From the New York Times, I'm likeable borrow this So far, the debate over school. We openings has dominated by a president who is determined to students back into classrooms. We want to reopen the schools Everybody wanted the moms wanted. Dad's wanted the kids want. It is time to do it and by local school officials are answering that call very much going to put pressure on governors and everybody else open the schools today, my colleague Dana Gorsky, on why teachers

and there you are define those plans. It's Thursday August. Thirteen. Good evening, I stand here today, not only as Governor Florida there's a husband, a father, a son and a friend to have a conversation about how we as Floridians approach these challenging times. As a parent of three. I know that my fellow parents here in Florida, one nothing more than to provide a bright future for their children and here's the hard truth. While there risk to students from in person. Learning are low. The cost of keeping schools closed are enormous. Don't tell me about this situation with schools in Florida.

In early July, just as the Trump administration from Washington was pushing school to reopen their physical campuses across the country, order was this day that really leaned heavily and that same direction under their republican governor IRAN, dissenters. The important thing is that ok, let's have a meaningful choice when it comes to impersonal education- let's not, let fear get the best of us and harm our children in the process estate issued this exam. Could have order, the state is announcing its requiring all schools to reopen for in person classes next month August tearing gloves, I had to reopen five days a week so that announcement coming today given worthless is your analysis. If I mean my analysis, is it that is insane, and this was shocking to see we're in towns and scoreboard. You know they had spent months of May June into July, mostly planning

A hybrid model of education, kids would go to school, two or three or It may even just one day a week in person and be home learning on the rest of the time school districts all of a sudden were being told you have to offer parents and families the option of five days a week and the bill. Then we are not ready to schools and all this we need to slow down and take up all age it this way around this state and what would happen if schools didn't physically reopen five days a week. You now, I think the kind of underlying threat was that you would lose state dollars if you dont, provide families with this option for any person learning, and this threat to them was quite scary, because state funding for education, as the main thing that funds our school system in the United States and what was the state of the pandemic when

Saint afforded makes this demand fowl These numbers were so shocking to us. When we did reporting on this that we actually fact check them many many times to make sure they were cracked Florida shattering its daily record, recording more than fifteen thousand cases, accounting for upwards of the total new daily cases in the United States and some far far too counties and the month. Lie self lords. Miami date has seen a staggering daily positivity rate of thirty three percent between twenty and thirty percent. Corona virus tests were coming back positive and the World Health Organization, the state of California, this data, York have tended to use a range of about five percent to ten percent test positivity rates as something to look at when deciding whether or not to open schools. So here you might see you know for a time he that

Amber and a city like Miami here in Miami Data? According to county data released yesterday, the goal for the county is not to exceed ten percent. They have acceded that for the past to fourteen days, when you know a strong indication that the virus is completely aren't checked in that region and factor was one of the most dangerous cities for the virus in the union it states rights. What was the reaction across borders to this executive order? Anger? If the government wants to open both publicly, how about we invite you to come in the class. You know a lot of teachers and educators were angry. After all, how about preventive measures would have her pain, because that's exactly what you're doing you're on the lines of a pandemic that you didn't start, you didn't

We do, however, because they found that their safety and, in some respects safety of the entire community from a public health perspective, was nowhere. In those conversations I teach my students, the history of America, how this garment has run our work. This is a democracy, our voices need to be heard, and my inbox and social media were filled with messages from teachers. So I want everyone here, my boy, that if I die from catching cold and ninety four being worth back into Penelope School, you can drop by that body here, and it was just this sense that the question of whether we should go back

not pay enough attention to teach her as health risks. Do you feel ready to return to your classroom? I do not. I personally have less sleeper writ I've cried over it. I cry over it alive. It's very very scary, and the one thing I'm going to say I will say online learning is not ideal, but it will keep our children safe, I'm a teacher. I've been with divine accounting for twenty three years. I have other at home, that is it, and if I am to get the krona virus, I dont want to bring back to her. Yes, it's really important that kids get educated. It's really important that parents be able to work during the day and children have the basic child care that schools divide. However, we teachers lover students. We agree that the best place for students and school, but that's only if their safe is going what's more dangerous for students or for their families that we should hold off and do some sort of

learning or hybrid mokroe until it stay for them. I think there's no way to social distance and our already crowded class, rooms there is not enough money to provide for the extra staff that we would need and the extra pete- either we would mean. I dont think that it's worth the risk we are used to going into schools that sometimes don't have spoken. The bathrooms that sometimes broken windows that prevent us from circulating, fresh air that have dated heating and ventilation systems and where is our house and this equation? This is not how I want to go back and I want to go back so bad. I love teaching. I miss my classroom. I miss my kids

so what'd teachers informed. I do a largest teachers union in Florida is suing the state over its executive order, mandating that schools reopen next month with in person instruction from a bunch of the local and national union groups. I represent teachers together and they soon the state of Florida in the law suit. The union says the state is unconstitutionally, forcing millions of students and teachers into unsafe schools Fang that this exactly. Order requiring schools to reopen five days a week in person actually violate for it is on state law that also calls for schools to be safe. The shooters children or at risk of contracting and spreading the virus and of developing severe illness resulting in death and the state mandate to open schools is impossible to comply with

He d C guidelines on physical, distancing, hygiene and sanitation, if schools or operating at full capacity, is really very simple at our argument that going back five days a week is not safe and therefore I cannot be Rico per I have to think that it's a pretty unusual act in of teachers. Doing to stop their own schools from reopening yeah

staff, namely unusual, notable and interesting the paved the way for similar threats to sue across the country, including northern cities like Chicago and York, and shortly after this Florida suit came down. The American Federation of Teachers has told us one point: seven million members that if they choose to strike the union will have their back. The American Federation of Teachers, which has one of the two national unions, authorized any of their local across the country to plan a strike in the event that safety precautions are not Matt to reopen schools, while so a national decision is saying a grounds for a striking which tricks I've always thought it is wages. Health care these kinds of issues there now saying you made decide to strike over unsafe,

poor conditions in the middle of a pandemic, exactly the stretcher strike as very a powerful and pragmatic, because once teachers threatened to strike over these safety measures and questions of funding, it really puts pressure on the local school districts to give them a big seat at the table and just the court decision, which is, are we even going to try to have and persons war thus far the New York Times wants to invite you to join our panel by joining our panel. You'll provide regular feedback about the show, and general experiences with advertising and products from the times while connecting with fellow listeners and readers join it

times, dot com slash daily listener. As teachers are seeking a place at the table and threatening to shrink if they don't feel like schools are safe? What exactly are they asking for an order fuel ready to return to the closer? We are seeing a very broad range of demands from teachers, and it runs the spectrum from very specific and achievable requests to ones that are hugely ambitious time consuming expensive or maybe even impossible to achieve. Still experiencing any transmission of quota nineteen. What do you mean so, for example, in Orlando, when I spoke to teachers there in July, the requests were really quite reasonable. They want and face masks to be required. They wanted temperature tracks and all school

a strict buildings and then the American Federation of Teachers, the National Union authorized strikes had a very specific set of demands that they were looking for nationally. They wanted to see test positivity rates for the virus below five percent transmission rates below one percent, effective contact tracing for the entire region, the school to require masks, update ventilation systems and put in place procedures to maintain six feet of distance. So. Very much sort of in line with CDC guidelines for being as safe as possible to the union is making demands of an entire community and level of income. And transmission and contact raising beyond the school. Exactly there expecting those things to work in the whole region before you sort of even get to the question of what sort of people is available to teach her. Something like that

but less practical requests from teachers. So there you see this big movement doubling up and social media under the hashtag fourteen days. No new cases- and this is really quite radical- demand for schools not to reopen feather we enter. There are no new cases on a region. For fourteen days now, many nations have been able to reopen their school safely without achieving that standard, and when I'm spoken to public health experts about this, what they say. As you know, fourteen days no new cases, is not just our control pandemic is essentially the end of a pandemic in that region, and it might require a vaccine to get to that standard, not just a vaccine that exists and works, but that has actually been too

boy widely. Why? When will that occur? Will that occur as six months from now twelve months from now? Two years from now? We just don't know the answer to that and those start to be very big numbers when you're thinking about children being out of school. I wonder what these demands from teachers look like two parents in this moment I mean a mindful that many parents want their kids to return a school for, a variety of very understandable reasons, that's right, emulating there really hard thing is that there is no consensus, are even strong majority opinion among parents. One recent national pause found about sixty percent of parents at this moment believe at smarter to delay reopening physical schools until the virus subside somewhere, and there are more safety measures in place by in some big cities where the

Iris, has been relatively well controlled, like New York in Chicago Poles have found that a majority of families do have some willingness to send their kids back to school and too another layer of complication. It tends to be parents of color and low income. Parents that are the most scared of the health threats to their children of Congress. Gazing in school buildings by those families are also the most concerned about their kids falling back socially and academically, because schools are closed. So there is just no consensus among parents as her what they feel safe. It would, in some ways be easier if american parents all agreed each other about what was right here and, of course, in the absence of physically returning to schools, were left with online there and we have Covered on the show, the problems with how to

yours and school districts are approaching yeah. So the sprang. Only a small segment of american school districts actually required teachers to teach live lessons over something like zoom video, here. I think there is actually more risk of tension between parents and teachers because we are starting to see from poles what parents are asking for. In a city, vision of continued remote learning. They were not happy that in the spring, many of their kids did not see teachers rivalry, video many teachers were interacting with there students, primarily over email, it sort of random times per day, and that's not what parents want they want. Their students to law gone at very special

at times and be in something like an online class where they would have small group break out sessions and discussions and have the opportunity to ask the teacher questions and get individualised feedback and teachers unions are stolen, some cases resisting of these practices, including even showing their faces on live video anyone That b, I guess I'm confused of teachers are deeply reluctant to return to schools for very understandable reasons that you just outlined, and they don't feel school districts are meeting them half way. Why would they simultaneously be resisting a more enriched on and remote teaching experience both of them

our argument that it's not fair to provide too much alive instruction because students who don't have than adults to supervise their online learning at home, they at exactly Tenaya Mate, just miss out on the live lesson. So they think that that mood of education is not effective, but I have also heard some arguments. Such simpler than that that they don't want their homes to be shot, they're, not comfortable and that media in and they believe it the violation of their own privacy to be shown from home in that way. So it's a rain We have different arguments there. There would seem to raise a real crisis mean teachers both. Wanting to be in classrooms but also not wanting

to teach our mine the way parents want them to. While this has been the sort of crops for these very tense latest negotiations across the country between teachers and school district leaders didn't I know, a bunch of school districts around the country have actually started classes in schools, and I wonder how that has played out while there I've been some horror stories. Unfortunately, in Georgia This photo of a crowded, hallway, no mask insight from North Paulding. High school went viral after the school open for in person learning on August. Third, you know for one of the first districts to reopen, which was in Georgia. Hundreds of staff were told to stay home because of patents. Exposure to the wire and stay the swarming closed a week after that, reopening

in Indiana, one student at green field, central junior high tested positive on the very first day of school right away, those junior high school with having you not to call teachers and cause students, families and ask them to stay on for two exchanges at Ellwood, junior senior high now have to go remote after staff members. They are tested positive, recovered nineteen, now that extremely alarming, but I want to say that nobody was a public health or education expert. Believes that we're going to reopen schools without students and teachers showing up from time to time positive for covered nineteen. That's not a realistic expectations by what we do need our procedures in place to deal with that when that happens, I mean it needs to be clear, who is getting told to stay home for two weeks and Their access to testing for anyone who came in contact with that positive individual, so

in many ways, I think these anecdotes that were hearing of kind of first stay back crises in towns and cities that are trying to reopen physically do show that you know many of the concerns that teachers have brought to the table here. Agenda, so those are a small number of districts. It have already reopen but many of the nation's largest school districts, Chicago LOS Angeles, Washington DC, among others, are firmly saying that they will not physically reopen schools at least initially and now represents millions of stood. So do teachers, unions and teachers see that as a kind of victory, they do you see it as a victory. Absolutely they believe that's not only what's necessary to protect their. How but the prevent schools emerging as potential hotspots for spreading covert. Nineteen.

I think, with an that victory. There is also a real tragedy for american children and actually for our country, because to be place where the needs of public health and safety are really juxtaposed against our ability to fully educate? Our kids is to be in a place that very few developed nations are in right now and it is because of our failure to control the pandemic itself. We are looking at the real life. We heard that millions are tens of millions of children do not attend school for an entire year, a full year of no school and we just now that's going to lead to big problems, that's going to make kids less likely.

Learn to read it's going to probably lead to higher high school drop out rates, it's going to lead to students who don't have enough to eat because school is where they are fed and just units that don't have access to the mental health counselling and the special education services that they can't schools. So the fact that we are having to choose between everything crucial that the physical school provides and public health- It stunning at stunning to me as a fifteen year about around on the education be unjust, also is apparent. You know my daughter is going to come through this pandemic. Just fine. You know she has access to a great child care and we have a lot of resources in our home and family to bring her through this. But still it's it's really sad for our family that she's I think the priests war experience that we really wanted her to have like they spend months since she was with teachers and socializing with a group of students, and she started either

to become more timid around other kids. We ve noticed when we do take those walks out to the playground, and you know sad for our family and issues, a tiny microcosm of house added as far country. Do you think you re much? Thank you so much. My starting this week, several floor to school. Stressed began holding in person classes, even as the lawsuit filed by the States teachers unions moves ahead. A court hearing in that case is scheduled for later today, Meanwhile, in New York City on Wednesday, the influential during its representing principles and teachers cold on this to delay, starting in person instruction by several weeks in a statement.

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