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more about that in due course. So we had this amazing revelation that no one could do their eyes off this week of this just totally jawdropping college and mission. The scandal and quite regulatory, as we all know now how Charlie got into Oxford his family pasted his face onto the body of some monster- a shot put her to today, men to Oxford but David. What did you think of what he make of this scandal? but you know nothing about. It was surprising Ross now that had a really good, inaccurate tweets. read about it, how it's not especially for these. Is wealthy. Families are, kids, are gonna, be all right, no matter what mean there it's not as if their kids, like economic opportunity if they went to Harvard or winter the local community college

This these admit the admission of these schools is, is a stamp a sort of social and cultural approval. It's like an Entry into american aristocracy in some circles mean that's not the way it is down here in Tennessee in any way shape or form, but in some circles and as a former member of an Ivy League Admissions Committee aims to serve on the admissions committee at Coronel LAW School, when I was there the idea that the system could be so miserably gained is not at all surprising. I mean having the parents listing the. When will you still. You should still not think that the system is entirely rigged against. You mean for me experience. The vast majority of people who enter into schools are getting in because their academics are very strong. They ve done very good things and in their extra kip, you'll activities, they right good essays, in other words all standard stuff? You you try to do today,

the school, but there are back doors and as we learned the scandal there are. I guess in increasing numbers, one guy put it on twitter of side doors. Money makes things happen, and the traditional way that money makes things happen. Is you just give a much to the school I had no idea that until recently, the other way that money makes things happen is give us some money to say a crew coach, that was new But you know what I mean stepping back from this: remarking. You know here internally, there's a dead interesting cultural divide, here I mean where I live hearing in suburban Tennessee and where a move from and Rural Tennessee The idea of bribing people? to get into that elite school would just mystifying even to upper middle class parents, because they

The focus around here is not on. What's the most elite school that I can get into but I mean I know when I my friends and peers who like say, live in Massachusetts, I mean this is something that people just focus their family data. It's a fan, Molly project doing this is a family obsession in an hour I think this is exposing that particular malady pretty effectively so. Michael, what to you make of the argument that well conservatives are always complaining about affirmative action and how that an offence against the meritocracy, and then you have even outside of this a scandal. Just the the normal way works if you're an athlete or whether in the donor or an alumnus? That makes a huge difference in that as an offence against the meritocracy that the right doesn't complain about so much I mean, I think those critics have a point. Are nos attached to them

You have a meritocracy as as maybe some other conservatives are. I think I think that these schools very intentionally- and we see this in the recent lawsuits by Asian Americans about the admissions standards that frankly discriminate against them on personality traits, because there the test, scores or so impressive. You know these schools are self consciously trying to shape America's lead and you have to credit them in some ways- Virginia now, basically owned the Supreme Court Harvard and Yale basically owned the New Yorker magazine. I don't think there's a writer there at the new Yorker didn't go to one of the top ideas you know best So these are. These are institutional, deliberate

shaping that elite in and they do it on every measure. You know ethnic background background and and according to their kind of apps truths. Calculation, including celebrities. In that I mean no one, these are celebrities, was trying to get there kit into you see through one of these side, doors which isn't on the level of the ivy is, in our view, that's what these institutions were shaping on an elite, and I actually would prefer it if we talk more about what we want, the Americans to be. I guess I'm a little bit of John Quincy Adams Conservative on this, where I do think we need institutions that are dedicated to forming a civic minded patriotic elite and I'm not sure that Harvard and yell fit that and the way they go about opening these side doors. Frankly, it's me

or grievous than in though legacy missions, stuff that was thrown in the face of George W sure. Other wasp elites dating back to the nineteen and Thirtys so I'm happy see them wreck having to reckon with this happy to see exposed, because we should talk about it and I We with David in some ways than it does become a family project for a lot of people to get their kids into these school. rules and it's an all consuming one and the exist of these kind of dastardly way, cheating ways: it's going to create a culture of even more cheating and fraud mean an accurate big, cheating scandal brought down the last south korean government didn't make people do care about this. Quite a bit. Try what to make of it.

one of the criticisms that I have made repeatedly of the attitude you see nowadays toward higher education, especially toward elite institutions within higher education. is that we have darted ass, a culture. This is worse in England, but is it starting in America too, we have started ass, a culture to use college as a marker We started as a result too low down on people who don't go. We do that. In class terms. It is a sign of being within the middle class to be a college graduate, but we ve also started to judge peoples were based on whether or not they went to college, the average adverts

and you see, foresees a receptionist position says needs college degree. Many charities won't hire people then in the sixties, if they dont have a college degree is worsening than this. I say, but there is a and extend to which people say well he's just a plumber is just an electrician and I think that is ugly and I think it's damaging, and I have a particular The reason I suppose for being bothered by this- and that is that I was the first man in my entire family ever to go to university and, as a result, the others didn't and yet the idea that there in some way more worthy then I am- is preposterous. My father served in the air force he found his own found. It is I'm business got through kids and all of these things in life than I did. The reason I bring that up is that it seems that what happened here is a perfect example,

Paul I've, just how widespread and how pernicious the idea that one has to go to university the one that has to get into an elite college has become we're not talking here about a family that war living in poverty or that saw an elite, education ass, a way up the ladder away out of a difficult situation, the people involved are extremely wealthy. There already very well connected and the kids at least some of them didn't want to go The daughter of Lord Lufton actually mean a video she's, a Youtube star sorts in her own right, saying I don't Roy School- I don't care about school, I'm not interested in learning sure I'd like to party and I'd like some of the camera. But it's just not him Horton to me to edge

it myself in that way- and yet still still the parents here thought it was in either to them to be able to say. Well, you know my daughter's go to have it all the children in the long run, to be able to hang that visa. on their war, and I think that is a problem both in terms of the way that it is corrupting education, which is a good thing. That's why we have universities are there. Of course, there are lots of different ways to be educated. Being a plumber is being educated, and also the weights corrupting the United States, which, unlike the country in which I was born, has meant aged in many admiral ways to resist these sort of class markers and resist the establishment of a courtesy, I would say in disagreement with Michael to resist, actually the the the ambitions of of John Quincy Adams and I think for the better. So I am sorry

looking at this, because it is confirming to me that even those, do not need college and don't want college are prepared to go to extreme length to use college so that they can attach it to their clothing and be seen in a particular way so data. How do we get around that credential ISM that Charlie so eloquently described and argued against, because we all have this tendency in, even though I agree with what choice had whole hearted We too, in a look, look at a college degree as if nothing else you know a marker of a certain sort of discipline or certain nerve personality traits that lend themselves to success in the broad society yeah. I honestly don't know because it is so deeply it is so deeply embedded in the car

ass if the Americans that debt, that is that are the culture makers people who are the writers, the people who are the political class, the upper tears of you know Many other industries meannesses. talking about the culture making class in the? U S, even if somebody is first generation college, often isn't it ensure that class the idea, that their own kids may not go is absolutely I'm thing the boy I mean what we're talking about something, as I said earlier, that is so powerful. and it's so powerfully embedded, it becomes the singular focus, of these families, but then in whole other sections of the country. This isn't the case, and I think this is one of those things where you have you. You do A real divide here am I in our school district, which is one of the best school districts in the

tree when it certainly the best school district in stated Tennessee it's time to go to college kids, kids tend to do well bidding there there is not some sort of stigma. You know is, if you decide to go. Do something else, especially if that something else is military service. So I dont- have a solution to Adam incubators. What we're talking about, isn't, okay we know if we have if we introduce a new voice into this debate, where change it. I think this is. It is so deep. Sat in you, tell when I was reading these, these admissions applications at Coronel and, according to law school years ago, menu see that these were lives. There were oriented from moment what I mean if you're looking at just that. You know when somebody's involved in creating say at a small, nonprofit and eighth grade this is something that people

doing yeah, maybe they're idealistic but they're they're engaging in some pretty dramatic resume padding here as well, when you could see people had oriented there in time. Existence around this, and this is one of the reasons I think why people feel such a sense of outrage in grievance here is because they live, doesn't go wait a minute. I've been totally obsessed and getting and fairly, and these people are our gaming, the system- and you know we are not questioning. Often, the obsession with Charlie is and should be doing, but I was in a larger country were not so much questioning the questioning. The obsession for questioning the mechanism on how we choose who still enjoy the benefits and the fruits of that obsession, and I,

which I don't have a great idea as to how to deal with it, but I think the first that we could do and to clarify this is too is to accept that there are lots of different ways to exhibit discipline when one of the criticisms that I have received, one I've written about this is the one that rich Adam rates, which is a college degree, is actually quite a good way of demonstrating that you have set the skulls and analysed you have the discipline and tenacity to finish it, which is true. In some cases it is not true in every university there, a garbage universities out there and there a garbage courses in their a garbage professors. But yes, in some circumstances, that is true that the problem is not that the problem is that we tend to elevate whatever, whatever assumptions that we can make about, somebody, because we learn

they have a college degree above the assumptions we can make about people when we learn they ve done something different. I dont think that it shows more discipline. To finish, I then, for example, to join the Marines. I dont think that it shows more discipline to finish college and then to run a small business than to be, farmer than to learn to be an electrician or a plumber or a welder. I think you can look at somebody. Who's learn. to be a master. While there and say you have clearly got exactly the same discipline and capacity to apply yourself as somebody who's been through a voice Is it the universe you Florida, but we don't and that that is the problem these! These kids could have done lots of different things right, I mean and if they funded that their activities with a trust fund, they could still have started a small business. The laurel often care

had had a little jewelry business on the site that she was selling to her followers on Instagram, and so she could have expanded that she could have done that. That would have shown application. It would have given her purpose, but no to go to one of the college's that other people have decided a worthwhile, and that is just actually bizarre to me. Will you Here's one thing, Charlie now two stereo type that says that only poor kids go into the military, but I do think it is true that amongst the kids at that at the Tipp of this sort of Beer elite do not by large and greater acceptance of things like military service of standing the value of book camp, for example. I am ready and the culture making class, I think, would go a long way. But this is something you brings. You bring something like that up to, somebody who's in you know suburban Boston and their kid is struggling a bit academically, but has an stream amount of you, know toughness and physical fitness and you go. You know this. He be ideal

for the Marines and They look at you as if you just sprouted from your head in a tale look what is, if you insulted him, IRAN Ivy right where that, after it out, he see programs, you know historically, an ivy campuses would were bell. If you tried to put on a serious our Otis he programme in them. I think you know there's a but things too, I agree with everything Charlie said about looking at the value of people who do practical work. My father in law worked and chemical factory fur fifty years. He knows more about practical, invaluable chemistry, and create millions of dollars of value, and he went to a true your college ease far beyond many there. The graduate level chemists that come in working in a lab. Now But on the other side the admission scandal, the kind of corruption we see that corruption is filtering outward toward high goals as well, and you see

in the studies that show great inflation, not only in colleges but all throughout high schools, because people believe your worth and Europe your potential is on the line with every home assignment you do in high school, which is ridiculous? and so now you know now huge percentage of american students are graduating Highschool with a averages. Do you think we're word that they're all that studious come on, so the error which said about fraud. Alarms me. I think Austria has a very robust like through it internship tie. programmes and for a while, the editor of the near posters from Australia didn't have a college degree. new at high school, I mention journalism say when started doing journalism without the four year detour and then also just that this is a relatively minor point compared to the more categorical voice you guys are making, but why, for years,

I have a friend his kids have gone to college in every single one of them. He cut a deal. You do this. You know in three years. I'll give you in a half of what your tuition would have been to the four years that the fourth year, that you can an investor, do something with, and they all just do it in three years, but were were so stuck in this idea that you have to do this. You have to do this path and has to be. For years and is kind of a four year vacation from life. You can really get started doing something pretty Dell or cast points out that the federal government lays out a hundred fifty billion dollars in subsidies to kids, who go to college out of high school and zero for kids, who don't college. I care. Can I just like our trip yeah. Let me just adding a quick rant at will I have met my eldest daughter in college in these colleges, you know when the other aspects about this about this is interesting. No one really saying that these kids, who gaudian through bribes, actually can't go ahead,

and thrive and graduate there. The academic programmes are much softer. Particularly in the humanities than the entrance requirements, which I think is something a lot of people to realise and and about every college in the. U s these days now is to colleges there's one college that is the steam college, where The stem students go and study their butts off for all the years that there there and then there's the other part of it. That is the humanities, liberal arts side, which list say in my daughter, his physics major looks at some of her friends who are say you know english history majors and they just live a fundamentally different existence, and you know it it it from standpoint. You know you look at college in you say what what's it exactly marking their mean? What's Zack showing discipline had David thanks a lot. I was the english and history major.

Hey. I was political lie. There I was putting aside surge I have a question to you rate the blow that the prestige of Lee colleges will suffer from the scandal from zero to ten zero. Everyone will completely disregard this and be equally desperate to get their kids into these kind of sky and everyone will now realize what a scam and waste of time this is. Is there a David is correct. The response to this will be how on earth could this happen? Given the college is so important

Let's ensure that we reform the application process and acceptance process not hold on a moment. Why on earth has this happened? Does this tell us something about our culture? Michael? I think it might be like a three or four. I think we're trending towards a state where people think that a higher education is a rigged system against upward mobility in French, zero. Zero. Two sorry Michael uneasily with you, commissioner, not suffice time, so before we move on. Let's hear a little bit more from our sponsor this week, Quip the red pollution airy break through toothbrush, where the most important things we do for a health every day is brushing our chief. Yet most of us don't do it properly. Quip is a better electric toothbrush created by dentist and designers. Clip was designed to make brushing your teeth more simple, affordable in either.

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on ad say basically be ruining the the business model of this incredibly powerful device, whatever its flaws, whatever we think might be the biases and other people who created it she's, pledge just kind of without any investigation or Justice Department process to break up all these murders, including Amazon's merger with whole foods which are no. Did you really think that's a monopoly? In my Amazon, has monopoly and grocery stores Bowser does monotony, does Amazon have monopoly in shoes, so the strikes me as just a completely thought: left wing populist idea, unfortunately, hasn't port on the right, but you're are more sympathetic to it than I am

I'll? Have it wont? Let me say: I'm not exactly sympathetic to warn specific proposals on you know. I think I am like some conservatives very concerned about gigantic salmon and power that some these giants can have over society. I mean you know if Google ruins the veto, the telephone book as an item of search and then decides hey, I want to make your business unable to find an invisible. I think that is cutting against a kind of deep sea. For contract that exists in Amerika, and I worry that Google is starting to. Ah, I worry that the social networks are starting to exercise their power over the public sphere in a way that dangerous, even specifically, to national review in the near and medium term. You know,

back in the day. I remember you know. Even ten years ago, when Google's predictive search came out, you would type Patrick J be you and you will get all these random people. You would not get Patrick began in someone inserted. A line in the algorithm specifically to hide him that I find the impish in one respect, but also it excites imaginations of be no chance Stalin erasing people out of photographs. So I worry, but their power, these business models most of them work. Repeated on a form of regulation. That said, you are, you are neutral forms. The internet is a neutral platform that anyone can use any one can publish their website, doing whatever views and that created platforms. Now Twitter, Google face are all exercise

raising added, you know editorial discretion over some things. Their facebook is now seeing it's gonna, suppress anti backs views in its ah search. I I think we need to look at is much more seriously, we may need to invent a model. of regulation. That is not exactly what publishers face where Every single word could be subject to lie by law or whatever, even though America's libel laws much looser than other countries, because that would destroy these business models as well. This idea of self publishing on a platform would disappear. But if they are going to start censoring the views of large majorities of people if they're going to, things that you know the Facebook basically intervened in irish abortion referendum and said we're not gonna, except adds anymore on this, because

seemed like the pro life side was gaining momentum in the last weeks and thus or from media networks, and platforms were under pressure because Briggs, from one and they were blamed for it. So I think concerns need to be think more realistically. And also in the case of Google. My problem with them is not exactly warns. Problem My problem with them is more along the lines of treason, of helping America's rivals and enemies into were caught. Strikingly China, where they would create a censored version, the internet, the abandoned that project, that's good. They were caught. Having actually done, and given technology the chinese government to help the chinese government, Crete black lists of people, I'm sorry, I don't Look at Google and say like we used to say with GM. What's good for Google is good for America. It's not gm Help the Soviet Union built build its cars and tanks IBM didn't held. The Soviet Union

We shouldn't be helping China implemented for italian state and we should come down on them for it s a Charlie, that's two to go out and to bucket. Firstly, just your take on the Wall in proposal itself and then than Michael's points which are slightly different, but is obviously skeptical of these companies favor of raining them in some form or other and Charlie. I called Charlie yesterday when I was gonna writing how about that. He knows more about tax, that ideas like choice. What you take on this and don't just a freedom, okay, and that we need a better answer that will vote. Those are the two questions that the to us and they must be separated and I'm glad that Michael did separate them. I think I can understand why some conservatives nervous about the status quo. There is, of course,

our argument, we may that there is no point in our having robust first amendment protections in our having fun. him of expression. That is, at least by the government untrammelled by having a majority on the Supreme Court, that is very often nine to nothing in favour of speech. Eve. the mechanisms by which people actually communicate our corrupted that the problem with that, I think is, is two fold. The first one is that Michael said, and what happens Google start censoring large majorities in the answer. To that is, Google will see a competitor rise up if it is a large majority that will be outrage they will be a will be a market opportunity and I think, probably the best way to stop that market opportunity. The best way to prove and competition within the search engine market is for the government

come in and start treating Google like some sort of you Kennedy or natural monopoly when it is not one. That's how you entrench organizations That's how you stop smaller organisations from rising up. If you set these rules in place, the Google is going, to stay where it is now, Michael, might be happy without let him respond if his aim is to is if his aim is to create a neutral platform, but Elizabeth, worn and others who want to break up big tech certainly would not asked for Elizabeth warns plans. I dont think that way. thought through and I'm not sure she has a great idea of what she's talking about. I think, as is so often the case with that sort of populist, Progressive Elizabeth, worn, feels perhaps, as if she's living in nineteen hundred when she's, not the acquisitions that she complains about in her proposal. Do not

Look like the acquisitions of say, standard oil. They look like acquisitions made by a conglomerate, not a monopoly. Facebook did not. Get where it is by buying Myspace its bought, what's up, which is a different service, its board Instagram, which is a difference, this Amazon. As you said, rich porthole foods didn't I will not and the way it is Warren talks about these acquisitions is massive company that makes widget bore other company that eggs, which it and now widget buyers have fewer choices, but that's not what bidding her, even if you don't like Facebook, even if you don't like Amazon, that is not how these organizations have obtained their market position. Google had a different approach to search than did out a vista, and that's why overtook out a vista it didn't it didn't, knock it out of business.

by buying up a majority of shots. I think she's rollin, the acquisitions front and aisles think she's wrong when it comes to third party marketplaces because again she's living in the wrong year. Now, I'm assuming the analogue within Elizabeth warns. Mind here is what happened in the late ninety nineties, with Microsoft, internet explorer, Microsoft with shipping its operating system, which, at that point had a near monopoly on hardware with internet explorer its web browser and ass a result, the argument went it was crowding out what had for a while in the dominant browser, maybe even the original browser Netscape navigator. the argument was: it's just not fair. That Microsoft is using its massive Lee powerful position to essentially provide people ass, a default with that

browser rather than telling them there's a choice or giving them a choice that now using their hardware near monopoly, to create a software near monopoly. I personally, I don't think that be the case that settled that I think a ninety. Ninety eight was necessarily or correctly decided, but even if it was that is not what is happening here, because The date the case that war and is making is that what we now have the same situation with with apple with its Appstore, with Google, with Amazon, with with Microsoft, that they they have both hard war hardware software platforms and they have marketplaces and they use the marketplace its privilege, their own apps. But the fact that I just mentioned for companies should give some the occasion of why we are not living in ninety. Ninety eight, I have an Iphone.

but not everyone has an Iphone. Lotta people have Android phones, people have Amazon tablets, people have Microsoft that they all have their own stores. Is. There is much more competition here, there is also much more movement within this market. Blackberry was a company that had its own hardware, AIDS had proprietor software that run on the hardware and then it had its own store. But I remember along time ago now talking to people about blackberry, Senora whatever it was called, which was entirely limited to blackberry uses, one who has a blackberry. Now that's gone that that the market has changed. It is shifted and in ten to fifteen years if, if, if we were looking at an arena in which no change could occur in which one player was dominating and cutting others.

out, then everyone would still have a blackberry, but the dent- and they probably won't have the same hardware in fifteen years as they did fifteen years revenue. So I'm I'm just not convinced that we are talking about tech in the right way. I think there is far more of a case to be made from Michael's perspective that we haven't thought through the consequences of large and powerful play as having the capacity to edit the flow of information, effectively. Then there is for treating technology companies in two thousand nineteen like oil companies in nineteen hundred it she's like Michael. Let your responded just second, but

It's just the notion that the Microsoft antitrust suit opened up the space is, as she insists for Google and Facebook to arise and thrives totally ridiculous. Microsoft wasn't thinking of that wasn't his business model wasn't thinking of what Google and Facebook we're gonna do. So it was a totally different proposition and then on Amazon and offers a read up on this little bit yesterday, crew girls, I kind of the had an image of them is like the tree national grocery store? You know the founded in eighteen, eighty, some and they just massively invest. and changing their business because of all the competition, including Amazon, buying hopeful So now you know their Charlie and others might frighten you they're looking into robot delivery choice, not about big robot guy. You know self Sulfa check out and just making themselves into twenty. century operation forced in part by

Amazon is doing in that. That's competition, not the opposite of competition, but he went Michael up and on what choice a year. I think we need to look at and gradually agrees. We need to look at their power over conversation. I mean, for instance,. we know that they could have done it, but we wouldn't have allowed mob bell to censor phone conversations, and that is obviously social media is different, and these companies have an interest in providing an environment. That's inviting to most people. Your stand that date and actually she'd some of their efforts to get rid of anti social behaviour, things that constitute real harassment from companies? Do Are you to block certain phone numbers? That's all to the good, but that's different from editing political conversations and Google. I mean I'm with Peter tea on this one, but you Google, socially utility, what what is it

it's now sitting on a cash pile. That is just absolutely monstrous, so by sitting on a cash pile. Google is saying we have no business ideas. We have no idea what to do with this money. We are letting it hybrid away with inflation. We are not best thing in real business that is not true their buying such their buying and basically shutting down some competitors. I think Josh Holly is right. On this. There have bought in shut down. People are trying to The inverted call search technology which they don't do well, so I I do think there is a case that Google is the nasty pirate. That's my well, that would be my focus of investigation, TAT, copies and thus hugely. I think Amazon seventeen. We know the numbers conclaves Laguna, yes, read over twenty two billion Google huge, I mean autonomous cars with recognition, artificial intelligence, they're, all

I think this through not hiring many people. Michael Michael, that's a Democrat. We are we didn't. We have tat, we have to draw it. We have to draw Herrick the key distinction, and that is that Google is of course, still subject to the same. Nobly rules as everyone else, and if, if Google is found to be increased, being or maintaining its market share by choir, wring its competitors and then shutting them down. That is a different. That is a different question legally and politically than if Google has created its market share organically, and I think that that what where we probably differ on this is not that I am not equally concerned privately with some of the ways in which Google behaves in, but that you just compared good to my bow- and I wouldn't do that, because Google is not

from monopoly, and it's not a utility and it's not in fact the case that it owes its position either to extremely aggressive acquisition of its competitors. All to its requiring a remark, Couple array of resources such that another company can't get involved also we should just remember that are the companies in being is is not used as much as Google, but it is used by quite a lot of people. Millions of people, in fact, and it is owned by microsoft- is up Is it not owned by Microsoft, which is an enormous enormous company and Yahoo is now tied with being but would be easy to break off if pushed came to shop? So we're not talking about one company, we're not talking about a? U turn we're not talking about a natural monopoly here and we're not talking about a company.

that by and large owes its current position to having crowded out everyone else with its cash pile. Ok, I agree that it's not like Ma Bell is artificial, beast that was created What I meant the bases that comparison was. The idea of allowing telephone companies to regulate. The speech that said on on telephone convert nations. We would not allow that end Similarly, we have about. Why think about how why why wouldn't we allow that we wouldn't allow that, because you didn't have a choice because it was a natural monopoly but that's not the case in this. Secondly, wouldn't allow today you wouldn't allow horizon or but that's a utility, they utility companies right, but Google is not ok, I just don't

understand. The distinction were making as far as regulating the free speech aspect that, yes, there are like licensed to use these airwaves to use this, so the government does control that, but actually don't think that's why the I dont think customers believe that's the basis for why, in a rising, doesn't cut off their conversation if they say you know, darker darkened your heart or something like that which you can limbs and might be willing to say so. Right I can I can I there is about social contract that, if you're you you you are paying for this, you can speak in wait. You can write what you want and it will appear there now abusive behaviour, of your constantly calling a number and harassing the person. their side. There are means of blocking you, just as I did

might be appropriate on sulphur media networks to have means of blocking people who were gazing, harassing behaviour right, but that there is a key difference head. I'm sorry to keep going about this, but you don't use Google's mail service, Michael Caution, trust them. You use or hump a company that was set up explicitly because there are Michael Brendan counties in the world who don't trust, Google. That is why the company you use exists. It is competition. It is there to take advantage of Google shortly. There was no such alternative company with my bow and there's no such alternative company with with modern phone systems online. It is, it is still the case that competition working well and that that The existing frameworks for regulation do not apply in the way that they once did

can I just gave here you are sitting on the speech, question yeah so, I think, one of the problems that we have here when we're when we're looking at that there is a lot of revulsion for social media companies right now, but it's coming from different places and were in So if you're on the left and twenty twelve, for example, the the adoration for all of these sort of young hip tech entrepreneurs who are all progressive. Who then Some of them worked for the Obama campaign and they should have figured out these algorithms and how they could use it to reach unreached dimension. voters likely democratic voters mean that just the adoration out there that they could use Facebook too the system it was You know, I still remember the New York Times pieces from twenty twelve twenty thirteen and then all of a sudden other people figured out how to use these platforms What we now have is this progressive

loathing for the platforms that is based on will wait a minute. It's not engineering, progressive outcomes that we wanted, so what we're gonna agitate for it. greater sort of progressive intervention into the platform, putting our thumb on the scales more you have. Conservatives who see some on the scales and they say no, no, what we wondered last But I'm on the scales. We want more liberty, we ought more independence. And we have this whole subset of people that are larger subset that are parents, you're, saying what I'm not interested in politics. My kids just spend too much time on here and they see toxic things in toxic community nations, and so all of this, I think all of us, break up talk in all of this stuff is not getting it where people are actually really living when their thinking, that social, media and and One of the things I think it's gonna be important going forward. I think it's going to be in preserving and promoting the idea that if you

a problem with that that this responsibility of the social media companies is not but a thumb on the scales. It is to be viewpoint, neutral. That's why I talk about all the time when I talk about importing. Waiting social media companies to import first amendment principles in the way they govern their platforms for them too. viewpoint neutral, but at this time, invest in educating users over the incredible amount of power they have over their own feet. and this is something where you know your power over your your own social media experience is an extraordinary its extraordinary an end. user sit there and they look at it and they often it's almost as if they feel like helpless when there are the opposite of that, but I think that the the challenge we're gonna have going forward if its. If the battle from this point forward is gonna, be the progressive public is saying to social media companies. Could your thumb the scales for these progressive outcomes that your progressive workforce wants to see him, and then you.

The conservative response that freedom for freedom. But everybody knows that that responses, mainly motivated by the fact that the is them in- and mainly them, and not other people mean this- is just gonna go back and forth, and back and forth. I think that the persuasive, the point of persuasion with social media on this really the issue of who gets to speak and whose, whose voice gets privilege has to be to emphasise the double down on viewpoint. Neutrality fits David. Why does that have to be an effort of persuasion? Have not mistaken Josh, Holly, very impressive, freshmen centre. From Republicans from Missouri, see back said no will write a rule that imposes the standard on these companies. What would be wrong with that? Well, you know these companies are private actors, Emmi, nay, they actually enjoy protection, constitutional protections and and

Joshua in a while. I agree that these companies should have rules centred around viewpoint neutrality. They are private actors protected. from government interference to a large degree by the constitution themselves and so for the guy. To say, if you're going to have a social media platform in it must be the point now. Troll is itself the government imposing a viewpoint on these companies. It's a garden imposing a thicket. I think his point- and I am not haven't delved into it- great detail, but is that where we have the communications decency act, that makes it possible for these companies to operate the waiter? do so there's already at an effective government law that creates the rules around the space. So why, when you just a man that to include this provision, that would be totally in keeping with the Spirit of the first moment well, you know, I think, see em you know on the on the FCC, you know the communication

Decency ACT which is applying mainly to broadcast, which the government actually owns the airwaves, so it it, sort of a category are where government. Owns a space. Can the government impose rules on the use of airspace? Yes, absolutely when the government as an own. The space and impose rules similar to those that it imposes when it does on it. That's a different, issue. I mean, I think, there's a profound constitutional issue there. We will have to look at how good companies The government is doing this, I just as a final point against Elizabeth, warm, but also to an extent against Michael, and when that this, and came down and ninety ninety eight internet explore had about thirty percent market share and by Tooth and three five years after that decision, internet explorer had a market share of ninety three percent. My internet explorer as market share, is now ten percent.

that most of the rest of the market is is owned by browsers that were launched in two thousand for and two thousand eight respectively Firefox jumped up to thirty two and a few years ago now, it's down to ten chrome is now at sixty percent Microsoft, has a new browser completely internet explorer there? It maintains internet explorer. Instead, the government does not do particularly well, even if David was incorrect, which is not agree with everything. David said that, even if it tries to get involved to shape these sorts of markets. Markets that are extremely flow, extremely dynamic and markets are frankly most politicians don't understand. I am highly sceptical that it would be able to do it. I I agree, however, if you're gonna tell me that if we pass Elizabeth warns Bill will end up destroying Facebook Twitter. I I I can't on foreign tomorrow brain

executioner, you, David French, three years from now, big tech will be operating without major government interference, yes or no. Yes, I shall add that will have maybe one more big tech player that we don't have. It fully appreciated yet took two Charlie's point that the common market- competition still works. cook ye. Yes, it will continue to operate without oversight, as the governments not capable of doing it. Anybody, I think we might get some light regulation. I agree with Michael, I think the definition here matters of how you look at major, I think, will see some more privacy regulations, and perhaps justifiably so, although, as I say, I think the Elizabeth Warm plan is insane and would also as Charlie,

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someone playing along in a shock, Jack format. You is discussing the warrant Jeff's case this crazy religion, CO, figure who, as encouraging people to marry under age girls, various other matters and things it though, and ways or not, We have for dinner table a conversation but said shouldn't be a firing offence, and Tucker and Fox, have completely stood up to this and Tucker had a really powerful. I thought so men on Monday NICE Programme about how this this kind of mob I just has to be resisted at all costs. Yeah I mean this. This was a at. You know it. You can see This almost any day- and this is just after I've- defended the autonomy of social media companies. But this is one of the. This is one of these controversies that remind you how, in how in such bad faith, people

Debate on social media of late, so here here goes Tucker. He says some things many years ago, There are frankly indefensible- I mean it was more than just a warrant just stuff. He also called Turkey's like semi literate, monkeys, it was all stuff that was designed to be inflammatory, divine designed to be provocative in nobody was. Defending at me. Nobody was defending it, but what's the the worst, immediately, is not creature Chris, eyes, Tucker or even condemn Tucker the stag trending is fire Tucker. It's to kick him off. The platform there's no number one, there is, I think many of We are rightly growing. Weary of this the idea that. all of our jobs. Anyone with a public voice at all, or sometimes anyone with any job at all or hanging

by the thread of whatever they said three four five ten years ago. it's an intolerable way to live in its own right. What makes it more intolerable is the notion that particular when it comes to certain When it comes, conservatives into a less to some public progressives, but in particular, when it comes to conservatives, their entire organizations like media matters that are spending their time. Sometimes hundreds of hours, looking through anything, you ve ever said in your entire life, with the goal of that gotcha moment that taken in and in a lot of people got ticked off at me when I wrote about this to call it fake outrage? How dare you call it fake outrage when he said Iraqis were monkeys? How ere. You call it fake outrage when he said this about victims of child rape, but calling fake outrage, because do you think for one Second, when these media matters Workers

are, in turn, are going through these hundreds of hours of old video Haven, audiotape and of reading hundreds of thousands of words when they come across the four minutes, bitter incredibly incriminating. Are they? Are they weeping in in pain and anguish? What they found like? Does it hurt them or they thrilled, because a guy the enemy. Now that's what's happening here. It's vengeful clean, we ve got him now, the whole rest, his life matters far less than these four minutes. The hold some hotel. Eighty of all, these written or said are meaningless because it is four minutes you know and if sit there and you think we'll talkers, uniquely bad Tucker, should pay look probable each one of us on this podcast has a media matters file, I mean I know I do you, you can go. Look media matters, Google, media matters for America, David, French, there's a rolling scrolling file of all of my outrages and their eyes that is now

the way to conduct discourse? in this country and by the let me go before I close this rant. Let me add an additional ramp of complete monumental hypocrisy. So here we have days of attacks on Turkey, Karlsson, because you think shocking things. He said to a shot, jock and again nobody's defending these things, like everybody's united that what Tucker said was not good decoy and is do you fire him because of what he said five to ten years ago, so you're days of outrage, and then it turns out that the president of medium matters has an old defunct blog. Where he said things every bit as offensive here, said things extraordinarily bigoted. He said things were racist, that's the present, of media matters and concern.

his reporting this out on twitter and all of those people. Posturing against Tucker, saying no, no, no! What we really hate, it's not that we hate conservatives will we really hate, is racism. That's what we really hate me, neither were almost all we're completely silent about the media matters. the racism and hatred from the present The medium outer said this is a game. This is a game avenge! It's a vengeance game! It's a game about looking through a person's life to find the one or two time bombs that they can find and then try to ignite does bombs to blast these voices from the public square. That's what this is about. It is not It is not about saving people from the pain that Tucker has inflicted upon. That is not what this is about ran to over. To think two things I miss you, no one. I dont think I think people

especially people. It you're young media writers, heard twenty five They mean our remember how libertine the controversy in the public conversation God in the nineties and early two thousands and how influential some of the shock jocks were. I don't I don't like what Tucker sat at all but I dont think people appreciate that and I think, as media matters and others keep going back through the nineties into thousands they'll find lots of lip. Calm the same things that would just not fly today and would be many outrages of their all of their own But what troubles me even more about the game that David French describes? It's kind of blasphemy right when you ask someone to apologize for something that they did wrong you. What you are asking for is for that purpose.

and to restore the bounds of comedy between you and them, or between them and a larger community of people to do this in a bad faith way to do this in and disingenuous way, where demanding you apologize, because when you apologize and admit you ve done something wrong new licence me the the person demanding the apology to thrust you to the outer darkness never to be heard from again I mean it that that's blasphemy, that's that's all I have to say about it's kind of blasphemy and it socially destructive, Charlie exit question to you, based on this Tucker Karlsson episode. Bad faith. Attacks based on old statements have now

jumped the shark or just gotten started some somewhere in the middle, but I think if the president of medium attics doesn't resign, there's no reason. I never should care about what he always organization says. It will be clear, they don't believe it and at that point, you're gonna find some sort of neutralize nation of this. This tactic, David. I think it is going to use keep rolling on their way. just some news. Just now that there has been a huge drop in advertisers tuckers faced him, Really bad week in lost advertisers and if that continues then then all of the incentives are still did around the pylon and I would like to think that if the me matters. President, doesn't resign their completely discredited, but they don't care nobody What this is about, purging the they come

the market place of bad people and in bad People are not defined according to the same standards, Tucker is a bad person, whether now He said any of that stuff on Bubba the loves sponge, so he was already a target. The media matters president an ally and you have given as for you, your allies and you have no mercy for the bad people. That's the way this works, and I dont see at stopping any time said Emily Alot pens on whether Fox stands behind Tucker who, by the way, the number one cable new show across all cables, including ESPN, etc, and whether other people who are subject to these outrage, blocking imitate his example of basic spitting on the accusers and saying you're in bad faith, all apology, for anything bad. I've said to people who are Syria

about an apology so yeah. I don't know what it depends on. It depends on what happens here. I think he's Tucker has nudged it closer, the needle more in the direction of jumping the shark than anyone has before, but I take David's points quite seriously and that that advertisers and corporations are a real target here and they do not have anything like tuckers courage when faced with mobs like this, so very briefly for move on. Let me mention the two thousand and nineteen NASH Review New England crews, which sales from August twenty. Fourth to thirty. First, This is our now a embedded part the natural you operation, an institution we have made just dozens and dozens of dear friends on these

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Viable there's no other deal on the table, perhaps will be a delay, but Britain is hurtling towards the deadline here, which has only couple weeks away now right, it's it's a complex so right now parliament, going through going to go in the next couple days of her furious series of expressive votes. The fact is in just over two weeks, Britain is scheduled to exit the European Union that was destined the day that Britain voted with parliaments and in Britain's parliament voted. Are the Uk Parliament voted Two handed in article fifty noticed that they were withdrawing in two years. That is set to happen in just over two weeks. If they don't sign, maize deal. They will leave without a deal their vote against an audio brags. It has no legal force, yet they have to get something else.

Today's we, as we speak, they're gonna vote on whether to ask the EU for an extension. The EU can put conditions on granting an extent so in a maybe more votes in the commons, the hard core back. The tears of you know put forward some amendments about, ok, will delay breaks it by a few weeks. Or guarantee more rights for EU citizens living in the UK and will do so that in the old and the EU should give us more wiggle room on the backstop or more assurances that we can exit the backstop that keeps the the hey in the Eu Customs rules until a future trading agreements is realised that went down that went down by as much as treats amaze withdrawal deal. So the hard core Briggs tears, I think, are finding out

that parliament there isn't a majority in parliament for their vision of brags it. My own prediction is the only options are maize deal or no deal. I think, after these expressive vote maize, going to submit her deal again early next week. And it may win votes Jacob Breeze Maud, who is kind of a hero to many the tears kind of gave himself Jacob Zone ladder to climb down after the deal went down again this week, saying that he would support the maize deal. If it seem like breaks, it itself was in jeopardy and as we get closer as it looks like

it's coming out of trees, amaze hands and being thrown over to a chaotic parliament, it looks like the parliament is: there's the majorities for a softer brags it a customs union permanently with EU or possibly if the process falls apart. Another referendum, which would be, I think, most sensible would agree would be kind of destructive to british civil society toward british democracy towards democracy in up and down. So my prediction is, I think, maize deal will pass at the last minute and shall be swiftly booted out, afterward Charlie as a hard core racketeer. What do you think? I'm a little worried now because it seems possible, we're going to see a delay and I'm not sure you recover from delays

the problems that have underpinned breaks it from the start, namely that there was a big divide between the people in parliament that the the pro and anti camps did not fit neatly into the major parties within parliament that the people who were in favour of breaks it had different reasons and that once they had one there s no question. Those reasons came to the fore on now playing out in real time and for a longer time than I had anticipated and if we do end up with parliament, having ruled out completely crashing and also hurtling towards delays. I think you'll start to see the british political establishment

exerting an enormous amount of pressure on a parliament. That is not that keen on leaving anyway and I that killing the whole project, if they can perhaps by calling a general election and making this an effect second referendum or by watering down breaks it so that Britain essentially reconstitute most of its constituent parts through parliamentary action. I think this my dangerous time. Britain will accept the European Union, yes or no. Now after the snap election, I said, do they probably wouldn't I think they will by the skin and their teeth. I think they will vote for maize deal which gets them out jolliest enough. I think they will accept it. I think the next couple of weeks ago, in the extreme

dramatic, but I think ultimately they well because it would be such a body blow to british democracy and to Britain's conception of their own country as a place in which they are in charge that the political class will not risk it and the Tory Party we would suffer enormously. They don't that's another good point, thus desperate, I say effectively, no probably be something called breaks it, but it'll be so soft. It will be indistinguishable from I'm staying and I entirely endorse. Charlie's worry about a delay when, once you do, the first delays really see the second delay and then you're you're on this slippery slope to this not happening or basically now having only happening in in name only so David French we're going to do democratic politics and an exit question only here

at the end of this, at the pod percentage odds and your view that. Better Orourke Robert Francis? Our work will be the democratic now many and twenty twenty I'm gonna go as high is thirty five percent we are I'm gonna say that when people see him and the way he presents his ideas next to on stages. Next to a lot of these other candidates, I think he's gonna stand out, as I forget to do. Did you two burning to do to do a dirty percentages I dont remember doing a Bernie presented shot up. You might banana. Why do you have a percentage Javert percentage for Bernie? I am

Putting Bernie in this is prevailing. My editors pick by tat, I'm putting Bernie right around the same odd well. Are it shall cook percentage odds robber? Francis will be the democratic know me, thirty. Five in the press is certainly China hype him into it, and that has worked in the past. and all we are learning from her slightly higher on Bernie. Now I'm Hiram Bernie. I I think that these may be as high as forty forty five percent, although I have I have, feeling. That might be the number he gets in, I I think he man just missing at getting forty seven percent again in making all of his friends extremely upset. An angry anybody. I'm lower than you guys, there's one media hype. I still think it's more like twenty percent, I think the interesting fight will be them. The kind of Bernie Biden fight at the beginning,

I had it is twenty as well, but I mean that to be high right eye like thirty on on Bernie, in about twenty and Beto. I don't know if we did this for everyone or I'll probably end up with a number higher than a hundred that I take him seriously and it's it's just the question. How talented is You know if the if he has a bomb a level talent is really could happen form if he doesn't, despite the the press, push and at all all the buzz is gonna fizzle out, and it's going to think you have on appeal among young people at the outset that guinea break the demographic barrier. Kenny have Kenny of appeal

you were to african american Democrats again, I dont discounted off. I I hate the fact that I take them seriously. At the beginning, Michael, we, MR made a toxic gabert joke. Better was good for just for you whether better was gonna clips, Dulcy Gabby What is a serious guy? You know he has not a serious guy but a serious psych candidacy as Lotto online online fundraising ability by the crowd metric. I think he's going to be right up there with so before we VON and land. This plain: let's hit a few other items, David you are outraged by the poor manners of you taught jazz fat now outraged in its new outrage, might be a little strong, shocked and astounded. It it's really interesting, but if you

following Ba basketball at all. One of the things that emerged in recent weeks is the reality that there is widespread consensus that the worst fans and all of professional basketball, and maybe in american professional sports Utah, jazz fan, which is yes yet are worse than eagles bans, the Rangers bands and now you're, not bands. Maybe red line is banned, maybe not more than doing Santa Claus thirty years ago by ETA, but when it comes to the way these guys interact with the players, it's pretty some of them. Acts, are pretty shocking it. It came out. Russell Westbrook got into a verbal vacation with a fan who is later banned for life from the arena for things that he said to Russell Westbrook and at any time and time again you will hear people say: there's no place worse than you talk, which I, just blows my mind because, like us,

in time in Utah. These read some of the nicest people in America they're just must be. Some thing triggering about their love for their jazz. It is anyway trust me on this listeners. Do a little digging. You will find there is a universal consensus, is put in, at least in the NBA that these guys in Utah are the worst thing we even on nice, Mitt Romney, just absolutely relentlessly tackling the thunder in the play off last year. So this is it's a real things fright those frightening that those frightening unleashed the Charlie even focused on raspberry. Pod. Yes, it arose replies little computer. It was this I in England, and One of the main reasons for its invention was to bring computing to people with

lower incomes around the developing world and they're about forty dollars for it. For us that comes with a wifi card in the land, Cardinal Jemmy Button songs. You can use it for a lot of different things, but has become a pocket. A choice among tech, copyists and I keep I keep buying them, putting that'll things on, for example, you can you can build emulated for old arcade games and you have a little talk, computer game concept that will play a very games in that the Eightys and Ninetys you can use it. Is the seller can use s asset DNS server can attach to a tv and put up information and permission you want. Your calendar is alive, update how long it will take to get to a particular place where the or flight is on time, the weather and so on and so forth. We have any computer hobbyists. Listening may prove your do you know about this, but the Ross replies, although probably not designed for hobbyists

a great way to em to play around with their with projects without spending much money. Darien Michael Info son my knowed yeah. I think and recommend this before, but we sometimes repeat these My note is a piece of software that you can get for the MAC Whirr. I S. Devices like a knife or I Ipad. I just find it's perfect forged organizing my thoughts on just about anything. I just mind maps just speak too. How I think- and everyone should try it it's perfect, I think you have you have mentioned as Bulgaria, so I'm fine with Elizabeth Warren. A ruining facebook and Google an Amazon so long as she leave stub hub untouched. I just love this website. It so much better than

traditional scalping? Okay, I do a lot of in the day I usually good experiences, but you never just you never knew quite which you're getting an My shame and for reasons I won't go into. I was actually bought counterfeit scout. Take it to a W Nba game and I also had a bad experience outside outsider Wrigley once were this guy said all these are these are bleacher it's early in the season, so you you know. I love the idea of in the in the sun and Wrigley in it. new and it turned out they were behind home plate under the stands worth like twenty degrees. Colder, so that was a miserable experience, but stub obviates all that kind of obsessed with its Charlie. I was watching an Oak Yankee Oakland Ays Game last year at Oakland Yoda, like ten thirty. thirteen a united night and there seemed like they're just five thousand people there, as I wonder what how much a ticket

to hear edited Ays game like five dollars, so the secondary market, or something like that. So you guys think that I'm moderating this this apple podcast, but actually monitoring the secondary market for big each quarter. Final tickets, this afternoon on stub and waiting for the market to crash, and yes, that I gonna go. Watch college, basketball, basketball, that people players really care about. The games and training. Will there harnessed, and I would agree to dare to watch a college team score. Forty seven points than watched, the Orlando Pelicans score, a hundred thirty. So rich will stop. I pay you to watch basketball that bad I gave you know that you always do you almost got my head. I think it's like a year ago were in you didn't mean it is receiving casual conversation. I ask you something where they fall

College or whether you can watch the tournament or something I Keaton you're like no, I don't. I don't. Watch inferior basketball and there's a period there for a couple weeks rather watch. Does this really sock guys, but that I got over it just so much better as such? These these tournaments are such a wonderful experience. The bands kids are so into it: the reduced Dick ridiculous mascots, it's it's wonderful, I mean you know you can do that. A lot cheaper, watching kids hustle throw up a lot of bricks within front of enthusiastic student bodies that you're just local high school to share our right. So before we go, let's do our editors picks, Charlie, what you put on editorial from yesterday on the vote to disapprove of Donald Trump Unilateral executive action, which I hope Republicans follow devil shipping. I saw the notorious in beady on this very podcast, his

his serious look at Bernie, I think, said folks who sort of them Bernie as an easy ticket to as it has been for the Democrats or uneasy ticket to victory for trumpet twenty twenty are missing, that what he is tapping two and missing, maybe with some of the ways in which he could present himself oddly enough. no he's. A socialist is somehow less radical than his far more woke peers in the dim, private parties. I thought indeed he gave us say on a nice dose a nice reality check here and One thing, though, going back debate our real fast you're, the Lincoln Expert Rich but how long before we start hearing the Lincoln Comparisons, a few terms in a house lost a high profile Senate race. Now having to yeah, I mourn just this morning.

is it the Lincoln analogies came up here here we go and be what's your point, I'm trying to imagine Lincoln Broadcasting has dented, gets internal guidelines making to having a dentist deployment Lincoln's Instagram sitting sullenly in his home, trying to ignore his wife that Serbia has social media again, my Maya editors Pic- is Kevin. Williamson admissions crisis he's just great. My pig is Jack Fowl a cover story on Mark Janis and his case, and the new issue national view. Jack, as many of you know, is long time was long time, publisher of National you- and this is his first cover story in an hour. So thank Jack, we're very happy.

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