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Thursday, April 20, 2017

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Fox News’s biggest star is out of a job two and a half weeks after a Times investigation into sexual harassment allegations. We talk to one of the two reporters who are most responsible — perhaps responsible — for Bill O’Reilly’s ouster. Guests: Emily Steel, who spent months investigating allegations against Mr. O’Reilly; and Jim Rutenberg, the media columnist for The Times. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.

This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
From the New York Times. I Michael bore this here's the deal today. Fox news is guess star pillar while is out of a job two and a half weeks after a Times investigation into allegations of sexual harassment, knowing those allegations? Fox hedge, US, renewed, O Reilly contract. So what happened that led to this? It's Thursday, people twentieth, meaning I just we're just having something bank that we're trying to confirm. So we just need. I attempted to deal that ok, so it's two, forty five in the newsroom, the second floor where the business section is and I'm sending
the media group, which is complete freeze right now and every single reporter years. Working on the same story, which is rightly has just been fired from Fox NEWS, which was pretty much unthinkable until a few hours ago and trying to get the attention of the rapporteur, whose most responsible, perhaps responsible for that happening and that's Emily steel. Who is right now on the phone talking to resources about this and would like me to be at a reasonable distance from while she does that a meagre talk to her about what change and why Bill O Reilly is no longer working for foxes, but in the meantime new deal. O Reilly began his career and television in the nineteen seventies as a local news reporter Dallas
exit sixteen years ago. The last moments of President John F Kennedy Life then allow I'm below Riley. Every week day at six o clock inside addition will give you an inside look at the people in places that are making headlines today. He worked his way up to the tabloid new, showed inside addition and then eventually how political correctness is harming America. That is a subject of this evening's talking point mobile, he became the face of a brand new network Fox NEWS, where millions tuned in for his promotion of traditional values and hardline conservatism derive actors on Can I caution? You are about to enter the knows. Things factor begins right until yesterday, this deal
Thank you for them. Come over. Your desk links are coming under that your phone, hi. This is my Emily. Steel has covered Fox news for years. She's, a television rapporteur at Times thank yeah hi Emily. What's the word from inside Fox of what's been happening over the past couple of days that led to this, so let me know, there's been a pension. Factors, there were a number of women that have come forward after the company's started. This investigate You're, looking into Bela Riley's behaviour and that all started with this woman named Wendy was Wendy Walsh a regular guest on Bela Riley's, show she, he was invited to go to a dinner. I am in LOS Angeles and fastened. Thirteen in the secretary invited her to this dinner. Rallies invited her to the standard
during dinner. In the beginning, he told her that he was friends advisor, He then was the Chairman Fox NEWS and that he could make her Peter at a network which is a very valuable, a very lucrative position, and they can t the dinner after the dinner they we're leaving the restaurant and he invited her to his hotel sweet. She said nothing Kyo. They they went to the boy and he hostile and then months later a hearing. On a verbal offer, to make her contributor. So she had told us that story after our story came out the company, Andella reliable, said that nobody, I caught the hotline, so she called the hotline to report. Can import rather than a hotline that women can call to report complaints, so she called the hotline to report her complaint. But what happened is that prompted an investigation by the law? Firm Paul lies? We know that they have looked at
to when you ashes compliance complaints, we know that they also have looked into the complaints of this woman named Jammu, Green who is a current Fox news contributor and she had complained, about Bela Riley, and we know that there are other women who have made this allegation, this vile and makes me- and I spent months, amendments reporting on the story and what we found was over the course of a really tenure Fox news that the company has repeatedly stood by Hamilton has repeated the protected him as these allegations of sexual harassment. And other inappropriate behaviour have piled up Norman it's. What we know is that there have been five settlements related is sexual harassment and inappropriate behaviour by him. And those settlements have totalled about thirteen million dollars thirty million dollars paid by deliberately or fox to two to accomplish what basically to silence these women so inside foxes. Since all of your report,
came out. Where did the deliberations started and where did they and all finally, within the last few hours witnessing incredibly fateful decision to get rid of them are rightly so. It's really interesting as before. We published our story now in the company. Andella rarely knew all of the all of the information that we are publishing that we give them the chance to comment at that time they put out a statement said they talked about this at Bell. We also since learned that they decided to renew his contract. They decide to extend his contract. Knowing everything they did a from your reporting and whenever they knew themselves about number of women and financial settlements. Yet exactly and then right after the story, there were advertisers who sorry to pull That then, is started off where Mercedes Unhandy and then it became kind of this flood. Of of all of these advertisers who laughed the show
and then there were these boycotts. Our approach has outside the network. There was an airplane, flew over New York on Tuesday that had a banner at said. Job O Reilly, the sexual predator, and it is this just didn't let up in the other. Really important thing to remember is that There is a contingent of women inside Fox NEWS who are just out about this, and they said that the executive after the Astor of right or else the moroccan side, that they are really committed to maintaining a workplace based on trust and respect. And they really question are the executive serious about this? If they continue to. By this man always Bill O Reilly response to your original reporting? What did he say? But you said if it here he's, a famous man. He is the target of these allegations and part of the reason why you deal at this in the way that they tat it has used
to protect his? So when you have been putting out a story for many months, what we experience with Fox has a company interacting with among these incredibly sensitive pieces, are reporting and what was your experience with Bill o Reilly? You know we were trying to follow the Fox authors story and over the course of our reported me really to dig to get this information. There's a reason why settlements were for so much money was to keep these women from talking to keep that information about them from getting out. There is a lot of resistance There's a lot of they didn't want this starting be out. There is a very valuable resource in a really valuable asset for them. What about Rarely himself. What has he said to you? I haven't have to him for the story. We talked with his eyes. We tactic has represented an and we have statement from him. Have you had any interactions with Belarus
during the course of this report in its endeavour. Putting it's on him, I have to imagine he's had a reaction to it. We are asking about an incident in two thousand and thirteen. When I was working on a story of bow, there are allegations about his reporting that he applied at bow reporting on the Falcons war and whether or not he was kind of on the ground reporting on this war. He apparently was actually in Buenos Aires reporting on a protest about the war and in the course of the protein. I caught him for comment and he basically saying that he wanted the story to be fair and if there was anything in it that he found untoward, he would come after me with everything he had got southern or more response, and it was on the record. I just kind of taped it up and then move on to ask a question
and we did and in the story at this time, are fine just to be clear that wasn't related to this story. That was something that happened two years ago and the reason that meet at the story is where just trying to follow the fox there's, no one there. We were really interested in you have an early was entirely and delay. The writer says you haven't sorry and not just a final question to you since you, covered fox for a really long time, and not just for the New York Times when your previous job we're. You surprised that happened today. What was your reaction when you saw the news that are really was going to, and in fact be fired. The number one moneymaking figure, the number one host Fox NEWS and therefore the number one person in all of cable news. You not be dead by ham and support a hand and protected him for
a very long time, there's sedimentary leisure, his behaviour going back to two thousand and two. There is another anti that's in for another one to us, an eleven. There were two in the paths fall, and so we we really didn't, know how they are going to respond. We really do not know what they are going to do, so it is surprising it is surprising that they react at this way and therefore you surprise me: ok, I'm so it also area- and we thank you very much we'll be right? Back America's by pharmaceutical companies have one very important thing: in common: a common enemy they're, making great progress because their collaborating ways they ve never done before in a matter of weeks they for
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to a point. Where did they would be saying to their own female staff? They will be saying there shareholders. We hold our profits and our ratings to be more important than respectable workplace, where women can thrive and feel that their equal to men and while Fox NEWS, kind of celebrate a bygone era where men were men and women were women. You know there are fewer and fewer people who are ready to accept it to the extent that bad behaviour or alleged bad behaviour swept under the rug, but since factors were always president like that, in the end, the sins were the same from the beginning. Until now, what chain Inside Fox NEWS, you ve covetous company for a really long time that explains the reversal from firm defence to see later Bill O Reilly. There are two explanations nicer. The better explanation for them is that they have a younger generation of Murdoch's, Lackland and James Rupert Murdoch sons. Who are
the next generation and they say dad. This company cannot withstand this kindness scanned there's another explanation that the message was less. This behavior is unacceptable and more its unacceptable when you get caught But how much of this is actually not about genuine outrage from the family even the outside world, but really just about advertising. That's a tricky question too, because Fox has tried to deny that there has been any erosion in their add dollars. Even though scores of advertisers the really factor programme? What Fox was saying was it those advertisers could get time elsewhere. Works, they didn't ultimately lose the money a little bit dubious. I think it played a factor, but I think this is more about p r or, as they would say, having a better corporate culture quickly,
cause. You know the advertising row really well. Why doesn't advertiser leave a major show like this with such high ratings? Even circumstances like it's. What does it take well The phenomenon that was at play here was a social media. Firestorm there was a huge out try and a lot of pressure brought to bear by several outside group. Saying: hey ever touch it. How can you you're you're endorsing this behaviour and that's any trend where companies are reacting to that, rallies lawyers say their basically was a liberal activist conspiracy to ask him from his job. Is there any drifted out its laughable you're telling me that Rupert Murdoch and Fox NEWS are going to buckle under pressure from liberal groups? Are you kidding me? That's, like Everything they stand against so I'd, I don't buy it. Why did bill rallies ratings? Keep going up during all this. That's the part I still find kind of confounding, because if you talk to rally
Fans and I have to do some of them- are my friends. They don't believe it. This is the Amazon going after their guy means the mainstream media going after bill it there. Star that an umbrella, Riley's, whole show is don't believe them in and he himself is always under siege being attacked, so they're gonna take his word, or that of the New York Times or any other liberal media outlets. In their view, you have a phone go, do intake of uncle. I can now collaret back very quickly. You know how this option out on a television network is biggest fox. What are the next, for forty eight hours gonna look like how are they can actually get bill, Riley off television, how the public relations machinery work. That's a huge question, because Billow Riley was the definitional figure of this new network, so I don't think they can do a nineteen eighty four style. He never existed approach right.
So they're gonna have to they're. Gonna have to somehow honour his legacy without this honouring themselves by glossing over the reason he left are finally this past year and you covered this campaign alongside me before you went to bed the media columnist. Here we saw several versions of pretty much the same story If a man is acute, by a woman, or many women have inappropriate behaviour, physical or otherwise, some times it's illegal. Sometimes it's right on the bubble. They'll, Cosby, Roger Eels, President Trump, and Thou Bill, O Reilly Those cases was unique and they played out uniquely and I wonder, given the role you have, what bigger conclusions, your drawing from what we ve just seen and what we saw in those cases will be draw the obvious comparison to the one who was affected least by similar allegations. President Trump
It's that corporate Amerika and national television is far less forgiving of these kind of alleged acts. Then american politics and the american voter fascinating subject since noticing likely the tape the chewed up President Trump, with Billy Bush mag, making Luke comments about women with a wooden, your star. They let you do it. You can do anything, but everyone gripped by the pussy do anything was not enough to stop one from getting the oval office, but it was too much for the third hour of the day. Show. Billy Bush was fired from the today show and now Bela really has been Jim. Thank you very much. I won't let you get back to run your column. I'm lonely crouched here at your desk, and I can see from the look of your screen that you have a little more running left to go, see you. Remind me of extreme right bags. Speaketh, Fox NEWS, says that starting Monday, Billow Riley's
eight p m slot will be taken over by another of the network stars the boat tide, servitude for provocateur, Tucker, Karlsson. Here's what else you need another day special election in Georgia this week has been treated as national news scene. An early referendum on President Trump just ninety days into his administration. Jonathan s off a thirty year old Democrat seeking office for the first time in a heavy The conservative district we haven't covered the election, on this show in part, because we were weary of making too much out of a single race so close to the start of a new presidency. I called my call Jonathan Martin, to see if we had that right, so this was a open primary, so everybody was on the ballot and both parties. How the rules work in Georgia. If you got fifty percent plus one, you won the seat outright. If nobody got that, then it would go to a Jew run off, and so what happened
Is there a wash off race? How much money you over the last three months from so many national Democrats did he went from just trying to get into the run on and be a viable major party contender to having a chance to actually clear fifty when the seat out right, I see too, has not been held by a Democrat since the Carter Administration and he nearly did it. He got forty eight point, one Tuesday night falling just short of that threshold to one seat outright so everyone paid attention to this special action in Georgia, despite the fact that it was a special, elections are therefore a little anomalous that it's just one can go no race and, despite all of the flaws that we learned about political prognostication in twenty six
I remain sceptical that this race matters. What do you think? I am I wrong too soon to tell her. I thought for a God now, but it's the truth, though. You're right, there's reads: mother called special actions. There are special bay. There often Corky. There is a history, Michael of some of these special house. Races being you know. Basically, the canaries and the coal mine bright little version the killer in a coma, and I can go back for four decades, including the Gerald Ford seat in the wind western Michigan when he left the house to become vice president, a Democrat one I see in that was foreboding for Republicans long history of these special elections, telling a story about how the wind is blowing politically. That said, there are many times where they don't tell us a bigger
worried about what's happening in american politics, so I think we don't know just yet, but can't just last week, Georgia this week. What is undeniable is that an Ruby red Parts of America deeply conservative precincts the Democrats in these places are highly energized and are showing up and higher numbers than the Republicans are in listen, I'm an old you accountable for this. I'm gonna have you back on during mid term elections uploaded a fate. Will you marry me we're gonna go back to the time we're going to see if there was a canary this coal mine, style. I love it. I loved Jonathan. Thank you very much, but soon bike and in other Congressional NEWS Republic in congressmen, Jason shavings, the powerful chairman of a House Oversight committee, said he will not seek reelection the Times report. The chief it's who had repeatedly clashed with Hillary Clinton during the campaign relished his rule overseeing a democratic, controlled White House, not a republican one, final
after promising as a candidate to terror. President Obama's nuclear deal with IRAN. My number one priority is to dismantle the disastrous deal with a rat Tromp has notified Congress that want is complying with the terms of that agreement and is making here that the White House will be standing by the deal which requires to give up most of its stockpile of uranium inaction. For the United States and Europe lifting billions of dollars in economic sanctions. That's it for the day. Michael, Barbara, suitable support for the daily comes from tee in tee.
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