This is the Garret V audio experience. Gary what's happening. Man welcome to the entity now podcast. I finally made it that's right! That's right here to jump right hand. Man, I know, like you, VE, always been big on finding underpriced attention and if these are necessarily like a platform per se, but they do represent a new way to grow, engage in reward community curious. How do you creators and brands can take advantage of the under price attention within and of teeth to drive growth, by doing the blueprint, and obviously you know this- you were in the underbelly and you've gone on now to do it extremely well, it's the same game. If you believe that a thing is, out there that allows you to tell your message. If people don't see it, you have to become deeply educated and understand it You have to be good at doing it right

I'll, give you a historical reference. The religious institutions in the world where the first movers on the printing press to this day, we are a religious based world because they underpriced armed print right. like the television, completely changed the geopolitical world right Like Ronald Reagan was the media company out of the White House, it changed people's perceptions, and then the internet came along and all sorts of new stuff started happening because of that and then obviously in the last decade, a layer called social media, we're all connected and then whatever layer whenever platform, in that way or was popping, became the arbitrage dean Cook was selling out stadiums because he armed Myspace right, like you know,

Ashton. Kutcher became a much bigger, icon and kind of converted from that silly dude on that sitcom the kind of like a force because he armed Twitter Dj Khaled had a onto your music rear in any way, ray job, but he was in the middle and it became a superstar, cosy or Snapchat right, Charlie Demille. I went from being a teenager in. in a room in Connecticut to being you know, a highly paid personality. Is she armed Tik, Tok And then a drilling and things that happened, whether was Youtube or Twitter Facebook, or Micro moments, low Paul armed mine. So, even though mine was a nine month, Arbitrage Logan then King Batch today- are meaning cool personalities, making you know pact or financial rewards or whatever they're up to.

on his way to being a major Hollywood famous actor, Logan being a pop culture. Kind of voice like this is real stuff. You know so You know, MR beast. In nineteen. Eighty six is probably in a lower level. Hollywood job, hoping to make it one day versus won't biggest stars in the world, see just Orban, Bernard Bernard and you John F Kennedy doesn't win the election. If there's not a television, because he got still debate by Nixon on radio. These are the Oracle truths. There's a reason when there's a coup d'etat. in a country that, at the same time, they go after the palace and go after the president thing. Equally at the same time. The army goes after the radio and television station. How things are communicated art how they are I have to talk about the last ten years of politics. Right I think everyone's in that cocoon and These are now a version of

and I'll. Tell you why I'm going to say something that I think has real It crystallized for me that I think matters I believe that humans communicate more buy the things they buy. then by the words they say. That's always been looking at the store always been the case there aren't going along with that logo on your hat right now. Is you communicating me where communicating SAM's chain, like we're communicating that signal signal wearing purple. Finally, they wore purple writhing when worlds you were an and it's always mattered. It's always matter chiefs with you know paint from berries on her face to me. Walking down the street and seeing somebody have a jets hat on Feeling connected to them the same way that somebody would walk by somebody with a cross or star of David and feeling I genuinely know what, when people

like our very deeply religious and nice, and I know them and they give love to somebody like who's the same religion, doing a a social communication through which a chain or a yarmulke or whatever it might be. I I've always. connected to that, it's literally just truth. It's literally the way I feel about the jets I genuinely am in an airport and see somebody walking by with a jets hat, and I feel related. it's tribalism humanity and we have been communicating through the things we buy forever. Nobody look at social media why I was so strong in my social media careers. I've always understand always understood and executed on these human troops. So when I I stood was. people want to communicate- and this was scaled communication- I'm going to show you a picture of me at Disneyworld communicating photos of brought them back and showed all your neighbors We do the that- we now have been if he is worth scaled matters, because

humans to say to other humans. Look at me. Look at much happier. I am looking how more successful I am the new it. Is it It's just the way. It is right Look at the things I'm interested in. If you want to go on a more noble version of it,. That's why logos like the Bmw, the Mercedes and Ferrari Matter why people buy burka bags. why people buy limited edition, sneakers We now have the consumer blockchain, where it takes all of these energies and takes them at scale, is fast. and here's my favorite part everyone's, like this is the most funny thing about new technologies when When I came along- and I told everybody- I sell wine on the internet Every argument that was made was actually made in internet people? Don't understand it.

Get yoga. Gary people gotta buy wine on the internet. Why would they do that? And then I would say to them the slowly twenty two year old me. I would say to them. Why wouldn't guy like. Why would I go to the store for thirty minutes? Wait in line for four back home and drink. My wine like when I this order in the more like what he took a Nathan. Well, it will take a full day and I knew that ninety nine percent of shit you don't meet today. you don't need the cereal right. This fucking, second, like you, could I didn't come tomorrow like and then that's better than going to shop right when everyone's like this is so Well, you can just right click and save it, and then I own it I'm like ironically That's the argument for the blockchain If we take a photo outside, hot nightclub next to an expensive car and try to make pretend it's yours. people. Do it all the time you can borrow your friends. Watch put it on, take a photo and make pretend it's yours, people do it all the time people paint companies

For the setting of a private plane for the photo to flex on the gram, what's it. The way the world is now is actually fake watching is not world of women. A puppet off right now I can tell you everybody who owns the fifty nine goddesses. There, you can right click it and we, like you, got the goddess of like. Actually you don't that's this person's while it so what everyone's making that that's! What's so funny about big technologies, they fuck what people so much that there are some. Who point of view is actually the argument for the reverse. the reverse is happening, the blockchain is actually going to help. You know who does own this shit, because you can, making shit your whole life, you been buying picture, you can I am fixing these you can. Your friends Harpers happened, that people went the right cars for the photo like what the fuck are. We talk

at the world Games you're going to trigger a lot of people that you're going to be great you're, going to be a lot of going to trigger a lot of people, because I want to help them because of their trigger right now be like YO. Wait a minute, that's correct! Because of easy and lazy without any homework. To be like this two bit, I'm in a right click, the J Peg and now I got it. What they don't understand. These things just have become their mothers and fathers. From thirty years ago, the ship, the kids, made fun of their parents for not putting a credit, it into a computer? using a beeper instead of a Iphone all the shit that these twelve twenty thirty forty year olds that are fighting if ts made their parents, for they don't realize they've become their fucking. Parents will carry it's been a what crazy week in the NFC markets, we saw G project, crypto skulls, popping off topping open sea volume, and they setting off sort of a bull run on historical and if these projects- and I know you ve, been a big proponent of Oracle enough to for awhile and what's your thesis,

historical and of tears and how do you assess which projects are gonna hold value, so I have been mass upon them, as you know, like I think, people Ask me recently, what's my favorite and of keen on be friends and I throw them off, it's my complete plasma bears made by x copy. We love It was a crazy because I got there cause. Then it's cool it's going to shop, but what a lot of people don't know is that x copy the fucking guy the Banksy of the space. He means three of the bears. That's what I've and I've got complete ones and like literally there like I'm like this is the one thing I've got that could go seven figures, aid figures for real if this is really Jackson, Pollock and Andy. Warhol time like this should be like I can be really doing the recall clip of this show right now in thirty years and like Christy's, ninety one million like big you get that crazy. So I would like it so I love story cures.

there's more pfp projects that were dropped today today today fancy pants, flamingos fucking, yes about! You, know hippos right, like fucking. You know like Joe RAF gang society. There was more of those drop today. Then there were full projects done from twenty seventeen to twenty nineteen. I think ninety nine percent of the ship that's out now dies. I did the one percent becomes the Amazon in the e me a world of women or whoever maybe none of those three and I'm pretty confident. But you know, like you know, but there'll be ten fifteen twenty projects, France forms the hearing that under cats and my little pony, just like any eighties cartoons, popped off big brands theirs. when he right now of these body, hundreds. I've hundred thousand projects that are going to be fucking bananas, pun intended four punks big shot out, I mean for AIDS, then there's so that's that so there's a twentieth

projects to one in twenty twenty two inches me: twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two projects, there's too thirty of us that are going to build the transformers the he man the my little pony, then there's I don't know how many, because not every project that historic is going to go, but absolutely. like I would much rather buy moon cats oh strikers or something like that, Any new meant with juice, invisible, visible hope. It's phenomenal It's hottest shit and everyone's waiting, but like. I really do think like. If you asked me put me in the corner push comes to shove. What sitting? what's really popping off in twenty thirty, when this is really happening. I'm buying a lot of Oji projects, which is why I bought schools at four o'clock in the morning, which is why I bought plasma bears why about punks why? I have a lot of that kind of art. Crypto? Are they like why I have that stuff, some of that,

That's gonna? Really really I mean Crypto Strikers- is the first sport, the theory and project and there's a fuckin messy and were now go in there, No, no, I'm those that ILO right now, who might be those best football player in the world right now. I like there's a guy like that project crazy slept on the first floor, the theory em. You know project from work. cop that your Mombasa Bazin there that's the rookie cards, guys wild, everything I'm buying right now, I'm buying for my belief that it means something when the whole shit hits the fan basically right now, I'm trying to buy as many Amazon and Ebay Internet stock projects any in ninety nine I knew the internet was going, be everything I have money, so I bought like very few box, but I bought Amazon and Ebay. Because I knew them, and then when it should it, the fan I had some united, like ten fifteen Kay I didn't buy them on the floor. buy them when everything got wrecked March, two thousand and nine by them

six, seven dollars, two dollars a share: and by new knew them and with was lesson so right now, I'm sitting and I'm like man whenever, left, he went to comes I'm going to buy If I'm going to know a lot and like do, I believe in cool cats- do I believe in Crete or Danica. I believe in creatures, hours, are happening right now, love it. So that should like point like I'm talking to, if a winter there may not be winter, but if there is an actual coast I think it's like one point: five, the floor right now. That shit goes to point o five or point seven, because if there's a winter dish, it's all going low, it's gonna, be my amendment to strike It will be right. Next to the row, will be right. Next to Gary will be like yeah that'd be that'd, be cool. You know. What's so funny, and I mean this- I, like a lot of people say that it's hard to buy when you ninety nine percent of your worth. In reality they all sweep to Gary. My like cool you better. Have? U S

because I wait am winter means all your entity is lost. Ninety five percent and you're either shit so where we at so like a lot there's a lot of strategy. Excuse me up little because strategy needed right now, and I hope he in don't spend money you can't afford to lose totally. No, the ninety two. Ninety nine percent are vulnerable. Like that's right, you know, like Thy Zion, Williamson rookie cards were very valuable. Twenty four months He got her and, like that's the risk of investing in its cards right so like there's a lot to think about going ty, but it's a fun fun time. One hundred percent- well, let's, let's, let's talk a little about your collection for a second and how many crypto punched you one now How many pounds do I do I own? on the same mount I haven't sold any. So what is mine. My number sick cause, I one I bought a hologram. I think I'm at Six I mean it's on. Let just find for you. This

so fine, it's like all our distract unaware. Next gonna go Latin Americans. I think sixty. They think sixty two nights round number here. That's all I'm asking this question very, like beer on the punks, yeah how early what's the dollar cost average cause? I know you spend a couple of mil on some. You dropped as you've. You've drop some Significa. wait on them, but you have also been part. We ve heard through the Great bind that you you like to call people like for you and your guys, punks. We ve heard about the story of the vital. I regret that this on this whole Logan, like obviously this gotten some juice, oh by the way. I also my Instagram stories seven hours later and told all my community should buy these things. To talk to me, you went when did you first get into procope on site? Was it before them the later assembler? of January, and I bought like if you look at my what I try further to my Gary view, but I I think it was a failure.

I'll look right now February fourteenth or something like that. So we see this my ape yeah. So there's my arm. I've said by the way send so by click. If I click my first one, I think this is the model, for you know, out of ten thousand sixties, a modest number January. Thirty! First, damn I like it. well, I know to gay, and I think one thing that's interesting. Is you really look into two thousand and twenty two, so much of the mainstream markets? Understanding is based on. What's been, this big break out vertical inactive, tease being digital collectibles php projects. But We, as we all know this, would be deeply penetrating all sorts, Different industries and elements of consumer culture Every set at twenty twenty was defy summer, twenty twenty one was Jay Peg summer. What do you think two honey to shaping up to be twenty. Did you summer

I never do well with guessing. You know this. Am I always say that I liked? I don't predict. I just you know I just quickly and then right it, but if I had to guess I would say twenty, you summer is photography summer. let's go How many here was the whole photography by letter, because you I say like what would I do not want to talk about so like how many entities and the one I want to talk of here and not very. I have two twin flames from Justin. And I have a project that I've been looking at- excuse me very carefully that I'm about it really going on, but I started by photography and years. Why? same reason why one of one art is more limited, The back of my shelf in my office has been consistent, the last seven years since we moved the Hudson yards right like Everybody knows this would fall.

a documentary life? I am a co pop culture, collector sports cars com toy sneak right, so p of peace. Speak way more to me. I own, no art I own, I actually have one. I've been Andy Warhol. You know what does think Polaroid of Kareem Abdul Jabbar right like, but I'm I, like actual instincts, don't go towards actual art and photography. They went its punks right, they went towards building be Brent. What's wild is the reverse. I can't leave how much I want to buy physical art right now. and if such me in reverse, I can't believe that I looked at some photography the other day at the airport stopped at my tracks and like these cool, and then I like just get moving them. Then, like an hour later, my mother fucker, the reason you did that because I've been looking at photography at the end of t brought like. So it's real.

It calls so that the answer is. I bought flames because I think just one reason: it was really the guy for this. But I've got several things that I'm looking at that, I think, are a really interesting and it's a big commitment of mine that, in the net sixty days, I'm going to start getting a little more serious about photography, you'll be friends, blown up creators and brands, begin releasing sort of these community utility entities. How do you sort of balance desire to create value for your regional holders while stone like keeping it accessible for new fans by balancing it? This is the best part blockchain it fully suffocate any. I can't wait for shipping the fan and all the big just say things like we're, we're sorry the markets down, I'm like really because you can do any did you save money when you were making all sorts of money or did the founders all go by private planes, like I'm oh Gary be, for you know how it is right. Terribly maiden,

the false and hot guess that I just did. The title says how Gary be made. Ninety million and in the bank is only get it make ninety million, unlike its at the time of the clip that went viral be friends had done: ninety million in commerce. I did fifty million on the original mint and then, forty in secondary. Then I got ten percent, I'm so that fifty four, oh by the way I'm here Stop already- and God, the amounts of money are going to Minnesota for vehicle, one right and and oh by the way, the most important part I'm putting where's the in the bank, so that when and if TAT winter comes, I can deploy that. U S tea, to take care of the people that only one yogurt Let's talk about that. Let's talk about that because, like so many different people right now a lot of foma around, like you know, securing the bag ride like there's a lot of people like pumping and coming back and hoping for the next big when how important is it as a disciplined investor to secure the valiant, actually bring the metaphor?

switches into the real world. It depends on what you want to happen. Like really I'd pay. keep my money either salon or something else. To be frank, I just care about my reputation over everything- and I know if shit hits the fan that I'll need. U S, t good shit for my token holders, because I can utility on top of it forever I have friends that really know me really know me Add some really interesting combos with me. They were like why like causing ownership web three and a lot of them like will vary infused. Why I went so out front on something so bottle there like you, ve cope, debated and been silk left hundreds of millions of dollars on the table to not like built your reputation over the money and now you're doing this, and they think this is high risk and I'm like it's the reverse. This is the brain fuck that nobody sees the reason.

when so out front is there's no risk for me on it, The friends went from forty thousand floor to one hundred bucks I can tomorrow, when you utility, on top of the one holder, the block- In a loud me, tat, noble mobility- I was more vulnerable on people buying. My sneakers case was collaboration and trying to with them on Ebay than I am with be friends, because I'm accountable to my audience so the answer to the he's like: what's your strategy, are you on ain't on and like gonna like just disappear off the face of the earth that, through its all bad and like sorry, like sorry them If didn't do well for you, or you out front like I am, and I'm going to go forever and like like one of the reasons I did become I'll. Give you an one of the reasons I did Vicon for three years was. It was my gut feeling that things were how to explode, and that would be at least twelve to eighteen months and then I then I don't really know cause. I don't I'm like

we do this for three years, just in case it should its opinion. After your three and its like right, I could, just decide to add three more years of beacon to the original token, which the Dieses, the losses I could don't have to I'm definitely not obligated. And especially now right, like all these people paid two thousand dollars for these things. Like there's a little bit one of the fears. I have is there's a complete lack, accountability by the communities of these projects so you're going If you go to a project right now that mental point o seven got as high as or and lets say is at one point three. If you're going to discord right now? All sitting on the founders the new drop. Any possible unlike fuck, you want you sell for. and oh by the way. Seven the entitlement upholders eminently.

about the community? It's about the commission's? No, it's not like it's a rebel where ninety percent of people here are strictly here too fucking me short term day trading money. This is why internet stocks died. There traders sitting at their computer in ninety nine, didn't care about the company? They were just looking for arbitrage. You think people here. Ninety I'm watching these. I read these discords for four hours a day anonymously. These people are here short term financial thing and try to act like the gear we tell about communities. We tell you about the nineteen! Ninety! You know nineteen nineties bulls fans community in Chicago, we what they did. They showed up every fucking night and went crazy loved life and they wore the number twenty three jerseys. People where the border police and everything was fucking amazing animals, it's. Ok, they all disappeared this year, Bro. I know I know I'm really haven't seen. Em

accuracy and I'm sure you know the sand, like all of a sudden, seems like there's more bulls, hats and more bull, hoodies ninety nine percent of people that tweet out and discord it's all about this community is about this communal, completely full of shit. It's code, for let's keep pumping this for myself interest from my. The term financial wants from the end doesn't percent does at present I mean it is interesting and I'm excited to see how this involves a little bit, because now fans actually do have sense of ownership and connection to the different brands and creators they support, so could be interesting to see how that that true sense of communal ownership, I can tell you how it plays out. You have a lot of people who buy the stock and unbiased Tesla own, Coca COLA Stock and drink Coke not Pepsi Understand, though, is or betting on the ceo, not betting, on the collect like everyone's like it's us and I'm like it's, not

for sure it just a thought, I mean now look giving rights boring world women announced today. It's gonna be amazing to watch this above all right. I'm so fascinated to learn, and I think that's a great way to go about it and it would be a lot of projects where it's not there and the founder she or he is going to be the buck the by now. Primary rationale to why something successful or not totally totally, love that too I think too. I just kind of want to speak to his, like the a lot of who aren't him, are intimidated and how to really engage in the space under the creator on the brand side and the the collector side. Focusing on that, the creators and brands for a SEC there's really become this kind of starter kit of sorts for decentralized web. Three pack right, you have the end, if tease social Hence in does so I'm curious from your purse active, all other the different tools that are growing at people's disposal. How do you feel

brand should evaluate which models to leverage as they venture into web three models and abroad. and creators I have a very big problem. Ninety nine percent of them. Only have their own financial self interest in mind. So I think the first thing they need to do is go to the temple. Of giving a fuck about the consumer really do anything they need to understand. This is not marketing anymore. It's is not a brand deal anymore. It's not selling a hoodie anymore. This is big stakes, big I'll, big boy, shit. That's is what I thought we've been building for and waiting for. Just didn't know it was going to come, who's going to be, but here we are like let there be no confusion. you people think I did a good job with web two there in the previous any confusion it hasn't even started. I am same. You know this is what's so cool about me being on the show you you just have a better peek into this, I'm a fifty One forty nine dude I

I what to get with forty nine cents out of the dollar and I'm going to put fifty fucking sense into the other person. Employee, fucking fan right, the problem is ninety. Nine percent of creators are zero. One hundred people, it's not going to work. At a few lamp, My advice first go to Temple of giving a fuck about your audience, and nobody's there. No. Is there. What does that look like in practice in practice, it means when you make your fucking project everyone, I've talked to seven hundred trillion people in the last year. Every c m o for the seven cmos of of some companies, the last twenty four hours and I've spoke to six people. tend to forty million followers on our platform. Tik Tok or Youtube literally last call it a week every one of them all of them. Ninety nine point: nine percent of the energy of the first fifteen minutes is how

maximize the money I get in right away. a peep of a If somebody buys this fucking virtual tea cup, the fuck's going happen to them after a piece, seven hundred bucks for it in two years. every brand is now in the Hess truck Starbucks Mugs business, but they don't realize it right like like people just confused and also with happening and they got away with short term behavior and web too, and they're gonna get for in web three cause. It's fucking documented in perpetuity the reality, is like it's all documented. Like you again, seven people. I relate with two or three people. I really like and respect. Our community were like YO fucking Gary me because it was like miscommunication somebody. You know everyone headline reads: write like Gary be pump and run like totally like that, but unlike sports cards, which really took a lot of you said to me SAM, you were there when I was starting to talk about an How enthusiastically was when people just

picking up shit for their narrative. We've got pain in their own hearts and they're just trying to tear me down because they're not in a happy place and making up stuff that, just isn't true his pump and Durant all six hundred my twenty rookie cards into my fucking house right now, right like, but I don't have to, is easy for me to show you that I could show you the invoice that I bought the six hundred from but you could say I doctored it. I entire for and this. Why made both by count public Gary Brands and unity? I'm like I want none of the I listen, I'm gonna Eve. I'm scared shitless. I bought one little and of tea today because it just call my eye and literally when I hit like to I swear to God. What went through my mind is like a man, I hope not because I literally was a sad. You know why, because I know there's people watching my wallet and I'm like. I hope this thing doesn't run like I M, like somebody's like guarantee.

in between to buy something a new tweet. It fucking goes like mother Fucker, it's the block chain, yeah I'll, be there in perpetuity am I thought I was a ninety nine percent of projects. The work aren't gonna work. I've said Please don't buy like me, I'm buying for three to seven years, you're buying for day trading, unlike what What for me what for me? They could see it's a public, fucking wallet. What do you want? No you mean want me to tweet here's my favorite part, while booking of course carry me sit here. His fuckin community, as if my community wasn't earned through blood, sweat and tears for the last fifteen years of working by pace of replying to millions of people on DM and comments, never trying to do wrong by my community only trying to be a man of my word and stand up always thinking about them always giving will any expectation of asking, as the community I fucking earned for last fifteen fucking years for fifteen hours a day is thing that I should, but is fair, why don't you build one?

I community mother Fucker MIC drop right? There I mean as really oh but unfair to meet people folk and worked out here. the fuck. You think you just a community, the things going on in here the spoken fucking grey hairs? Bitch is a fuckin, fifteen years of fuckin, go and hard, and now the compromising my word and being like fucking, that guy and doing the right things behind the scenes in front of like the fuck. It is going on here. One hundred I will leave, runs Domini and oh by the way on the record. So I can recall this clip one day: it's going to be the fucking project, not a single one I'm building Fucking Disney, bring your fucking faces. God. I love it oh seriously, though, I'm just so confused like whoa. Of course, I'm like mother Fucker, I'm building this community when you were fucking

I mean your dad's lucky, like a community, no shit, I built, I earned it going to talk about that. these people that are sad, that I have a community and then you know only I do research or years of me. I can look Opponents shilling ship doing things I people that they do micro level, I'm like yeah. Of course, they're not going to have a community penguin face forty seven yeah. It's because you fucking are trying to make two hundred dollars in profit without any worry about anybody else. In the next twenty four hours, you're not going to wind penguin face forty seven yo. I have a community cause you're about you. I have one of the biggest communities that fuckin matter does our about them. I can. Get my forty nine cents. This fifty one, forty nine! When I'm long gone, you don't have Moby Dick. Real big after the author died. I know in my soul that all my

It's is be when I'm in the fucking ground getting eaten by you no fucking worms. my healers amongst others, there's mushrooms now, there's motions about Montgomery, good, I'm I'm a mouth about like people, neither stand man like fuck, like like This is about giving more than taking being talented enough to know what you do with your smaller percentage total that you want to might drop, that get more than you. Fucking get I didn't know what to do with what you get. That's what I'm fucking, trying to be the best in the world at and I'm fucking feeling decent at forty six. and at sixty four, when I click the numbers I'll be a fuckin bigger, batter, better kinder leaner fuckin, adder machine that I love it. I love it and speaking of your community and and how and giving back to them utilities, just at the core of what you're doing like you do and you just launched fly fish

you, you got some big things planned for be friends tussle, but about just just like you know how you think, about utility for our community and where I think, I'm doing more utility than anybody like Fuckin beacon, came out with a three year ticket different utility and in all the layers like face time, boxed brunch bears a did that fuckin fly fish First, you know restaurant like it's taking the old country club model and so House and zero Bonn Club and making it an asset. So we're going. Work our faces off to make it the hottest place in New York. People going to be when they're done coming. Thirteen times sell it and turn into an asset instead of real in their dues in case they go like it's. This is what's amazing about the blockchain you're fucking aligned stand euro wind, but most fuck it up, because you didn't do it all about themselves when you're aligned, I'm aligned to make fly fish club with Roddy and Capon and Connor the hottest fucking best private club restaurant in the world? You know why, because people can still

I keep wanting to come in and say we're going to train those things I wanted to make a royalty were aligned right. Look what I did with book games, people, physical book. I love people trying to football games. They know you don't run him up. I put out a hunt. twenty five thousand tokens on layer to that is what point one six: Will right now the twenty five thousand on Fuckin immutable way or to that's only sullen token troll. Love and penalty more fucking, confused, Mary yeah, oh and ending up with books? It's actually like one of the areas that we've talked about as a potential and you know kind of a sleeper category people aren't thinking about as much is the potential for literary NFC is, unlike the intersection of course, yeah what an axe. What am I thoughts on that? You think I did this book games everyone's like all fucking Gary B. Did it to be a new one? times best selling author, but a programme. Five times already totally But do you understand the economics? A book publishing deals?

more money on Roy. I make more money on royalties in the first twenty four hours on token trove immutable. didn't buy book deal of selling all those put people don't know what the fuck there talking about like youth, bookings to be numb up to be a fucking on the New York Times bestseller list. I did a one hundred fucking times I did. I did it. I want to envy physical goods sold because a bit value of the Nfp. I learned, fucking subscriptions of empathy wine. I would sell right now if it got dropped with an empathy elephant NFT so we think we did a good job, any officer in Mean John and eight back then, three years ago we did a great job. We sold that company consolation tons of money You can't even imagine IRAN. We want to think what I could do with that. I needed to learn. You know what else I wanted to do. I wanted to stabbed myself in literary and I've, tease, guess what I was done. My book contract but now I'm a free agent, now Harper Collins and a big fuckin problem. If they

at one of their best authors, they're gonna have to give me such an up front deal to buy me out of doing it myself. Many people confused out here The confused I'm seriously, not fucking around and I put in the work, SAM, tell him how much I work, how I really do it? What how many set Our ever fucking spared talons this package, we regarded at night night thirteen, I'm not on ads in I'm talkin about you watch the day in and day out, like tell em tone tell the audience like, I'm not watching Youtube videos to run and gun environment and made environment a maiden quick briefing demonstrates the pointer for without it, but as always, good vibes but never yelling at anybody or trying to bring value or trying to set up all four champion, my home go on to do their own things. The play my all, I feel for sand shit. Someone using caution, you understand, how do we have the contrary,

you know. We are requesting that very visit. This, it's rare, go! Let's talk about this hustle culture around was hot, the son of all that warrant, but saga did it at an all, but have you have you have you ever read crush it. nah, I haven't read crosses, but let me tell you how important somebody wrote a medium article about me, then, at thirty seven things that were false in it it became the poster child of something I never preached. Let's talk about it. plus, I don't even know what the book was or the article was talk about it. What was the things that you just called hustle porn and put my face on it and how the fuck do you think I got tagged with this bullshit I have talked about, in what you do in what should I talk about big sixty seven thousand a year talk about honey work, nine to five, I'm sorry, my hobby is my job. I enjoy it a lot, but like talking about military, our joint hundreds? No, no! No! No! It's very important, because I've been I'm all about mental health, to which a huge thing for me, happiness is a huge thing for me. Why

it asked me why I'm saying that ninety to ninety nine percent of all projects are going to fail everyday, won't. Ask me why just to make sure people get taken care of there were. Let me give you a different answer, because when it happens, if I can stop one kid from this day when the shit hits the fan and they've been mexican, all their friends, you fucking are stupid, I can do about enough to usual. Listen to me dog, I put in Fucking eight hundred. It's now worth seven thousand. This pony you're fucking slipping away. A spy all these kids are talking the friends that are not on and when the shit hits the fan, they're going to have all that heat back at them and most kids aren't going to have the stomach to deal with it, and some kids are going to be so weak stomach that they're going batteries there's a reason, was reduced, jump out the fucking window. I'm very worried out here alley. So yeah go ahead. What do you do? What do you do cause of so many people look to you so many kids right, the upcoming generation like I grew up watching you do like that's the reality and that dessert that that's awesome, that mad respect for you, but like what,

some things that you do personally for your own mental health that you take care of our. I know you're up at three, I'm you're talking you're talking about, and I am only up at three p m in these hot moments. What do I do from another number, one, first and foremost, there's nothing even close. My perspective is so on point. I don't give a fuck about business. Let's like let's be very focused on this. I Don't care about the money I care about if my parents and my family are healthy and really everything else is super duper stupor duper secondary, and I mean it most people won't believe it, because they don't because ninety nine percent of people don't know me. The reason I keep saying SAM tell him is SAM got to see closer than you guys got to see it. we're closer than anybody. Who's listening got to see it but SAM's not as close as Lou and Alex my admins. They get to see a better they've, seen real shit right Then I have my actual friends that my actual family, I'm sure

out here, my high energy, that has people thinking I'm doing Ritalin and also I laugh when I don't I've, never even smoked a cigarette people like to use kinds of crap like I'm just happy what happiness is called being content. So couple things one perspective: it's all gratitude I am grateful for everything I have, starting with the help, like here about, after that, its approach is a goal. it'd be grateful for all the richest. What about the talk to anybody. The new me eighty, twenty five, when there is nothing like this on the same dude same guy, I was pump them it's the best, Then I'm happy for the chance to play number two. I sleep ninety percent of the time, seventy eight hours a night, we're ones like this guy like it drives me crazy. You know I put out content. You know this samite that you, that is before your time when I had area having ten in the old office on scary v show like like made a point

like I'm telling you guys, I'm very productive when I'm awake back to the point. What I said about SAM, when I'm awake and on the field unproductive as fuck. You can sleep one hour day, use such shit, the other twenty three hours, you're awake, you lost, so I sleep a lot, but most of all, I'm just content. Grateful like and- and I think, there's another big thing- I know who I am and what my values are like who I am I able to deal with other people's judgment. The reason Can you imagine like me, like the reason me is cause I'm cable eating being fond of being all things that are not true false accusation. Accusations have to be able to have the stomach, for that you know, can take the punch Nor ship life like can you take the punch? Most people can't take the punch in them, and so than they shouldn't play. That game like I can't take the physical punch and about which is why I'm not a mixed Marshall artist, but when it comes,

the fucking being an entrepreneur and being out there is a personality, there's nobody, take a bigger punch. I love a man. So that alley right, like you, gotta know who you are. If you know that you're in secure, if you're in secure, don't please It's out there right away, build build some security into your bones, because if you put it Out you're, insecure you're gonna, be Fretting about everything in the problem. Is people love when they're called the goat people when your cod super hot. but what about when they don't call you to go or when you're sixty? And I don't call you hot anymore. If you get too high on the accolades, you become vulnerable for the controlling the heat, the rings I can deal with people shitting on me is because they tell me I'm the best. I don't hear it, I'm grateful. I'm appreciative, it's kind, I'm thankful, it's beautiful, I'm so humbled by it. But I don't think I'm great and when you don't think you're

that then then you're also not vulnerable. When they tell you your shit, so except that my mental health is on point because, I don't get too high or too low and too many people we, the rack, leads. when they're on the way up, which means they're dead, when you're sitting on them? You decide this whole. it feels good. It reminds me of the the Ruder Kipling poem and I feel like as I dunno if you've read that poem know that I'm going to send it to business. Like that, poem really speaks to everything that you just said: Prescribed, appreciated It's really. Humility is the only thing that makes me palpable. cause, I'm so much conviction and falcon competitiveness. I have so much Dixon and competitiveness. I thank my since the day every day, I'm a man it didn't also give me that humility in a big way Impossible, because the conviction and confidence

and competitiveness is so high by the way. That's why that's why I'm empathetic I've got so much of that that you catch me in the right. He catch me at the right moment. Even if one whole long interview, you might be like fuck this guy, because if you're not in a good place and your scenes but he come on that's in a good place and bring in it. It's it's not comfortable. I want to say this one thing. A lot of people like influencers influencers influencers everybody if pay attention, there's a group of influencers, because they're influential out there that that is their core occupation, there's another group of people that are influential that are also operators. And if you really really get good at dissecting, and I look at it everyday Sean In his little time machine thing I gotta go, look at gotta buy more. I just watched. From Snapchat to today, operate build

hundreds and hundreds of people organization in Utah you SAM a lot of people that left the Gary World to go to like, but I just knew from day one because I watch right, like mine points came from my operating. I built businesses, long time before, I even made one video. I was thirty four. When I made my first business deal out already built it look for operators; they will help you time out time out. This is SAM one. To give you a quick heads up that this pod cast was actually recorded over the course of two conversations sets a rap for power. One hope you ve been enjoying it the dive into part, two, the foundation of a lot of your career, his eyes, being at the forefront of identifying and executing upon underpriced attention. So I know, and if these are necessarily a kind of a platform per se, but they do They presented new way to grow, engage and reward community. Something from your perspective, how can creators and brands take advantage of the under price detention?

opportunity that there is then a right now by executing a program. I mean to your point, Obviously you ve been in the vain or land and some other people that don't know that terminology awaiting I'm very sorry thing. I've ever done you mail a website in ninety six, new tube, no sex or my investing thesis, Ghana. When Paul, Charlie, Demaio people that I interacted with years before I mean last night at nine, thirty right Kim Suzie, like an an emerging fashion designer that I'm just like she's going to be humongous in four years, and you know I really think about things from the term of underpriced attention

It was like real estate. Can you buy property? You know Daniel report up all of Detroit for nothing because he saw a decade. It could be something that's kind of how I think about attention. I think, with web three and of t land clearly that balls and that same nieces, but I think creators imbrians the best we can do it is actually making a project, because projects are far more financially successful right now, then they're going to be in the future for them for the for the middle and long term, because of how much supplying the man will play out and you'll have to be remarkable, to have a forty million dollar and of t drop in six years. You have to be remarkable to have it, three four: five million dollar and of t drop in three for five years, but today a lot of average projects are doing that easily, and so, if your creator, Brian, that is wrong,

I believe the best way, because the only other way to kind of get involved is to for a creator and brand for a creator is to be a human being that invests in projects and that's very high risk and for a brand you know, really. You can do marketing wait marketing behaviour around that, but I don't think you're gonna get as much our. Why, as you, would, if you did your own project and so to me it's actually executing a project now makes sense. If we look at the end of two markets, are one of the interesting trends of this year has been kind of this renaissance, with historical and of teeth and others that Oji Project Crypto schools that had a big moment and sort of lead to a ball run in the space? I know Europe, your big on historical.

If is what's your thesis there, and how do you assess which projects are going to hold value? I believe everything pre twenty nine tune needs to be looked at ten thousand times harder than everything post, twenty twenty and not because that means just because it's old, it's a good project, but my intuition and my collecting history of the last thirty years tells me that most projects in back have twenty twenty and all twenty twenty one were in reaction to what happened in the first half twenty twenty, which is like oh shit. This is happening right and I think we have the all in the empty space. Give a ton of credit be a top shot, because even going into you know, I'm sorry, I'm thinking twenty twenty. I forgot it.

twenty two to reset those numbers. Twenty twenty back half was really MB a Topshop twenty twenty one q one was when the Chicago went down and most of the projects in late in second half two thousand and twenty one and all of two thousand and twenty two are predominantly reactions to what happened with backup, twenty twenty top shot kind of that. But it's scary to say: oh gee, QR. I'm twenty twenty one, but that's how fast this is all moving. I mean I got in in January kind of seriously and the community was microscopic in the scheme of things. What that we length myself to believing Matt is the following that in two thousand and twenty seven in two thousand and thirty two

who, in twenty forty nine when people really looking at it strictly from art and collect ability, because obviously NF teams are going to be so much more on the utility side, then collect the ability and side. But when people look back, I do think no different than now Matt you and a bunch of other nerds me included, get really excited about finding something, even if it's main coin stuff, even if it's Bitcoin stuff, even if it's very like uncovering earlier theory and stuff, there's always just an adrenaline rush, something cooler about old. I always look up on Ebay old shit right, like like an old Valentine's day card is fifteen dollars. Why? Just because it's old! That's! Why now it's not five million dollars, but it's fifteen dollars, and so the reason I get excited about Oji projects is, I feel safer with my money in them. I think it's more likely that plasma bears that

curio cards that skulls will do well. Crypto strikers will do well comparison to ninety nine percent of the projects that come out now now the projects that come out now the best operators are going to build monsters like that will be monsters, but I think it's a safer overall bed. I don't think a lot of people realise that the twenty twenty two back have twenty twenty one and, if projects that, when I see are going to see row its number they're gonna go to zero zero zero like out of business. The way of a stock goes to zero and is like d listed from the stock exchange. I mean new minted in four six hundred bucks and in three years it's six dollars right, like what I let you sports car terms or comic book terms or toys, terms or sneakers terms. A comment.

A common aka. Nobody really wants this random spider means legit, but nobody really want spider man, three teen if it's just a normal spiderman from ninety ninety six, with nothing going on, and that's how I look at most twenty twenty two projects outside the operators that know exactly what they're doing and actually get demand, because it's all building demand old quorum, quote pre twenty nineteen projects back there I made sure we'll have a little bit of demand causing they're just older. That's how humans collect that's been paid, For one hundred years, and that's why I like the old stuff above it, and I know I mean in the spread of others, stuff mean you have sixty crypto punks. A guy I know a lot of them are like seven figure, crypto punks, and I mean that talking like tens of millions of dollars worth of crypto bunks. Can you just like how much Have you spent on entities how's it kind of appreciated when it comes to your own experiences, a collector. This is

well fun because you know me well enough to know the answer is I'm not sure I really haven't I'm really not sure this is where I'm a little loose. My financial advisers and everybody get really upset about this, but it's the truth I mean. Obviously I know I spent a million dollars on that first bag of like forty or fifty quota. I remember that very vividly, but you know I'm a very heavy purple hats, I liked them, and- and when was that that was in February or March right exactly February or March about a year ago, and I might even be a year ago today. I have to go look on February, twenty. Fourth, for some reason really to my head. So maybe tomorrow, but then then, through the fund that me and my brother AJ, have we. We made a very big purchase of an ape later in the last year and I bought a zombie actually bought a zombie in March or April. I think that was like six hundred, but that was after be friends because I got a little bit of beneath bag, so be friends with me.

So probably in June I bought a zombie and maybe in July or August, I bought an ape. The the zombie, I think, was eight hundred thousand six. Eighty two eight sixty or maybe my dyslexic and I'm not sure exactly there, but listen. I spent a lot of you. No, I dont really well like a minted. My world of women Jimmy formality, forty two in a cup other people, because I thought that was right when be friends are having If did me apes on the midday six, seven of those characters I spent a good bag on the x copy plasma, bear complete pleasant, we're ex copies, which I think are just bananas that normal truly my favorite. I have some you know, but like I get you know if I had to S brother one take a fund out with the three million dollar eight, because that you have a piece of that. You know. Maybe

five were you know like real numbers, and you know from an appreciation standpoint. You know whether it's twenty or thirty forty right now it's really kind of irrelevant. Like our ten night goddesses. You know that I bought for one or two east were three max. You know those things seemed to be building real momentum, like I'm going to do extremely well, but I'm also in the mindset of like if world of women doesn't execute properly over the next five years, they'll be way less valuable than they are right now. So I'm not really big. On counting my chickens, I'm also incredibly non transactional. I rarely almost

never that's been the big blessing by the way, the fact that people can see all the transparency it's my I knew this was why I was going to love web three and it's shaping up like people can't make the claims sports cards really hurt. My feelings, I was doing all the right things. Bringing so much done all the right things and people are like. Oh he's, pumping up players and selling them just lies not true and I've loved. That in every hubbub of personalities, doing wrong or right or indifferent, like all the data is on the blockchain, and you know I mean I think I've sold point one, a one percent of the entities I've ever owned by accident. You know like for the most part and so I'm not counting my chickens. I could end up in seven years being in a loss, but I'm just so long and enough and and like really believe

I'd. Rather like seven of my ten biggest holdings like entre monkeys, I meant it for free. There pretty solid right now I can get ten thousand bucks. A piece are probably have ten or twenty of them. That's why? That's big money right like Delusional, even though I done well in my career, made forty fifty sixty thousand a year in my twenties, these are big numbers to me. I came from the dirt, but by the way, I genuinely believe a bunch of monkeys doesn't do the right thing over the next seven years that we're talking about. There are eighteen dollars, not ten thousand but I rather hold them all. Let's seven of them all go to zero and when I say seven of them I need seven of the collections. I went big on where's thirty forty fifty pieces in each because I know the three that do go there I think, covers the field and I'd rather not try to guess which ones other than. If I seem bad behaviour from the fund,

Totally it makes sense. I think you bring up a really great point, which is that everything is transparent public on the blockchain, and so it's time So when I see people say oh is like pumping and dumping when, like what you're doing is you're buying and holding, and so on. Here, is one of those critics. Those critics have been really fair to me. I think the headline wheel, real, quick they get over emotional, but that's great about the blockchain. Unlike the sports card critics or other critics in marketing. That said, I was pumping Tik Tok first, as if I owned anything of Tik Tok own by like

it, because I want to be historically correct that I'd trade on my reputation right as far as the critics, I've been very grateful of the web three community. Of course, I invoke emotion. I have a lot of followers. I am very well known, but when people get heated with me or like trump anytime, something really try same bedroom, I'm happy to engage with, and I'm like, hey break it down for me like what? What are you seeing, because with the blockchain, you can do it? It's huge. It's been a huge win for me because I've always been buy and hold. I am not as much I'm not a day trader. I'd like to be by the way on the record I wish I could be on the record. I wish it's twenty five. When this all happened, I would have made a fortune like a fortune, and it would have been day trading because I understand how humans work Mint first day. Next, like I'm very good at it, and so because for me,

somebody's listening and hearing that being like no, but you weren't, Gary B, they don't understand Jerry B, is a problem for me. I overtly have to hold, I believe, to like in TAC a good reputation. I actually think Gary these detrimental for me, it's beneficial for the things I buy into inferences, happy world, you know, women and weapons is happy member. The artist she's happy like the ones I buy into or happy, but for me I don't have the liquidation of bent on the back end, but it's ok not seldom because playing sold it's self imposed because because I'm playing long and I want to be thoughtful- and I understand how people going to think- and so it's okay, like I'd rather lose a lot more money and be respected. Reputation, legacy see writing- and I know that everybody thank you, and I know right now that everyone is indeed trading were in green land, you know and

and I want to be very firm- incredibly thoughtful, yes, Beacon of Greenland. Actually, this is a really great subway and, like I love to address a few things, but in my perspective, Darien like this is destroying you some roses. I feel it. You are the Paul gram of the end of tea industry. You know what Paul Gram did for start. Ups with why commentator into early too- as the instincts of that capacity. I've seen a lot of themes are very similar in the way that you are investing in the space, not only through NF teas, but in founders and things of that nature case. In point you invested in us, you took a chance on us doing that capacity on that front, so expect an unwritten rule. Like I'm interrupt you it's a really interesting inside on that, because I appreciate that and I'll even go further in the advertising agency landscape back to like being legacy over currency and actually being good dude, instead of like transactional

give me advertising agency world, it's very rare when a SAM works at banner and then decides hey, I'm ready do my own thing. I want do my own thing and go Does his own thing where the founder of the original place doesn't get mad? It's rare unfortunate. This is what all twelve and a half is written about is where I want to change the conversation around business. It's rare! They shun them. They soon, champion. It's more on the advertising public relations communications that cause like a lot a tech companies. The founders do end up writing checks for their employees, the rise of the pay gap. That vat is like the management is right. The coin raises, so I think that the Greeks. On the way, nonetheless, refinishing of thought- but I am going to make that point, because I think more people need to I'm seeing it in web three

people are losing their designers, their designers feel like they want to do their own project and their not being lovely about it, which is actually going back to my point. So, in that capacity Jerry, we ve seen a lot of you know: ass, a static like positioning of like the White list problems ray we're, seeing a lot of fishing were seeing a lot of scams. What are some frameworks and tools that youth and need to be built to protect the collectors and individuals who are pretty much putting their blood, sweat and tears into the industry? Education is imperative. We need more and more and more education and we're all going through that now

I actually think this is a conversation about people giving up their custodial rights. Can you explain that, for a long time, since our listeners may not know what custodial rights are out there, can you explain that to them? Yeah? You know the essence of web three. Is I'm going to control my fate? No bankers, no credit card company, no server right, it's all decentralized. I have my wallet. I have my seed phrase and I don't have to pay any transaction fees besides gas on eighth, which has it's own problems like you know, this is awesome. The problem is people getting their shit stolen and I have a funny feeling when the big institutions, whoever they may be Amazon, Meta, Coinbase, whoever

Start offering hey will hold your n f t's if they get stolen. We reimburse you at current value or whatever, to write. I'm fine feeling a lot of people are going to raise their hand and give up the three percent per transaction. You know like like we like having credit cards. We use them. if you're good, when somebody steals our credit card because we know get, we get our money back and that we pay fees for that and it's gonna be a very interesting

hub, because you're either going to have to be educated enough to never get caught and have your shit, stolen or you're going to give up some of the economics to have peace of mind. Do you see a future where we see of the the the equivalent of an the ic for the entity industry? I'm not sure, and I'm not educated enough to give you a good answer on that. So I'm not sure, but the point of the blockchain is to give the human the control, but like everything in life, humans, love control. Until something bad happens, you love like. I can show you unlimited people that tweet one think about like this is fucking awesome, fuck, the establishment, fuck the institutions and then seven months later, have a sweeping like we've got to do some. The government's got to do something about this shit stolen. So so now you know it's really too bad, but the scammers are having a field day.

It's early a lot of money at play, so you're very talented, scammers spending a lot, time and energy because if they hit a Eureka scam moment it can make a lot a lot, a lot of money and it's really unfortunate because with any great new media, when, when we bought America when we bought the west, that was also we were building one of the great countries that was arrogant, built because got play its flaws, but, like there is undeniable conversation that in a thousand years

people, analyzer, robots, analyze, the world, America had a remarkable run right, manifest destiny, baby right, so the what's really interesting is when we bought the West Coast. There was a lot of gold rush things going on some good, some bad and that's what's happening right now. So do you think big on that point of like a lot of money at stake? Everybody looking at this right, there's big numbers rate: do you think that there's a bubble right now inventive t market? Yes, yes, I think that the intervention clear to me that ninety eight ninety seven visit internet stock. Ninety nine have been saying that from the Gatt it was so obvious that there are too many projects that are overvalued and there's too many founders that are not capable of executing the next half decade to create enough demand

they're, just let's list I've into that. What do you mean by that? The founders can't execute on that front too many Indication on any specific founders is just a general statement. There's too many people that run projects right now that we will end up not being good enough, creating demand and the move of like just keep air dropping more Nfts will ultimately. better view of ninety seven, you know ninety seven power, Ranger ACT. The figures in a regional box sitting in your head It doesn't matter the ninety seven of them. Instead of one people still don't want to buy the Power Ranger toy

creating a scenario where it doesn't matter. If you drop four hundred and twenty five derivative been appeased to people. If nobody wants it, it's not going to matter, and so every single found her that, if he lands job, is to create demand and flushing the market with more isn't necessarily a demand. It's a short term plump, because people like wait a minute. I am the alpha piece. I keep getting derivatives, but eventually you're gonna have to create natural demand through storytelling or other behaviors, and I think most people will struggle at that. I hear you on that front and let's double down on that, like a song about two part run, how do people can protect themselves from a bubble and specifically Here- and I know that you mentioned- that you're really looking forward to feel like securing feared a little bit. You ve been mentioning that before and the number two less that lets a dress, engagement, verses retention for these projects.

So I think the best way to avoid a bubble is to expect the bubble, and so don't bet anything you can't afford to lose. Take some winnings off the table if you can't afford to lose it right now, if you're listening, I want, even though I know bubbles coming, because I'm going to try to build on the back of the bubble after what you are referring to. As I've said to you in the past, we all see the a podcast before they crashed like we lost them. I know you've got some of the footage. I hope you put out some of the clips, but I'm keeping some. U s d, even though I don't not love with you SD. I love it for what I can do with it when and if there's a bubble burst. I think the best way actually, though, is to invest in founders like if you watched, four Jeff Bezos interviews and watched and got lucky enough to meet Jeff

It's outside an event and talk to him? You would have left confident that he would have navigated. The two thousand internet stock bubble crashed and I think that's what I'm looking for. As a transfer. I actually have three units what I'm trying to do more, I'm trying to spend time with the founders of the best projects or the project I seemingly are doing. Well, I'm going to try to allocate more time post series to be friends to have one on one meetings: twenty thirty, forty minute meetings just assess who I think is going to be able to get through the storm. That's going to be amazing, and so, but let's transition over to you.

Irl concepts ride your your your really blending in the url irl gap really strongly. You just launched fly fish, and you know that you got some pretty big things launching for be friends. You got vikan coming up this. May you got a VP friends version to like how do you sprain how you plan to unleash the utility that you have for two thousand and twenty two I think the twenty twenty and two thousand and twenty one and two thousand and twenty two will be the years of art and collectibles with a hint of utility. I believe, the twenty twenty five two thousand and twenty six two thousand and twenty seven the whole game will be utility with a hint of collectability represents, is

That really did both pretty aggressively. So you know the url, I or anything I think about a tug, because I think we are enough to get really powerful is when they are utility to create access to something right when they're a ticket to something when they are redemption to something physical and dumb. On on the further this person from a believer that we're gonna live in the matters. Twenty four seven there will always be the real world at scale. I believe, at least in my lifetime for short and dumb, and so I think that. Everybody should be spending a lot more time with Iredell and not just like hoodies. You know, like I think, and not just like a random party at south by southwest like meaningful, meaningful events meaningful meaningful product. I think there's product

that can bring more value to people than apparel, though I'm all in on a parallel going to do something huge for a spring summer collection for me friends, but I think we need to expand more, and so I think about it. Daily misery comes to a close, what advice do you have for people that are releasing a few products that they want to be successful? I know you're kind of thoroughbred community builder. What are some of the most important things for people to focus on. things you should not do? You should not put my imager or mrbeast or or or Banksy or Logan, Paul or or Reese Witherspoon, or even one gory is photo in a instagram ad and make because you air, dropped the enough tee to us and then say, backed by Gary vigorous Witherspoon Not because of any other reason, not not because not only is it like dishonest and I just always a bad strategy, but people like me and others are doing

homework to figure out who's behind these projects and it's going to ruin your reputation for your entire career and it was unnecessary. Like the amount of you know, it's really too bad. What else you should not do is pay influencers to tweet about it. It's short term you'll just get a quick little bump, and then your project will die what you should not do what is make outlandish, proud promises on a roadmap and think that's why people are going to buy it. What you should do is go slow and steady. You should be a snail You should realize that. Build a community step by step, stay within your means, do what you can do, make it authentic to you. I take a lot of as you guys know, for the art of be friends not being strong. It also led to a very strategic misstep on my part, which was completely miss the pay of p craze, because even I mean literally people that I think I could convince to be a Gary, be COLT literally, like the biggest

and I have on earth that, like I like try to convince them that, like worse than you think like please, I'm just a human being with calm down. Even they have less bullshit and of tea projects in their twitter profile be friends even though they wanna be befriend. It's the best move, they've ever done because it doesn't bode well. I never made a pie of pie maker so but it's still the happiest thing. I've done the fact that I'm going to spend next forty five years building a Disney building a pokemon building a my little pony and transformers, and I was the human me- I was the human being- the drew them. That's insane actually got a fun alpha for let's go here's for anybody who listen to this, I think this could help. If I'm right, the be friends, is gonna, be a monster. One thing that is

incredibly unknown, is that my drawings were then turned into digital assets right. It was pretty basic, but there was some work on the rarities and things of that nature, and How exactly were we going to do it the design or that worked on. That was Frankie, the one of the co founders of sub ducks, and so I believe, thought that I want to even to Sup ducks, and I have a little bit here and there and some of the other two riveted projects, because, unlike man, I frankly is no and I actually believe in him. I'm believe myself the most and think I'm going to build the number one project when it's all said and done in fifty years. The providences. That Frankie was the designer that converted my drawings into the original enough tease. If that will have a halo effect on Sub ducks and him? And so it was very important to me that it was from my finger chip and so for all the people trying SAM to launch a project me.

your own, the amount of entrepreneurs that go higher, some random designer that ve never had a relationship with. to bang out some derivative generative project. Excuse me not driven generative kind of concept. And yeah. Let's just make it about Wales, there'll be For Wales, Wonderful Whale society yea, let's find an artist at a lowest cost. Let's not give get a piece of the action or if we can help it and just pay him a fee or maybe we'll pay her a little piece and like there's no soul to it, they don't give a shit there. Just you know to me. I gave a shit like empathy, elephant impatient panic. It talked about constantly because Gary mean talks about that. It can carry Vienna trip. Believes that it a k I drew those fuckers. I drew that fuckin elevate like I did me so

I laughed when people very quickly. Everybody got away from Providence, which was an essential part of the blockchain, the fucking Northstar, all of a sudden, the market. Is forgetting that in lieu of their subjective opinion, if something looks good as a Ninety nine percent of all these projects look exactly the fucking see as if that's not the case. I can't fucking tell ninety eight percent these projects apart. Cool, so you made them face left instead of right, you're, real fucking genius right like fire The original Letty is whack right. because when the green zone, but I promise The real artists they're coming some of the people that are in here right now, that did something to hair Wack learned and their second thing is going to rat, and you know I think brighter days are ahead, but we are in scam city

Reed City right now, which You know, for me means like a great time to buy. believer not look right. Now is the first time I'm actually looking at maybe buying some stuff cause. You know everyone's funny the little, because it's a lot of intensity but quietly coin basis, close met. It is close, like a ton of scale, is coming to. since amazing time lots of ingredients for opportunity, love it we're Gary. Thank you so much for up coming on for I to educate, at the masses a mission that the true you tell the and potential the psychology amounts. Thank you. So much love you guys.