A new tell-all book about the first year of the Trump administration has the White House in a fury. Its key source is Stephen K. Bannon, President Trump’s former chief strategist, who disparages the president and his children. Mr. Trump responded: “Steve Bannon has nothing to do with me or my presidency. When he was fired, he not only lost his job, he lost his mind.”
Guests: Peter Baker, chief White House correspondent; Maggie Haberman, White House correspondent. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.
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From the New York Times are Michael Barbara. This is today a new book. Has the White House in a fury, its key source is Steve, ban what he said and what the president is saying in response it thirty January for years and months ago, Peter I, there alone
How are you I'm good? Peter Baker got an advance copy of the book. The book on fire and fury by Michael Wealth is a look inside the Trump White House First Year and it's a very sensational account of a White House in basically yet
Meanwhile, dysfunctional Whitehouse fill with tribal rival reason led by a president who, at least in this betrayal, is not a very serious character, not somebody who take
the jobs here, is not included as one of the job to begin with, for instance, SAM Number, who is an AIDS, are present tromp on the campaign I went point was sent to explain the constitution to the candidate and he's quoted in the book. Saying I got as far
as the fourth amendment before his fingers pulling down in his lip and his eyes are rolling back in his head. That's it on the record quota. Free, striking right and its part is overall portrayal. The key
and later at present is not very serious about this. You know,
like any. Why house power we ve seen in modern times, and how do we actually do this reporting? Well, he says he had two hundred interviews with people who round the present people are key
the presidency team, some these interviews or on the record and those obviously the easier wants to evaluate these episodes. He talks about are not sourced to anyone in particular
by your name and there's a harder of course to know how accurate they are. There has already been some pushed back by some people around the present say that things they were reported to have done is not accurate.
The overall. The overall one is one that very, very vivid and one that enhances what ve already already seen I publicly publicly in this last year, but presumably
if he was in some or all these conversations. This book was kind of condoned by the White House right
Well, that's not really clear. The White House would tell you know he never actually sit down with the president just to be very clear
on conversation with president. There was one brief conversation that had nothing to do originally with the book: a conversation
anyway, as the president calling to thank you for something he had said about in your times article that particularly like it was, I think, around five to seven minutes in total, since the present vacant office necessarily interaction that he's had
so you know, according to the White House, version anyway did not have the president's particular cooperation, but we did have was deep,
and in cooperation in the White House would tell you that
ninety five percent of his interactions inside the White House were at the request of steel ban. That's what
standards. They went out. Prosecutor has said today so there,
Pinta anyway, all on vat and other might, as officials were not working with me, any any that so far as far as we can see did so at the request of short. So that's what a lot of the controversy is about with this book. The ban, in account of
White House and of the campaign, as certainly hold to Michael. Yes, certainly bands account flavors this book pretty strongly and is a very harsh and caustic view of this White House and of the president and his family. I mean some of these characters are pretty this rule and pretty personal. He calls a vodka tromp, the president's daughter, dumb as a brick. He says that child from Junior was treasonous and unpatriotic
like for meeting the Russians during the two thousand sixteen campaign, any basically is very harsh on Jerry Kirshner, the present son in law. So you can imagine that's not as Iraq. We Santer said today the way to curry favour with the president was furious when these reports first came. Sport is an accurate picture. I think furious disgusted would probably certainly fit when you make such outrageous claim
and completely false claims against the president, his administration and his family. The one I'm really seems to have gotten most under the present skin. Is this idea that the June two thousand sixteen meeting, the down from junior convene with Russians who are offering incriminating information about
Let me was wrong. You know the White House point of view is so what you know. They were just looking for opposition recently, a campaign, but still
and told the author now he said they should have been worded immediately to the FBI, while Yoke called present Son treasonous without the present getting up, sat and that's what one of things really checked him off today. So then is actually accusing the Trump White House of doing something truly wrong. When I come
To dealing with Russia, that's exactly right, he says look. I can imagine that down sooner didn't take these Russia's up to meet his father. Now there is no that to be the case. He speculating at this point. That's knowing that we make an angry cassettes directly in conflict with the white
os explanation that the present never knew about this meeting did not meet those Russians and and and found out about it only much later. One other thing that
says. Is he talks about this pro by the special council any to suggest that money
wandering is the real vulnerability for the present basically characterizing. This investigation as a legitimate, serious effort that could damage, if not destroy the presidency, as opposed calling the witch hunt the way the present characterize it pure. I'm curious, balanced decision to cooperate with Wolf started before abandon left the White House under pressure rights. If so, what was he doing? Giving this kind of access to Michael Wolf to this author access at the White House clearly does not appreciate why
exactly right, that's one thing that the White House has talked about being upset about it. They point out. The here is this figure who has railed against the media, who was called the media, the opposition, the enemy, and yet he seems to cooperate with a lot of figures in the mainstream media, including this off.
Michael Wolf, including vanity, fair, including the times, including sixty minutes and plenty of other outlet. So he has not shy.
Way from talking the media, even though he has presented himself as an adversary of it Peter. Thank you very much. Thank you very much and good luck. I think there are still a book. I will do it back.
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Twenty on Wednesday afternoon by the press secretary, Sarah sanders- this is not released on his twitter feed is an actual formal statement. Clearly, work was put into this and what is the subject of a stable? Oh, that this subject is Steve Bannon because of the Michael Wolf Book
President felt compelled to respond in the White House with scrambling on this throughout Wednesday morning, to not just let this hang out there. They ve been very conscious of the fact that ban and has been creating himself as a power centre, since he left the White House almost one on equal footing to the president. They wanted to send a clear message that he is not the same as the president of the president does not consider him a friend and to make clear that you cannot blithely take shots at the president on without there being some ramifications. So this statement is
about ten sentences in total. As you said for paragraph, let's just break them all down sure, starting with this Steve Bannon has nothing to do with me or my presidency,
when he was fired. He not only lost his job, he lost his mind. Steve was staffer who work
For me after I had already won the nomination by defeating seventeen candidates, often described as the most talented field ever assembled in the Republican Party. That's actually go to for Trump to say that this is often described as the best field, and yet I want and calling someone staffer is also a goat,
I mean this is where the president does that thing he does, which is I hardly know the guy is like trumps deepest insult. It's when he's decided he's done with someone. He declares its barely knows
and that's what he's doing here- it's not ok, but they are trying to paint steed, Bandinage, crazy, they're, trying to paint him as somebody who is out for himself there painting him as someone who would be making up tales. That's what this is all set.
To tell you ok, so then move on to the next, since this is what the present rights now that he is on his own,
Steve is learning that winning isn't as easy as I made it look Steve had very little,
to do with our historic victory, which was delivered by the forgotten men and women of his country. Yet Steve had everything to do with the loss of a Senate seat in Alabama held for more than thirty years by Republicans. So that is an effort by the president to do a couple of things, one of which is to continue to act as if he himself did not endorse Roy more without talking about the loser of the Alabama Senate. Race is the republican nominee. The president endorsed him. The president's supported in the president was
aid by stuff that banning was communicating to him that he should really get in there. He could make the difference and ban and, of course, endorsed or more if you have, a choice are heavily. He went to the state twice, but that's basically an effort to sort of
spin all laws on ban in and make him the problem. The president has been having trouble dealing with the fact that his own political power has been diminished through a series of losses and the growing more one was just the most latest
So how much of this trump turning on Bannon is issuing a statement. Do think also has to do with what he's referring to in the statement, which is
banning backing, why more and more than losing to a democratic Burma. That is a piece of a much larger puzzle, but that puzzle also includes pieces that relate to a vanity fair. In our view, that ban and gave a couple of weeks ago
where he was on the record, very, very critical of all aspects of the White House, but how the president handles himself that was the prelude to this Michael O foot, there's been almost slow roll out of abandon our Latin
weeks. The president was so angry about it that he wanted to give a public statement on it had to be talked out of it by his advisors. Who said this is about our dear just gonna elevate him, but once this book came out, these extra started hitting there was nothing they can do so drunk one to issue a statement August before Wednesday Incorrect, but waited but waited, and now there was sort of a sense there was no choice but to do it. So this one is really interesting: Steve pretends to be at war with the media which he calls the opposition party. Yet he spent his time with the White House leaking false information to the media to make himself seem far
more important than he was. It is the only thing he does well. Well, that's a dagger, and that is a dagger that is coming, I think, not just from Donald Trump, but from his son in law. Jerry cushion her his daughter of aka Trump from other staff members with
the White House. I think the only thing that they were all unified it about by the end of balanced tenure, was that they wanted him gone, but that complaint about banning leak was a massive cushioned vodka complaint. And what can you say about that? I know it's difficult for reporter to talk about whether some body has led to their knowledge, but but is their objective, reporting and evidence that still Bennett Brass like many people but may be uniquely leaks? I think everybody in that when has leaked for the most part, I don't think that outlay I'd. Let me rephrase out, I don't think everybody leaked, but I think that many people weeks, we obviously would not talk about our sources, and certainly there were stories that you saw that were pretty direct quotes from men, and so it was either things that he had said directly to a reporter was things that he had relate to an associate. Who then related to our rapporteur, and there is lots of stuff that only he would know a White House aid said to me this morning. You ll notice.
The leaking stopped after he was gone. That's not obviously not true, but it is true that there has been less knife fighting publicly so useful a lot of time targets. Even why does actually in this way also how about this statement? Maggie Steve was rarely in one on one meetings with me and only pretends to have had influence to fool a few people with no access and no clue whom he helped right. Forty bucks so far
of all eight is heard to say exactly how many one on one meeting Stephen ahead for the present, but I'm not really sure that became the qualification. There was a very often
in that White House, because these aids were all afraid to leave other people alone with the Centre of power which, as the president has they'd, be able to influence what he thought there were often these group meetings there were. These group, my lawns, where you would have lots of people, so one on ones, are sort of straw man being set up by the present. Ok, so the whole thing up until now has been about Bannon, but not these final sense, which to me are the most interesting in a statement. Here's what prisoner road! We have many great republican members of Congress
and candidates, who are very supportive of the make Amerika great again agenda. Like me, they love the United States of America and are hoping to finally take our country back and build it up, rather than simply seeking to burn it all down. What's the message here so one of the things at his irritated, the white has the most in which I was hearing about from people this morning. The most was the ban and is trying to present himself as part of this kingmaker, who is recruiting a bunch of candidates to challenge incumbents in a bunch of different rates. In next year's mid investors meant in this year's mid term elections. We are in twenty eight
strangers that feels- and this is trying to both reject his abilities to two even take people on and a signal to voters the choices you have are good enough, he's trying to strip ban and away from a base of voters that they are both fighting to.
The leader of a man. That's when you saw ban and set himself up ass when he left the White House. I am the natural inheritor of the Trump Movement Travis, trying to say I'm still here, Maggie tell me if I'm wrong, but this fuels kind of the ultimate message to send to ban it.
Whose whole position now is about bringing down the establishment going after Republicans in Congress who he sees as a lead. Us are out of touch not part of this populist movement that both Bannon and Trump have been leading and now Trump seem.
Or to be saying, nope plenty, a good guys already in the establishment already in Congress, I'm not with you anymore, so message to ban and hence a message to the voters.
It's a message to both ended his message to these insurgent candidates or potential insertion candidates.
You are going to have a hard time with me and I am not going to do a lincoln and gnawed and be with you again the problem with this statement which, as I said, feels very staff driven and staff distilled. Is it requires of discipline that we have not seen the president engage in very often so it's very possible. The present will, if, let's say one of the insurgents when the president will then go support that for most likely, so it the president, has painting himself into a bit of a box, though not tree wants to stand so that a candidate for Congress First Apple or the Senate in November of this year, answers not to ban but to Trump. They will always answered a trump anyway hastily actual leader of the poor
but time is basically calling than enough ass. He was the way has eager to divide.
Been banned. In other words, it is this: stand by observers at the White House wanted to see a break in this relationship. Without a doubt, I mean the fact that then, and still looked around to whatever degree he looked around and white has AIDS would say it was not as much as he claimed they wanted him guy.
He has been a problem for them for very long, so the White House has used this Wolf book which they know. The president won't like as an opportunity to publicly signal that this partnership is not really about
yes and they basically used it to force the President sang a publicly. The present has danced around it and I'm comments. They wanted him to make a forceful public declaration. Does this Steven work the end of the Trump Bannon Partnership know, but I think it marks the end of this face and I suspect they won't be talking again for quite some time.
Thank you, Maggie. Thank you.
On Wednesday night a lawyer for the president's sent a cease and desist letter to ban it
claiming he had violated unknown disclosure agreement in speaking to Wulf the lawyer, ordered Van, and to stop all such communication
warned him of numerous legal claims, including defamation by law,
people and slander and told him such legal action was quote here's what else you need to know day on Wednesday. President transformer campaign chairman Paul Manifold,
held a lawsuit against special Council Robert more two months after Mauler indicted him as part of the Russia investigation.
Did you go with the Russians? Any reaction of the charges, Mr Mann WAR Metaphor, who was charged with money laundering and not with any activity directly related to the
campaigns ties to Russia is arguing that the Justice Department should narrow Mothers authority and is asking
that his indictment be dismissed and the president has disbanded
commission on voter fraud, which he created,
last year to investigate his own claims that
millions of undocumented immigrants voted in the twenty sixteen election? In a statement, the White House said that the refusal of states to hand over their voting records was not worth the quote: endless legal battles at taxpayers, expense final,
ninja me. What will you do? Your job is in the window. The desert of north korean officials have announced that the country will we open a telephone hotline with South Korea three days after Kim Jong proposed negotiations. Take these tensions between the two countries in articles North Korea had shut down the line two years ago, refusing to pick up the phone when south korean officials would make a daily com instead. So
Korea would broadcast messages to the north using loudspeakers that line
but Wednesday
New korean news agencies reported that the north called the south on the hotline and the two
sides had a twenty minute conversation
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