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deal that isn't quite a deal is actually a deal at all. It is it's a piece of paper to communicate that has its central, vague assurances we ve heard before what to make of it. Listen when two german Forbes meat something special is bound to have between trumps handsome advisers and Kim Jong earns portable toilet. I mean we witness is a clean meeting in Singapore. So listen. I think this is potentially a disaster. the way it's gone? I think I'm scared, so some people been waiting for a long time about how hawkish I've sounded on North Korea, but I think this committee, Hey is so poorly thought out and so poorly defined, and obviously, in my pale was not getting very much of anything from North Korea inside

pre preliminary negotiations Now you have Donald Trump coming back to him in saying that it sleep well at nights. The nuclear threat is over, we're gonna see. You know. North Korea give up all nuclear weapons and then on the North Korea inside. It seems like him as saying that kids are gonna, leave the korean Peninsula and that's going to happen now. That is so well. I see so far, is potentially more confusion that could to an even more dramatic exchange of tests, and you know, threats of fire and fury in the near future. If this thing doesn't go well, so far However, you know it looks like it just for domestic political audiences. It's been very good for Trump meaning, it seems, like is very popular Americans

the north korean threat seriously. They want to see their leaders talk with dictators and an ratchet down the tension. So, on the domestic front it's been a win for Trump. I think an area that about that with all so he stuff about it long term, I you know, the cause nation of a president. Really seem to understand power politics in EAST Asia, a south korean president who hails from you know the kind of the far end of south korean left, which has some real sympathies with jewish. As of philosophy that governs Korea and an assertive- and you know I agree with when once since it can join an escape, seems capable he's. He's strengthen the grip of the regime on North Korea is strengthened and nuclear power ram, and now he is proceeding at a very rapid speed on his diplomatic tor and

seems to be getting concessions all around and not only that he's even getting the kind of weird cold war era- dictator worship that Now and others got, I mean when he arrived in Singapore. There are shearing crowds hailing him, and I was surprised to see that I mean this. This guy should be known as the worst ruler of any state on earth, so it try I'm out of them really skeptical This whole enterprise had been from the beginning. A couple caveats, maybe there's something going on that: we're not seeing and theirs reason that the administration is optimistic too. I do think we all have to have also sets modesty that Donald Trump clearly has insights into aspects of human psychology that escape most of us some. Maybe this is the right place to butter. Em up like like this, although I am pretty poor

by it, but it just seems to me three months ago I was saying the worst case here. You have the summit. We try to get a complete, rapidly colorization the North Koreans tried it. the string and along and create a big process. Now what we ve gotten is actually the administration embracing and celebrating the the option for the long process and that's why I don't think it a blow up in a near term. Could I think Kim Nosey needs did strings long blow up some stuff. He might send us a few nukes because he wants to play this out and get the relief economic relief from the sanctions and then he can consider his his next option. I don't think you and well, I have been open minded toward this summit and I was ever minded toward the around to use every hugely optimistic about doesn't want member that exit question when there are almost like a ten on railway success. Why? Because farmers, she's, not my area, I tend to be more open to start with.

I hear about a potential agreement memory about the around deal. I really didn't have a strong view, other than that I had to go through the Senate. That was what what bothers me. And I didn't on this either and I thought they should meet. I don't have a particular problem with american President's meeting terrible terrible people, but it does strike me that some of the same things have happened with this not quite to deal with this and as happened with the around your first start from put himself in a position, asked Obama in which he felt as if he had to get something he could celebrate when he got home and asked you said that would domestic precious here as well as eight hundred and twenty two american public moved of his going over there. They are

appalling, show as much more worried about North Korea than they are about. Russia, we don't get that impression, given the fever pitch of the Russia hysteria, but Americans do think that North Korea is a threat, and that leads you into a difficult position of Europe a later, because it is hard to walk away. However much talk from said he would be prepared to, and so he went over and he agreed not much really and then, rather than coming back and basking in a long process. As he said now, there is no threat from North Korea anymore than you clear threat has gone and response to this people who are deeply sceptical- and I think rightly skeptical- of what actual happen said hold on. I mean I'm not sure about all this and trumps. Acolytes said what you wanna war, because that was the option. You want a war which is- what happened with the around here. It's uncanny. I know the two deals are the same thing, but the politics around them, but the same thing, and so as somebody who watched both

open mind, I'm getting it a bad feeling about this, because I think that the imperatives on her bomber from us a similar and that yeah you're gonna end up potentially with a deal that is bad for America. Just to say you you got one sir, it does seem to me one thing. The trump has a point about, and this is what about his right hand, but the there. It tremendous amount of freak out over the last year about being on the cusp of worry and trumpet say the thing I got a big, but now my my desk, and although we were on the cusp of nuclear war, now that never

implausible to me, I thought this was going to a diplomatic track, but if I had thought that we're on the cusp of war way, a lot of liberals did, I would be satisfied with any diplomacy, even bad diplomacy. So there does seem to be an element of hypocrisy here. I would go further than that, after the cancellation of a previous meeting there were in a kind of all of these observers were saying. Ah ha, you know Trump claims to be this deal maker, see what he's done. Nita kiddies pulled the age just this immediate reaction, because there's this belief, everything that he does is gonna go wrong and I think in this case you know, I'm very sorry that it too

Michael internally. Both said we don't know Nick ever status, argue that what you actually want is to have lower level meetings, building up to something else down the line after you have real trust. Building after you have real concessions. There were concrete asks that the trumpet ministration gotta made and that's not what happened, but I guess building on a point that Charlie raised before I am really really struck, as he is by some of these parallels between this administration and the previous administration. Now, obviously, these guys are very, very different, but how are they different and what is it that makes them different? So, under the abandonment creation you had a coterie of foreign policy maidens who said a high, it is the above administration against the blob. The blob says we must remain in Iraq. We must do ex wines, IE and Morocco. Burma is an original thinker. He is a bold thinker. He is not going to be in slavish devotion to these allies. Are those allies are here,

I'm going to necessarily be tightly aligned with our traditional allies in the Gulf or with. real he's going to shake the kaleidoscope and do something really bold indifferent. This was also the big picture claim the irony of the ideas hey. Can we actually secure some kind of grand reversal of coalitions to really drastically change global geopolitics? However, Barack Obama was constrained because Barack Obama, enough for all his virtues, was ultimately- and I dont see this as an insult- a conventional thinker whose approval is he seeking. It is actually very costly for Obama if every single person in every elite, university or every former secretary of state or what have you is saying, you're a buffoon you're, an idiot, your endangering the world. If Angela Merkel says how dare you you know, that is something that would operate as a constraint on Barack Obama that would hit constraint on George W Bush when we're looking at Donald Trump. Donald Trump is an approval seeking peace.

When he makes this or that move, he is seeking approval. He is, however, seeking approval from very different people. Then the people from whom Barack Obama seeking approval, and that is exactly what is so frightening. You know we ve all been talking about and we'll talk about this later on the progress, but just you know that The postwar international order is being shattered into what you're actually saying is that there is a group of credentials. People there is a group of people who have gained, I won't say, earned great deal of respect plaudits and what have you weren't positions of authority, and they constitute you know this kind of network of people and they make all sorts of claims about the world from making forty five to the present. That really is best understood. We ve talked about this endlessly before it's really about the world, from the nineteen ideas to the present red, so Donald Trump. One could argue, ungenerously that you know that's just not his world in a kind of its own something he really, and certainly those that's, not approval that he seeks

foreign policy, mandarins that of Obama's closest AIDS were dismissive of. I mean trumpets beyond dismissive of that mean anybody. He just eat open, Frank, Daphne and John Bolton say it's a good idea. You know, maybe that's one thing, but he doesn't care about what the Georgetown Couteau parties that thinks and that's busily dangerous on one level, because those guys do know a lot of stuff, but also really want to shake the Kaleidoscope, Donald Trump shaking the kaleidoscope. When you think that Michael I mean I basically agree with what right I'm said, I think that I'm a little worried about the way that, as the partisan affiliation of the present United Seats changes, United States policy swings dramatically from being very much about getting to our european allies under a Democrat and then getting too close to Middle Eastern Republican, it does seem to be the swing now for several. Several presidency changes an end

runs right. There is this class of people in Europe and in a sense like Europe's infantile, ized politics right there. The real truth of the postwar liberal error rate is that America's conquering of Europe in two stages in world war, two and then winning the cold war has infant lies european politics and their obsessed with the small ball stuff. That's not very dangerous ever freer movement of Trade, INA of goods, capital services, but the american president has to deal with nasty. Seems all across the world. Has the euro this is the one holding together or armies opening the ceilings that make the world run on time, and this this is a risk. I wish that tromp had not been so a few save about Kim Jong on when Nixon went to China. he was much more circumspect. He would say something more like you know, chair Germany has is loyalty. His system and we are loyal to

ours, and we can relate as people that believe our systems, but want peace, was very circumspect. He would not have said like how Chairman MAO has managed? This is really super impressive. The cultural revolution was MA, so yeah like China at sea knows what a story that come up the way man. He was chosen as some sort of a corporate get away as the future, rather than inherited power it, but it is crazy, has Trump almost talks about it like the way North Koreans, Blake official propaganda. There is a meeting- was talked about it. Like criminal son was born in a mountain out deliberate thoughtful. Do you think that is? I mean I thought I thought that I she thought Trump did a few smart things like that crazy video. Did people see that with my other, the guy dumping, the basketball. This move,

style trailer, actually thought that was kind of a brilliant. You no attempt to speak to this bizarre figure, who leads North Korea, who is one part stolen. One part over indulged, no man, child and in the question is that the success of this enterprise all depends on things. We don't know, we don't know if the north korean regime is really rickety, because it's running out of cash reserves because of the pressure of the MAX you, no sanctions regime, we don't know, its losing legitimacy among people, because they're getting more and more access to outside media. We dont know if Kim Jong on wants to make. Transition, the way that China did underdog Xiaoping and that's what he's making his moves to do? We just don't know that things here. There is some chance that last one, I don't think it's high, but there it there's some rest small chance that the video

think is, is in some ways an indication of where from could be brilliant, but could also be completely ridiculous. And if you look at the guy one of his aspects or one of the features that he brings is, he is almost like a prosperity, gospel preacher. If you talk to two working class voters who pulled the leave if a trump they quite like the fact that he's he's garish that he has just naturally have a golden toilet, but people think he does and these, oh, my god look he's this guy who made it and we need more of that and the video or does it was- was essentially prosperity. Gospel for four Kim right of things: it is like the opening to the apprentice right using. This is what your country could be. I had the lights on. Did you notice, because not re never has the lights on the pictures, but this had the lights are as a one level you could. They will know

One else in the whole world would have done that or thought of that. Maybe it's brilliant, but then another level you think, but that is still trumps tricks, maybe he's trying in a complete and is very, very difficult to know and want. That's one reason that that I was quite happy from to go under and I was moderately looking forward to the summit because the last twenty thirty sixty years, american farmers do not grow, haven't particular what why not let this lunatic for. I have a go. I just don't think he he seems to have pulled it off it too early to know, but I don't think he did it. The sobering thought for me is just that when you look at this and when you try to step back from Trump, when you try to step back from everything else, the order of events seems to be. North. Korea has reneged on every deal it's made before and now finally got together. A semi, credible, icy beam thread that could reach America Kim immediately collected these prizes

collected the follow up of the President s summit in Singapore. He got the soft green president to greet him at the DMZ and the south korean present numbly did that, but has started floating ideas of economically uniting the peninsula underneath two governments. This is this is unbelievable coup for Kim, and unless these other things that I mentioned before, that we dont know our true, but my might conclude, that I wrote miss this weaken on me at websites to things came as winning the out of a year ago- and I was in japan- is the height of the crisis- and we met with this- this old veteran of four or foreign service. Guy now, big in business and ages, said, look he's gonna he's gonna tests as much as he needs.

two to declare that he now has its capability and they can a cash it in and he's gonna go go to the negotiating table nicer of adopted that, as my view in its proven correctly want one tiny thing. I want to add his things. I would in these future meetings would be one recognition of the Republic of Korea by the de parquet too. Interesting impersonal, one as we know we got word supposedly getting back american remains appealed. I'm is another thing from could argue for impersonal terms if he has more personal action with him is that North Koreans, who have escaped North Korea and live in the United States, should be granted the right to communicate with their families and that right should not jeopardize their family safety. Those would be just little things I mean recognising soft gray would be a big thing, but those two things I think, would be a sign that real progress is happening, short of something like that. I mean this has been bad. I'm also curious to see how the chain

These are likely to react, because one possibility is that they now have more room to manoeuvre more room to insert themselves in the negotiation and also to basically craft an outcome that will be more favourable for their purposes on very sympathetic to misinterpretation. Yet I wonder if you know this idea of yeah ultima, leave. Taking it out of states offer the peninsula is the endgame. That's obvious is that it would be a very positive outcome for the Chinese. Sir Ector question on this topic to you: envy D at the end of Trump First term kin. in Trump will still be friends, yes or no. No, it will deteriorate maybe a year after them in terms ramp. I'm terrified at the prospect of the relationship deteriorating too much, but that sounds awfully plausible. I will say the relationship will not deteriorate just to be contrary, Charlie,

I think this Toby friends, I think it's a tough. It's a tough question because kids can want too string us along give us some stuff trump. You know if this is is foremost foreign policy Jimmy you can be really vested in it and want to run on it and twenty twenty. But I'm gonna, say: there's, there's gonna be a moment where the administration realises that this is not really happening, so I M going. They know with that let's hear more from our sponsor quip. The truth is, most of us are brushing our teeth wrong, not for long enough and forget to change our brush on time. That's because most brands focus on selling flashy gimmicks rather than better brushing, but not quip. So what makes quip so different? The start is crap is an electric toothbrush. That's a fraction of the cost of bulkier brushes

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on Twitter on Medicine, Trudeau fan, but this is certainly an unprecedented event and one another when another things it's also, it's also. Never again, it is impossible to imagine any of the prison- and I say to ever being so publicly insulting to the head of state of our country. What do you make of it? Why? The whole thing was enormously embarrassing and it was exactly why people worried about Donald Trump, being president in the early days of his running, he would say things about cracking down on four speech, and they would allow me, but into his presidency. That sort of talk is this parents, and even if he sometimes hints at it, he clearly has no intention of actually doing anything. He's not a tyrant he's not Hitler but he is embarrassing and he is impulsive and he has no real understanding of how precious the international system that has been built over the last seventy years is, and he is imposing

This is this is one of the facets of his presidency. He is using the powers that Congress is delegated. At will now and so when he criticizes. In truth, I am not that than ass, a euphemism when slams just enjoy today, you don't just sit down thing all this is embarrassing, so gauche, you think, my goodness he is he going to go back to them it has and actually do some of the things that that he's threatening. so I think in this area this is this is the manifestation of Trump ass problem. That has probably been the most alarming to me since he took office terrain. Had how do you? How do you think this is theirs

can be said for trumps case against against Canada and the allies. Specifically. On the Canada front, there are a lot of subtleties to the relationship. If you look to Trudeau government, it's really interesting produce foreign Minister Christy, Leland, someone, Trudeau, holds in very high regard. Someone who is considered a rising star in the government is a journalist who had worked for many years that the financial times I believe had been at the economists. Have you done. I've been on shows with her she's Diana Mcloughlin Group and absolutely she is a former road scholar she was at Harvard. She is someone who is just deeply embedded in the world of kind of eastern seaboard, innovative elite politics and media. What have you she is? She understands in an exceptionally well and she is someone who, in a frankly in her family, in a wasn't heritage for very long time, she's very steeped in the world. That is

so given rise to the anti trump resistance. Just introduce himself in many ways has seen Donald Trump as an invaluable foil for his brand of cultural politics and diplomacy. On the other hand, you know the relationship between Canada and the United States is, of course central to both countries aspire. really so to Canada, and this is a very delicate balancing act when you literally have a government that is so steeped in. Let's call it Anglo who north american culture and politics, but that is also meant to achieve a more cooperate relationship, but on the other hand there is the other dynamic in which hey you actually want to play to your base, and you want to play to your base in both literally in terms of your electorate,

base, but also your metaphorical base of the people, who are the source of your cultural capital, of your prestige and much else. So the idea that this would become a kind of poisonous relationship seems overdetermined. Also the fact that actually, the bulk of the media from whence someone like Freeland came, would actually take just introduced side in this dispute also seems overdetermined. Now I think that actually trump trying to antagonize or eat, or trying to kind of like frame some kind of economic rivalry with Canada is not. It is true that Canada does, for example, protected dairy sector. This is in the grand scheme of things pretty trivial and also pretty central to the politics of the Liberal Party, because it so central to cut back right. So it's one of those, where you know, when you really understand the story, you know there's some places where he simply can push just as there are some places where you simply can push Americans and, generally speaking, I am very sympathetic to the

the view that I associate with Gregg, if he's expressed in the Wall Street Journal, bread sets or and others. This idea that Rob Afghan said is written about this for national review. If you're going to talk about trade policy What you want to do is actually build alliances among the countries that are more or less good actors against those that are bad actors. Now I think there are some subtleties here, there's some countries that- are our traditional allies that in some cases, are bad actors, but regardless that makes more sense than trumps you're, gonna shoot em up you don't let me be everyone's enemy kind of posture, but I do think it's really important understand that some of the more the top denunciations. This notion but Uncle a Merkel is the one who is trying to save the west rather than Angela Merkel is also caught in her own political loop. Justice Donald Trump is caught in a political loop. She is caught in this loop in which you are taking a step toward President tromp, it's good for you polity.

the. But then you can't break out of it, because at any moment, when you seem like your backing down, for example and Donald Trump says hey, I want absolute free trade. Among the G7 countries, I want to get rid of all non tariff barriers. Is that realistic? No? But you could build on that right, but instead of doing that, you can because it looks like relations, but then that's only seen this kind of critical model, least cynical perspective that is appropriate when looking at any world leader is only applied to Donald Trump, not apply to any one else and their domestic politics and how It is actually trapping then in this poisonous dynamic. So what you think about Michael now, I just thought ever a friend his trade expert, who really thinks the steel and alumina terrorist. Aren't that important and no one should be making a big deal of them, that the main event will be auto tariffs. If, if demonstration really goes there I think that is definitely right. I want to build on what right on said, which is that one of Donald Trump strength on the international stage is his willingness it like him

bandit just shifting directions and changing changing his of saying longing to be tough on you this week and the next week in winter proposed something that is like wild and beyond your dreams, and some in some cases as for Canada was an I mean that reed issue for the United States is really about. China mean that that that has to be the focus and trumpet away is almost. I can't tell if he's off, just off the ball, because he wants. China tell them with North Korea, peas, impressed with z in some way I mean hammering Trudeau on the dairy tariffs is actually kind of genius. If you just want to troll just in Trudeau, because dairy tariffs are major point of debate in Canada itself. It's like, why are working class people in Victoria Canada on the West Coast, paying twice as much for milk as people just across the border

and you know Bellingham Washington or something like that- it's ridiculous gasolene other pain for the freight to get it from Quebec. Right then buying it from Washington, or Wyoming so I kind of brilliant and admired him. Just as like a pure trolls, you know a trauma ship I've never heard troll his tomb and should have the right kind of Russia thing right. That's those pretty good showmanship as well yeah. It's it's good On the other hand, I do admire the way that, like you, know, Wilbur Ross other figures administration have like look to just make tiny adjustments to our trade relationship with Canada. This was all stuff that was kind of accepted as part of NAFTA. Ah, you know. An indifferent points, when the trade issue in Canada was much hotter right like there was much more canadian opposite two NAFTA and nineteen NAFTA Type agreement in the nineteen eighties, and so big

actions were made. Big consent were made with in Canada to cut backs interests, partly because of the threat of secession at the time. Meet people remember that Back was talking and voting on succeeding in eighteen. Eighty five, since this Real concern that those concerns have gone away in the last twenty twenty years, almost twenty five years, and so a little adjustments should be made, and I think Trudeau could the way to combat such Charlie has been throughout this whole discussion smile, going either. Sceptically or derisively saw someone somewhere between arising at that fact that this is this. Is it great conversation about, add anything and everything other than Donald Trump. I would, if I have brief adjusting to die like the man? I don't like Angela Merkel and I'm also open to the idea that there is some trade practices

the world that the United States should try to two squelch, I'm as such. If we had, president, who was willing to go into the g7 and make the sort of case as forcefully and eloquently ass. It was just made by by right hand ass. It was made by Michael Grey. but this is a guy who, firstly does not do that. He tweets angrily on his plane on the way home he's rude, he's personal he's all over the place, and secondly- and this really does matter in affected Areas- handsomely there you go again just obsessing on his tone, but this bit really does matter Donald Trump. doesn't know anything about trade, he's totally illiterate when it comes to trade, that isn't to say that he isn't backed by people who do know about trade over here. Brilliant in noticing that a lot of Americans are not happy with the trade status quo, but he doesn't know anything about it. He thinks

the money that we send over there in his way of seeing it is into the ocean that we get nothing back, he does not. the stand. What trade deficit means he thinks it is like a budget deficit, and that has huge implications. When he's a President the states and when he's picking these fight- and it also matters because these- patients ship moments, they transcend whatever the topic. Is anyone. Barack Obama moved the Churchill bust people set, my goodness that's terrible There are oldest ally and now- I hear defenses of him while underneath it there are some serious. There are some serious complaint. Yet there are, but it does matter when president moves again, and it matters a hell of a lot more. When the president's sits on air force, one and tweets rude things about the people, he's just had a meeting with and will have to have more meetings with, and I do take your point- I see just insured

Angela Merkel, as in some ways, part of an international hashtag resistance where they have their own incentives and they have to react to Trump, and they can't get There grew Vida, but it doesn't make it okay. We are talking about Trump hey, it will not. talking about. Someone really really smart writing in a really smart use paper, and I think we ought to remember that so Ryan really really quickly. Is there anything to be said for trumps view of the trade deficit, because Dirk scissors at I am sympathetic to his agenda. What ways trying to do with China, Costly makes the point you just obsessed with the trade deficit. Misunderstand it and its miss queuing him, because he you know he wants to have a trade war with Canada. Could he thinks? Could we have a try? if certain goods with Canada or Trade Worth Germany, because we have tried to Germany, where it, whereas none of these powers are are as mercantile US, China. Well so I mean there are two separate issues, one

is. The trade deficit should not be seen outside of the context. Bilateral trade deficit should be seen outside the context of overall surpluses and deficits. So, if you're looking at China, for example, its overall surpluses actually gone down quite a bit in a way that is ultimately pretty encouraging, it means that its having a more balanced trading relations with the wider world, it is consuming more. That is a very healthy and positive development. There aren't some other states in EAST Asia that are friendlier to us among other dimensions that are actually worse actors or have been more recently in terms of the extent of currency, manipulation and much else, China actually hasn't been engaging in kind of egregious currency manipulation etiquette of more recently, but on the other hand, there are other trade abuses visa. The veto can we do

this at length and other times he to intellectual property rights, kind of forcing technology transfer through various other me, and so I think that those who are legitimate issues- but you know that's not necessarily about the bilateral trade deficit. When we're looking at Canada, I mean Canada is exactly it's. The worst example of a country to go after biggest Canada is not one of these big surplus countries cannot as a country that encourages domestic consumption

this. Actually initiative- has very balanced economic relations. Overall, when I say that I don't know what you mean like you know, let's look to the bilateral trade deficits are surpluses, but in global terms you know they are not having this needs a more catalyst of ethics, they're not bringing back to the table, so I mean, I think, that you know you need to have some sort of more coherent strategy about what kind of global economy do we want to see what role do we want the United States to play in it and, in that sense, yeah, I'm in China. In that sense, you know in terms of the deficit, is getting somewhat better globally. On the other hand, they want to break the existing international trading system in ways that are going to advantage them and ban not advantageous for many of its trading partners. Of first and foremost, United States that their budgets subtleties here and you can't reduce it to something like a bilateral trade deficit

Ryan. Let me ask you, as ex question first cause: it's is particularly OPEC's. I think you're up. If you before, up to you to choose to enumerate your g, would you have a g six, a g, seven or g eight? I would have a g. Twenty rich, because this is a kind of a partly I'm, like defying the logic of your question, but also the global economy is different, looks different work,

differently. There are a lot of big emerging markets that are really important and I think, giving them a place. The table is incredibly valuable, but also from Donald Trump perspective. Having other countries that are not dominated by in these kind of western european traditional allies that have a certain sensibility that are very unified in their sensibilities, bringing in other states that, are you don't protective of their national sovereignty that have a different set of interests they want to bring to the table. That is more often take reflection of where power resides in the world today and its also just kind of familiar better from the perspective of a United States that it wants to be called but also does not necessarily want to be fettered by this. You know idiotic, Jean well done you ve blown the exit question. Otherwise, star stick with if Charley G, six, we shouldn't be part of the g7. You know these are these are euro? We need

We don't have interests with tee. Seven states close great g, eight Russia should be in there is well, I certainly don't want Russia had said she seven. I think I think the status quo is fine. Michael G, nine bring back Russia connive with a manual com, to liberate New France from Canada and neck. I sat Newfoundland and the naval no areas of Canada build a pipeline to equalize the price of natural gas between North America and Europe. A win win g, nine put new France in and well that you got your royal right that you have to write that before I move on to our next optic. Let's talk little bit about an hour, plus we like say, and our plus is a lot more than a digital subscription truly is when you come in, and our plus member you of course get unlimited access to the National you digital magazine. That means you done they wore when you want to read and are pieces under can

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went down and a primary on Tuesday, what he make of it, it seems like the result has been over interpreted. If you look at Sanford's political career, this is the first election is lost, but also he actually did not a win a resounding victory. In his last primary. He had a formidable primary challenger that time around. I personally have spoken to folks in his congressional district, probably for the better part of last year to go to that. Since he has been back in Congress, hoof floated,

You have challenging him a lot of gotta bright, talented people, and this was also it pre Trump. So I think the idea that hey this is someone who is defined entirely by his resistance to President Trump and now he's been defeated nets sign of how the parties changed. That seems pretty overblown to me more broadly Mark Sanford is a really interesting figure. He was the great hope to a certain stripe of kind of libertarian or paleo conservative in a back seat of ten plus years ago. I'm it is someone who is considered a very serious presidential contender MIKE knows much more about him. He spent some time with him years ago and I am eager to hear from him about this, and it's just also just more broadly inching to say that there is this political moment that may well past. So it's not so much about Trump

as this idea that a certain kind of a certain strand of libertarian thinking hasn't got away, certainly, but is certainly not in a sentence right now in the party, and I think that that's for me at least more the Tiggle struck by someone then they set a morning Joe and that they have primary unjust. Scarborough said you know, I could call me recently and say I know it's weird out there, Joe I'm going in town halls, I'm saying the exact same thing. I've said for twenty five years just not getting the same reaction just seems to me that part of the point I do think criticisms of trump played a role, and this is why every Republican there on a like a cat, a hot ten roof in any time her ass to criticise the present,

also, as rightly points out Michael, it's just that this, this particular kind of of republican politics, is its in retreat elite. At the moment, its inner treat Mean South Carolina is, it is an odd state, its color stronger kind of party culture in the Republican Party there and Mark Sandford was always someone who kind of held the Republican Party in South Carolina almost at arms distance in heat. He was someone who articulated conservative views. You know he was kind of like a or IRAN Paul type. Who was not like this. You know fuzzy professor type that run pause.

But more of like connected in finance connected in elite circles. Here he embarrassed people in a party with the fact that he was such a tightwad as far as the state budget made big deals about In not running the air conditioner in the governors House, when you know he didn't really had to, but at the same time into a wasted public money and public time and public interest pursuing an affair and night you'll, forgive me I just want to build on that point briefly, I mean my version of what you have just said: softer line is a state where the Republican Party is so dominant that all kinds of people of many different ideological stripes, including people who, like big state government. You don't want to pay teachers more. What have you they're Republicans, whereas in others it and he was a real idiot, logical, small government budget, cutting conservative and in a state where the Republicans have a lot of tribal support that wasn't always the boss, that's exactly right. It's also like boys,

in the cap at all. The republican Party has a lobby atmosphere as well, and he was just never a part of that. So there's there's been this kind of discontent with Sandford overtime. People knew you principal people, you know when he was in government in you is a principle voter, but there as there is almost like a personal chemistry problem even before Trump and wondering of your line of republican Party, doesn't want to do is get on the bad side of republican president. So Charlie, Another notable results from Tuesday was at court. Stuart trompe candidate in Virginia one, the Senate primary against him came there. I can beat him Cain and any circumstance, but though the worry is that this will it suits or the radioactive nature. Corey Stuart willed, suppress the vote further down the ballot make a tougher fur Publican House Candidates- and there are a number of endangered ones in Virginia

and I am open to South Carolina Party- maybe should be Trump here, but the Virginia Party has as a problem This is a state, this trending really blue and the sea. Time that's happening. The party seems to have collectively decided it needs to to be further right earliest. Much more closely aligned with Donald Trump than minor standing internal polish woman, high thirty's in Virginia yeah. It seems to me the Virginia republican Parties is committing suicide, it it's not as if the climate. good, for it has been trending away from Republicans fit for twenty five years and March. The weights Texas trend it away from from Democrats bought Virginians within their the republican primary process, need their heads looking out if they think this is the way to fix it. I cited dissent from your. I did this guy's a move to the right, he's that that's a big

Paid as to what constitutes be on the right, he is trompe he's also much more problematic, then Trump in some ways- and this is a guy who from Minnesota but for some reason, seems to have picked up the confederate like I, as a symbol of his he talks. He talks a lot about white identity. Politics is unfairly unpleasant ways. He has praised, Pool

Nelson and did so after it was obvious who pull now and was it arouses from the start and I'm trying to cut through a lot of the noise on this and and think about it in a way that is more constructive because the press loves these stories. Now, that's not to say the press invented this guy. Republicans Virginia did that, but the press likes these stories because it can then extrapolate out from a figure such as this one that all Republicans like him, that there is a real racism problem, that of your favor free market, That's what you really mean, and I think there is a problem in the Republican Party in some quarters. But what this says to me is that the GNP, and especially its primary voters, are still offering from a form of auto immune disease that started away.

I'll ago, but carried on through the trunk is and that have led to the nomination as such as remorse. There is, moreover, belief that if the press says this guy has problems, this guy has a racist. This guy has some unpleasant views that either. That must not be true all that it must be stated and therefore ignored. I think an awful lot of Republicans the sort of people who put Roy more in the position. I put a man who put this guy. Don't actually know that much about it. They just know that the right people hate him, but that's no way to run a party, in fact that that's a very, very bad way running a party I have some sympathy The instinct of you look what they did to Mitt Romney. I understand why people who don't follow politics, like we do would say well, hang on. If they said that guy was a racist Hitler, then everyone on our side must be, but this guy actually has problems. Roy more actually has problems. These are not the sort of,

but we should put in public life and yet, once again, a primary electorate has taken that as an endorsement of sorts and they ve. somebody who's not only going to lose, but he's going to hurt the party with other voters. other races within the state and possibly nationally as well, and I just think republican voters have to get over this. Absolutely just imagine. You're a down ballot Republican Europe Hold try to hold onto her how seed and just what is it going to do? It is going to eliminate people who are potentially persuade idle. I think it said as such, I would echo question to you and right hand to worry. There's embedded assumption in this question that you might want to tear apart lack answer comes around you, you don't really when I answer it so surely, cook rate the long term prospects of the Trump take over the GNP in terms of its electoral effects for the Republican Party zero.

Sugar hive unity that all never Billy crash along with Donald J Trump. Ten. The status quo is old and busted, and this is the only way ahead. The million dollar question I think it will crash because all moments do. I dont think, though- and this is a stand that the great hope of so many within the republican Party that it will then immediately bounce back to how it was before wound the call to present he ran from will disappear and many of the trompe elements will disappear. I'm one of the things we ve learned it. You can't be trompe sui generis, but Trump did notice, something about republican voters. That is real and that is not gonna go anywhere.

Even if, as a huge financial crash in a massive war that still not gonna go and who act as it is quite deep, so it's difficult, you have to split them up, I think is in our trip. Trumps moment will pass obviously or President's fail. Really trumps recognition is, is here to stay. Michael zero, I mean it's closer to zero. You know the parties barely exist anymore. There tribes in american life and then there's the president that bids to lead them and the character of the tribe seems very plastic. According leading them when, when you dont, have a presidential candidate, we don't have a president in office. Your party has a mental breakdown and we ve seen that in a week it indulges in conspiracy,

recent cetera, so I don't know I mean I think they'll just be a new phase, a new leader for the party and and it's the what we're talking about these races are the fact that an trumps presidency is all symptom of the fact that the party no law or selected candidates, which we are living in a much more pure democracy and its little sky. Sorry, sir, I noticed you making notes so do this. I hate spectacularly ninety one that I answer like a couple decimal points in this one Y gotta say: Charlie, really captured a lot of my thoughts about this. The way that I'll put it is this: if you had a republican candidate who took the position on immigration that is held by the vast majority of republican primary voters, step one and then second There was someone who said hey my position on trade that we should always do what is best for the United States and if, and I dont believe TAT, we ve been doing that and that will I mean tearing up the gills,

I've known moving in different, wretched someone who made a case for eight national interests, strategic policy on trade, but otherwise, basically it, oh god of you, no kind of reason. Charismatic iterative like someone like that Mitt Romney actually- of ran is that candidate, but he was also the guy who was the head of this major private equity machine. and it was also someone who didn't have something people could grab onto. He was a kind of scarcely flawless person that people had really tough time really do, and it is very easy to say that this is the guy who has the face of the kind of us knew you no kind of was responsible for you getting laid off from your job right. But if you had a candidate like that, that person would have robbed and would have won the twenty sixteen presidential election in as close as we come to these days in a landslide my sincere belief. So that's why I'm gonna say number three, because I believe that some of the things that Donald Trump appealed to four Michael's reasons, partly partly sets

tribal identity and affiliation, but partly it's actually just real policy that resonates with a big chunk of the debate, a real tragedy. That always got frozen out because of the money. Primary Donald Trump had been a basically free media coverage level. billions of dollars who is able to get around that their work candidates, who try in kind of got traction, were off broadly similar messages, but who can never get through the money primary. So, that's why I will say a three: it's not gonna be a trump culture personality, but the idea of it being a more nationalist party. I think that that is absolutely here to stay and being a more nationalist party does mean being a bit more flexible in terms of how you frame some of the economic policy questions in the foreign policy questions and much else that used to be seen as the kind of heart of the party for the first time are, alas, I may mark Salaam, might triangulation eyes questions, but I very often adopted on us as well I'll go a little bit higher afore, but

the kind of middling answer. The downside is your dredging up. People like Christine an elevated them, which is a very bad thing. The parties kind of seeming to lose. Any anti bodies to resist just wherever trump. What's to take it. So all of a sudden work, you don't keep young unpeopled, because trumps trumps and enthusiasm form at the moment. That's a very bad thing, but on the other hand, the orthodoxy did need to change republican voters want to hear something different than what Mark Sanford for for all. His courage, in principle, has been signed them for for twenty years. So that's that's the upside of the letter. So, let's hit few, the things before we go. Michael, you had been listening to a pod cast murderer at Mother Mountain yeah, so I promoted this pipe casters forelock history podcast. This is a particular episode of the irish history, pod gas. It's about an ax murder that happened just before the great famine and the kind of the effects this hand

As you know, it's tied to like late mediaeval traditions of pattern days in Ireland, but the story as told by the This takes. You all the way to the indeed land and beyond, and of a beautiful portrait of nineteenth century history really really really well told they'll be link its beautiful saran. You have been reading the dawn of Eurasia. This is the perfect book to be reading right now, and particularly over the last couple of weeks, with the edge Seven flap and much else Bruno Matthias was Portugal's Europe Minister, some years ago and he's just written this really fascinating book about the blurring boundaries between Europe and Asia, and, more broadly about the world's changing geopolitics and it's a book that actually has a lot of insight for Americans in thinking about why we have these tensions within the West, and much else in this idea that we think of ourselves as the idealists on the world stage, but we're

Chile now living in a world in which we have more clashing incipient, universalism, more clashing idealism and they darted states is more becoming this realist offshore island that has to kind of operate effectively in this eurasian world. It is honestly one of the best not fiction so retinal while my copy of it is incredibly dog yard and underlined, and I really really recommended charlie- you been watching You too, gentle that old music parks, the ass his coat defunct I am somewhat over rather fish in order, and it's not just me, those hundred and fifty thousand people who-

subscribe to this child. So there are a lot of widows out that its very very well done it. It doesn't just goes rolled amusement park rights, but also old, amusement parks gives you a lot of the history of the cultural context of what is, I think, one of the great american institutions, Sir. I'm sure ninety percent of all this, and as a thinking But if you do like I'm using talk to, you might actually find this compelling. So I've been thinking a lot about the Stanley CUP Cuz, the Washington capitals on it, and it's that the greatest if ye and sports no other sports to people in a baseball fans, dont chapter in the World series we want the commissioner's trophy, but added a fast. We want the cup and is not really. Your joy is not complete until he, you see your champions hoisting us thing on the ice in just the these sheared just jubilation of Alex Vetch. Getting handed this thing finally and getting around

with it and kissing it and handing it off to his teammates was just amazing to watch and that the celebration for him didn't and when one of them for these over the last weeks and since caps one just seeing all these very video clips and in photos of events can doing all these things with the cop. I first of all that ninety just walking through the energy, grand lobbied, Carryings tearfully cup, going to a knife and unease boring champagne into the cup and they're all drinking the champagne, the cup and then at the nationals game they take the cup they're they're doing keg stands with the cup and actually a photo of out of action sleeping in bed with it with the Stanley come cells as well, are and where were Alex were very appreciative. You brought us to the promised land will never forget it, and please enjoy every single moment with that. cup, russian pollution here so cipher are editors, picks micro entities What's your pic others, peace on the web

by the amazing was Murray about the way people highrise dictators. It's called dictator, lit it's very relevant right now. Read it ran. Was you pick a really terrific young journalist, Alexander and, as everyone has written, a wonderful piece for us in the forthcoming issue on Berkeley? California, it is a pragmatic, tough minded liberals take on how that cities, politics have changed over time and how they ve grown. Pretty toxic Charley was your pic Classic Kevin Williamson peace from last weekend, making the is that things really are simple to fix and if you ve heard that if we only just did there, so we only just did that everything will be fine.

she's, wrong. Kevin uses of three or four examples to make his case, and I admire it, the writing of it so much because it is it is it a case that needs to be made its also quite dry in some ways, but somehow Kevin makes it so difficult put down the fervent playful reading. It is such a such a compelling writer on throughout the see him back pixels. My pick is the cover peace the last issue, which is a peace by Alexander Solzhenitsyn. First time is appeared in English and his peace. He wrote really shortly after his famous Harvard speech about the reaction, and just in anything by cells nation you want to read, but what am I can take a ways is that those of us on the right of hated the mainstream media for a very long time Oh, that's it for us, even listening to an ash review, podcast any real broadcast returns.

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