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what are we talking about?
neither in wealth.
I were going to be talking about a place that has come to be known as skin walker ranch,
it's in the winter basin of northeastern utah and
I want to just say up front that this
So it is all about
this ranch the family
is that lived there and what they reported.
has very little to do with
the native american belief system, what they believe with skin walkers. I think scheme
Walker ranch has about as much to do or a
relation with actual needs.
American beliefs, essay the kansas city chiefs. Here you can't
slap, a name or an arrow, had on something and then claim it has something.
do with this culture, because this ranch
very little if anything about this story that actually
applies to what their indigenous people in that area actually believe. Right,
and it gets so complex there
no way for us. If we're going to tell this story on the
paranormal side too,
and all the other stuff without making
a three hour endeavour near so I
that their beliefs are incredibly interesting, and I I liked me
up on it. I liked hearing what they had to say, but this deception
It is really about
this ranch and how it has pretty much.
Appropriated their belief system and turned it into what it is today, which I will get to that right. Well, let's talk briefly about what a skin walker is just for the purpose of this episode and to kind of put all the
sing context the skin walk.
is considered to be a type of harmful which
as the ability to turn into possess or disguise themselves as an animal. But again, that's how the people who talk about this
and that's literally, their definition,
Then it may or may not represent native
again: lore exactly
This all happened when a family
the name of sherman of the sermons moved in right:
yeah sherman ranch it's about five hundred acres near
small, utah communities of roosevelt, ballard and fork to shame, is considered to be a hot spot, justin right,
of paranormal activity of unusual happenings
and they say that this all first came to the attention of the public due to the work of Joseph junior, hick,
and he was a science teacher and a former role,
or to pilot very much
the aviation. He was
actually the primary source for a book? The utah? U f, o display by frank salisbury. Now this was
all andy mid too late, sixties and
You are foes and the whole ancient astern
theorist kind of theory, all of that stuff was gaining
action at that time
and you had roswell that sort of kick started. All of this. You foe hysteria, I guess a friend of Hex who was a tea,
contacted him and told him
that he and his students had seen you are those which are unidentified flying objects, passing
over the school and hicks became fastened,
so this all kind of started in nineteen fifty one and, of course, not
After that there was
controversial. Film footage of flying desks, take
by a warrant officer with the navy near trenton.
This made the news in eighteen, fifty two so you get through
Fifty years in the sixties and hicks claimed that he invest.
Gated between four hundred and six hundred ufo sightings, just in spain.
Nineteen sixty six and sixty seven now air he's
hanging out in this area for two years with the intent of documenting all of this year,
foe phenomena does
a camera with him we had better.
Murphy back in the sixties and factor the black and white voters were beautiful
color ones were a little more greeny, but yeah, I'm just wondering of thought.
four hundred some sightings, not one photograph hooker. Well it!
tough just in there's, actually apparent
phenomena where people when they see unidentified flying objects, they dont think of tat.
In pictures of it there so wrapped up
what they see. It's almost like.
tractor beam is locked in on their head and they can't turn away to get that camera denoted mean
just assume that if your
expecting it sure you know you don't have a camera on you. This is the Sixtys. We don't have phones on us, but what
This guy is intentionally there with the sole purpose of investigating this phenomena. How could he not get one pitcher?
this is a question I have and at this point kenneth and eat
Myers are the owners of the ranch now what a d
craft look like Aaron well. These
draft, apparently I mean in this is taking in all these reports. They were about four
feet across and they
pulsating lights around the edge, a light on top, and
A strange red energy re that emanated from the bottom of the craft sounds like every great siphoned movie from the nineteen fifties. Yeah yeah
now the they described this light on the bottom. They said
like a light suddenly coming on yo. Sometimes you watch the street lights come on at night now they said this light. Would
emanate slowly from the craft, and then it looked almost like
that red light was searching for something
like a ray of light, not just a burst of light right,
So there are many witnesses, apparently return him. A hundred hundreds of witnesses and
sometimes people said they were as close as thirty feet from one of these objects but yeah again,
These are witness accounts. People are giving
story to the media and saying this is what I saw now,
If you know anything about this area, it is way out there
I'm not gonna say it's out in the buoys, but there is not a lot of
no city. There's no, sir,
eighty around here so
You don't have any light pollution and you don't have any far
any kind of pollution really. So it gives you the
most amazing, brilliant night skies you'll ever see made
they caught the weather born
maybe they saw saddle
in a later on there
things that you can see with the naked eye up in the night sky, when you have zero light pollution, but when the
some of these witnesses. That say it's the middle of the day. You know it's
round lunchtime minutes this objects? Thirty feet away? Yeah you can't exactly
explain that away. Besides
or maybe they know that this is a a news
article that's going on in their area and they want to get quoted too
so the area be. You talked about the area, it's wide open, very rugged territory and its population
by cottonwood trees, people not so much a few and far between.
So of course, because of these sightings, and because the stories start coming out,
France really gain some attention right I mean this. Is
a story that takes off in
in seventy. Eight. It's time
old area residents report ufos and
there is actually a reporter with that paper?
with her ten year old son, and she talks all
about what they saw. It even got
tat by the national inquirer at this
is going virus
and the day and getting
no coverage, which is why I heard about
as a child, but
It really got catapulted into the main stream in
mid nineties. And of course this is right when I'm between
Sixteen to eighteen years old, so this is right up my alley. I'm listening to Kosovo,
was just like you earned, and you know where,
paranormal ufo phenomena- and this is hitting dig when the sherman family moves in but cos
ghost I am is really, I think, the
that many people got into,
with this stuff
and me, I'm definitely us sceptic
I'm interested in things, but I I just dont really
leave in them. But there is not.
Like listening to our bell talk about his
First, in these things it makes you interested and of course he has all these fascinating gas on my
color her org
ordinary or whoever else talking about the events
that they know what they say. They know occurred at this ranch
and so you can actually find that audio. If you search for it, I've
in two pretty much
I think I have listened to most coasts, colosseum episodes.
least the ones that are about did so
This is how I really learned about this.
is through Kosovo. Sam now
when we started your talking about hicks, doing all this investigation work and
he was all over. This area wasn't just the ranch that he was on and rip,
bring about all these ufo site
and what not so now you have terry and gwen sherman coming in
buying this ranch.
When staff writer, Z,
van ike from the desert news published a story called frequent fliers.
So I'm wondering if there is a connection here on the sherman, seeing all the attention that this ranches getting and they
in saying. Oh, we think there might be something going on to see.
did the sherman family report. While there too
gone, it was- and this is something we know because terry sherman spoke with desert news- carries
for a long time we wondered what we were seeing. If it was something
to do with the top secret project
really know what to think about it. There see
ariel phenomena. Things
sky flying around again very
to do with the natives
can beliefs about scan workers, but we do have their accounts. They do
have spoken about what they ve seen with their own eyes,
I'm in the sure, thirteen age, sun and ten year old daughter, they talked about seeing through
different types of ufos. In fifteen months, small box, like craft with white light, a forty foot long object and a huge
ship the size of several football fields, which you see some.
like that. I mean the shocking right
tempting that large in the sky there,
reporting this you're talking
All of these, your photos and again this
the nineties. Now we have cameras, we have video cameras, we have camcorders, we have all kinds of ways to document this, but they
the claim that
batteries in their cameras would die or mount too,
our function in general, so they couldn't take photos. They couldn't get anything
The documentation of any of these claims
but you ve seen pictures and videos of unexplained craft right, unidentified craft and
What are your thoughts when you do see? It will use
It's so poor quality that you can't say
Is this: a man made
act or a u era,
or something from out of this world their use.
terrible, but I guess,
when you're making so many claims about something
the size of a football field. I think a photo of that
it would be a little bit more decisive, so sawhorse they
talk about seeing a craft emit a wavy red re. They all
plainly seen other unexplained airborne lights. Some
It is from orange circular doorways that appeared in mid air. This is one of
things that we ve learned about just in? Is it not just strange crap
It's not just strange lights are orbs there.
also, apparently openings in the sky, poor,
If you will yes and
the ground to circles
a flattened grass about eight feet across
in a triangular pattern about thirty feet from each other so soon
patterns on the ground. Basically, crop circles right, that's what people have come to call them, and
of course, weird impressions and the soil that are a foot or too deep and about three feet wide unexplained just in the dirt and there should be
thing out here as much as we call this a ranch. This is high. Desert
not growing alot of crops, I hear the soil is very rocky and for something to,
actually leave this kind of impression or dig it
legs, or whatever
into the ground with
a lot of weight and a large object, but
but their wondering are these landing impressions from a? U a foe,
I don't know I would have to see if photo
of it too.
give an opinion and they didn't even take a photo of the ground. But here we are
there's a story from terry sherman, where they were out there with the family dogs
and they heard male voices speaking in a land,
they didn't understand and terror
he claimed that the voices seem to becoming from above him twenty five feet above him,
but when he looked around he didn't see anything, but the dogs were going crazy. They are
marking and growling, and any
running off back to the ranch house at this
point that new another installing chains on their front porch there installing cameras they are trying to protect themselves and cat
what is going on outside, according to them one of the repeated
stories that you hear about the ranch. Isn't just you a full lore, but you also hear about cattle mutilation, and this is why, at this
something that people have talked
for many years now. They-
do take photos of the dead cattle, and I will show you know, maybe
Its skin has been
torrent or work.
and they're like this is almost laser precision. This is surgical mutilation, but why
I look at a lot of these photos earn. I know, like one
Boxers will be fighting in europe
clubbed over the head with this huge glove. Yet some of the cuts that up
you're on their forehead, more or less a terror, then
like someone cut them with a razor, and so
I look at a lot of the cattle mutilations and I think well the
her eyes in their their tongues, are going to be eaten first by predation and if a a bob catarrh
A large predatory animal took us a swat at them
yeah. I can look like the scanners cut with.
surgical precision when it's really just torn or has been shredded by italian of some sort or claw given
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about this, and they say that in
nineteen, ninety eight, ninety, ninety, nine and two thousand and everyone
the cattle that was mutilated was pregnant at the time, but when
in the bodies of these cows were found
and they were examined. They were empty
its surmised that something took the fetus of these calves right each of them out of the cows.
And all they could find when they actually did autopsies was there was a bunch of scarring inside
their wombs. So I don't know
to make that. But, of course, this is just were taken,
their stories and relating them and we did
examined the animals. We don't have photographic evident
of this so once again
it's a story in this.
What we know is what we've heard and then the stories
start to shift from
you are found in the sky two things
the ground and one of the first
oddities that day report
it is a large wolf or a dire wolf witches away.
that's about the size of a horse and
claim that they were
and there was
and they see this law
in the distance and, of course,
dogs begin to bark annulled
to this end
They talk about this wolf and
say that it approaches slowly
They say that it doesn't look
menacing, meaning its ears aren't back. It looks somewhat
docile, although it's the size of a horse and
it approaches them and actually lets them. Pet, It- and I don't know why you wanna pet, a wolf, that's all
lost his tall as you and me, I wouldn't pet, a wolf that was a regular sacks, dwarf yeah, but they're they're clay,
That their outside by the truck in this wolf comes up and as
We as unsettling is the size of the wolf, is they're all standing around just sort of dumbfounded by it. I guess is personally, I think if I were
Terry sherman I'll be telling everybody to get in the truck or get inside the house if this walked up
I mean there's no reason to not seek shelter from such a large animal
dangerous animal for that matter, but are they
that this wolf attacked one of their caps and that's when terry
got his three fifty seven magnum river
over out of his truck and shot at the wolf.
He said it had no impact. It didn't seem to do nothing.
Talk about these large wolves a lot and how they would,
kill their cow so
people wondering, because I think we should explain slow better, but
dire wolves. If there were
one at the time there beggar pen a large
while fright at so a large wolf, would be say, a timber wolf and thereabouts
dire wolf, you'd have to add a couple
or feed onto that thing. I think a lot of people
I've watched game thrones and their produce,
very well in that date.
about how they had six
Rules like these huge bowls male cows. Whenever I get
Are you a foe where something comes overhead
Everyone on the ranches dumbstruck and doesn't know what's going on and then all of a sudden the bulls disappear and they
and the bulls inside of this trailer that
is only about twenty feet, long and ten feet wide, which means you
have to line these bolsa perfectly to get them all to fit inside of this trailer erin and it had to have been this
alien craft that was able to transport the bowls into this animal trailer, because no human could have gotten
in their so quickly,
yeah, there's another story of balls being moved
into a shed. We might
and be talking about the same story, but it's been repeated some.
times that maybe one person said it's an animal trailer,
and somebody else says it's a shed now you know I
be the same story, but the time
found game makes it change.
They also report
sensations in the ground like the ground rumbling like somebody's driving, a bulldozer or something by
and sounds of colossal machines moving underground
so unsettling sounds unexplained, sounds what's going on here,
and then there is this report of
water. Babies which are children, said to have been drowned and now lurk in bodies of water in the afterlife any mimic. The cry
the babies to lure
us or animals to the water s edge said than they can snatch them and drag them into the water, and this is now part of thee.
Stories, ah from the family, and they talk
bout that the portals again and what
They say about that. There was a cub opening that came
outside of their house, a big opening. Well the picnic
terry. He witness first
and from a ridge overlooking the desert, a portal and from this portal in eight foot, humanoid creature,
Who is dressed all in black stepped through this point?
in too I guess,
our world, this is
what he's saying and you have.
Aliens you have
trans, dimensional beans or inner dimensional beings- you have,
large wolf's, you have you, have those flying overhead orbs
You got it all in the story. Right I mean this is just covering all
the bases in from all of the the store,
is that people knew from the Sixtys and seventys about ufos enter paranoia
creatures, wine and
german family. They had, of course,
can wait. Desert news- and there is this- for-
went flyers, article that was
basically towards the end
of their ownership of this ranch and they sold it
in ninety ninety six, it
then I guess news who bought the ranch but
eventually figured out who was, it was Robert bigelow, who is the founder of bigelow airspace and
they're, pretty known for being the first to develop and test the technology for inflatable space habitats,
I can only assume they add some big government contracts and
hello is rich and
to buy this ranch and rich enough to tell
it into his own investigative platform, right yeah,
he had a very strong interest in the unexplained in the supernatural, the paranormal in won't. We would
from fringe science, that's being generous, yeah
yeah. They say that in twenty twenty one, robber bigelow offered a million dollars to any one who could help improve that consciousness can continue after bodily death. So I think that's it
more about his interests than about him figure.
something out personally and he's now
regurgitating a lot of the stories from the germans and the previous owners about the going ons at this ranch,
and he is setting up
cameras he's setting up a whole system too,
document. What's going on with the
selling the story. Well, I think you know, for a lot of people.
Who believe in robber bigelow. They would say what he has,
foundations the national institute for discovery, science, nids and
I was founded in eighteen. Eighty, five bow
we don't really know how is funded. It was probably funded by bigelow, but
he may have had friends join in some people say
even the. U S, government got involved in that.
I don't know why they would, but that's the story, because he
as needs. This is the perfect
waste to set up in.
allegations right? So let me just put it this way
I think the reason why this has gotten so much attention is because there are people out there who believe in conspiracy theories. They believe in these ideas,
is that the government is testing or attempting to discover things that
We do not have a handle on and will you
back to stories about portals opening and people walking out of them were creatures, then well. If they could figure this stuff out. That could be incredibly helpful to the government right. So that's how they tie that together. I believe
I just I see a huge plot whole here, because the government can buy up and take it anyway,
at once. I mean this is why this right,
which is such a hot spot. I
is presume that the government would come in and buy it up and use it
two further investigate this
your phenomena and figure out
technology, but for some reason they believe it and the private sector and let these people
live there, even though it's such a incredible hotspot of soup,
Natural and paranormal phenomena well, but that's where people would point
rebecca low and say there is their partner he's in on it.
You know you bring in someone who would know what to do with the investigation, how to steer it, how to collect the data right so they have him.
far, as we know, was doing a lot of investigations out there and
Had these observation platforms built on the ranch dad dogs at these platforms
could raise the alarm just in case
anything approached from the surrounding wilderness, so they have
dogs on twenty four chains as there,
learn system, they have cameras, they have these
observation platform sore
yes in the hunting world to be called the blinds and they're ready for anything yan theirs
worries that dogs were mysteriously released from these locked
answer chains and that they would be
running around or these
would be seen barking at the air support
easily hearing voices from overhead, but nothing was seen and so.
This is where they blame a trickster, so
and who was in an unusual or invisible form, but this
Whole investigation thing that people claimed. That may be, the government was even in on with Robert bigelow,
well, it lasted until two thousand for
and the only way to really find
information on needs. Is you
to use the way back machine.
out of its not readily available, and I said
some time looking through it, but
for those thinking that right
bigelow was in what the government well
if he was ever in with a government that came to an end it
point because in march
twenty one. He ended up suing nasa for one point: zero,
five million dollars saying that he
is not paid
to contract for peace,
testing and development
I remember he is the found.
Bigelow, aerospace, fairly, says
things didn't work out between his
group and the government. So if they
in cahoots. Well, it didn't end well when its end
sixteen, that a shell company in buying this ranch,
yeah. I read the name justices Adam antium holdings that my first thought is wolverine wolverine here and people
create shell companies, which is essentially about
this company to
to shield their own identity shield there
taxes and assets whatever it is and though you
this company to buy something, so they can be anonymous but
company well we'll find out who actually
is behind most of it right, but what people
realize right away. Is that when this company Adam antium holdings gets a hold
this ranch. They
secure the crap out of it right, I mean they go in and they start putting up
fences and barricades to keep people away from it becomes a very gated
maria and beer
animals are just going to stumble into this field,
anymore, because it's all fenced off it's there.
secure and it's all for being able to control. What's going on in this on this ranch, so high
the new owner
the new owner
eventually revealed to be brandon fuel and he's a real estate mobile from utah and a self professed sceptic, now he's a sceptic
but he comes in with the in
and of investigating this ran
he comes in with the intent of documenting
going on here.
if you're saying euro sceptic- and you want to disprove things- that's one thing but proving a negative is really hard so claiming
sceptic and then trying to document the weird stuff while that sort of goes against your whole. I'm a sceptic!
why dont know I mean you would think that, hopefully, a sceptic would be open enough to admitting to seeing things, even if it defied
normal beliefs right, but
I know what you're saying it seems like he sets
up where he's allowing, even in no other,
ass the gaiters to come in and access the ranch
yeah. This isn't exactly scepticism at work. Here I would say this was more like. What can we do with this place?
You talk about investigators, I mean even the likes of ghosts. Adventures has indeed
to get a door gone through this ranch at sir, getting too
the tv reality shows and networks and he has occurred.
It says, six months into our investigation, I had an experience while entertaining a visiting dignitary and insecurity detail that involved in
Nihil, citing of what can only
described as a forty to fifty foot, long silver grayish disk like object that performed maneuvers that were stunning and if I can,
general explanation. He said that happened,
broad daylight and that there were multiple people who saw it. Not one pulled out a phone
Well, let's address that for a moment. Justin there are people writing books about this branch
they go and do interviews about this branch and talk about the things they ve seen about their cattle mutilations, about portals about
add occurrences right things like cattle, suddenly being moved or killed. What have you any
when their asked, can you show us evidence of this? They pretty much s hand
point two robert bigelow and say well, he's got all of it because
is the one that was collating the information he was collecting at all so again
were asking like. Can we see stuff and
now there is there a lot of interesting stories, but were were waiting on those pictures,
extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence, we're not even asking for extraordinary evidence. I'm asking for one photo of this fifty four.
the long silver creek.
In broad daylight,
and there isn't one genesis,
the time or you would think there could be a pretty good picture of such a thing right. Yeah-
maybe the batteries and work,
it's in twenty
nineteen, that the euro
government makes a claim here. Well it
really comes about because the new york times they report the existence.
a previously on publicize programme.
known as advanced,
aerospace threat, identification programme, they caught a tip. Now this
gram was met
evaluate threats from unidentified aerial objects. Now,
I hear that I think well, we,
know what other
Countries are developing and flying we dont know of things
visiting us from other worlds, we have no idea. So this is
sickly, a program that evaluates threats,
and so they try to capture
things on video right, but this advanced
space is a tap they weren't
created based on this right
anshan, the? U phenomenon there. They were that this group was created
for a lot of other reasons. Probably more earth relate,
her reasons, but it was
another video from the
the? U s navy pilot video right. That really is time
to this a tip group, not this ranch item at the tick tock ufo, yeah yeah. That was from two thousand and four
and man that was all over the news right. Everybody wanted to talk about it.
Still in the news today
and what do you think of the video I it's it's annexing.
apple and its its good quality and
and you know you have me-
terry pilots, you have radars, you have all the stuff documenting this and you have this.
Ariel phenomena that is moving in a way that
We don't have anything that moves like that. It's defying gravity and physics. So
I find this video today, sir
For: u s s: nimitz! Tik tok and you'll find it. They say this is
He classified video so forward. Looking infrared right,
this is the only video they have from the incident. They say in this
video is very compelling and this government
meant this programme was funded
for the years. Two thousand and seven did twenty twelve,
was shut down and it had nothing to.
But this ranch, but the people
love. The lure of this branch will talk about
and tie these two things together. Well, I think it's want
to have all these stories right, but without
sure, video or photographic evidence there are people saying but come on. Show me. I think
you ve been doing that, but they can point
to this incident, with the: u S, s nimitz and say, but wait wait, wait! Look at that d! There are on it
and things out there. So why can't you understand what we ve been telling you? Why would all these people make it up?
telling you these stories, because we ve seen these things. That's what they're trying to say, because
One thing, one time
One video I cannot
fine. I cannot,
to five million other videos or a million other allegations are claims to be true, have to take a case by case right. But if you, if you read it,
this now me not to go too far off track here, but this tik tok ufo here
read about it and there's a retired. U s navy lieutenant commander alex dietrich, and she talked about this
and according to her it looked like a smooth white.
oblong object. That kind of look like a tick tock breath meant that was fun,
high speed of the water and didn't appear to have any means of
soon it was just flying quickly over the water. Her
a fellow pile.
named David from our hope? I got his name right
saw this. Turning of the ocean surface,
for seeing this object,
Now I mean they. They went out there because they were radar contacts in the area that could not be explained the wave
the objects were moving. Just didn't make sense, so
yeah, even myself, as a sceptic when you have
navy personnel, who are you
to seeing things who is,
we don't know what this is that's interesting
I dont know what it is, but I
than when they say that they don't
but it is either so I
think it makes things interesting. Definitely, but if you're
right it doesn't it doesn't. You can't take that story and then
mediately apply it to this ranch and say well
then some of that has to be true to like there are definitely
buying things happening there, but
we now have the unidentified.
Ariel phenomena task force that replaced a tip
and airborne object
dedication in management secret negotiations group, while he hath mouth
So the government I mean I think
from this two thousand and four tik tok video, the government is take
yet more seriously. Now how many people do you think want to visit this ranch
And have their own, citing yeah,
I mean this- is one of the reasons why they blocked it down because
they don't want people. Just
walking onto the property? Just
liability reasons alone, meaning fall off
this big ridge hurt yourself. If you could
bit by rattlesnake something in a whatever, because
become so popular, especially in rio,
but he shows I'm sure. People are
walking to it and are they I think,
want to control, what's documented and set about this area. That's one way to do it. It's theirs, and I get that, but for
those of us that are curious. We would like to see here
and understand more about what goes on out there right. If there is on its way,
and phenomena happening out there. But unfortunately, it's been
down for a long time it feels like, but there are people who
come out and try to explain why we don't have the data right, we ve talked about this throughout the episode, don't happen
We don't have video evidence where they could say. I I can't prove to you that this was some sort.
craft from another world, but tell me what you think it is, and then we would be
replying with I dont know what that is, but we don't have that so there wasn't it,
investigate investigator, who talked about this
and they labelled it as precaution
it is simply an intelligence. This was doktor, John, be alexander, and this is a way to explain all this right. How
Can no one get evidence. People experience stuff out there,
and tell you about it, but they can't prove it to you. They can't even give you anything to make you think twice and what
is about according to doktor alexander, is that this entity
who they believe is responsible for this stuff, can actually predict what you're going to do so. People with cameras
good point them in a direction of lights. They see and then the light
it would certainly be somewhere else or they would disappear somewhat
let the dogs out, and they set a trap
in case? It would happen again, but then it wouldn't it's almost like no matter what they try to prepare for.
Things would not happen the same way or in a way that you would. You could predict, because, whatever the
had to tease are out there or entity. It would know
You were doing what you were up to and would foil your plans. While that's her
explanation of why no one can document this budget brandon
and his team they claim
been documenting this and they even have a whole reality show earn. It's called the sea
Skin walker ranch. Have you
state. I have watched some of it. Yes, I am
Gonna try to be nice here. I know that there are a lot of people involved,
but Brandon saying he's a self proclaimed sceptic, and then you have a travis taylor, who is
essentially the site.
test of the team: that's conducting experiments and are trying to
gather, evidence or disprove things, and then you have
whole team of guys that live or work the ranch, but really there not working the ranch there
working the reality show and this whole thing is pretty much.
been monetizing in commercialized, said a word
now. What did you think of the reality show errand, because I got my opinions and I'm gonna hold back for a minute. Why think? If
you're interested in this ranch and its history. Then I think this,
does a good job of feed.
information to you from people and showing you things are showing you. The ranch
where you stay interested, it's just enough to keep you interested right
look I mean there are those of us that say
show me something give me prove, but that they can make
a series of this and then show you something in the first episode. That's
they all they have right.
it whatever they have. If they have anything so they may have
draw out, because otherwise you dont have a series, you would have a duck.
entry and that's not what they did hear nets
It's obvious by they don't have a documentary because they don't have this evidence
that would not people off their feet.
and make them say. Oh, my goodness, I was a sceptic and now
everything I thought was true, meaning science that I'm going to have to throw out the window, because I'm seeing things I just shouldn't be, I can't explain it
but the show and Brandon they claim that there
their finding evidence and their showing you on this reality show the evidence that they ve collected in there and its
splain enable portray it as you debunk this, because
As we're finding all of this
explainable stuff with
of our high end scientific equipment and our experience,
that were running the there's things that are completely
unexplainable on this rancher.
yeah. So if you have
in your head, that this ranches amazing and that there are all kinds of visitors from other worlds: vs spacecraft, fry
from other world or from portals
you're going to be disappointed. I think that the people that are
to this staff there now
actually expecting to see something their way
for it, but
seeing it hasn't, stop them from watching
the show is still on because people are watching- and so I think
Keeping them hooked in a way
for those of us that want the proof
and they're saying you know you have all these cameras and what we're talking about in twenty
wait to hear we have modern cameras. Might twenty one
twenty, we have hd cameras
I can use my samsung twain to alter and I can get a really nice picture of the moon now but
why don't we have some kind of picture of a
or wolf or a person can.
out of a portal, something I'll tell you why
reality shows have reality in their title
were there name. I guess, but I
People in the industry- and there is very little reality going on in reality- shows its tee
producers that doc
to hire writers and there is going to put microphone
on a bunch people on video
film them running around doing whatever, and then they
the eight drama they create tension.
They create a story line with just what they
I have in front of their cameras. I have
friend he he went on a reality, show to get it a tattoo.
He had actually got
to receive the tattoo from the artist on the show, but he had got the tattoo liked
years prior. But
Of course he goes on the show and he gets a statue in they slathered some vaseline on it. So it looks fresh and they show some stock footed
of the person doing a tattoo, and then he tells us
story about what it means to him and that's the show,
from another friend that worked in the clothing industry and they wanted to do a reality. Show up
The high and high fashion clothing
they were really efficient at their jobs and the producers of the shower like what we need. Some drama, like the shipping departments
shipping the stuff out fast enough. So we need you to go back there and yell at them, and my friends
I'm not gonna. Do that and so the pilot
never even cut it, never got
ass, the pilot portion, because
there was no, there was
of drama conflict and that reality show so
and here we are with the secret of
can walk. A ranch show
knowing that this is all literally them
running around with equipment that it doesn't even appear that they know how to use it correctly and
were, they use it and they get,
some information or they get a reading. That's a little weird.
And then they read it wrong or they just don't get any.
Of the data that they actually need to make a honest
You know evaluation of what they're looking at
there's no scientific method employed at all when they're doing these. These
these episodes- and I just watch
one literally before we start.
recording and Travis is with
group in their shooting. These rockets up into the sky
to get readings on stuff and then act
like the readings, are weird for some reason, and then he,
is behaving as if he's woken up in his little trailers, all camper and as I can
heard this this
whooshing, sound and- and you see him walking out of the trailer and you see
one of the rockets shooting up in the background and
behaves as if he doesn't know what's going on or what this noises are why his dogs are barking,
You literally just showed us the rockets that you were shooting off earlier, but whatever
there's another one where there are like they're doing a night shot, and there have all these spotlights. All these. Like laser pointers and stuff
and they're using there. You know
their infra red and their night vision, and then they show
the night sky and they're like we'll. Look at this huge ray of light up in the sky. What is what's that coming from and I'm thinking it's coming from your your vehicle with the huge spotlight
shining up into the night sky. Then there's this other part where they have these multistory
and dollar drones covered in cameras in motion.
Action in their flying them around the ranch and hovering over a cow
it seems to be in distress and then
The very next seen they have a photo of this cow.
And there's something in the air above it and there, like. Oh my god, what's what's above the cow that must be
before we can explain it
I'm just thinking you literally
had the strown above the cow, and then you took her,
auto over and now you're showing it to me in claiming it, sir. You are like well, the cow was
distress justin. It was afraid by
more for the cow than anyone on the show
and then there is this whole
about you- can't dig on the ranch digging will cause.
angry spirits to attack. You
curse you bad things happen. If you dig so
stay bring in this team
guys to do ground, penetrating radar and I just think
myself, so you can't put a shovel to the earth, but you can do ground penetrating radar and that won't upset the spirits slight at what what is the logic there? I don't know
and then they go on to how
a year, a native
Can she from one of the local tribes, come over and do a blessing, so they can act.
We break ground without being cursed, and so they get this guy comes over and he does this,
ritual and they say,
you for doing that new cycle. None of you were actually saying it with me saying the chant with me so because it's only really,
protecting me. It's not protecting! You have to thinking what was the whole point of the sixth
they're trying to do this blessing before a dig, but then the guy says
I hoped you all would have join me in this blessing, because you are the ones digging not me, then they pull out. There
geiger counter is in there all the scientific device
is to measure things and their self and yeah their cell phones and there
talking about the radiation, that's being admitted in this area
Oh, my gosh! This is terrible, we're getting hit with so much radiation here and now and then
talking about how the radiation is coming from, the earth are coming from the sky and that's why they're shooting the rockets up, but there's
what's called rate on gas. I mean you own, a home with the basement. I mean every house you by. They suggest that you do a raid on testing and
your counters not going to detect rate
gas, but it will detect radioactive
articles in the air and, if you're out.
On the side of a mountain, that's been eroded and scraped off,
wind and dust is blowing around in your geiger counter. Is gonna detect something
and as soon as it detect something, instead of just
thinking well, maybe I'm in an area that has a lot of radon gas or radioactive power.
calls admitting from the earth they ghosts
the aliens they go
to this is totally
completely unexplainable and it must be aliens- and that's
kind of my problem. With this whole thing erin, it is, it's always aliens right, where's that
his aliens birds out
they use animals as bait.
and they shall write the alpacas that
the curious choice to me because people,
of those animals right?
and now you're using them as bait to maybe get killed, are eaten nor centre. A portal seems kind of weird and.
You know there's something that happens with this. Show that happens with the oak island show and and a lot of these types of shows where they'll
say: okay today we're gonna get them.
Things were to do this and whether its digging or black,
sing something or setting
cameras. You know in a certain area that has a lot of activity where it is they do that once
and then as soon as they fail or its not working
and then like guy. Well, we tried, I realize,
As with a show you can't get to the bottom of things, mostly
because if there is some
to be found.
it takes a lot of work and you can't
is try something once for ten minutes for a half hour, whatever it is and say: well, we tried brunette
to do this other thing. Next now you have to get a plan
going and you have to see it through, but they
do that on. These shows, because
the fund is not right. Well, I mean people have
attention spans in,
people who are really gonna. Stick with you who don't care, if you
I really they just
I urge you to go to the next thing, because, if its not working out right away, then let's try something else. We will get something here
It's a goes, hunting show or a big foot hunting show or this right
show it's always
we're doing these scientific experiments to gather evidence, but the first
of a scientific experiment is a control group and
can tell me all the history of this house, that's hunt and they go in with europe,
ps or whatever you know your little detectors and tell me how the house is haunted, improve europe, your own, I policies,
You can tell me that there's radiation coming from the ground at this ranch, but what's the control,
go twenty miles down the street and do these same readings go to the house next door that didn't have any one murdered in it and do the same things and then tell me how how it works out for you, because that's just
science, one or one here. This is just basic stuff: gimme a
troll group near, but that's not really the purpose of this. So I think
Really, if you wanna be nice about the show, because I'm a obviously some people love it, but I think it's me
of just the work.
king around in this area, that year curious about so you're getting to see the area and where
poking around we're going to dig some holes, we're going to show you some simulations of what may have occurred. What people saw whatever it is, that's enough for people in there
guard if their entertaining people than that's? Really, I guess that's. Ok, that's what people wanted
for those people at wanted answers. Well, I guess
answers are whatever you want them to be, and ultimately they have appropriated
native american beliefs and culture, and then
it into exploitation to make money.
That's what it is at the end of the day I mean they could name
ranch something else, but they don't because they have to run with that, because it's the it's the catch, it's the it's! What get.
people watching and it's what is known as but in a light
we started with this. Has nothing to do with native americans. Did this
really the you could just call alien ranch. I know
whatever it is, because it it's nothing to do with the actual skin walker belief. It just seems ridiculous and exploitive to me. When I see the show when I hear about this right,
changing hands and then the next family herb owner talks about
for that, and I remember like
the amityville whorehouse same
a deal. Finally
a buyer, he said: hey this place, isn't
There is something wrong here, so I look at
the bigelow under an brandon fuel- and I think
for them. Just came in with the sole intent of
relying on this and they had no interest in the actual and in anything
making money. Why think there's some
entertainment value here too, is ice
and some time, reading, reviews of the show and its knee reading,
views from people who actually are, who are
well experienced with something say: drilling
hearing them review the drilling aspect to the chef
I know it's it's kind of fun,
but I think this
Like anything else, I, like, I said, I'm a sceptic. I dont really
leaving any of this stuff. But you know I have my
I am especially when our bell was talking about it were. I would tuning, I would listen, because
The stories are interesting in our way,
people start describing things they have seen you our
and tell myself,
when they saw really, but it's probably not real, but then
my own story, just remember, I gave my story on one of our past.
No story episodes, rice or something
I can explain, I dont know what it was, but a few
ask me if you had a bad
everything you own m is this: is this really a craft or region
being something that in it was a really there. I would tell you, I'm pretty sure I saw craft and
I dont know what it was
They didn't even look that fancy. In fact, it's probably more
can to a tab.
shining tik tok here,
What I saw flying through the air but
that she said there are things that
been seen by navy pilots or by people. They can't explain it they.
I can tell you what we heard about it, but they
tell you what it is, and I think that's it.
it's one of those things about life. Is we can't know everything, but we do know that this has become a series on tv. If you want an explanation well, it's a show.
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