Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine the student experiment The Third Wave
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They have school, the principal allowed teachers to trout, unconventional curriculums and teaching tools or students,
role play in order to experience what they were learning about? Ok, one,
teacher year, who frequently used
Simulations was twenty five you're wrong Jones, the schools hissed,
we and social studies teacher
He he joined the school in nineteen sixty five.
He was a stand. A stand, graduate carrying a masters degree spree, pretty fancy chair,
he sent out a bit. He didn't dress up in a suit and tie like the other teachers he's in a suit and a tie that well now he's got a short sleeve shirt. Oh okay, so he's like Dennis from yeah he's going shirts levy.
He wore a plain white nap were plain white,
the plane
White button up shirts and he'd roll his shirtsleeves up
so like devotees various it can serve as a concern-
so called clusters because you'd bringing
speakers like communists, clansmen,
and a member of the American Nazi Party
I scope the okay, so he's kind of shy, he's kind of showing the kids like well. This is what these people are like right. Then he would allow them to come in and then
I mean ideally you're not like. I want to do a deal. You know they talked about outdoors in years, will back us fucked in the hat. Well also, I would say that the thing that we do here is like avoid the toughest jack. So it's like that is good domain.
it's interesting and is now as long as long as it's framed, correct in then, as I like when the clans guys about given like this next guys. Us you know,
I guess I've really. I like these guys are real there's. One of them is a document of recent medicine
so
so Jones was also an actor and affection writer and he would bring is creative side to the classes of chinese teaching. The kids with the simulations specially
when you say simulations, you mean the the bringing
Speakers are there's more now, there's more. He would like do like a role playing thing like a you know like you would have kids acts on the angle. This is why this is applicable to okay, whatever
using relations, because we want to show all sides of a situation experimental exe.
Mental teaching was very big at the time. Nineteen is our Johnson.
An exceptional teacher and all the students be his class. If you were in his class others to join us. Ok,
three periods day he taught
Temporary history class: ok,
bunch of sixty seven here
teaching about the time just before world or to focusing on Germany, has on them.
History but
Germany during World WAR? Two, I dunno. I know this one, not great and good guys knock Nope the are as bad as not
Iran's about got but their specific, we really bad. The worst guys you down in our skies. Ok by far outweigh the japanese nitrate, either there's a lot of killing happening. Ok, ok,
I've student asked how the Germans were able to carry out the atrocities of the Holocaust good question
the question is a country. Come to that place and Jones in Amman answer,
later that we keep formed his classes. There will be some role playing the next week now these are all pretty clean, clear cut,
fifteen year old kids,
so that Monday, students,
I've been Joneses class to fight
All the chairs in a row.
Jones Dark in the room torn down
other posters and put on Bognor on the stereo and these it. These are children, the fifteen. Ok,
He told them. There was going to be an experiment. Your face, wait, a minute.
Every student who participated were receiving aid. If they do
participate. They had to go to the library if they
Just went along
we get to see if there are active, they would get in a if
since the library they got enough. Ok,
So it's a big deal because an aim in this class,
here. The college is a really big shirk loud enough. What really hurt.
and he wasn't using. He wasn't, as usual, smiling self. On Monday, there are very sorry, happy teacher
they call by his first name. Braun super sixties, these intense on this day,
this is not something may seem before he was
the fund to be around
and now he sang man to call MR jobs they.
I have to call him Mister Jones yeah before that, before the oh, I'm wrong re re row right, okay, call in Mr John, then I was like yours that guy you're calling me Mr Zhao right: okay, so
about discipline and started by calling discipline beautiful. He described quote
How an athlete feels having worked hard and regularly to be successful at a sport, how ballet dancers painter works hard to perfect a movement he dedicated patients.
the dedicated patients of a scientist in pursuit of an idea. It's discipline that self training
true the power of the will, the exchange of physical.
Hardships for superior mental and physical faculties,
the ultimate triumph Kay
what's happening right now with them?
the class to sit up straight
where they could sit power. However, they light the hidden careless. It now is like
it is in a specific way, but their chairs are all lake
in a line right, ok, Joe,
then lectured intensely on the importance of good posture telling it
telling them and help them breathe, easier and made them cons.
Better, a home
the students also straight and chairs,
next Jones walked down the isles and criticized each didn't making sure they sat perfectly where their feet flat. On the floor
and their hands on the small there back, forcing
spine up straight, so
It's trying to like answer the question of like how did how did
Germany get away with this shit private. Still
waiting to find out how to get there
he told them sitting like this. Let me breathe easy, like I said, and if their breathing easier, they could think better
and their answers will be more concise, sure.
so once Jones was satisfied with how everyone sitting everyone sitting the way you want it here,
stand up and walk outside the classroom. Ok
and then he told them to do an exercise, run
their chairs, and sit down at attention as each on them as fast as possible, and it was chaos
the students, are rushing in making noise bumping into each other Jones says.
You can do it faster,
and so they do it again and again,
until a tightening up when the more they did. It.
the better they get at it in a short amount of time, or move quietly in the class into their seats in an orderly fashion within fifteen seconds. Okay, so learn to
today at school.
any time you get them there,
so Jones time them with a stopwatch.
a name is ready to move on and it was like. Ok, you ve done it.
But one student put his hand up and said quote: I think we can do it quicker. This kid ends
they did it there's Eyeglass kid.
near the end of the hour just side to quote pushed the tolerance of the class for
regimented action,
to introduce new rules
this must be sitting in class at the attention position before the late bell. All students
Harry, pencils and paper for no taking. When I ask
answering questions. A student must stand at the sight of their desk. Okay, they practice
short silent reading sessions and
where asked questions and students who responded, sluggish manner, Rep, reprimanded and forced to repeat it again and again.
And tat was a model of punctuality and respect. Ok, I miss wrong
what's up, Mr Jones, the intensity of the students response became more important than what they were talking about. Students were rewarded for making an effort and we're acknowledged for in a crisp and attentive manner.
There are you down with all this up.
Ok, but today they look at this is like he is actually doing something. Ok
and they did everything asked taken.
they thought it was a game or danger the discipline or wondered if he could push them even further. So the next day he comes in two,
and when he arrives, he finds some
until the unexpected. There are sitting in attention. The way may them sit before yeah as the deal, but he didn't
they they're gonna, keep doing anything.
What is this point? What is he doing
He was praying to resume the lecture than just talk.
What they had done, the previous class, but
as they had all like, sat back down. He was like, but then he goes on. It seems like we want more of the experiment
Curriculum is there anybody it's
you're, making up teachers back then you can do your own curriculum. Ok, so decided to teach nazi posture. Yes, ok
so they're sitting there is down phased region in their des waiting for instructions, so he does
I will keep the experiment going. Ok
but now he didn't know where he was taking it.
it's not good. Also, he could see the unexpected
you come and give a lecture at all and then did what that's is your experiments over? You dont then go well. What am I trying to prove now? Let's keep proven.
So now be making a busy went along it looked.
again so again problem fashion, yes, he's like scouting experiment here.
Isn't that like scanning Hitler, yeah yeah right yeah about evap, I shall sit in the chair as he goes to the chalkboard.
and he had written strengthen discipline the previous day.
today he writes strength through community
Communities a bond between individuals who work and struggled together its rays
a barn with their neighbours, its feelings,
part of something beyond yourself: a movement, a team, la Rasa, a cause
her ass, a means of movement. He
lectured that they can,
it was more important than the individual. Ok at that point
It gave them the feeling of being part of a group
by having them whispered together. Ok
and then start chanting together
then stopping their feet at the same time
He also had them practice yelling strength through
discipline together as a class. Ok quote, first
have to students, Stan and call back our motto. Then,
two more enter via the whole class was standing in. Reciting is fun. Students me
you look at each other and since the power of belonging, Aramis capable unequal, they are doing. Something
together this game,
I'm a feeling of being part of something bigger than themselves outside the schools
things that was going out with black panthers and other groups in the country and the
gave the committee a name.
They call them the third wave.
Jones is a surfer
in serving lore waves, come in chains, one after the other, and the third wave is usually the strongest wave, so
its strength through discipline, Jones told the students that, by sticking together they would be the third wave of America, the strong wave
strongest wave, ok,
he told them they could all share yes, they're gonna, be the they're gonna, be the third
wave of America
what's happening. He
T lake simulation? Yes, but it's quite a job. In a day too,
so is he now? Is he now going like there's some real power here? Well, he's yeah! He
he's, teaching them
through a simulation what it would be like and at the same time he's feeling a little powerful
I do not like. I will once again go back to what I'm feeling, which is that I dont, like the question he's trying to answer, and I don't like the stars:
of how he's doing it
He told them the entire class would share great if they all work together by doing their homework together, they would organise.
you wanted to share answers and they started working together so that everyone get a name
this wasn't as popular with the really good students, as it was not as good sense,
is good for the students like myself. This was like this would happen at times or they'd. Be like look. You fail together, you succeed, I'd be one of those kids like arrive, we're all failing, they'd, be like that. But now all the students in class were answering questions because
working together is a group and the smarter ones were teaching less smarter ones, and
so introducing new role. There
the answer:
first sang Mister Jones,
and the answer in three words or less.
Four classes ended on the second day Jones told under the third wave members. So
each other
they saw each other.
in the hallway or wherever not here we go there to hold out their hand in the sea shaped like a wave he
see the guide away of cresting
if two members each other and didn't saluted men that ensure the community's values and the one I do
So it would be kept out of the third wave
So this is happening is with these
three classes at a time in the same effect in each class me
that they're all in.
giving onboard right what's he like,
The again that he's trying to answer a question about not Chisholm spell
The bell, when the Bell sounded ending the parent ass, the class for complete silence with their one single attention. I slowly raise my arm and where the cupped hand isolated, it was
a silent signal of recognition.
they were something special without command. The entire group of students returned the slip
so they now had a salute and slogans a name and a name
on Wednesday Jesus us at sat down. First,
first class
and he decided just again here
doing this all on the fly.
he decided to give them third way. If I d cars,
Say looks at his desk and disease
a blank index cards.
So a hands them out and says these are third way of membership cards. Ok,
in a while.
Was handing him he knows. Is the class is larger.
There's thirteen students who ve cut their other classes to be here
school. What is this place of? Business? Has classrooms it's not a school
a liberal school waiting to find out that someone in this story is a ghost.
That's not gonna have loudly real, unlike this is absent. Scooby do well. We all alone Scooby as well.
I mean they probably weren't allowed to cut their glass, but they did. They wanted to be a part of whatever was happening like they liked it the day before, so they okay. But yes, but like the idea at least we like, where you go like our going to go to this other guy's class. Now it's like, oh okay, no
I
so is heading,
of the inexperienced before he does. He takes three
and draws red x is on them
The student who got a red acts were little special. They were to be informers.
I mean it's I mean like nineteen, eighty four, the school. They were too
two Jones. Anyone who was not going along with a community that mine what for example, of events?
former caught a third wave member, not saluting or Honorof campus
they would be reported a Jones who,
out of the community and send them to the library how long until he thinks he's Jesus, because it
starts out kind of my he's, a teacher, he knows what he's sure they always now
there is now until well.
Turning to God,.
He also made the rule tat
if they gather in groups.
bigger than to people there be kicked out of a third wife,
so. No three third way: members together,
in class? I gamblers afghan campus wherever ok,
now, while only three people in each class got the Red X, yeah. Other people start informing, ok
right to getting a good grace sure.
And they would turn a names. People had done stuff, they that was wrong
and this is I'm sorry wednesday- this is
Thursday. I mean
under your asshole hawkers, isn't gonna escalated, timeline.
Jones created a new membership process.
Now a new member.
Had only be recommended by an existing member and then Jones at issue them a card,
archer Blank and what's happening with the index cards. Is people are drawing a wave right
like the like. It's like that Rancey, so
each got their own individual card, but it's a car. That's part of the community right
A new member just had to show
but his knowledge of the rules and pledge obedience to the rules
and then Johnson put them in a that day. The principle
gave Jones the salute at a faculty, meaning
lines, are blurring of
Then, what's the principal doing,
The principal new
spare that he knew that
Jones is doing an experiment about me
nazi youth. He understood that
but just as not updating the prince of anything in the principal didn't expect Jones to check in because he'd approve the experiment and then left Jones alone, like he had done with many other simulations. He thought
an effective way to teach kids about data.
Materialism right is like this is. This is fine
so here's
Here's him talking to the kids. I explained how discipline and community were meaningless without action. I discuss the beauty of taking full responsibility for one's action.
So thoroughly and yourself in your community or family that you will do anything to preserve, protect and extend that being,
just how hard work and allegiance to the other would allow accelerated, learning and accomplishment. I reminded students of what it felt like being classes where competition causes pain and degradation,
situations in which students were pitted against each other in every
from Jim to reading the feeling of never acting, never being a part of something never supporting each other is creating a community,
Howard. I e a healthy utopia, new rule,
there never supposed to criticise or question the third wave. That's a big one.
everyone eliminating questioning authority with one rule pretty big, pretty big but
on student, sherry,
Housley stood up and asked
when they could say what they felt about the third wave promoter.
he centre to the library for the rest of the semester. Oh my god! What
for the semester guide, ok,
well, by the way I mean yeah, that's it
real, clear message right either
library. Does anyone else want to try that I didn't think so? Yeah it immediately makes anybody. Go I'm not going to question it cause. I don't want to sit in the Fucking library, it's the warden, beating the snot out of the new prisoner to be like alright and she's just got,
discover Fridays and his enemies just going the library
more than one student with central library. He also told them that he'd ruin their reputations with the other teachers
however, as this question back on Monday is like or
last week, rode over.
So students,
so just disappear, and no was talking about rights of these students to students would again
I worked on by the informers
and he would say you're in the library and I knew you'd come in a class and edges feed marks tasks.
right
then no one would bring it out because they don't want to be like hey what happened in March. We go to the library, that's regret. You get I'd
don't know what to think
so sherry believe that he would ruin reputation like you said with the other teachers he till she time believe it short
she's in the library and the librarian wants to know why she's in the library instead of class cause she's, must we in class,
Don't tell her in the library and use pushing so finally,
She tells librarian now
librarian, is freaked out and
she tell sherry that she was born and raised in Nazi Germany,
and it sounded like that's exactly like what was going on and Mister Jones class. Yes,
if it is used, is very similar, isn't actually academic timeline, that's very good. What he's doing
so she told
library until sharing not to take it sitting down and to do something
this is some fight. Club shit
whose real I'm worried.
this like the game, maturity
I want to do because it would,
have to have an impact and be in secret, so
when she goes home. She
your parents and she
I rise to make anti third way
posters which she sign
under an alias and she came up with the others, the breakers, as
breaking a wave.
so she sort of making see my there's another group out. There sure call the breakers her father
Javert at the school. So she get put up the posters at night.
but when she arrived the next morning, there
torn down
So while the experiment was going on, she would go every night
hang posters
be torn down the next morning,
eventually she would bring a ladder.
Go up so high that they could not be torn down. Ok also, possibly not be read. Was that say at their hats,
What is it? What is a body like Paul? There's, a piece of paper had see what the hell it says, break break break.
Sprague runaways break break break room.
brain at every eye was important, be down here. We weigh down low anyway anyhow, so they were buncher.
ideas of what to do coming out of his classes. Now,
he gave a lecture about strength through action. They started making posters and putting them up. Members had to
fliers.
Tables were set up in quarters
and members of the third way ever try to enlist other students
you, don't even seen. No, it's it's when you first,
when you first hear this, as I did the the
Rapid pace of it is astounding, but also the at this point, and you don't even ended
firmer whatever. But at this point it's like
Where is everyone as to what's going on? Because you would think that the second that, even if it was your class, were you
free rein that you is another,
Principle or another teacher saw you like recruiting students to come to your class. It's weird: it's like clay,
The teachers don't normally compete with each other. You know they don't they usually don't compete for students again that the other teachers in the school already don't like him right, okay,
I dont know how that all works out. I don't have. The dynamic is legitimately like yeah, the ceiling of the librarian and the feeling of other teachers,
there is one where there like here
just fully going rug,
yeah yeah Fisher, yet
There is also a lot of simulations of the school, so there's a sort of grey area, and then I didn't really here about what other teachers the ok cause there. I think they're, mostly all dead. So
I just heard it old students,
so.
strength through action, either putting up posters trying to list other students a senior rich loss.
Sing a table between classes to members.
standing on the table when they get the pearls,
Joe Biden, rain. Ok,
Stacy
Would you like to joy and then
as well. What's what's it about
and they say I want to get an empty index card and make us see. This is
factory, unity.
and he says right. Ok, I get me
therefore about? What's it about- and they say strength through unity and he's like
you can't tell me like what it's about
and he is so now I dont want to join your group cause. I know what it is.
And then one of them was came round the table with the spiral binder and a pencil
said: what's your name
it said I'm not gonna, give you my name,
and the second guy came around and rich thought he was about to get in this fight.
Any says not giving your names
and then, on that day, in the school there were fistfight breaking out between third,
if members and other students one member cos,
my only feeling to that point or that we were in the right and the people picking them
it's where, in the wrong place,
in the third way that
we weren't seeing what we were up to was nothing bad. It had a lot of energy and excitement a lot of purpose. Oh my! So this is just the greatest teacher of all time.
This is so
Abcam conflict, it so much
yeah. So when I heard other students were fighting third wave members,
then that's just meant they didn't know what they were doing if they knew why?
we were doing they would want to join.
And then there are also some students who are so desperate to join, that there are excluded
still Wednesday. It still wants that this is still Wednesday, but this isn't it
Is it so there were still Wednesday
I mean he's gonna be like I'm gonna run out of my lesson. Plan by Friday I mean.
Jones knew everything was going on because in farmers are literally tellingham everything that is going on, like he's getting information about,
breathing at this point and it's it's. It's
everybody not just to his mane and farmers. So
when he and he has taken years, taking all this information in and this and he is just going leg? I figures
things happening, I think that I can say for sure, but he was deadly ITALY
talks about how he was slightly intoxicated by the power. Ok, that's kind of all I wanted to know about it.
the same time, I think he's fascinated by how quickly this is happening. Sure, right on both
our teacher on both accounts there
any kind of negative
Exception is feeling necessary. No, he also has the also understand he also understands this is where so much
leaving school like shit. What am I so he's he's finding out what someone was too
their best friend, like he's people telling
fucking. Every right
because of this students now don't know who to trust the three and four
of farmers are actually interrogating other members on their own to get us
much information as they could and they would give Jones detailed reports even on conversation students had with their parents. Ok,.
With the information Jones held Mark Trials
sang is senior police had given him information, and then he caught a member in class.
The member would stand up. He would tell them
it violates the rule like being
fraternizing with known revolutionaries and then a class
would start chanting in unison, guilty guilty guilty and the poorest.
We banished
does a library
Jerry was like hell, I'm sure
Walked by a friend in the hallway who saluted at her.
and cherry did not return. The salute she's been banished,
and her friend was shocked.
said: what do you do
returned the salute and cherry told her what she's, not in the movement and some
can return slew and from that moment, on, our friend, acted like she didn't exist,
David miscarriage went to high school book. The couple
I love it was more people did this or if it was just these two deeds, but they
used std as acronym for strength through discipline
Then there are joking about it,
and then one joke that, as he meant stronger than Dirk, as that was tied slogan at the time a and then they laughed
and then he went to class and was called out by John for saying, std even stronger than dirt, and he
then his friend his friend just staring straight ahead anyway
mobilise, send our friends,
friends, yes, does your best friends snitching each other s, big brother, so
hey more lecture under a stupid tied right now,
John
insisted, I want you to bodyguards Dave,
so applauds last they would they would
the halls and asked
they went all salute in unison, and students would also back
the
and then one bodyguard fellows, go running guy and were basically taking it over and I'm sorry mother? What do you mean
How was school,
interesting, I'm just asking how school interesting
Let me guess you want to know how school was because I am my my son years son interest interesting.
I see you think, because I'm your son, that you're allowed to have knowledge of anything that goes on. Why,
ass near ass, cool ass, I'm not I don't. There is the question again. What are you doing,
mother, do like the library
yeah yeah I like to be able to have a good time, and there is sherry. Won't you
who sherry exactly you're part of the breakers
I note from the dancer: ok go to your room,
You gotta you you'll, go to my room, ammonia, yours,
but he cheats as you don't say it see what you're doing it's a podcast people can see, I'm doing it
so.
one bodyguard fellow Jones, into the teachers and other bodyguards out there. Just separate people
The higher to legit party goods are these like seventh graters Gunter yet, but he, basically God guys from the car club.
Maybe I can wait till you get to it
Ok,
they go to the teachers lounge one of the bodyguards follows a man, and the english teacher looks at the kittens as well. You're not supposed to be him in here, because this year a student
The body card looks at the Englishman, says: quote: I'm not a student, a bodyguard, but
way. I MRS Harris's pumpkin by my God,
so late in the day,
if you're in the teachers wanted your teacher- and you go hey- you can't be in here, and so it goes, I'm a bodyguard yeah like I don't want to play really weird. How was your little thing going that you're doing in your class cause there's students in here who are like Nazis? So it's weird he's doing his signal and has a slogan
the library? Mrs Jensen, now I dont at lug
what part of the simulation or whatever it is, I'm just I'm an english teacher, I'm just here having a little bit of spaghetti before I go back to my class okay. So that's where I'm at spaghetti. Don't think I'll. Do that,
good meal, they alone and eleven. We do this.
yeah. No, I know what you're saying this Wednesday
Where the day, Thomas Thursday S crazy, what I
in teaching Dickens, so I actually have to get back to your student can stay. I don't give a shit regret. Okay, crossed at the cross shop, spaghetti here, yeah,
mine, so I'm in charge. So sherry is
Curious about what's happening in the class, yes, sharing has a lot of time on her she's in the library, so she went
why the class to see what was going on, but she so fearful she doesn't look in the clashes walks behind us. Like I said I, you know kind of deal, she's looking for peripheral update, yep and the class
is standing room only such is like
and people are waiting to get in. Oh, my god, it's got a line.
There's a class, that's a club now there's
sophomore class and juniors and seniors
we're going in and joining the glad. I'm thirty one I'd love to take a that. It too
so Jones begins to become concern when he realizes that the kids
Europe classes are joining,
especially when he learned that suit.
From two other near by high schools. I wanted to come now enjoy come on now. I know, there's no rules so far, but you can't leave your school
one class a week over there that other one I gotta covered.
I do fascism at the other one and this one. I do like science and stuff
So it's growing at an alarming rate,
Jones is now concern. It could get out of control, but he keeps going
feeling it with fiery speeches about the importance of discipline and community, so he's feeling right.
by the end of Wednesday. Third,
His membership had grown to two hundred students, but how many-
how many students- and I do not know that- I don't know- I Didn'T- I- never that's a kind of there's a lot. There's a lot of information is not
regional asses working class sidewise. What are we talking? Eighteen
No, I heard it's a little yeah, I'm gonna say thirty, thirty, okay! So we're talking ninety so now we're up to like two hundred and we've doubled in size. Yet.
it is.
Does that Bodyguard Jones were later right through the body guard was one of his dumber students, whose name was Robert.
four hours, a hard worker who always sat in Jones Classroom during lunch alone, because no one wants to even them. And now this had given him a purpose and meaning
It's so weird, so the outcasts are being sucked in here their part of something
but kid is always how long it is always alone a kid who's never had a friend. Now this is a thing that he can do yeah now he has power over people. This is a nightmare.
just Bain started, but is
that night Jones received a phone call from a rabbi.
concern, parent, Ok Jones,
I told them. We were merely studying the german personality. He seemed delighted and told me not to worry. He would talk to the parents and calm their concern
my worry be bothered
but, like I said Jones, was liking it. He liked the power and control his wife.
stop it
if it was dangerous, but still he knew the experiment was getting out of control to a case. This is out of control on Thursday
third way? I know it's Thursday.
The third way is arrived at school to find that the breakers, which was just Shelly, had broken.
Two Jones is class and torn down all of their poster, and she take your own posters up and run on the board breakers.
My guess basically like resist this. Don't do this, but it just her ok,
The break in to these
third wave headquarters was the talk of school the entire day, a case
Now it's Watergate NASCAR headquarters haha. Now it's definitely the terms are scarier and, let's us yeah, that's all I was doing.
so so she
Napper Brown, posters in
First class in the morning Jones counted eighty students he's is almost thirty Jones.
came in with a bodyguard whose now is full time, bodyguard members
of the car club a point
themselves, his bodyguard right.
And one was now posted the door at all times because of the break in sure I'll. Even this theirs
class or whenever lunch. There's, someone
so did the door again egged wash their headquarters Jones.
Close the curtains this first morning, each on closer curtains, turnoff lights, shut, the door, unlocked it
made all the members stand and states to stay standing Kay,
and then started.
Day by mark assassinating too of the students they said: you're assassinated you're, assassinated gotta library, gotta library. There are moved.
He then told the students. This is
the game
I just this class
said. The third way was being used by teachers all over the country, a thousand and twenty.
schools
coordinating a movement to create a third political party. They would take over the country up case,
he did have some for Thursday
he didn't, though he came.
And did it on the fly Letty?
didn't plan any of this. He would come in and just as something that hit him and he would fucking do it.
The students in the class he said, were essential to the revolution.
And the ones who have been removed were not up to it.
you guys are quote across the can
Teachers, like myself, have been recruiting and training a youth brigade capable of showing the nation a better society through discipline, community pride and action. If we can check
the way this
squirrels neurons. This is really
We can change the way that factories stores, universities and all other institutions are run. You are selected
you're. A select group of young people chosen to help this cause. If you will stand up and display what you have learned in the past few days, we can change the destiny of this nation,
No one asked him for proof and there's no
get Britain some way before the internet to look it up by the way. Also, you don't ask for proof in this situation. I mean you are in a call. Then you get an f. You believe go to the library here, so you just go to an analysis in question
no odor embassy
so the third way was being created to address the many issues of the time that began after the assassination of President Kennedy
in nineteen sixty seven, there have been more assassinations, the civil rights battle was raging and, most importantly, the Vietnam WAR was on an all of these. Kids were looking at the draft in a couple
ears and the third
now seems like an answer.
Depositing possibly being drafted. That's why that's why this is like it it now that that's why it now I am like this is dangerous
the third wave can actually say their lives right
the new parties being created with you felt some may take over. There
To them, yes, that's, but that's why this is that's where I visit veering into this state of uncontrollable nature in a bad way.
That is also a lot of disenchantment after the can kill you Kelly that he be tapping into. So this was a real youth movement to change the world tomorrow, the students were too.
they would meet the third
his presidential candidate, an assembly,
and the new leader will you give
address on tv.
on the fly. What's this plan, I got a guy annex can't glad that tonight I gotta fight a presidential candidate,
Maybe this wasn't on the fly. Maybe this party thought up about the presidential candidate beforehand, so it seems believable, especially because a student in the back of the room holds up.
his aim he had brought in,
and inside it was a two page add an end.
now? If you remember what it's far, but it's like Time magazine or something in the air,
Is it a badge, as it says, the third way of his coming so there
just this crazy for her grandparents, really the law in this day, and the kid shows is that IRAN sees that is like
He writes to disprove friends. There see erected aired way right there in Skype is coming. Thank you dare and good step down.
and then and then he abruptly locked up so the
You know you're a kid in the class and the teacher says is and then a kid pulls out an ad Euralia yearbook,
a famous Urien were we're awesome, we'll get changed the world history
we'll take note of us so
what a know he abruptly walked out, and my my thought, when I heard that he bragged about abruptly walked out was, is that that sort of a peak like when a kid pulls out the ad? Now you walk out
as if he stays there, it can be question or whatever, so he shuts down any sort of abilities and they because they can't question it with each other, so he's put it out there he's got a backup approve
now he's out into the bathroom to cry about how amazing this is like. There are no worlds left to conquer
The greatest so he says the announcement for the big, real and x the next day is complete. Now expect that even for him, he doesn't know what he's doing the announcement
the next day with the presidential guy, he doesn't know he be nosey. May there made that announcement when know what he's going gonna do
so now every student is completely onboard. Somehow
up to this point in preliminary she's alive. Rarely guys these. We are these weird system
you ve, been going alone for the grave
but then others we're like into it. But then this and now is completely flipped on its head, like it's become like a fucking thing, will now they think they're going to change the world. So
some apparently, never!
believe it. But you know
sounds like a lot a lot, so one girl after this happens
leaves, tells tell knock market not to go the assembly tomorrow that this is completely wrong there.
Just stay silent by the way. How but this do us
a favor get a head start to the library. Ok get walk into the library
I.
So you know, and one of the reasons that are doing, as is its there. There actually thing was part of a country right movement and if they blow it, if their school
there under this, like idea,
the blow, the whole thing falls apart, so there now
I'm I'm doing
they could save the lives of a bunch of from the more so their enormous empowerment
so their minds are blown there's sworn to secrecy. One student, however, told her mom,
I'm com and told the school counselor
School counselor went to Doctor Jones and Joan
exile, the soon to the library, or should it suggesting
Well, I will figure it out when she comes into class today. Thank you, Debbie! Oh hey, Karen hi. How are you
Yeah now I want you to know that I have
It's a mere concerns. Why
No, no, no, no! No! No! No! No! No!
concerns. I don't care. If I did, I hear it turns out you have
Servants, aneurysm and I'm happy. Did I didn't rhymes happy it did look. I talk your mother,
known and don't get upset. Why don't get upset? I talk your mother. Might yes, but but but again, because you know
Thank you mentioned something. Does my roman and former? No, no, no, no, no fell
Why did you do that? You do with your eyes. I am let your mother's,
is she doesn't have the tightest of lips, so she saying some things that maybe she shouldn't around here, but but again, what I want you to know is that the third wave risk
what you did
and that's what makes it so gratifying. I feel we need to tell you to pack your book back at him,
it should go to the library energy gets. Is it that failure to up and get to the library you go to the library
tell sherry, I said: what's gonna
I buried yeah, keep YAP and gave the apple
learn how to happen. But it spurs there
what forty five am Adolf large cobbler eyes grew wherever they go
so
there's two until his parents. That day
the shouldn't go to work tomorrow, but to be buy a tv at noon the next day, because something really big was going to go day. Guess what our kids going to kill, someone that thought no
during the entire experiment, where parents would call to complain the principal stood up for Jones methods and explain that you? What
He's doing it too tight area not understand that what he's trying to do is create the third Reich in the school. It's pretty out of the box.
New John's is making up as he went along, not even the principal Kay
the next day it so.
So, to get to the next day Friday right, yes,
the students arrived in just now in the classroom tube.
The guards from the car clever there
and they said they're going to escort the students to the assembly in room one.
Since again almost Theatre II type sure thing a famous didn't
spoke up until the others not to go. She has written a buyer classmates.
One other female students stayed behind as all the other students headed out so just from
so the four people that stand out as stand?
Up to whatever is going on are all women
which I find very interesting,
I Dave that feels like
knock against guy a little bit
don't be raise your just. Do the guy says stoop so
the lecture Hall.
I'm fills up of about two hundred third waivers,
who had come from other schools and weird again.
bodyguards ascending the doors sure
The news media had heard about what's going on
I have now arrived to cover it. There are tv cameras, there are reporters or photographers, so in a lot of ways. The appearance of this is now exactly what he's talking about. Yeah, ok,
the lights, are false, dark
Jones standing upon him
everyone sitting and ease, as they have been taught and stiff ribands on their backs and Jones. That said,
Let us show everybody the extent of our training and they said
I've been belt and other slogan. Strength through disciplines drag your community strength through action and why
this they held up there see salutes.
Is there is this Friday? Is there? Is there any student whose, like he was
The candy as last week about how the
it sees came to be the. I think there are some students, but again he's cross this line when you do why, at this boy, you're like
So I mean this is he has created, is genuinely created a reality, so they start their chance.
quiet and then right,
up to adjust just yelling Rorschach
and then had them sit at attention,
There was a television front of class,
said. The party leader would come on at any moment.
On the screen wishes,
showed snow, and then he left.
And then the bodyguards left. Nothing happened.
and after a while, the tv crews and reporters left a few steps
but almost other students
state in their seats, seated
staring ahead. That's no snow.
And this infernal bed and then one student started looking around.
Siren was staring blankly and he said they looked at them.
And where the doors closed Jones,
the bodyguards and reporters gone his mind
we went to a concentration camp because that's what they did
when they exterminated chooses they
the doors
gas down, and so he's
gas gasping drawn from above
He thinks, oh, my god. They trapped us in here and they're gonna kill us cod and he panics.
Set up a yelled, I'm getting the hell out of here. He is
there's the doors are locked in. There are trapped, so here
Virtual and IRAN run other since jumped up and started running to the doors in panic as syn.
They reached the doors the lights came on.
Jones is standing in the back of the hall.
Tony whispering. The mantras strike through discipline that sir
MRS trying to calm down now, and it works the same
join him answer, whispering
calm down.
And then someone else there is no party leader. Is there
turns on a projector playing a documentary about nazi you, oh my god,.
I mean, if you like, give me eight MIKE's to drop me all the mice. Thank you why, and he said quote there
I later there's no such thing as a national youth movement called the third way. If you have been used manipulated
by your desires into place. You now find yourself you're, no better or worse than the german nazis. We have been studying what
These can be the rights they are like a lot of students.
Such a cry of guide quote shock
the look of shock was like the earth was ending, they know to do they couldn't walk. There are sitting down, some people want to leave, but didn't know whether to leave or not
there's. No,
I think. I know what you're doing when they're hugging each other they're weeping. One student went to Shelley and told her. It was over of Shelley.
Sharing
copyright law whatever, whenever an hour or so they gonna go?
or an tired over, and she thought quote: oh my god they found out so well
become a one student walked up to her and said it's over her first that was they founded on the breakers like her first for Ireland, one is like the man, the absolute edge yeah.
Then she was told another movements over and she was being called back to the classroom
So she goes another classroom and when she went in she said the student seem like mirages: they were trembling and she felt ass. If she is flicked at them, they would fall over she's like
Really good book on lizards is great,
so the year Jones did this
Was the year he was up for ten year old Man
and he was already hated by the conservative, school board and other teachers so that he was fucked.
He lost his tenure Tenured was fired their approach.
like the students came out and held a massive rally prohibit pro
yeah right because they still love them. Even though I mean again what you have
is much is as much as it was horrible like now. You literally understand how fascism happened. Dave I mean that
It is as well after a week.
that that is as well equipped as one can be to fight, and
and be aware of propaganda. So
protest to keep him there and a movement to try to keep him, but then Mr Jones announced he'd be leaving anyway, because the ceremony called there really. They want me there for some reason. I dunno what's going on, because the school board was going to restrict his teaching methods. So it's like. I can't stay here because they're not going to. Let me do right. They were like, let's just started, calls in an authoritarian governments school or not saying that you can't teach what you want, but there will be yeah we'll do our heightened nazi tension, yet we just don't want like a Nazi or like Mussolini situation happening within nine of the model. When I was going to do in March, shows like Brown, shirts or any of that stuff, like sports or cool, you know what I mean like sports or fun or like a fascist movement with a yeah, not great. Oh, I thought you were going to leave me in the other room. Now it's not go so
left currently to teach in San Francisco. The students felt a tremendous loss
It was the principle of the experiment. Said quote: I don't think it was out of control as a methodology or as a unit of learning. I thought it got out of control when he took that learning and tried to play it to his contemporary school. He was
coaching the unit
the student movement, which had nothing to do directly with his class, but that's what I think is the immorality of what Raw Jones did. He took
His advantage as a teacher with a guaranteed audience of young people to try to indoctrinate them, he wasn't.
Teaching them. He was indoctrinated them and that's. What I think is mistake was its purpose
his intent, rather than as actual teaching. That was the problem
I mean to me. I'm like I
Can yeah you almost can't separate the what it's all kind of one, the lumped in thing as far as like? Well, yeah I mean, are you in or are you out? I can't, I don't think, there's a way to really split hairs over, like I mean, did, did what he did. What he did did it make
The point very much made the point very much made the boy
but Jones is never able to teach again the way he wanted yours.
Adults now with special needs, teaching them poetry and things like that
There is also another author and playwright into he says: there's no way he would do the third wave he's
he's. The experiment has acquired a bigger made by a young teacher and he realizes now that what he did was extremely dangerous here.
short story about at ten years later, which was turned into play and then a tv special
the way is now required. Reading in Germany, Israel in some places in the United States to mature
students who participated, don't regret being involved
Students went as far as to create the third Wave Institute in order to continue the discussion about how quickly fascism can rise in society. It'd be amazing if it is like we're keeping it going yeah. Your vision is still true. Once we get the right candidate, we're ready, yeah wow, I think,
what I mean to me, the most startling thing is health, and this is what
This is why I have read about when we read about when
authoritarian attempts, our or whatever fascism
it does happen super quickly a day I mean, I think you can even
I think you can even see it. You see it now
its again
It's not within a week. This guy well bus guide like grub up, but when, but when, but we're not there.
to the point where you don't want your neighbours or you can trust
anybody to saving but were
super close to you now?
in theirs there's a lotta there's a lot of deeds in the army, as a mass of a man who are of keeper
crazy, crazy, religious and
tallish religious type dates, and they,
for this
So we have a light and there's always been a large section of of
in society in pretty much all societies that want fascism,
just the reality of the situation there, fascist parties running
office in every european country. That is how it is some and now America gets that
now we ve now they're out and about and their public
you're going to always be there.
I was in a call themselves: fascist, but
they're, gonna have fascist ideals.
is one of that
such a weird episode of this agency
A weird like that
is it is.
I mean it's just kind of fuckin, brilliant,
brilliant. What led workers, because the
first of all, you have to like it,
ecological understanding of how people were to be the pull that off, but also
to be able to just take those things and apply them
and make them work will act to me his ass and continue to do it and a good idea and doing it. I had a part as you go: ok, here's our new carrot.
like repeatedly it
it is surprising how quickly and effective it was part of it is probable.
that you are dealing with lake. You know
think maybe a school is a place where it is a little more like heightened
As far as do you believe,
and do not believe there is a huge and then the war colleagues about that, and then that the war and in the Kennedy stuff, like you're talkin about all that,
still. You would think that more
connections in the mom would be made more people would be local about, which is the fact that happen from Monday to Friday, its face
these the I mean I kept going back and going this isn't a bright right. This doesn't but
So we must have. This was taken from a documentary
is on a view of Amazon. It's on Amazon, Prime, it's called the lesson plan and it
it lily. Doesn't it just goes Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and you just like what's happening, how's your fucking Friday, and this is
and they are ready to kill and you
when they're talking to the students who are now older and talking about what they were thinking and feeling, and it's just you're, just like Jesus fucking Christ. It's literally it's the big brother thing. You brought up
It's that thing where no one wants to talk. No one wants to speak Alec once you clamp down on that. Oh and whites, fucking game allow and one city. Once you start to show you know it's
It really is true and it is, unfortunately, the world we are kind of paying for like you're saying, but it is like once you start once you start to
place, reward with fear
and then you the show people many ways to get rewards in that fear based system. They will do it,
mean and that's what is very troubling about today's
for I wouldn't fragile world India, and so there the most interesting thing, and I think we can
in our society right now, as you have people who are like factors, fascism have to stop it, and then you have the fashion
and then you have this
group in the middle who want to go. I can we just go back to await was yes and your this people,
we're getting seas are going along like those of the people there there,
setting up to fight there, not stepping up to do anything in there. Just like science,
I keep my house in my car and just hang out and not do anything. I will eventually
you're, like Europe, part of you, like
this bubbles, either gonna get blood out or popped. We so you pick because getting, but they
they. They cannot see it now. I know, but it is I mean, that's that's. It gets you to stop here.
Is by saying
only one in with little room a little bit. It's like well, no now's the time to sorta, say I'm willing to sacrifice my car, my home to like fall on the sword for the greater good. We have a lot of politicians in this country who want to keep their jobs and want to keep taking money from Google and and Lyft and uber, and don't want to actually step up and kick this thing.
that's yeah and those are the ones that are the worst and how they're air, mostly they're, mostly Democrats, who are corrupt. That are doing that. A lot of Democrats that are trying to fight it, but there's a lot of Democrat Craft fascinating about the Democrats
the ones in charge as the way that they say, let's go
this? Let's investigate? Let's not do the financial stuff, we will say what are you saying that we'll know? Let's, let's get them, I mean. Obviously, Trump is ease up off guard for metal. We can't take four more years of this. Let's get them on the the that's, not
get in this financial stir a man it's like that,
That's crazy, we're caviar corruptions were leads to
parliament's work area. Everything when this line- and you see now, look there
One car, the second: we try to take the keys,
way. We see the technologist yeah, they don't give a fuck. They don't give a fuck that battling for, like anything in that car they just wanted to keep up and, like everyone has to understand fascism. Now, because, as climate change happens and things started to break down and you're literally going to have a battle between eco fascism and ecosystem, like the the fascists are already using yeah they're already using climate change, oh yeah, to get done what
Oh, yes or no. Neither do that. They actually will. I would say the more prepared side has been the side
that has said forever. We just need
keep saying it's futile
Eddie that doesn't exist or its futile and one of those low always work. We can stuff get our right. Well,
This fund gobble gobble up everyone's happy. Our minds are super simple: we read the other source Jones is essay. The third way of nineteen sixty seven an account
Two sources
your mind and little futures manipulated? There's no need to really bother for independent thought, because the people standing next to you are not capable of it. They'll be taken advantage of and they'll stab you for. Corn pops are right,
Stop Pakistan makes sense,
library.
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