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If you're stuck on a proverbial desert island- and you had to choose to subsist on just one traditional american food, would it be cheeseburgers, fried chicken or rips It's like choosing how to die that things will kill you in sufficient quantity? Listened America's. Hamburger is the most iconic food, but if Farm America's genius for food is for transforming food from elsewhere, and so we get the american style Pizza and I think the best of all texts MAX breakfast is the best american food and I would subsist on that forever. If I could tax MAX breakfast, that's it that's a good choice. You like that breakfast talkers in Texas,

the french Fried Chicken she's burmese ribs. Well, I mean the obvious answer to me as cheeseburgers, but if you're gonna go well with what is the true great american food. It is got to be in this to be very specific, rich, the Mcdonald's french fry. It is the perfect fry and it is conquered the is commercially conquered the world. We don't, we don't actually conquer the world in Amerika, we commercially conquer the world and the Mcdonald's fry has done it so even with are you think in all school friar Eve, even the froze to death, or even the price today, amendment Mcdonalds evolutionary fry is still. There is still the quintessential fry and if you talk to other fastfood executives They will tell you of the deck As for the Holy GRAIL matching the Mcdonald's fry, and nobody has done so. What

fries? I really like cut a shoestring style, fries, warlike, Mcdonald's, they're they're, just narrow enough, but unlike thick french fries, I think they they just stir. They know they measure up. For me. Now I hear you at the thick fry, that's a home fry, that's that's fried potato, but the french fry is, you know it's the closer to the shoe string. In its I mean, I mean if you look up fringe fry in, dictionary it should have a picture of the Mcdonald's fry so that the one potato product I think is under appreciated in this country is the tailor tot because of assassination with cafeteria food, which in general, is not very good, but I think, tat or touch. B is ubiquitous as french rise in this country, but that's just me, Charlie. Your choice: French, fried chicken, cheeseburgers ribs, no one

spoken up for the humble onion ring to the great alternative. I think cheese bag. Is this the right answer? But if I'm gone off the Rich Lowry Menu? I would put a word in for lobster rolls. Which you can get up in New England. I went and I ain't smile after all, they like just with butter, but a classic. Just hot butter freshly could lobster soft role. The smell of the ocean doesn't really work without the setting. Did you have this setting, it is spectacular. American tradition it's not versatile in the way that a cheeseburger, as I remember when I was a university, I for some reason, was put on the floor with a bunch of american students who are visiting for the year, and I asked him what they miss the most and all of them said that within two

days of getting back to America having been in England for two three months. They have to go and have a cheeseburger. That was what they missed. Most of all. yeah. I think that the answer clearly a cheeseburger and it has to be american cheese Charlie next question to you, your favorite american sport is baseball football. The x ray aims, american Ninja Warrior or some other obscure, very dull, overrated game choke his facebook baseball is, is the perfect its visually appealing the tension. up in a way that is almost musical. It has no clock which I like and because it has no clock, you can win a game without

having led in that game, but you can be in the last pitch of the game and when it and and as a result is quite difficult to turn off. Even if your team is being crush, envy needs baseball. baseball, Sir David French, again baseball football, Ex Games, American injure warrior or some other obscure, very dull, and over it again I watch football. It's definitely football. I mean look baseball, basketball, definite american sports, but you can go to Tokyo and watch baseball, at a very high level. You can go to Madrid and much basketball at a very high level, but football. Here's one, place to find that independent, the pinnacle of it, the apex of it. The mountain top of it is right where I live, the south eastern com,

it and so yeah, it's not just football, its college football, and it is the quintessential american Sport, David, I'm sure, does try to troll you into categories the NBA is obscure. Very don't overrated faded inform. Now I was going to do it and now they question was the great a mere it specifically american sport- and you know at college football, its. Oh, it's replicated. Nowhere else I just want to join in with David S, easy chauvinism,. As he says, a great conference, there is no doubt about it, but I am obviously with Charlie. I think the correct answer is baseball, so David French, the greatest America, and natural wander in your mind is the Grand Canyon, the Grand Canyon, the Grand Canyon, Grand Canyon or for us on account of reason, some other natural feature in this country,

so I'm gonna go with some other enemy and specify El Capitan, and I am deeply influenced by just watch two documentaries climbing it the dawn wall and free so long, and does it without thought any here support yes, a free sellers, the guy who does it with no ropes or anything and on Wallace the guy who does it. He does it with ropes, but only with his. He has ropes to catch him if and when he falls, but he only does it hands and feet as well and I'm in spinning, like I've, been obsessed with those two documentaries. Making, and it's made me it's incredible want to go back or to see it again, and it's it's just a an incredible physical, the fat incredible part of american geography chunk of it is the growing can

the Grand Canyon is the least disappointing thing. You will never see ass. I like Of those damned by faint praise, english phrases, no, it is the least pointing thing I've been six seven, maybe eight times we have family friends in Phoenix as a kid rude visit often, and we would go up to the Grand Canyon we drive up I've seen in the summer, I've seen it covered in snow. I've seen it when it's been raining so hard that we had to shelter in the car. It is just extraordinary, and one of the things about the Grand Canyon is that you cannot replicated in any meaningful way. You can't take a picture the does it justice. You can't take a film of it, even if you put it on an, I am axe screen. You put it in three days. Thirty five trillion called it doesn't work. You have to

oh and see it, and when you do see it, even if you ve been before its startle sea like I cannot imagine what it must have been like when explorers came west and hit upon that other than my god. How again get around that But it is, it is breathtaking, and I've never heard anyone say I went to the door in. Kenya was all right. Yes to behold, the guy is something else anybody I mean. What are you the Grand Canyon, putting words for others? The Mississippi River is life blood for the centre, the nation in its history and and helped out there

several of the central part of our nation overrated. Fine, oh that's funny! I better call re, read the Mighty Mississippi and its tributaries, but for a personal spot me. Nothing is better than Moosehead Lake in Mean that one, the biggest legs on the eastern half of the United States, the best way to see it is in Jack's air service, such as upon tune plain that you can rent, but it stopped he retired, two or three years ago, but going up in Jack's pontoon plain seeing a tour of Moosehead Lake, it has enormous, seem Mount Qatar in the background and then dipping down to see moose in their native habitat. Just perfect. Sarah a lot of experience of Mississippi, but we had a crews on the Mississippi one year. and I just really struck me as as being treated in a name. The big money

slow, really brown and muddy without a lot of tree branches and stuff floating down. Obviously great american feature, but I dont think any can match the Grand Canyon, and I urge people if this there in a visiting net national parks to save the Grand Canyon for last, because their lot, a wonderful things specially out west, bright, Bryson, Zion but they'll all be diminished unless you, but you saved Grand Canyon for last so that the same way, the French to our next question. What is your favorite region of the continental states Northeast Midwest, the South, California, the southwest or the Pacific Northwest. I mean you know they answer this. It's the south I can't say anything else born in Alabama lived in Louisiana, brought up internecine contact

he currently live in Tennessee. I have voted with my feet resoundingly its ab. The south, the runner up, though the Pacific Northwest. I was just up there and its chest Can you say it's it? Everyone knows it's beautiful, and yet it still underrated in its natural beauty. It's it's just such an incredibly beautiful part of the country. It's got a great climate, I mean, if you like, colder climates. which I at went. Sometimes you get tired of the heat in the south, but I it's gotta, be the self jacket to California. California has everything you can stay in California, consent on the beach in California, stuff to beat the area around big. Sir Monterrey, Pacific Grove, San Francisco, a great city drive across the bridge in your and Marine County,

enough: Napa Valiant Sonoma at the top of the state, the trees, so green bottom part of the state, in God does it feels like a western and then the metal, the bread basket of North America extraordinary extraordinary place, the most beautiful place at American Embassy took up a place in the country I haven't yet seen. But for me the the place that most captured my imagination when I was in it, was the black hills in South Dakota just the the the kind of mysterious history behind the need of special early of native Americans. That's not as well documented as as the sutler history and and subsequent history, the United States,

I don't know just something about those landscapes really captured me and I felt bad that we put up that idiotic, sculpture, male Rushmore nearby, So, as a practical matter, my favorite region, that country is New York City, let's be honest, but to the West, California, South West, just the vastness of the others, the spaces in the Pacific North That's just the latian, especially when the naming water. when you, when you're thereon on the coast or in some of the islands, the San Juan Islands, it's really hard to beat that as well to Charlie Cook.

Question to you who, in your mind, is the greatest advocate of freedom in american history, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, Abraham, Lincoln, Frederick Douglass, Martin Luther King or lay muffler Lincoln, because he had some of Jefferson's Meehan. He had, he believed himself. A supervisor has so brilliantly written to be the heir to the found is to be found his son. He was deeply deeply upset that Jefferson's rhetoric, the declaration of independence was being taken as sir as untrue us as glittering generality, but he also applied to slaves, which deficit did not Hamilton, didn't have that poetry and defending

freedom and what it was a great man. They didn't have Jefferson's poetry, but Jefferson was a hypocrite and he knew he was a hypocrite. Lincoln was not and Lincoln helped to incorporate the american ideal within America because he didn't to fully nobody. Could it wouldn't be done for a long long time? Arguably has never been finished, but Abraham Lincoln, I think, was the greatest champion of freedom, because he took the ideas that the founders had put out there and he said we cannot live up to these until we get rid of this monstrous institution which he did and the deep cheese hard to pick any one else. But Lincoln. I would say a few words on behalf of Frederick Douglass, though some Frederick Douglass is addresses on the fourth of July and

elsewhere, some most moving documents our country has produced in one man knock your socks off and dumb. You know, I am also a little partial to him also because he also touched on me The irish sight of me that feeds any was a big fan of Daniel O Connell in and studied the oratory of Ireland's great liberator and brought it home here and yet so Douglas to be a kind of deputize to Lincoln. In Maya my view, I think that this beyond the currency. Just has a currency. Look and there's a book came out while go about her eyes when most photographed people of the nineteenth century and he never took a bad picture extremely strict than men fabric. Oh, look, David, French,

I can't improve on now Charlie's answer about Lincoln, and I'm going to also echo invidious and a definite honourable mentioned here as Douglas and not in his fourth of July. Dresses is unbelievably powerful, but also relevant, very relevant to our current, times in our arguments that we have about freeze each in the role of free speech in in its impact, on marginalized communities, Frederick Drug Douglas delivered one the great orations in favour of free speech and United States history, its I'd I would urge people to google it find it read it and absorb it. It's it's just brilliant. I can't improve on anything that anyone has said, and I endorse every single one of my colleagues sentiments some and be date next question. To you your mind, the best american or

Asian and history, Lincoln's Gettysburg Address Lincoln Second inaugural Brien's, cross of gold. Fdi hours this day live an infant J K, which is to go to the Moon M, O K March on Washington Reagan, D Day or Luneburg Yankee Stadium, Farewell Lincoln, second inaugural there's, something to be said for this new new birth of freedom that he he called for The average absolutely second inaugural the the deplore the second inaugural, like talking about thee, The providence of God, the role of both sides and praying the same guide, and you know these lie

and each evokes his aid against the other, the prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully and it. It invokes this the incredible weight of the sand, every on the United States of America and the incredible weight of judge that has resulted, and it's just so powerful yeah. I can agree with anybody Jacob Martin Luther King March on Washington, it's a little unfair because we have a recording of that. The delivery is so so moving and so so dramatic that the man had a wonderful voice it. It's not just the writing, which is remarkable, but it's the way was delivered. There are few performances as operatic

ass? His I dont know a lincoln sounded, like I'm told he was high pitched. So maybe if I had a recording that I'd still be with I'm ok, but I do have a recording of him. Ok, giving that speeches. Everyone else does is available on the internet for free and I defy you not to be moved. It is yes being high. Pitched was advantage for them because it is easier for crowds to hear me is also that of a nervous speaker would take em a while to to. warm up, but I'm going to say the gettysburg address, which is just as amazing, secular poem that packs so much in two so few words and poorly those kind of close call whether link was, can make it to the event at it took like you had to for five times in Paris, trains to actually get there and if he had delayed as departure a little bit which she he was considering, he might not have made it to them

commemoration, Sir David French greatest demur. In battle in your mind, ET in New Orleans Gettysburg Midway D, day in China or something else. You know, I'm gonna actually say midway, One of the really interesting. In a way. We look back at World WAR two and we often wrongly presume that the result was inevitable America was so powerful that are occurring. He had so much late and strength to it, in spite of the great depression that. when united with the the great powers that this was. This was all in, as this was just an inevitability, and yet we forget in One thousand nine hundred and forty two and one thousand nine hundred and forty three sings word I very much doubt and in the battle of MID midway, that gone the other way had the

happening swept the seas of american carriers. We, there were Hawaii would have been essentially defenceless. The West Coast would have been at risk there would have been some american They would have swung the war, but it came. At an incredibly crucial time in the history of the Pacific WAR, and it was It was a battle fought frankly against great odds. The japanese fleet at that time was far more powerful than the american Fleet and fought with inferior equipment. where used the american military being that the best equipped in the world with the best fighter aircraft, the best ships argue. At that time. The japanese Navy outclassed much the american Navy and quality japanese planes, outclassed american planes and quality, particularly in the fighters, and Yet we didn't just prevail. We smashed the japanese offensive.

Things were never the same again for the Japanese. After that, so I think that that is under a priest. and there's gonna, be a feature film coming in November about the battle of way, and I can't wait to see that joy cook it's hard for me not to say the day I was born in England happened just across the channel liberated Europe and was a joint mission with the English. I should say the british illustration to cope with the british and the that the scale of the UN taking that was a little different than the others and that everyone involved knew what they were about. To try to do is never been tried before Churchill believed that he was sending everyone to die and he still went with it I think that that is a defining moment, not just in in that war, but probably in our culture. Now, that's that's. The one

go to. Even though there have been many other great battles. That's the one we say look at those men and what they were prepared to do on the beaches of Normandy and the deep. I'm gonna to something really iconoclastic and say that I am subsequent historians have looked back and shown that the where marked did a lot better per man on D day than are our men did, which is a shame, but that's my just my excuse for picking the battle of New Orleans and and be contrary. This is an underrated moment. American history, obviously that their their issues about the truce being called before it. But this is the last time that America had to truly

feet unimportant imperial foreign power in the american continent and sets forth our freedom. I mean, after that you have Taylor at Monterrey and others, kind of opening up more to the West Coast, defeating Mexico, but nor lions and seeing off the British really for the the final indecisive time was essential. I beseech friend ten and he obviously acted discount first scale where I think you'd have to go with the midway or today is David and Charlie dead. But the revolutionary that kind, an army was hanging by a thread, and this is an extremely odd. I dashes

bodacious, move by George Washington could have gone wrong. It any number of junctures instead was an credible victory that a turned around our fortunes in the revolutionary war. Charlie cook. your favorite patriotic song, star, spangled banner Godless America battle him of their public Amerika, the beautiful God bless the USA. born in the USA, truck yeah by timid, draw its America, the beautiful, but it's one version of this Rachel causes version of it. I'm many huge Rachel's fan I've everything he ever recorded, something

there's something special about RE, Charles, especially when he sings american classics. His version of old man River is something else and effective. You listen on very good headphones to Rachel, singing old man river in think the left channel you hear the producer giving him the next line. The first word of the next likes cause. He couldn't say he didn't have them in front of him for his his America, the beautiful it starts off. With this tiny scenario, playing it cause. I military patented. It sounds as if its badly recorded, but I think it was done deliberately to evoke that spirit, and then the voice comes in. Has this language way of playing the piano underneath it? So it's that song, but that version, especially in the deep. New Mccoy taken me, my ass now, just getting the greatest

song with a melody you get things is the battle him of the republic, but I want to put interest any word for a composition will unfortunately, with origins in a phrase by Henry Wallace Bud fanfare for the common man by Aaron Copeland. It's beautiful piece, orchestra, music people, remember it from saving private Ryan she's very effectively in that movie, but it's been used of effectively and in lots of films and end presidential stagecraft, and it's kind of a beautiful spare, spartan and solemn. tribute to the american people, their french, so I'm gonna, ECHO will embody on battle him of their public and then I'm gonna go really counter intuitive. This song, I loved this song and then the internet was invaded and I realized it had some sort of protest, history or whatever, but

Years and years ago I got the Breeze Springsteen Box set like it. This thing came out too such promotion at the height of the of breezes powers. just records, and it had this land is your land on it. He had a rendition of it and I loved it. I loved. I thought it was fantastic, Then, in a later I learned I waited with all of this political baggage, but at night, things will change the fact that when I was a high school kid I that Song Library, Springsteen and thought it was just fantastic in it. but it goes to show how sometimes you just yet want to learn all the histories about things, in all the controversies, but I just the idler I loved that version. It was fantastic yet little bit, like the other, since I imagine, born the USA, which sounds like it's. It's really takes rethought egg

I actually get down. The lyrics is a bit of a protest on itself. For me, it's not, close called battle him. The republic I wouldn't have played at every single Sarah an event in America. If my wife would have had it, I would have played at our wedding. I just think it's incredibly stirring and moving and never, rose old Andy in your mind, the best american novelists TWAIN, Melville, Hemingway Faulkner, Oconnor, Updike, someone else, none of the above, actually, the greatest Merk Nautilus is Edith. Wharton, authorise of the age of innocence. The house of murder and many other novels. I think her most underrated one is called Twilight sleep which is better than Fitzgerald attempt at getting at the age of jazz and America's phony

prosperous elite toilet sleep is as relevant today as it was when it was published, Edith, Wharton, towers above mall in my book chuck. I think his mark TWAIN french since George. Are our Martin refuses to finish the song about us, I'm gonna have to go with Mark TWAIN, it clearly. Mark TWAIN. Hug Van is the great american novel. He had captured the american vernacular captured such important and deep issues about the nature of this country and conflicting values, and did it with the with such a humor and and stuff

oh, it's Mark TWAIN, Dave Wretch. In your view, the greatest american building is Independence Hall, the US capital, the White House, the empire, state, building, Grand Central Fenway Park or Trump Tower fantastic I gotta say Empire state building, there's something about it. I come to New York, which I think is the greatest city in the world. flying in and in there's something about the way. It's its location there and sort of the lower Midtown Area it still stands out so much. It's got that classic amiss. I can look and now it's gotta be the state building choker independence I think this is the level in May, as I love grand Central, although I love the Greek inspired architecture in Washington DC its

regal- and there is some thing republican with a small and humble about the colonial architecture in Philadelphia independence horse is an exponents of that it. It should be America's building. How much did it paying you to include Fenway Park in that This group us gonna, go with Wrigley, as can put Wrigley animals like small. My I've never been offend wave myself, because, just as the occasion there promote self plus the red Sox play there, but I think is probably the best is probably the best american popper immediate. I have the same problem,

We have which is surprising in myself as then I would say in Washington, DC of the the great buildings. I think the library of Congress both feet when you count the interior of the building is just astonishing. Ah, but I'm gonna say I'm gonna go to church. I think the cathedral basilica the sacred heart in New York. New Jersey is America's most beautiful church, its french gothic, Revival Church, and it is astonishing. There are there, some other great churches, historic ones. I think the key draw in New Orleans where sack retailer appeared after At all, events, Monterrey and Jackson also

pure thereafter New Orleans to be faded is, is a runner up, but the sacred heart major in New York is just gorgeous actually x. I left off let my choices which Chrysler Building, which Empire state building is great. I think Chrysler Building is much more beautiful, obviously classic they are deck us but still has has something of the future about it totally agree its hotel. A great call, I dont, know why it is that the empire state building is so fated when the cries. The voting is just a few blocks of airspace because its taller yeah the empire state building, I think, compare the crisis. Little did something. What applauding about here in the comparison redeeming demons wrong. I think the best cities in America are the undestroyed southern cities Savannah in Charleston. Did there the the pinnacle of

american civilization, is hard town anode, traditional city Building Charleston was guided, Charleston aid, they just rebuilt it well. Well, but the they rebuilt today, as as it was in New York, is kind of always being rebuilt for efficiency and commerce by dead. Charleston grant quote unaware this powerful, but nuclear, great city. If ever finish it yeah, but you know innocence like Charleston built for civilization, with a dark side, but it's a civilizations City New York is a stock. Jobbers city said Charlie Ex question to you in your mind, who is the best american musical performer eclipsing, even

the Beatles I sought guide higher drivers when I reject the premise of the question and moved out every year than he can learn. Louis Armstrong, Elvis James Brown, Kate Smith, Springsteen Prints, beyond say, tell her swift I meant to choose to artists, who recorded a lot together, Louis Armstrong and out of its Gerald when those to put together on verve records magic resulted. Louis Armstrong, obviously, is not a singer of the same talent, and these are not the same. Formal talent, ass out of its general. who, just as a vice like honey, but together they work. So well with a U S, and then, of course, the We Armstrong playing is trumpets in the instrumental breaks together. Those two took the cake and media

I'm a double answer: the most important american musical figure bar none not known even close, is Duke Ellington, who is the central figure in America's biggest contribution to music worldwide jazz. He is the author of over a thousand jazz compositions, the closest in number of jobs, positions and the person why things the greatest performer and embodies the tradition at its brain highest, most beautiful height, is the loneliest monk flee, Bebop, as pianist, who you know if, if the American, if jazz, represents the american genius for improvisation, slowness monk took it to Lena levels. Like you know, his name should be breathed along with Einstein and and other geniuses of the modern era.

The French, you know, I'm I'm gonna clause. I point on this because I'm really not a music expert, there's really only a couple of things. I know for sure one is the Beatles or overrated and that the issue here is where the arguments thoughts on this episode of Man, the other one, is that that Dolly Parton is one greatest living Americans. She not only gave us great songs, childhood literacy, an incredible rollercoaster, so who else has done that time, bottomed out with rain against his friend? I do I do like David, I'm not much of a musical guy, I'm I'm no extra but I think it, sir, what I love most easily Armstrong, actually Charlie, helped helped get me into Louis Armstrong by giving me a cd or a while ago, right, Charlie,

of of Elfish Gerald and Louis Armstrong and adjust its lovely stuff so envy the final question to you. The best days of America are behind us now ahead of us. While I am a conservative and I'll, be, and because I'm, the only conservative on the pied cast under the conservative answer there behind us right. I mean this is like the concern answer would would would almost always be that the best days are behind us and let me move off the jocular tone. I actually do fear for the future of our country. There is much to lament in America's passed much to celebrate, but I worry that there's been a kind of fundamental breakdown. in our civilization, that is reflected in low birth rates, increasing deaths of despair more recently and

yeah, I'm worried a great nation cannot exist if it's not tie perpetuating itself into the future gave drench. I'm read like anybody, I'm not willing to say definitively behind us, but I would say that we are at greater risk of that and I would say the first I'm in my life tat. I thought that was potentially the case. So for many of the same reasons that indeed he said. Do you agree that in its internal right I mean I'd, actually don't Al Qaeda lean external foe. Actually, I think, China's a serious competitor, potentially long term, although I think it could fall over on its on its side as it does every five hundred years, but between its entirely internal as as Europe's aggregate has been internal. I grew that I think that the the

back of sort of an external unifying forces ripped the scab offer some enduring and persistent divisions in the country? We have not figured out I knew how to deal with that and when you buying Creasy, centralized government with an increasingly diverse country along, not just race grounds, but also religious grounds, ideological grounds, cultural grounds that those two These are fundamentally incompatible with each other in intention with each other, and we have a way through it

not so certain it will take it China good. I think the answer is all of them. I think some of our best days behind us and will return. I think for a lot of people now is probably the best time in history, and I think certain areas of our life will improve. I find it difficult to too narrow it down in such a complicated questions. I outsail all of them, I think, almost pretty good answer. I tilt the towards behind us just cause. I worry like Michael and David, but a couple things and the lack of national self confidence. It's hard to imagine someone summoning the nation in a way J F K did with. If we choose to go the moon speech and project, you have this ongoing social breakdown. We seem less couple decades, also you're the capacity for social

renewal and in certain respects, certainly with the declining crime which, as has been amazing and some some other things And I just worry about that: the hollowing out of our our institutions in the possibility, Michael's as you were, about of some some really serious political upheaval, just not extreme ideological conflict and partisanship, but something that breaks r r system. But I think we too Charlie's point though we should put on rose colored glasses about are our past. lot of great things this country is accomplished. Obviously, but there's no time when has been perfect, we tend to look back at the Post World war. Two era, net Twentyth century America's, the golden age? What a wonderful things about that time But is reminded with it the Biden A controversy a week ago. You know, as of the I need and eightys you had no kidding

aggregation serving in the, United States, Senate and Congress, and that that was a country that tolerated grievous injustices as we had throughout our histories. I think it is always going to be a bit of a mixed bag. but I worry I worry, and on that monetary note I think we have to end. That's it for us. You been listening to a national view. Podcasting Iraq, we broadcast regions your game without the express written permission of nationalism. Magazine a strictly prohibited. This podcast has been produced by the incomparable Sarah Shitty, who makes a sound better than we deserve. Thank you David. Thank you, Charlie

Thank you, Michael thanks to everyone for listening and thank you. America, happy birthday.