From the New York Times I Michael work. This is to Robert Mothers, Russia Investigation is unnerving Washington, the aggressive tactics, issues to get trumps team to talk and while having lunch at a Dc C state has a times report. Overhears just how much those tactics are rattling. The White House legal, it's Tuesday September, nineteen Maputo what happened on

July. Twenty sixth, so a Wednesday early morning, dawn and Paul metaphor, present trumps former campaign chairman is asleep at home in Northern Virginia and totally unannounced, the FBI forces its way into his home. This is not your typical boom boom boom open up where the fbi- and you know a groggy pollyanna for, puts us liver and comes to the door. This is the FBI forcibly going into the home in searching for evidence, so they are all through

man affords house they make off with finders full of documents. They copy is hard drive, vain photographed. The suits that were hanging in his eye is closet. This is the most public and the most overlooked move that Bob Mahler the special council has made in the four months or so that he has been investigating Trump world and besides rating people at home, as happened in the manner for example, what are some of the other tactics that mauler and his team are are using as they interview these people and investigate the case exhibit a would be the way they handled metaphor after the rate, so they told manner for we expect to charge you. We expect to indict you on which sends a real really,

tough message right up front, and then they follow that up where they dropped a subpoena unmanned, affordable own lawyer to come and testify in testifying. Okay, so asking his lawyer to testify against him twice which is so unusual, and why is that so unusual? What the attorney client privilege that protection that what you, your relationship with your lawyers, for sacrificing that is enshrined not just in law but. Also in just parent policies. You can subpoena aware that happens, but it is the most among the most sensitive things as a prosecutor that you can do.

And it just it's. Just another scientist is not leaving anything on the table. Every every option he has he's gonna take it even if it's a really aggressive so to the point. What at one of these tactics used tell us about how by Mahler is conducting this investigation into russian meddling in the election? The coverage of mothers team has been portrayed a little bit like the the beginning of of oceans, eleven where George Coney serve going out, and you know, and in that he's assemble this team Special Council Robert Mauler, now has more than a dozen season prosecutors. This is a highly

this is a power house, T really safe, cracker and we're gonna need a guy he's got a pickpocket and sixteen and all they bring experience in long term. Investigations going after organised crime, money laundering, cyber terrorism and foreign bribery, a guy who prosecutes the banana crime family. We ve got a guy who took on Enron, gotta espionage, expert, some even speak. Russian really isn't anything. This tomb was gonna, come a clause that will not be equipped to deal with. Mothers is moving quickly, he's moving aggressively and we talk to one of the investigators that looked into Bill Clinton and all of those against variety nineties and here's what he said. He said they are setting a tone. It's important early on to strike terror in the hearts of people, a Washington or else.

You will be rolled, you want people saying to themselves mad. I had better tell these guys the truth, so Bob Mueller is, is actively seeking to instill fear in the heads and the hearts of the people he's investigating here. If that's not the intention, that is certainly the read as best you can tell, because I know the stuff is supposed to be confidential. Who is the special counsel going after trying to interview investigating? We know that they have put the White House on notice that they intend

to interview many members of the senior staff colonel former, so the people around the president are all expected to get question now outside the White House. We know the two people that are being looked at intensely are Michael Flynn, the former national scary visor, who is getting looked out for his travel and what he's disclose about his lobbying in his relationships, foreigners and then there's pollyanna, for whose getting looked at not just for his relation. Ships with Ukraine or Russia, but there also looking at his taxes, and they want to know whether he has offshore bank accounts that hold money, that he hasn't pay taxes on or that he hasn't disclosed, and so, when they FBI rages House, one of the reasons are taken pictures of suits is that is a way to tell kind of how much money is going out re if you, if you

While we know he only makes x amount of dollars, but mere housing affording all these suit trade that something they do in money investigations are law is look for signs of spending that done match up with earth. Now what you're describing there in the Flynn and manner for investigation so far, it doesn't seem like whether or not people around the president colluded with Russia and meddling in the election. They seem like tax fraud or failure to disclose Those are lobbying, client, yeah, that's right, and if it, if you are in, were around present drums orbit, you are probably thinking why the heck is Bob Mahler invested of all things, Russia right messing around on some financial disclosure document that Flynn may or may not allow correctly or oil homemade efforts taxes.

This two things. One mother has taken a very broad view of his authority and in some people would probably argue too broad. But, most importantly, they keep your eye on the ball here. Right, if you can put pressure on people like Flynn and manifest with these less related charges, then you put pressure on them to cooperate and tell you more about the stuff. You wanna know him and his kind of white collar of essential on a one. You look for people who have vulnerabilities and others,

Thus in then you squeeze, and so what we are seeing now is the squeeze the squeeze being I wore go after you, I'm gonna, indict you I'm gonna rage, your home, I'm gonna subpoena your lawyer. Nothing is safe. I think there is a school of thought that put the squeeze on people like Flint man afford and see. If they have a story to tell about I'll drop, the aggressive tactics that you describe so far seem to be applied mostly to people who ve left the president's orbit their outside of the White House either because they were fired from the campaign or from the White House. Is there a difference and have a special council is treating those who have left the presence orbit and those who actually work in the White House end and are the president himself

Absolutely you're, not gonna, have FBI agents showing up in enforcing their way into the White House. Right mean that right, that's not gonna happen. So what you're seeing now is seeing Mahler in the way our having the sort of very professional back and forth special council robber Mahler sent a letter this week, telling the White House to preserve all documents related to the June twenty. Sixteen meeting at Trump Tower and we're gonna make these documents available to you that members receive notice on Wednesday or White House Council informing them to preserve text. Suggests emails notes voicemail than any other communications related to the meeting you don't need to subpoena, for them will give you everything you need

and I will make our staff available to be interviewed or some of these staffers likely to cooperate. I would say that there are two: it's the White House is trying to trick this posture of we're in total collaboration mode. You don't need to be addressed in a boy if they all have to do, is read the papers and see what happens to people like manner for it. So you know, look the Trump White Ass does not want to be seen, has not cooperating with Bob Mahler for President tromp. The special councils probe of possible ties between the White House and the Russians comes down to two words witch hunt. The entire thing has been a witch hunt, I'm interested in. Why you think that the president, after being

vocally angry for so long about this investigation and about Bob Mahler has gotten car quiet. What's that about? Do you think will there is a there's been turn over on his legal team, and I think the idea has been really driven home to the President, that that is a counter productive route going scorched earth against Burma. We want a strike, a collaborative tone, a cooperative tone white, our special Counselor type Cobb, issued a statement of the White House favours anything that accelerates the conclusion of his work fairly. The white ass is committed to fully cooperating with Mr Miller and look. I can see why, if you believe that this investigation is nonsense, which is what the present

I said he believes, then the fastest thing you can do to get out from under it is just to cooperate on a person map. Thank you very much greater me back. After the break the behind the scenes battle inside the White House over whether What reading too much will be right back support for the daily comes from tee in tee. Presenting the in angel of darkness. The all new season of the acclaimed Emmy Award winning television series at the turn of the twentieth century uncover a dark and sinister trail of death and deceit as an intrepid team of crime, solvers reunite to hunt and elusive killer Daniel Brutal Luke Evans and Dakota Fanning STAR in the aliens angel of darkness,

new season premier Sunday July, nineteen, that nine eight central anti anti go to the aliens dot com for more Kendall. You had a moment there, reporters dream about so give us the scene Yes, I went to a b l t stake. It's a restaurant precisely one hundred and seventy one feet Times Dc Bureaus one method on twitter. So can take credit for that, but to meet a source we sat down outside and order Jordan away and about midway through the lunch. My sources: hey? Isn't that that Trump, lawyer and I turned around and noticed a trade mark handlebar moustache and High Cobb, who was brought in to be the internal lead within the White House in handling the Russia Investigation and he to be dining with another gentleman who I did immediately identified. Wait, let me out, let me doesn't arrived from when you

see, tie Cobb is but this distinguished mustache and you realize who it is dear me to your ears, perk up like Oh yeah, inherently intriguing site, yes, they Daphne programme. So we got a wrap up, launch- and I know this source works in the same direction as the times deceiving I, like you, come in, I actually where'd. You go ahead. I'll hang out here, get another eyes: tiered zero died, so I sit there and proceed to talk for another thirty, forty five minutes, while I'm sitting there and you know, kept on waiting for them to sort of notice me there and look over. I wonder what I was doing at least tone it down. Yo decrease of I'm on their conversation, if not stop entirely, but they didn't do that. In fact, they proceeded to continue talking about this supersensitive stuff as various boo hoo, I felt like they should have recognised stopped by to say hi to because they noticed beyond the street, including our colleague, Maggie Haber, men,

leave ready recognisable Women and a couple other times DC. Borders at some other read of sources of their coming by like hey. What do you do is sit there by yourself and cut alike, given them the like Cato the neck like stops, and not allow go away. These these guys get said you'd go at odd. So can what do you think might be going on a first? What do you want you hearing? and observing. You know that it's tie Cobb sitting at one side of this table, but you don't know who's on the other side right yeah, I made it pretty quickly. Became clear once my source left, and I was able to fully focus on this fascinating conversation that they were talking about their legal strategy, these evade the Trump Russia Investigation and, in the course of this, as I'm taking notes, I kind of vat, slightly hold out my phone without like aiming the camera at them and take a photo of them across the table, will be able to capture who decide

guy was- and I said that further to my colleagues in the Times Dc Bureau, whoever the drop investigation, as you know, continuing to sit there. Dropping on this conversation, I said to them. I say I am listening to tie carved talk about their Russia resignation, legal strategy with this guy. Do you know who it is and instantly one of my guys despite or that's totally doubt trumps led outside attorney, and I was likewise so it is so what some of the specific things that your hearing in the restaurant from these two us so overhearing these two lawyers who represent trump, albeit indifferent, capacities, one inside the White House and one at outside the White House. As a personal attorney talking about their strategy, which apply there is to be a shared strategy towards dealing with These document production request from Robert Mahler. The special council tie Cobb artists- late. This perspective to John doubt that producing more doc,

and two Mahler and and fulfilling his request even airing on the side of inclusion when it comes to determining which documents to provide him would ultimately serve the president's interest. By revealing to Mahler their position, which is what I call put it in this in this launch, that we are not hiding any and that in so doing it might lead Mahler to wrap, if not wrap up his investigation at least wrap up its focus on the president and move on now Cobb expresses

frustration during this launch that Don began. The White House Council does not share this perspective and is taking a much more conservative approached a document production now. Subsequently, we talked to folks who are close to him again, who are ticketed his viewpoint, which is that revealing too much and giving over too many documents might limit the ability of President tromp in either this investigation. Other road or potentially future of aspirations are legal dealings down the road to assert presidential privileges, idea that some of the stuff that a president does is is more properly kept from public in sumptuary than consumption of of prosecutors, who at that was something that might hamper or or damage, not just drop in this situation, but drop down the road, and maybe even the institution of the presidency and future presidents that they might.

Less able to assert privilege if there was this precedent of tromp in this case, turning over a wide range of documents to the special council which entered into by that is that our colleague, Mr Putin was just telling us that why? How seems to have settled on a strategy of cooperation? Broadly speaking, but it sounds like what you discovered over this lunch is that behind them there's there's an internal fight over whether you can be too cooperative yet and to some extent this is a fight that you would expect that they would be having just because of the difference in function that tie Cobb is brought into stew, the president clear of this investigation DOM again, on the other hand, is representing the office of the Is it an see as an institution and there might be competing imperatives there? That say

It was fascinating to hear this debate actually playing out in real time at a moment at which the White House and the Trump legal team are trying to settle or maybe are have already settled, on a strategy. Navigating this investigation, and it was also really illuminating, to hear the way in which this debate has kind of me first itself and distrust and suspicion to the point where Cobb at one point said that he thinks again, has a spy. Somebody was reporting back to Mcgann on on what Tie Cobb's operation is due and be and the spire Cobb suspicion that there's a spy in his Metz. We actually talking to folks her that some of these lawyers believed that someone in their midst might have a wire tapie wearing a tap for Bob all the special council shocking to folks that that day they cut it Poohpooh that had said now that just paranoid

There is no way that he would do that, but it just goes to show you how much this for us. There isn't suspicion on this legal team that is ostensibly working towards the same, and I mean, if you're at the point, where there's that much distrust inside his legal, I mean how can they possibly mount a defence and operate together and make this work a visa v. This Jordan, airily, muscular aggressive special council that we ve just been talking about. Yeah, it's a good question, and- and this is something that the special council I think, tries to exploit or any prosecutor traces exploit. That being fought lie envisions within the various folks who have attracted interest. And so, if mothers goal the format distrusted divisions, I think you could say mission accomplished so can. Finally, I have to do

say: you're you're overhearing, these White House lawyers at a prominent DC, stake out talking loudly in front of our times reporter about how the present has nothing to hide. If this were a spy novel, they know exactly who you are the other seas of suggestion to that effect, that this was somehow a plan and an effort by com or down to get out there perspective, but by our reporting we We talk to people about these different arguments and divergent viewpoints, but we also told them. This is We know that this debate is going on. We overheard this conversation well that got back to both Don began at White House staff, John Kelly, and they were none to please. That's that tie Cobb and, to a lesser extent, John Doubt had put I'm in this position. By being so careless with this incredibly sensitive information, they called Tie Cobb in, and we understand expressed that

Displeasure centrally chewed him out over having this conversation in this incredibly public place can. Thank you very much has been nice to have you often first, I'm Pritchett yeah was fun Here's what else you need to know that the United Nations was founded on truly noble, gulls, these include affirming the dignity and worth of the human person and striving for international peace in here first visit to the United Nations. Is President Donald Trump praise the organization for its intentions, but four major reforms in its operations saying it's become bloated and inefficient. While the United Nations on a regular budget has increased by one hundred and forty percent and its staff has more than doubled since two thousand, we are not seeing the results in line with this.

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