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Nowhere is that strategy more controversial than in yes, These elections for a house seed in Michigan, my colleague, Jonathan weisman explains the it's Wednesday august. Third, the Jonathan happy primary day to you well same to you Michael and it's a big day. It is a big day and there are actually several closely watched primer cross country. One of the most closely watched is the republican primary for congress and mission. Jonathan tell us about that race, okay, so we're looking at a house seed in western midge again. Centered on the city of grand rapids now represented by a guiding peter mire mire, is a freshman republican

he's, pretty main line to moderate, he comes from one of the biggest names in western michigan. The mire family. If you ve ever been there you'll see grocery stores all over the place called Meyer. That's him and he has a military background, he's very personal and well liked and he's now just completing his first term in congress, a term that began with the impeachment of donald trump. Knowing that this was a vote, I had to take may be hard sick. He was the only freshmen republican to vote to impeach trump or when it comes to a president when it comes to a leader baby. This is my experience in the military, but I think we should be holding folkestone higher standards. In fact, he is the first freshmen ever to vote to impeach a president of his own party for intra than we had remedy

meyer on the daily right after that impeachment vote and after the capital riot that led to that appeals from vote, and he told us that he understood that that was a risky thing for a public and due to vote against the president was on party, but it was his principles he had to do. It that lead democrats to really hold him up as a kind of uncommon model of political courage. That's right only Peter Meyer. didn't just stumble in he's, not some innocent who accidentally got himself in This position. He knew what he was doing and disposition is coming to roost right now, so his primary challenge, is a guy named John Gibbs. You president trot, thank you for the bottle. You provide for every decent american to stop being afraid for change John gibbs is a pure trump endorsed candidate, very maggie.

The raises some sort He served in the trump administration as an aid to doktor Ben Carson at the department of housing in development. In fact. was nominated to head the office of personal management, which is a big job in washington. He didn't get that job and why you didn't get the job, because of some of the somewhat crazy things that he had said on social media. About democrats such ass, he com, democrats, the islam loving gender bending party of you races. He once said that John Podesta, the former campaign, chairman of Hillary Clinton campaign and twenty sixteen

was involved in satanic rituals right. That is not true, of course. Of course, that is not true, but obviously, if John gives is talking about John protested and satanic it was, he is doing the nod to the most far fetched conspiracy theories out there on the far right right, so this is shaping up to be a pretty classic match up in the trump era of rubber can primaries, which is to say an all line, centrist style republican, is facing off and a very new styled, magua donald trump mould publican. It's a movie. We ve seen many times before and republican primaries o absolutely amid this is the story line of twenty twenty to them.

I versus the center of the republican party, but in this case there's this remarkable twist. The democratic congressional campaign committee, the official political wing of the house democratic party, has moved in with a huge add by not back my. But to back John gibbs, the mega candidate, though this is not an insignificant. Add by this is four hundred and thirty, five thousand dollars. In fact that is more money than John gibbs has raised. Its entire campaign, and the Democrats, you just don't forget in in the final days now this add it ostensibly, is attacking john gibbs but it's not john gibbs is too conservative for west michigan handling by truck

to run for congress gives called from the greatest precedent worked and there's a kite iran over the abbots as John gibson donald trump same policies. Gibbs has promised to push that same conservative agenda in congress, and then they go through those I was a hard line against immigrants at the border and so called patriotic education in our schools. The gift trump agenda is too conservative for west michigan. Deasey c c is responsible for the content of this advertising. Now, if that doesn't sound like an attack on job, gibbs. It isn't especially to the mines of republican primary boaters, most of whom are strong trumps borders. So when they see hand picked by trunk to one for congress, they don't feel an attack, they think. Oh, that's. My the date John gibbs ha. So this is a. lie democratic, designed to make gibbs

more appealing to conservative primary vote. It might masquerade as an attack on em, but actually it's just designed to make him more popular with the report and base, and it means the Democrats or trying to defeat mire. Despite the fact that mire was an ally in the impeachment vote and the kind of republican the Democrats say that they favour and want and congress that's right. Michael p Meyer has been extolled by dozens of democrats as exactly the kind of Republican They want in congress in him a principled conservative I who they can negotiate with, who can sit down at the table and actually hash out legislation with them and

that's why so many people are really angry at the Democrats and, frankly, people hikers angry, he wrote recently. You would think that the Democrats would look John gibbs, and see the embodiment of what they say. They most fear that as patriots, they would use every tool at their debts. I to defeat him and similar candidates that they ve said or an existential threat. Instead, they are funding gibbs Well then, what is the logic behind this democratic strategy that seem on its face to make a whole lot of sense. The logic is raw politics and it's pretty simple in a swing district grand rapids there's one republican that the Democrats think they can defeat, and that is a far right mega report

Can they want in november to have their candidate facing John gibbs? They don't want candidate facing a moderate incumbent republican like PETE Meyer, p mire hard to be John gibbs easier to me. That's what they hope so dont an is this a proven strategy elevating the far right candidate in order to, in theory, have an easier democratic victory in a general election. This is a strategy that goes back a decade to the original effort. That was at that time, hailed as a remarkable guts move and that was done by then senator clare mechanic in missouri climate castle.

was a moderate democrat representing a state that was deafening trending republican missouri, and she was facing real action at a time when brought burma was back on the ballot running for his own real action and it was not a very popular person in Missouri right, so she did something that really was unheard of. At that time she looked at the three. Republican candidates running against her in a primary decided she was going to pick her opponent for that november and she picked the most conservative most bombastic candidate of the three.

Then his name was todd aching and when you say picked him drop it. How did she pick? Em aching was a very under funded candidate. It was a house member, but without huge name recognition and she caught an advertisement, I'm clare mechanical, I approve message with a bunch of things that would really appeal to Missouri republicans, the most conservative congressmen in Missouri, as our senator Todd akin put crucial time can is a crusader against bigger government aching would completely eliminate the departments of education and energy and private eye social security. I think that most conservatives in Missouri would think that was a bad thing. Todd's pro family agenda without war, many forms of contraception below a pro family agenda is a pretty positive thing among republicans, and then she had this coup de grass and taken alone

as president obama is a complete minutes to our civilization in alone says, president obama is a complete menace to our civilization now, obviously to some people That would be an outlandish thing to say, but to a whole lot of Republicans barack obama, At that time it was seen as a complete menace to our civilization taken missouri. True conservative is just too conservative was an amazing add for the moment. It elevated him at a time when he didn't have any on each run. His own ends so in effect clare mechanical was setting the tone and the tenor of the final weeks of the primary republican, primarily and guess what toddy again one that primary you know she had hoped that he would be a terrible general. What

in candidate, not just because of his ideology, but because she felt like he had no filter. He didn't understand. That's swell, just wasn't very smart to be honest and guess what that proved also to be very true because in the general, action. Tar again made one of those gaps that become legendary ache in a social conservative was asked about his opposition to abortion, even in the case of writing to me, first of all, for what I understand from doc that's really rare if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down: but let's assume it was a moment that made everybody gasped, including republicans fellow republicans, couldn't run away fast enough from congressmen taught acorns remarks. Republican leaders are trying to force, taught ache to quit the race, but so far he is standing

He ended up absolutely getting crushed by clear mackay. Go in a year when brok obama lost missouri, really big, and they all said it's over. It's done, it's too it's just to read. There is no way that clear mc Caskey cans provides. Well, you know what happened. You proved him. So this was about his big us. cs. As you can imagine, from this democratic gee extremely new back and twenty twelve to elevate the far right republic in in the hopes of Democrats. It think it and beat them. In general,

That's right, I mean a democrat meddling in a republican. Primary was just something that no one had it. I heard of air No one could believe how success what was really elevated, claremont gaskell in democrats, mines as April medical genius and the kind of Democrat that so many democrats say are too far in view in the party, the kind of democratic willing to What it takes to win an election, and she won that election. So I have to imagine a democratic. In themselves. Well, this strategy has a huge future and our political playbook demo, It's kind of top this away as one of their proudest moments in show that they knew politics, ain't being back. But you know over the years between twenty, twelve and now the chance to do this kind of thing. Just didn't crop up very much. It was not so

that you saw routinely deployed by either party, but then when twenty two came around all the sun. They saw the opportunities to play this game over and over and over again, basically, wherever they saw a moderate republican, lying with a pro tromp mega republican in a district that they thought they could win, they deployed and they have deployed it. Probably in a dozen races, large and small, this campaign cycle

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answers that shape people's opinions. I would definitely consider myself during that time, conservative I was tired rise lulu. I dont know how to answer that. It's hard to explain your life to somebody. Who's never heard it for new non irene, I mean, Week will introduce you to people whose stories help us understand a complicated world, because every opinion starts with a story: regulation union eyes again pressure is actually a felony. That's the heart of the story and a lot of ways. How did I blame myself pregnant? I poured my wife to becoming a strong pastor this diagnosis was telling me you can't be that anymore. First person and wherever you get. Your part casts so drove and tell us about some of these republican races were democrats are once again meddling ahead of them. It terms

I think, the one that most parallels, what the democratic congressional campaign committees doing its pete Meyer was in California. That's where a incumbent reply what him David validate. Oh, was facing a mega trump person named Chris matisse, the house majority pack, which is the official super pac of the house Democrats went in with an add that had to soup cans, one labelled christmas season, one label David, validate o republicans, gotta check the ingredients. David melody claims he's republican, yet David validate, voted to impeach president trump Yeah validate voted to impeach draw and then they said

public increase matisse. A true conserve chris matisse is a wonderful guy, nice music, whatever trump republican, chris matisse military, veteran, local business man or politician David, validate, voted to impeach trump republicans, it's time to decide how they totally backed matisse. But that's just one example: republican darin bailey an agenda too conservative for illinois, one they democratic governance, Souci can also boosted a very conservative right wing republican named therein bailey, who is running for governor of illinois and is time went on and on and on a regular basis. Too conservative for colorado Dan to close to trump too, four maryland one eggs, too conservative cholera, and I could name probably a half dozen more cases too,

Has this democratic strategy worked so far in these primers? And I guess we have to define what working means has it succeeded in electing the far right republican as the republican nominee, who would face the democratic nominee in the general election? Well, it's a mixed bag. Coming in in cases like that race in California, with David validate, it absolutely did not work David valid a won that race he's going to be a tough candidate to beat in november. In other cases, actually did work in illinois, for instance, the far right candidate? The Democrats were back therein Bailey he one it's going to be very hard for daring bailey to win the governors race in november and in other cases, I'd say it worked too well and for that one I point a pennsylvania in pay.

Of india. The Democrat running josh apparel for governor he chose his opponent. Guy named mastery are no mastery are now is a very far right. Republican Maggie backer absolute election deny our and the Democrats thought okay Masri on oh can't win. Can he is republican state senator dont mastery on he's too, so they started boosting Masri on those campaign for governor and these Donald trump's, strongest supporters. He wants to end vote by mail and he led the fight to audit the two thousand and twenty election. The mastery on a win is a win for what donald trump stands, the, what we want in pennsylvania. Well, I would say: that a lot of republicans did want that, and mostly yano did win. the republican primary for governor and now

we're looking at polling and showing that maastricht has a real chance of winning in november. It's very close, so they picked a candidate, but they didn't know Let pick a losing candidate and if a far right republican election deny our is. the governor in pennsylvania, the ramifications for democracy and for the What kind of party are very severe right, so this is kind of a nightmare. Area in which Democrats may have miscalculated How unique, though, is that so We owe this year when you look at the grand scheme of all the races the Democrats are trying to meddle in. I dont think that unique at all the honest, because in fact of the matter is with inflation at your highs with president Biden with stubborn.

A poor approval ratings grant? No. This is one of those years where a lot of republicans could be elected who in an ordinary year, would not be elected. So I mean honestly everywhere that the Democrats choose afar, candidate and that candidate wins the primary democrats or what the dice. This is a dangerous strategy should, on this, inevitably raises the question of why democrats would be willing to take this level of risk. I think the risk is kind of twofold right. The first risk is electing far right. Anti democratic candidates like battery when pennsylvania and the second is the sk of driving out the code on quote good republicans from places like congress. Heat myers, and so I wonder how democratic strategies and democratic party

Leaders who have decided that they're gonna use the strategy across this mid term, our thinking about that and how you think about it, we'll think about the democratic party as the party in power. This is the party that controls the house controls the senate and controls the white house in a year when republicans seem to be coming on strong. The Democrats are just looking out at the landscape and always see a few areas where they feel like they can play orphans. and really take it to the republicans so the demagogy or to say look the places we can play orphans are few and far between and we are not going to be dissuaded from doing it based on some principle of the future of democracy. so the reason why Democrats can rational is doing what they're doing here and taking out moderates like

a day or mire. Is that it's a personal theirs. The political reality that, while it kind of looks cruel to do that to your ally thou addio admire. They occupy exactly the kind of seats that Democrats can and must win in his midterms if they want to control congress, and so they don't have a whole compunction about knocking them out. That's right. I mean it. Look at wave election years when congress has flipped. Sadly, It's unusual way, the moderates, the left of centre or right of centre members of congress that lou because, by definition, those people are moderate, because there are districts are moderate, their swinging votes in a swing district, and so you know if you got a deal

and now I gotta take out an old friend, so be it or Jonathan. Thank you very much. We appreciate your time well, thank you for having the mecca in the early hours of Wednesday morning represented peter Meyer was narrowly defeated by John gives the candidate mooted by democrats, gifts We will now move on to a general election in which his Democratic rival is heavily favoured to prevail order. It back. Hi, I'm cardiff, garcia. I am a journalist and applaud castor, who spent years covering the economy and the different ways that we buy sell.

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