modem years, olenska staff land to make the announcement during an our view on CNN scheduled for September thirteen, but President Trump? releasing the military aid before the interview which, as a result, never happened or very back.

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