The show severely wounded and, in my case, unaware of the meat eater podcast. You can't predict the with everybody out trying to get a big port shoot. A bigfoot dude wrote in the he cancelled his ghillie suit order, and he includes foods a photo of the ghillie suit he was fixing to get to the famous patterson fill the big foot walk and by duty? Gillies is dead ringer smart move.

Another guy wrote in with a correction about snakes. We are talking about this. Special new snake got discovered from mexico and it was like, if you about this pete just to recap so years ago, some guys killed a snake in it's belly was an unknown species of snake and it turns out it's it's own, not only it's own, an undescribed species It was an undue genus awhile, and I was point now I'm worried about how I had two packers. Now a snake guys Biologists guy wrote in what we call those fellers Herbert taluses, snake biologists, snake feller, snakes, four hundred snigger value ass. You call it up your ass, you what they call people to packers now now, but, like me, known, exceed our just write and mileage is at tomorrow's. What is it?

the cryptology herpetologist. Did I say that first cursed injury may stick the guns on a roll one roll anyways? He said this guy has sensory, says most podcasts these these generalizing here most podcasts, that mentioned snakes, have mis information. For example, all snakes have two packers, oh well, so wasn't as special a snake, is not as special as I thought that you know that you're honest. I did not know that. I didn't know that either that prior to rename, what's the point of the second one yeah, I dunno- oh it didn't. He said. This part of that humanity at him said it. matter, the orientation of the snakes there are capable of breeding. I is the point that the two,

Oh nice, you know it's good idea. They can only be oriented so many ways and on so is there a naked man they get all wrapped up, capable from all directions. Feel like all the jokes were made about two packers last time is now less funny. It's way less funny, yeah yeah! No, it's just a normal class It's about snakes are sitting there, thinking how stupid, how stupid this jokes aren't funny them. So nobody's found the species of snake alive just dead, and this one is here's the thing. The only did the genetic work on it. What it was, I think they found in the seventies. Oh well, they did the work on it forty years later, but the assumption is still there somewhere that it gets a ground dwelling snake that maybe feed on insects. Guy wrote from France, he says bon jour, who can do a good one, but you you're a year's noggin. No, no I've been there. I've been there. I feel, like I feel, like cow, can do it did it go hit it Gail, bosu balls, you

I tell inflection, etc beauty in the bees for him. That's very nice here: It says that he likes to hunt. He says here: you're hereabouts we like to hunt thrushes of thrush. He says it's, the top of the top to eat now or robin your typical red breasted. Robin is a thrush. It's a thing made in europe to eat a lot of songbirds, weird like in ITALY. They hunt lot of songbirds yeah, but they they've also like eradicated many many species you did. Their varied takes one only the normally yeah, and so at some point. There allay. Nor are not trust me, oh robins are delicious I think they're eaten them. You know that four and twenty blackbirds begum in a pie- yes philbin in the you know the egyptians eight little birds I mean. There's you know there's It's that took our failure, eaten birds, but just because they ran out of things to eat, or they definitely did that

they are eaten at all. Now, a lot of it's gone are still eaten little birds yeah and we just have cars. Like the you know, the we have rules that made that not the case, but I'm sure once upon a time here here you can eat english barrels, jev, eaten cars or non native starlings, which have eaten native In street pigeons, yeah they're they're in there are recipes out there for crows to help there's a season on crows. But if you know you read that guide level deans on one in one of his books, he touches on growing up in france and he had this killer childhood growing up in this old castle in france, but he talks about like the coaching culture and the hunting culture and and yeah. There are a lot of work very well known.

poachers out there that were able to kind of hold their heads high because it was like such a game to go out, but they would like. Dragnet fields are ground. Nesting birds: basically, it was like almost like running a human powder powered saner, almost where it's like guy, sits there and then they're like pivot around the field and as these birds flush at night, they're coming and in their nat and then they just go straight from there to the markets in parallel, really yeah a schofield talks law, but all the birds he's. Even the breakdown of all the different little bird, songbirds and stuff, like what they're good forward with these and for what, you know what the migratory yonder's somber protections she's its own avons here.

a father always told me that downey's north carolina they used to track line robbins, oh wow, for for eaton day. What when I was growing up, we tried to there's a kid down the beach from us who his parents call him. J t and J t one day was trying to catch robin and were debated with a worm baited hook, and ah that is what we call it. The time percent? Is he set so he set his hook so aggressively that without the friction of the lion pass through the water that hope came back and nay to write the ira, because you know you like you, suddenly underwater, not allow happens, but on land where J t did he have scar, they lose eyesight points that do the nose beheld

Now that seems to be a historic time. Another story: do germany, so speaking, a speaking two fellows in foreign countries, but do Germany sends a big waved. Men shall wait what's that they, like a middle finger, await my child I lost my child. Fifa goes away. Tell you I d, I'm a n n s, age e r, l he's a big wadman child. What does the german they also

I admit that it be like via the value and shields about I'm gonna. Try now this bears and not a mile may have fought and whisky whisky too in the european theatre, never forgave the germans when he was when he would point out one. When pressed on this, he would point out he would he knew how to say. I love you and all the languages, many languages, and it say it. You know if he put his good, have a shine on its lead we're just version of I love. You know like beautiful bike, but in german academia yeah like what kind be wrong and even say I love you and a good sounding way. we're talking about man that shot at him too many times this due from germany, he says, as a former former german infantry officer and passionate honor.

The isa how we talk about its safe handling practices- and you know that using your safety and you're gonna want not like that. This is very surprising to hear american hunters talk about this. I think a big part of the world is under the impression all americans, have a cowboy mentality. carrying around cocked and chamber gonzalvo, you did it job, bringing light into the dark and fighting the prejudice that american hunters are careless, so big Varden. She figured out yeah, it's a hunting term original remain to congratulate a hunter on his success in the field roper, though you'd have to start learn how to pronounce it. You start using that. I know coop hold on and listen. Oh they're going to says: oh that's great

yeah. My coma has since been used. You go you think it would. Let me see how it said: vitamin snails That's it that's not include close parchment child anyways that urban in a word it as its jobs, they would lose its victims. segue way in order that a guy wrote say that man, it does he says it destroys the subway point out sideways It's like this that there's no longer a segue you've made it not as if you killed. I have watched this segues like you've, just negated. He he equates. It knows what he's trying to put it in language that I would understand, and he says, let's say snuck up within twenty yards of an hour and then yelled look out because I am now. I ve really did

that guy. Now I feel I give you say: it's a transition crusades. If you're going to make that statement, it make put more pressure on it, so you have to be better at EL It's your game. I don't agree with them at all, but I just want to give. I don't want to be fair. It is a is a. Is it's obviously a smart guy as wanted to let him know that he's heard and I get it, but but it's he'd have to take another stab at make a convincing in and out we're we're trying to have fun around here, and I think that that oh, he thinks there's fun to be had. He just thinks you should have a little ally and you can keep track the track and then later you can revisit after the segways have served their purpose of seamlessly without drawing attention into the transitions, then later you you'd be like did you notice, earlier yet or the next episode, Michel rocard, italian she's doing techno than the next episode we could say so. Last week, the eba

developed, threeg, sideways wondered eyes, had tears, yonder folded, nobody had turned down getting our whole separate sake. Wake him any that gives the vote on each. who has a slick, sequitur, sanguine net couple guys wrote about this thing. H be twenty five. The bill in hawaii do about this. Prohibit you from keeping in hawaii, prohibit you from keeping a firearm or ammo in your hotel room. in the whole, damn state hm, which for travel and hunter, creates a lot of problems, a lot of groundwork for law enforcement. It creates a lot, problems. I mean how that can be enforced, disliked individually with some exclusion. So I don't even know how to deal with that, But I ever think, like some guy he's like like the to a plan and out a crime and causes bodies, I die, I will do that crime after all, because, as read

I can't hear all right come on I went to school here in Montana, at m s: u in bozeman and in the dorms they had a gun locker and as an eighteen year old. Freshman in college, you could walk in to the front lobby of the dorm and hand over your shock a duck on a latin. My freshman year college we're walking into my dorm and handing over my twelve gauge over the counter to the resident. Yeah whoever's run on the shoulder and they locked up areas that still a deal at montana's. How old is the rattler? Is this sort of resident the ouray, the area but yeah? I was handled and I was handing it over to like a twenty or in a dorm room situation, correct yeah, very similar to a hotel, though that's like, if wouldn't, if you were ten of a twelve year old, was your babysitter yep those with this thing and say: where did the driver nate supposed to leave it out your car, it's better to put like if you try to drive it like having it not fall into someone's hands? Yeah yeah

what you ever in high school when they brought in the rule that you couldn't have guns on camps and I'll run. My trap line, for school, so I kept toilets and I get her. I had one of those twenty gauge twenty two over and then everybody owned miles, marlon that little thumb thumb cocker thumbs lacked around it there, barrels and he'd always mess out of the car jump off either twenty two or like you do whatever is best. That thing was a lot of trouble by loved it, but I remember that rule comes into place and I go marched down to the principal's office the taller woodbine. That was good for you. Do you think I don't worry about it? dogs are like oh yeah. We usually find yeah times have changed. Did they explain exactly what they are trying to stop? Is it something after the the vegas shooting like their trip? He didn't.

only one yeah that doesn't mean they weren't, like oh yeah, bring them all sure, didn't ask the front desk version, but yeah I dunno what I dunno. What's it just seems, I don't understand it. It seems like a nother long law unless urgent waiting people, as you think, you're putting people bad position. speaker that a lot of people, a lot of people wrote in about just talking about like safe handling practices in general and one game, steady hands with his in laws in his in laws. are almost antagonistic toward ah what he regards as like pretty standard, safe practices and he's got to the point where he's got to the point where he doesn't even like to be around him and he can't bring it up like hey. You know, let's follow some safety protocols here and there, like they shoot down, is a danger that the basement,

well, another guy wrote he says I travel to west virginia for the holidays to visit with my moist family and hunt with her great uncle. Now her great uncle is eighty. His name is jack. This when this eighty year old do was a little kid. He rob home with his uncle in Iraq, runs off. He doesn't get a crack at it in will chastises him for having if you weren't, using the safety you to have gotten the shot off. So then he goes from. The nineteen fifties to present day refuses to use a safety wall because of that one getting bas getting his balls busted by his uncle all those years ago and then this uncle, the uncle the chastised, the kid for not getting shot off at the rabbit's he's using the safety is out. Coon huntin

and come morning? He hasn't return, so they said people out, look form search party goes out and that the the grandpa right or the great uncle the eighty year old, dude named jack, who is chastised as a boy he's part of the search party that goes out to find the uncle who chastise him for using his safety and sure enough he's laying there dead. Dogs run around school hounds run around by his side and from the way of was laid out. It seems as though he might have leaned has gone against a tree or in one of the dogs triggered it knocked it over or something Oh, I remember going out the group of guys all this when I was young young and it was one of those situations where you're kind of setting up everybody sets up around a big canyon mouth, that the l could disappear into and you're just kind of posting up waiting for Alex to come out. Hopefully on your

you're part of the canyon where you get posted up as they they start coming out to feed at night and I'm the youngest guy by at least ten years, and you know you're all sitting there and I Relatively small I ran here like Somebody out some of the highest good, gotten dives out organic got picked up and all got something somebody got something like the young excited kid like we were very whereas it, whereas it, whereas it Oh you know what I didn't didn't didn't shoot. Anything when my gun went off gives you I was all set up, was even look at it and and add grab the gun and the trigger must snagged and. went off and am I was a fool or do you have your gun on safe red,

the kid right out, a hundred safety and the guy. Please tell me in front of everybody. Well, you know ryan when you're in a really safe situation. It's ok to put around in safety and all the other goals are just catholic and then, like assumes, the group breaks up. My my buddy Larry grab me like K part dugard tells rounds, go off all the time to get near that guy yeah, I could see the I can see the not like, like our general practice of not chambering around until things get real gamey. I can see that some people are like not going to buy into that, but the idea of that safety issue whoa Are we asking for trouble me? How could you? How could somebody make the point? firstly, with everybody, I read Jaeger in their triggers these days

Are these super ha opportunity to guiseley in it's zero point? Eight pound trigger really that's it just as we had a backpack come into stone, glacier warranty situation gives. Send it any set up a hunting accident? Please fix this if you can and it looks like a dog at chewed up on his back there. Well, a lot of holes. That kind of like at first glance, teeth marked back almost did you dog backpacks pretty normal for dogs at europe packs and it is actually get blood on them, picked out and bribed number one number one direction of taxes. But really I will impact warranty game is dogged. You absolutely. My kids, wanna doggerel battling to tell us in California. Act back years was our backpacks. So I call you so what happened? first up- those dark chewed on his back back music. Honestly, as our group, certain with my wife, my wife leaned, her twelve gauge against it, knocked at over twelve gauge falls.

Over goes off peppers. My backpack really in lit up as backtrack shattered, the carbon stays inside of it and just put all these little tiny micro holes all throughout the frame and bag a home. With that I Interpreted as dogged by its but turn I was a shock and other states like every after, like everybody has actually discharge story, a word of advice, you hear someone. You know it's not that it's not all that uncommon standing in the vortex booth churchill here two days ago and they have a scope, in one of their, you know, vortex vip, warranty, rat, Yeah if you can find a shard they'll, send you new scope, oh yeah yeah, and at here's, this scope and through the bell of the scope, is a bullet hole. Yes, all my girl. What's the story, well, it turns out a guy had shot his guns. No, it has taken this

you got sent in by a retailer rat again store owner and somebody had come in with a firearm and ask somebody who can to check it out and at and nobody during the course of this check to see in a loaded, a loaded firearm into a sore, and they put it on the it guy ends gains a shooting. The fuller riflescopes nice see that's sort of like what, with the safe handling nets, for the part comes where, like a whole power, bots muzzle control. Yes, if there was no question, did nothing accidental with ever happen, then you wouldn't have the extra layer of like the reason don't sweep year muzzle around is because of the very real possibility that there are ways in which you could have this narrative gun like never pointed anywhere

Which, which is an acknowledgement of you, never know yet and it all then the other stuff is all layered over that with the fundamental idea of like where is it pointing in case the unspeakable or herself? They came up with me recently like. If you mount your stone, glacier has like a rifle mount on their packs. Yes, most pack companies will make like a little rifle. Sling mount your pack and, while that's great, I feel like I want to know my shoulder, because if it's just on my pack and it's mounted behind my shoulder and I have no control the muzzle as I would if it was slung over my shoulder, I can bend over to go under a tree. I can duck down to is a five hundred with somebody. I have no control over my muzzle other than where my body goes yeah. I still like those things, though I like it they're comfortable. I was kind of jealous on a recent hunt of the folks that had them, but then you can see like when you're crawling through some brush or you're dicking around well, you're, you're, now, wherever you're

well yeah your shoulders points where your barrel point. That's good boy, lots of dudes wrote it hasn't it at fleet yeah? Recently, eighty two gun were and in some rifles and a fellow was using my rifle and never used my rifle before and the three position safety. So I was explaining the three position safety, but this particular one is aftermarket, and so it's not caught. If you don't have it,

exactly in the middle position. If it slide a little bit forward out of that position, it's actually live right, so you gotta be very careful if you'll use the middle position of the safety that it is in that middle position and he had been handling the gun and then he came over to me and we hadn't started shooting yet, and I assumed very wrongly that the gun was unloaded, and so I went we went to. I went to explain to him how it worked with it pointed in a safe direction. Important is a interaction and I flipped it forward to that. To that spot, where the gun will go off and I said see, watch this I touched the trigger bow For yang surprised, I take full responsibility, because, even though that person you can say how you can say well, no that person had every right to have that gun loaded. He was about to sit down at the bench and start shooting right, and I personally thought I was going to

It started messing around with guns and now had a loaded one, and I was going to another person. I'd say: hey bro! Is that one in the chamber here, but it's still up to the personal touches that trigger Absolutely you know that's we're talking about with guys that you can stand there in front of them jacket and handed to him. He just sold his right back. Objects of growth. That is all I wanna get ideas has it I'd like you to be much better about it. We have been guides open them up in order to show, and then I'd stick my pinky in there to see if I could feel one in own case for some your eyeballs, for we are always figured my rifle. I think it is just definitely ready the edge I quote of this, but I always I find myself even in hunting situations when I flip the safety off and getting ready to shoot something I'll say like going hot. Even if no one else is there I'll go alive going hot, because I'm just so used to everytime. That said, flips off- and I know that about the san juan downrange, I always in my brain- is going hot,

go and live. I found myself after somebody shoot somethin repeatedly, as in our region worked up and excited got, some are: are just grill people gun, unloaded, yeah get on safely. We do that. We are asking in two minutes where you re going to still. Our motive is every object up everybody's excited to go, get dear whatever it is it's very easy to rack another one handling and the gun never gets put on saved second nature to reload it as you're thinking about a follow up. Yeah, that's a time when I hear like this in our circle that when you get up to something everybody's, getting ready to do whatever and you're going to start skin and there's a lot of verbal checks around,

I have a lot of verbal checks around safety. I got one on that. I wasn't here for this, but a buddy of mine growing up y'all. I remember the night disc rifle that was out for a time. It had a muzzle order. You put a shotgun primary and a little orange disk and then that load that in and then the hammer no crack that night, but it does. If the first time in this he was out of the body's skin in the deer gutting a deer- and he was you know, had its legs splayed open, he was in the middle gotten and his body was coming over. To check cause walked up to check is check the boxy, how big it was leaned over and the guy felt the the muzzle of the gun like in his back oh god and his liver. Oh, he turned around to be like because the guy was leaning over him to look like this and had his had the gun pointed down at his back. He wasn't paying attention the hammer drops, he just didn't, have a disc didn't, have a primer in the muzzle or got very lucky if he would have had a prior muzzleloader. The dude have been dead right there and then heard this heard. The hammer drop

I heard the snap of the hammer and turned around to see a dude there with a gun g going into his liver. Like point blank range mia, and in coworker allow people stone glacier gotcha. the guts when he was a kid by a real a green horn. Hunter yeah LAO grew about mister works out in wyoming and they took a buddy out and introduced him to hunting and I dunno. If they are, a butcher. The story vow of their hunting, rabbits or whatever they are doing, but I believe it was a small calibre rifle like a twenty two in by the end of the horrible story. Lao had twenty two bullet in his guts, really it's a well man shot the forties yeah with shock on right. Someone shot him, the foot hunt rabbits, but I'd never even like it's funny, because I'd never even seen like a close, I mean I haven't been around. Even the click close call. God you hear about me. It's scary keeps stuff malls or control

all every one of those problems, safety, first lots Gary every sorry. every two left is such every way about happened like it's loaded, every guns, loaded yeah, the gun club ace belong to you in washington there like that some major general's principles or whatever will they enter a as a safe gun handling laws? Don't point at anything, you don't always loaded, don't point at anything. You don't intend to shoot and never put your finger on the trigger to fire yeah interesting hard hard to mess help of those three rules. It rules out loud they're, pretty everyone followed their. We wouldn't have to converse. I shot one of those remington's one time I remember what make or model of a gun this is, but does remington's when you flipped him from a fire safety to fire. When the order there are only two seven hundred years avenues that dvd. I was trying to shoot a fox on cardiac one day and guidelines.

as far as I two hundred yards away and I flipped from safety to fire boon, Gondwana. And then cared not yet finger on it. No, I did not touch the triggered at all that there is, if it was nor am I seven hundred- have deeply showers, shall see, got a lot of people if there was a defect in how those years ago, raymond yeah four or five years ago. This is two thousand and thirteen, and I'm like oh lots of people, wrote in about dear crawling

retards about a guy that was saying. I watched the deer crawl on his knees across a power line cut our bodies. Steve Jones, is a wild game. Chef very good one. I mean Jan eva fed off his gherkins hulu gets to do that again, good dude. He says now he he he says he similar cs. Three. Does three antlerless deer cross the power cut on his farm, the spellers from Missouri, two of them cross normal and yet as normal as any other deer, the third and largest, when she crossed the cut she crouched down and slunk across the cut?

What pausing or stopping once she got across she stood back up and walked away like any other deer. She was moving quickly enough he's. Like I'm positive, she was not walking on her knees as one guy that wrote in to say he saw a deer walking on his knees. It was just a deep crouch and it looked extremely weird and definitely appeared. An attempt to reduce visibility. Another guy wrote in and said another guy roared and said he flat out watched a buck crawl on it's knees. They were making a deer drive and he's he looks back and his dad's coming through and he watch a box go down and cry his knees for seventy five yards right in front

No one ever believed him. Somebody he heard us talk about. He says about drove off the road yeah. I was wondering thinking about this the other day as wondering why the deer cross. Why would a crawl across the power line it's wide open? What do you know? There's lot of the brushy power cause of brussels, they're, typically cup they're, typically brushy. I was thinking like okay, because all second growths of regeneration minute. I was just staying and keep a low pro, and they know that people are always perched up on as that's one thing, I've purged of our lives. We have shared a lot of turkeys, yeah. It feels turkey under parallel yeah. We got Thirdly, this spring of order. Those super loud power lies there really like home to you that I try to get the fees for this house's nature electricity's. But that's it things like it's one of those

power cuts. One of those weird things were tipping point. Like of any activity of man is negative, but if you, if you live in some poor- and I grew up in some poor low grade, Poor S, soil country, where the typical like, like a forest, there condom matured in two. sandy soil and economy, matured and alike. Small white pines in pushing, though scrub oaks like now rich place, but power cuts what edge habitat man dx created a created brush and he created edge habitat because you've got the woods most places. You look two hundred yards just not a lot of cover, so power cuts like as a fur trapper uti dude you get as excited about a power cut, as you did a river

Things travelled on power covered a lot of fox on power, cuts cake if they can hunt the brush and there's usually like a little rode down. So it gives like it. again aerial that runs down through the brush and everything would run upon, Well, yeah. I know a lot of guys that are put a tree stand up and see a power cut, put a tree stand up or yeah edge. Habitat is a break, a break and southern and a travel corridor. Will that deal? That was carlin was not a thoughtful guy might be in a tree, so he could see down either weigh whether I crawl or not, it's hard to say how much deer thought about it. But it is noteworthy and I just want to acknowledge, like I have a hard time, picturing it by law of knowledge that there's people out there debating this point. The follow up to an eyes is explained this one, the ohio, a guy, shot a gigantic way: tail ohio, to twenty eight them. Two hundred twenty eight inch bark twenty six points

as the world record one that was as I was. I was those three twenty three debt is the poacher. A portrait, I'll slowed, different and eat it watch crazy stuff, like he had a dough and you like cut ones, dears head off trial, like another dear. He had all kinds of stuff shady shady was nike messed up and made a mistake was like he was, he kill. The bark saw big buckshot big bar try to switch obeys heads around star, like super guilty super guilty, I guilty seamen stuff. It gets a fine, it's twenty thousand doubtless the amish guy. That's right. They ever like to point out the brothers out before me. Come on the taliban. Scribbler if you'd better this without a big party right where you know, sir, don't clothing lily. They

it is not available for car. I think it's like a book. It's like this. They didn't. I responded text myself if I would raise less racist, because this delicate racial thing, but it's like a prejudice. People everyone's, like amish man, the headlights, amish man, would never be like I have just made it had a castle. Everything I say out tell you what is going on through mountain land attacks in other of the mound lion attacks and in washington last year and young I'm searching through Google, and they're all the exact same story, but one headlines, I feel purely in order to make it stand out a little bit more is instead of cyclists, attacked by an mountain. with cyclists attack by the regulation. This gap in getting this best, the antis,

yeah! I don't get like. I don't know. Irish might be more of a discriminatory. You picture what he might look like. I know, but I have been like a little bit on comfortable with us a conference with north play in india anymore. It's feeding in do now. I agree. May I have your you liked it, but it's a big dynamic, but it's just makes you like slightly in cold water, not be just a poacher stir like you, David worse, keep a low profile- maybe maybe they're noted I don't know never do These are the exact stare its socket of, and I know that's when I say it, but that's what I'm saying why someone with say well,

you wouldn't believe it wasn't just any powder, brick and honours irish guy. Was you wouldn't believe it s? No good. You know it. You know the parable. The good samaritan, though well villages, Meredith's marin's were known as horrible people, so people eyes like what saying is a good bad guy yeah these guys. The spirits are the worst of the worst against the lions, so yeah black people don't realize. That's part of it. Like the samaritans that a very bad I gather, although I hope, I'm not offending the spirits out there had a real bad reputation and it those like the fact that one turns out. good, real surprising. So when you say that, amish poacher, I don't love you saying like these pillars of virtue, before it just goes to show you how certain religious people,

So we are talking about or notice, are somebody's road in to explain how they had come up with a twenty eight thousand dollar fine, which is good story yeah. and in an I try to get a hold of the legal? arm and overhead ohio game fish. So you cause you p that's where you down from aviators triangle, call cindy I couldn't get answer on- are quite that they have a formula on how they figure out. How much too fine a purse and use in its exponential to the size of the antlers? The formula is grow score. My It's one hundred! That's the part that gets go ahead and finish me too. Yeah got to the second power times a dollar and sixty five wow. So as to that, so this block was twenty something yes take: hundred off yeah you

a hundred or the square that number. I sit a buzzy, five love the sentiment and observance of a good swear by dont get the part about was a lake with taken a hundred off. It might be, like bats, big fine. How can we make it less and cells Let's take a hundred off then square was very critically by EL. To this cause. That's that's how they calculated, though figure out where they were where it came from my word of the dollar. Sixty five come from, I'm I'm sure. As a repeated its gross score minus one hundred then square that number weird times are: sixty five allows it. So, for example, we know that at two hundred and thirty inch dear gets you about twenty eight thousand dollars from it. Actually I did the math to thirty ended up being at twenty seven, eight, because there are some add ons yeah, so

as you say, you're not that lucky of poetry to get into two thirty, and are you two six hundred fifty age? and they start at one twenty five in ohio, that's where they can best one trophy stars: oh, so that's what it's like a different kind of potent yeah. I like this system, ma'am! I think, of a dude of a guy like shot if a guy shadow spike This is the isle of man is like that. I don't know I'm. I could go on making any kind of violation reporter, but it's got it. Poachers trophy class. Stop in my mind, is a different kind archer guys ocean for it, but I feel that this might be encouraging folks, just spikes bill. Ok, that's bikes worth in another. We ve given the floor. Publishers of guys, I've got a gate, run it out, but he's utilization hierarchy. Twenty two twenty eight and are you sure you require you came?

tractor ranges from the votes at an egg it all. I think this date pays you at that point over. That's gotta, be what it is We all know what it is, because this the rest, the two should the trophy restitution doesn't kick in until it gives to certain sat right. This is in a mean. The way this is set up is that animal has been that belongs to the state has been to the people of the state has been casting the people. nay money as it grows rat now and by the time it gets into a trophy class animal. It has lived much longer and eaten much more and it has a greater cultural value. That's the thought, the tried to recall.

The grass the thing for me- and you say that while I read it may marian, is really expensive. Oh ok, I got a word of writing a lot of talking about his data. They die. No not really have advanced to the state. Justify varies with its expensive to the state. It takes work, effort to have it because they re evaluate out dear, can become three four or five years old debts, as happens not by accident, arrogantly committed it'll, allowing it to happen, and you just screwed the whole. and put it allowed weeks ahead, is logical, repay and real good money by and licences, paint least fees and put not tree stands and also robbed. Everybody of that and now you're going to pay. What? If you showed? What, if issue to do, it's probably different set? If you don't get that you still get nine rested like trophy restitution, but then also, I think you ve come here. You correctly steve year also like,

the odds of a man who is poaching because he is he or she. I suppose these poacher is poaching because they are starving to death. And I am happy to come up with a two hundred and thirty seven inch dear dear. If you're lucky, real real unlucky yeah? I like purse, I see both sides of it. I'd be like. Oh, it's poaching is poaching, it doesn't matter. I see that. I also see that if you're out trying to poach trophy class animals, it's just a worse like all crime is relative. If it would make sense to me if there's like the baseline punishments- and this is just an extra add on in case you're in in case- that is bigger than or scale, words bigger than one hundred and twenty five inches that yeah well, the the exponential you know the squaring really does a lot, because the one hundred and fifty incher only costs you four thousand. Oh man, yeah, they don't want you getting them.

What Boehner's, yeah, though, would just even on like the the poacher, because you're starving to death example read. Even if you are poaching for big ass trophy class animals likely not going to be your first foray into the poaching field and you're coming up with a two hundred and thirty seven inch bug. Even if you are dad sat on a big trophy class. Critter you've probably got some real potent under your belt. By the time you come up with one of those yeah you've actually got good at it. Yeah that's an interesting subject here, one that makes its own gravy too. Here's another poaching case it makes them gravy. Get over this you're forty, that guy ass don t make hog jerky without getting trick. Gotta get up tat man churn.

when I got reported when I did when I got trick analysis. Ah, it's a cdc, reportable disease. He had to go down and they and I was reported in king county and the guy got it before me- got it two thousand and seven. He got it from outland jerky, oh cause, if you're not bringing up the temp you're, not destroying still not destroying this. So if you make it just like, if you take a trick positive me in your area,.

Or drying it at one hundred degrees, not good enough. You're still you're still susceptible to get trick. Some soon he'd stock and wild hog jerky yeah you gotta bring it up. I haven't made a whole lot of bear jerky, but when I have we just do it in the oven and and and stuck it in the oven at two hundred for long time, just to get it up to temperature know where you got to think about, and the answer is yes you can he saying? Let me he says: can you make hog jerky without getting trick? that my answer would be well that that that's that's utterly out phrased. Certainly there s plenty of piazzi advertisers, yeah data. Can you now? If you said, can you haug jerky be certain, you will not get trick, then the answer is no candidate.

Jerk without getting trick. I'm sure it's been done is that a good idea, though, is not a good idea, because you are not killing the game most widely used just end up with a little. Moreover, cooked jerky thing like to have yeah yup. The cover is not as good as jerkin and dried was the special number forty killed her denounces one sixty one sixty two sixty areas We had a debate with someone where they're saying I was saying you gotta cook Avellino that you know of anybody get trick from Avellino and I had to acknowledge that. No, I don't will they they're like omnivorous yeah, they eat all kinds of meat I've, actually man yeah I've eaten that it has to be a possibility I'll be cooked. I've eaten undercooked hobbling before I mean like not undercooked, but under one sixty I'm sure the managers make sure to take that up as good as it gets.

As a major issue from a have outlined its been, it's been linked to walrus. Aware wild pig, We are while exert. Why wouldn't mount lions carry it? It's not like it's just the pork thing. No mount lines carrier wolves they all this stuff, even like, like weasels rat mice there's no way that I have Avellino which go and eat a dead dog. If you let letter as exempt from this is not getting it so there's no there's no ungulates that carry now that I know of no. No even wait till you have now been proven birds out of their nests and ass, all yeah feeble scene. It. So you wonder just raise and wonder fair word if you got a deer out and you kid I feel a little bit of it all a little bit further come on our success. I shall I tell I viewed in europe, even our even our dear onboard.

Okay, here's here's! Here's a here's, a potent case that this is the one that I think makes it's gravy makes it's own gravy in the way it's been covered is annoying for okay. This is a tricky one. It's a tricky one, so does the guise of prince William, sound and, and they kill a blackbird of it's den and kill some cobs out of the debt. Now couple of things that are interesting, one,

They, this den, is under surveillance by fishing game for a study. So these guys do it all on camera eggs. Ah, so there's no doubt about guilt here to get them on film. Doing this. The one thing that's interesting is they kill the of a black bear, sow and kill some cubs, but then butcher the butcher. The sow for meat and haul off the meat, but then later decide to come back and get the cups these guys get hit with some heavy duty.

The fines up to a twenty thousand dollar fine jail time, and then they lose a ton of stuff right down to boats or trailers guns all kinds of stuff in this I'm looking at this, this publication called the hill, and this is where this thing starts to make it's gravy, so these guys get humongous find in this thing confuses this rule. that we've talked about a ton of times, which everybody keeps reporting in the most irresponsible way possible where in alaska, there was recently. Under the obama administration. Put some recent some game management practice, restrictions on a refuge lands in alaska, so you talk like,

thirteen percent of the total land mass of alaska is in the refuge system, and the federal government came in had some federal overlays of management practices that could not be used by the state refuge land and they had to do as do it like bear baiting. With den digging up, we dig in black resolve down with artificial light like they banned it, where the state couldn't decide to use management practices on refugee land. Meanwhile state is able to do whatever manager practices they desire on the other. Eighty seven percent of the state and in most cases, do not allow these man don't allow these manager practices so

is a fine example where he hears a guy hunting, not on a refuge. He kills a baroness. It's den goes to jail, gets a massive fine loses all of his equipment loses. His boat loses his guns can't hunt anymore right, not on a refuge land. It's in a place where the state does not allow the killing of cubs so This peace that reports it and they point out, like all that they did. They do so little research. They point out that all it used to be if they tried to make it illegal, but alaska won't doesn't want it to be illegal. It's like no, no exactly. This is alaska, deciding that in this place, that's not legal and then prosecuting the piss out of a guy who breaks the rule keep seeing this narrative pushed in the news that somehow alaska wants just

your words are dig every bear the stay out of it then and kill it. The people will not. No one what will report this responsibly and explain what it is that they're talking about? They keep making a big deal about shooting like oilers, you caribou out of boats that happens in one game management unit on the north slope, where people have traditionally intercepted migrating herds of caribou as they swim across big rivers, so the whole state. You can't there's a place that you can where they feel that is judicious and conform. With their manager policies to do it there, but no like no one will report this properly, as it makes the headline there's a lot of details around their case today that those guys got about a thirty day notice of jail time involved. There was a thirty day sentence, but it was. did maybe the sun was commuted and the fathers was to be carried out. I believe, because it was only gives I

routine. What I have all but father, also falsified, who killed what lied and falsified documents and didn't Is that right, above just after somehow during this exchange, dad wanted to make make it so he had shot the bear, not yeah, not the kids or it was dad's tag that ended up on the sao all really they've got game cash. He said, they've got game, camera footage of of of cheese. All he knows a little bit like a little bit too late. Speaking of the fine thing is that's good. The kid also part of his sentence Just like community service suspended jail time, fines they also sense and to take on our safety. Years, two years now on two years non for that

but what do you do? I mean I just feel like these folks have been living underneath, a rock somewhere. It's like yeah, I mean they're. Obviously they came back today, two days later, to try to clean it up, but they obviously knew what was going on dried it so throw the book at them. I say yup, that's not not cool bro yomi, it's all about the pencil, you guy might get a couple of fines for not poaching but yeah. This is something we should talk bob and meet. I wanted to talk about this yeah. This is a crazy story. Yeah this fella gets a call from his buddies buddy. Who must live on or near lake, and he says: hey man, much deer fell through the ice struggling, so he shows up on the scene from the deer have gotten out, but there's a small bach spike of archy and

Work is still stuck in the water. So, as I already some rescuers their fire department, the egg and they get the buck out and I think, as the story went, there was already some management and wildlife management. Folks there on the scene and the guy volunteers to take the bike home and try to warm it, Nobody says no So I guess there's the box like is not move and right. Just laying there barely breathing, so these figures are stick them in the garage, throw some blankets on him and hopefully get his temperature back up and run out of the garage door. Well, I think he's in the garage for thirty six hours or something and unfortunately dies. Oh, no! Well then, the pennsylvania game commission comes around,

It says you shouldn't have taken that deer. You can relocate wildlife, but it has to be from one wild area to another. You can't take home and keep it alive eyes, looking at fines up to eight hundred dollars. Oh the deer died about that yeah. That's that's very hard to prove because look at where white tails live like That can be as wild as that could do with garage could be just as wild as backyard around yeah. I I would disagree with the garages, while this guy maybe needed to be outside next to the driveway next to the shrubs, and then I see yeah. the pictures of picture like he's, gotta laid out with a boy. He gave a pillow big fella. I've got a pillow, laid out a good child lain there like, like a dear, so you didn't even

have later. I have like what? What did you check? Those ideas? Did there isn't a grudge? The boxes land at his side is heads. Are the pillow? Is a blank strand help in their running? It all boils down to your intention as they thought tat. It would calm now. No, I think I know this like not where he's after no, nobody run laden. One time was he Paul? He fish to fawns to fallen black tales out of the ocean. It pull him up on his landing craft and one died. I think then he had already got wrapped up in a space blanket and god sure wrapped up in another blanket got it. Warmed off and adventure ran off so he'd be like breaking the law but do you like it bring all here's a whole different left turn? Would you do eat at that point? The dear dies, nicaragua, the on the blanket guys got fry, doesn't eatables, guided red area I how

I feel it's respect to the deer that you would eat, rather than just bury it. I'm going to relate pretty So it is a story. I was out antelope hunting one day and found a white tail fawn that had been smoked by a truck and was later mill, the road very wounded. Have making cost, but it's his legs were not broken and with a year of finding this year I had found another fawn that was horribly hip, car alive. All legs broken, I shot the dear put it its misery on the side of the road, and that was horrible experience areas around the seller, one and its legs are not broken, so I did with this pennsylvania, guided loaded him up. Called after vp as it took at home. I have just found this wounded baby dear, isn't that cannot. in your possession. You need to I'll, put it back where you or quickly handed off to some one else. So I took care of for a short period of time and handed it

over to wildlife, sanctuary and hamilton Montana and, as far as I know, dear lived a happy healthy life. I doubt it. Why are you doubt it because they here I've heard for people like? Did they have horrible time deal with wooed dear The third. This thing was heavily can cost like its head was spinning around. Why do you do other than the hip lived? Happily ever after a while, I was around the dear for upwards of a weak and took hit. I, for the love it not really too interesting I thought I saw a good deal of spot the idea, especially after it was like this this. Your headache second chance, because a year prior had put it put down this poor little creature that I can't fix your broken legs in the thing didn't have I did. I finished off very wounded dear on the south. Rodent broke my heart.

and then a year later I was maybe this one has chance. Legs are not broken, and so it made it through the first and, as far as I know, lived happily ever after and hamilton montana and wildlife sanctuary there name it No, I named it little baby road rash because it was scraped up real bad. Really, I'm looking at you totally differently. Now man, I like what I'm seeing yeah, I see them. I look at you, yup The related story that guy, about gallows in idaho and heroes, then do a guy who is from state or from Ohio who's out bullfighting and the guys asking around and he says, he's been hunting. His took us off hadn't seen any wolves. This guy says well I'll, keep my eyes I'll. Let you know what I hear and what I see and likewise let me know if you run into any elk that he's hunting for out of gas in Missouri

not ohio. So he goes out. Hunt Elk, the local goes. Our hunt out gets into a bunch of wolves calls are due from Missouri. The duke tells me man get out to this area. The guy goes out sure enough gets wolf, so he's real happy with this local fella any calls him, and he saying you're, not gonna, believe this. This is the Missouri guy in idaho, calling the local fella you're not going to believe this but we turned I do a bridge and there was a big ball standing on the bridge and this ball jumped off the bridge o day in it. Right now is laying down on the rocks wounded with a broken back, so don't get it yeah. Well, a while later the guy calls the the the wolf hunter calls

The guy back goes, I'm telling you man, we just drove by again and now it's dead on the rocks. This is the big bull and the guy, the the local guy was thinking well, they're, they're from Missouri there's, probably a rag horn. Where do they know, Big bulls for him, his body who still togo to overtake drive over the three hundred and fifty Its allow three the balls lay dead under the bridge- is he's ever had a gruelling. Twenty are pack out, take hold I've seen a video of real visit me was all good. Video of somebody driving their car across a bridge and some rough crazed, white till comes onto the bridge and nowhere to go on it, spills off the side and he executes itself pretty promptly. When I was going to the university of Montana, I can't remember was five or seven mule deer

Got into the park and garage spiraled their way up the ramps to the top of the park grudge. Then all bailed off rolling dead, the pile blow, the partner lemons off the hedge there. the same round. The same time amount lime killed millions stash it against the mechanical building, a better, get it again it's pretty something like this big rock of dragons nicaragua, yours Monti, there's two students that have been thoroughly beaten by weight tales on camp as well He has one girl was walking back from a grisly basketball game on the se. Sports team called the grizzlies can be the only thing that you can but two thousand picturing grizzly bears playing basque society. Yes,

Then, yes, she came round cornered and dark corner of building there on campus and startle the white tailed, though, who had turned into the corner and dim have anywhere to girls who should the dough turned around and proceeded Will this scale into a massive concussion yeah to bed? She still live, yes sparse, and so is the deer what else Diana I got. One. Go through the conversation. Let me ask gases, we pull you guys on a pole, you pulled it finds out how smart people are say: you're looking at a little button, buck speak in a box and you're. Looking at

button, but- and you see how he has like the raised hair were his antlers will be. Do bucks shed that little teensy disk or not. I want to say, are areas required. I am abstaining from this because I know I know the answer now. While I do not know the answer, you know the answer that you know that it's slightly inconclusive, I must say maybe they don't say that they do not say like this. bit off a little scab ass. They maybe they don't, because it becomes part of the base of the political later on so you're saying a little scared. That's my guess here, you're gonna middle ground.

There's nothin. No I'm saying that he's he's going to show spineless orange repeat no. I want to say that a man he's a soft nail with a dupont a heartbeat. What about lion okay, I think I think they shed a little psycho do not shed, I think you're, probably right, but I'm not sure we you're talking about this, because some guy was asking about it and brody was digging into it. Like the particles which begin growing it a couple months of age and buck, fawns provide the base

it's from which the antler will grow there. So the little small haired covered hair covered bumps or is a developing pedicle yeah. They are not antlers like the root, infantile, antlers or actual hardened antlers on a buck. Fawn have not this very tricky. They're saying this is a research was done in virginia? Is it in virginia? They have not been documented, meaning no buck. They don't know of any in Virginia that actually grew hardened antler of a button buck that grew harden antler and dropped it, but it says that they have. They have been reported, and other states that will grow a little deep sea Dnc. They were about to easy easy now give little. We see that little daddy's dead, yet

well. The first set of antlers in a year approximately one year of age, yeah, so you're saying the development of the pedicle is what you're seeing but reported there. fergus trick, although that all abbe the some guys that hey man, I've seen it You knew the answer. Cows. Are you give us the hell? Were you like all this hard core knowhow? Yet it is, it is I understanding that that is the development of the political does not shed, and if some those big bucks made us extra, ensure two on every letter I haven't an over develop yeah, job. You can't meta measure the particle here now I just by looks yet look. Might look yet you guilty

You gotta, you gotta, add there nothing. I often add that get all conclude receive. No, not even a general concluded All I can come up with. One is a time for that: yeah yeah, it's not to go somewhere; no, friday. Man feel about feel that guy, like were what I've was set out to get done, has been got done. I got a good one, Charlie wrote in about one since we got pete here. I think he can help us answer cause. I actually was dealing with this the other day and I was with Snoke call pete and ask him what I should You gotta charlie's wondering how we keep are gearing clothes clean, especially from blood, and how do we keep em odor free, but tricks, and do we have mostly. I was wondering about how to get the blood out of my stone. Glacier pack and packs are a big one for because you believe that ruins the stitching it on don't go bleach in your backpack. Don't use bleach

uses hydrogen peroxide, bad good sense Aggressive aids granted Leave it on rents and it off pretty quick media, like I spray brush, rinse spray brush rids until it's gone our soaker, I get my bathtub full of hot water and an just submerge everything for twenty four hours and then come back with a dish brush and buff it off and then kind of repeat that cycle a handful of times. First keepin blood off your gear. If you dont have blood on your gear not doing right and if you don't smell, he also not trying hard enough so says the nature of of gettin after it cleaning up the simple enough. I think you just I I it and scrub it over and over where the light detergent, yeah marking you and the white tell world prior have different answer for, I think, keeping the stuff.

Review of the white sailor man! This is different in the west is thing said: tat is separate washing machine that somewhere else- and I am sorry that he only is five hundred I wanna white outfit in the mid west have separate changing rooms like sex, clean rooms where you go in as ionizers all you know mounted on the wall and you have a locker with af and you put yourself in a zipper and it's got an ionizer to kill the scent and you're not allowed to go in there after you've eaten. You know I mean you go in there with your hunting clothes, it no smoking cigarette smoke. But in that room nothing and that's, that's that's what they do and that's not I've seen probably more extreme examples of that, though. The yeti panga bags that they're waterproof duffels

quickly? Sealed size are used as a new travelin, thereby were not always aware and her out that's completely non contaminant are uncontaminated. Word is situation, so it was right to do that. Yeah was the the mug asking that question was he was he coming like like? Was he talking about like odor, free for hunting purposes or odor free for just home purposes like he didn't want to stuff all smelly? Wasn't that much context? And here got it sorry, yeah you're? That's I mean that's a regional thing like mid west and in the east, hardcore whitehall hunters are for sure of his eye for western borders that they do go to the same extremely measure. I do this. They certainly do. I haven't invested sent in

eliminating or odor masking things specific to hunting in I mean since easy ten plus years. At this point I still wash I closed the like the scent free deterred. I gave up real hard and I grew up in ohio, hutton, dears and drank that's cool laden. Hard core sent a girl covers growth during your love declared. once I to montana certain hunt delicate can't you were going to sweat, you're going to I'll bet you're, not you not not yet nano quickly. really abandoned, displayed a wind, oh yeah, there's four there's like room and we've. You know Try we used to have a lot of things. We even trolley have an extra clothes. We would like hike in one set of clothes and keep an extra set of clothes and only use those clothes when you're, like total hunt mode

go down to the creek with a bottle of you. We had baking soda in a spray bottle and get crick watered potent an aerial spraying. Everything like none of that no you'd never be like well, I would have got the ball if I hadn't been doing good scent control and none of it hurts. But it's hard to maintain. You just want to get lazy and you want to just or you do a lot and on a back country, I'd say it's almost negligible. I think where you can do it and make it worthwhile, because you have just the luxury of a truck or a trailer is on like a spot at something like that where you're hunting your everyday you're coming back to a camp where, if you wanted to you, could have a separate change of clothes yeah the day, the bulk of the whitetail hunters day hunting and like they're, going from their house to walking out to the trees talking to the treestand. You know from the lease or or what whatever then it seems doable.

cannot be paranoid man. Why not plus you're sitting your stationary in a tree and everything all your scent and everything that you're affecting the environment around you and you basically sit there and watch your effect all day like every time of the year comes in looks I mean that's your keyed in on those effects, whereas when you are spot and stalk is less of that intimacy. When he's trapped, redd foxx, you had to be told he had to be more paranoid than than a paranoid bow hunt. Oh yeah, can you talking about like all the it takes a lot. Last time we did this q and a that I dropped. The one about shooting offhand and a body was watching is a guy was washing his body. Miss a bunch of barks and he's like wandering about shooting rests in the field for an imaginary cause. I have one that is the same, probably different, dormitory this one off this man and you two years there verona,

He and his body have ongoing, quote discussion, so I guess that means an argument by citing the rifles his body thinks. His party, like the sight of his rifle, shoot free hand. because that thats all I need to know so? I'm going with us like saying I'd like to learn to draw says lily, drunk on the side of your rifle to real life, shooting situation. A guy that road. It says that this has to bullshit go over the years. I agree guy right. Wars you're, your guy, close it there are a couple he's going at a body that miss bingley will thereby because he took off hand, shouted a hundred and seventy yards

an offhand find a treebo and later they got back on the buck and rather than taking the time to find a good rest, he tried another option, hand shot and missed again. He tried to convince him to take the time to find a good rest before he shot, but he felt like the buck was going to get away. What are your thoughts on rifle, bipod, shooting sticks and shooting off packs was the best Shooting wrestling feel very different question. I think you need to examine on how much getting away of the whitetail buck did in that scenario, which does it get away more in the scenario at the very least in that situation. If you feel like this box about the crest a hill or is going to do something he's going to get away, find a tree and lean against a tree or do something to to get more stable launches, we'll swing your gun and blast one off like that's a little bit irresponsible. I never even paid attention the yardage is, but man, I have not

taken. I have taken a whole lot of cracks free hand, except for things that are just real, close there go to the rage and just laid out I've taken a restaurant cocktails, my twenty to do I go to the range and lay down prone and shoot a shot. Then then kneel and shoot a shot and then stand up. Freehand shoot a shot and see where, where all three those land guarantee it'll you're going to get further away from your target each time. Guarantee, but I guess I want my money on yesterday in question yeah me, hunters, any five yards off hand is freaking superman. Competitive, and I don't even I think, if most let's say the people in this room, I paid one hundred seventy yards with a with your big game. Hunt rifle you through and Elk out there and Elk giant, ass, animal I'd, say for us. I bet you we would just be

The boy anywhere on that target you'd be a thirty percent for probably hit it three times out of ten. So I guess how far away was that at our christmas party, how far away was at one hundred yards one hundred yards? That was one hundred, that was a tricky and I think what was yeah yeah people have for five me I hit still out, is closed Thirdly, outfield yeah account yeah, ok of where was it that when you hit yeah there's a little gophers world steel silhouette at a hundred yards were many more more other than us. There wasn't very many more I what that means, and now that a thirty people raffling thirty people. How is it that bad. that's a very hard for it. Also also, it was in the dark lots for most people like there. It was an orange painted target, but it was dark and you were standing in the lit like porch area.

it makes a little bit tougher rights. There is really the old we stop. Yeah It's like. I don't want. I hate to admit this now, but I was surprised yeah I got Hedberg staying like he has a lot of acting experience. He says cause. What do you like is playing pool? He makes shot yours as an acolyte. Surprise xo I also agree with job at all. I got those that fuel koch, I was there early enough that I got a shooter when it's still light out, so I felt like maybe I had a distinct advantage, probably helpful, no one I squeeze the trigger. I was like well, this isn't gonna work up fleeting too, but yeah cooper, far as recommendations for good. She rests. Always try get low as long as possible and if I don't have the time to get lower. If you don't have the you know clear landscape, underneath you to get low because there's brush or grass or whatever, then you know the next best thing will be on your bot eaten some. Using

the shooting sticks are shooting six standing or a yeah. The tree, like Ben said I mean that's a everybody should know how to do that. You could easily make a two hundred plus yard shot by leading a rifle into a tree or even, if you get lucky, there's a lacrosse branch. If you get a little crochet, then it's means damn near like having a you know. Tripod rest then you're using our body, tony Paul's skill. Ah he teaches he's a sniper instructor in the marine corps and when doing like makeshift using makeshift res like a rail trees stuff like that, he talks about how you need to Is it the push or the poll ah makes sense, yeah when you're sitting there with him shooting it makes sense for you there's eyes a little bit of like there's like he, you like, even when you're going on a tree, you kind of like wedge it where you can get a little can lean into it a little bit?

You know what he's always playing that little bit mark. If that's, what you meant by the poor was, he was, however- and this is when you use eagle eye on the episode with held in brittany in wisconsin dogs it is, but when he was saying the poor, he was actually have them having them hold on to the sling coming off of the forint and then pulling that in towards their body, creating a little bit attention exactly. The attention you know creates you to locks that along together, it's anything like if you shoot off your butt. You put your elbows on the outside your knees and then kind of. suck your arms in against those knees that creates that tension too, or digging a toe in when you're laying prone and giving a little little push off into three points of contact as steady strings that are now shooting off your knee works. Pretty

good. I want we done a lot of innocent. Some people think this question, but I only is questionable. I've shot a number of big game things in otherwise over my body. Shoulder oh yeah, yeah. We do it, I'm not recommend they will do it, but it is time that something we ve done successfully and I've never seen it before our slick man you dislike, we will set out where it is. Data bend over put her hand on her ears and you're, like almost lana.

And then tap them, and that means hold your breath. It's gras. It can be rough, rising solid. I can't say that I did run into and after one time like the trackers over there don't do that for oil, but yeah rare rare on the shoulder there it'd be, but you can. Ah that brings them nothing. I am not a fan of like standing. Shooting sticks, particularly thinking about the ones they roll out in africa like there's. No I've never used a dirt man there. It almost seems like it's more unstable than shooting freehand at some level cartoonish. Weird, but I've never had. Luckily, there's gonna be an easy cookin. One later we are speaking of uneasy shooter this is from all Evan who sing belt. I think.

for enforcement y. All Evan. This is roughly a month weight in response. Gotcha, but I'm smoking a whole venison back, strap tonight, typically smoke it to a rare tab and then sear it in a cast iron with butter which brings the finnish tempt medium rare. Have you ever combine this with the sooty meaning when you want to do as he wants to smoke it to get the smoke flavour and then throw it in a bag and, Drop it and soon we maintain the temp until he's ready to cigarette is wondering if, if that would work in and the appropriate, I would think this would be like if you're in that christmas situation you lookin for a bunch of

and you got a bunch of things going on and you don't want to worry about overcooking, something or serving something cold. You know, and that is a huge reason that seaweed so popular in the restaurant industry. So I think what he's saying Smoke it soon read, it seems easier and answer. The question is: have I done it now. now I can't picture smoke in it having to be as can picture wants to maintain that damn so as not cold right, so he's not gonna overtook on the smoker. You can bring it off then you must maintain it added at that below medium rare. And then when everything else is ready, is gonna. Put that thing out bag on you

if scenario could what I've done in the past is because I don't like to let stuff rest, sometimes it's always in a tin, foil or aluminum foil, but sometimes in a yeti hopper. So you could smoke it or you smoke it get it to. You know ten degrees or ten to fifteen degrees below where you want it. If you say you got an hour or two rabbit tin, foil put it in your yeti, zip it uptight right cause. You know over that time that heat is going to stay in there. It's going to continue to cook it. Then, when you get it to where you're going sear it then yeah, that's what I've done in the past. So just say just tell your your bros you're coming over for christmas. Like hey look, I want. I just need a cast iron skillet ready to sear when I get there that way, it's crispy still and you don't cause a lot of times when you

the rest after you seared it. It kind of takes away that crispy, crusty consistency that you get when you see it and then just serve it all those good carcinogens. We like some people, do seer and then drop it in the sue has to do that too, but you definitely have all that moisture in the bag. I think that was the way to go, but now I think it's like the reverse is like when I first started messing with it, I thought that was cool, but now it's like definitely better to just do it yeah you get it. You lose you're out. Your loser outside cool Chris or that there are serious that initial shock. To me, don't say: yet: oh no, like schemes, but that initial shock Searing it on all sides starts the process of that meet, go into another stage. Breaking yeah team leader lock her up. You don't want that in the first year and then put it somewhere, that's going to steam it, and then it gets soft again and you got kind of a weird. But that-

A lot of the recipes are, though, really yummy, and then then you come back out and crispy up again. You can present your finished product as two people are going to pick something it doesn't matter. Yeah guy asked, can you freeze your heart, liver heart freezes as good as anything on the planet, a trimble core amount term ahead of time? I do owe a quorum out trim the fat off the upper. You know the fat part yup trim the tail off that in freedom, Is that a space time? What was the reason why I turn pherson mail? I put myself, but rather claim it s about razor. I feel like it. I feel like I like diversity.

I typically say I've done all versions, but in my mind, what I'm typically trying to do is freeze ingredient recipe, ready yeah in a perfect world, you're freezing recipe ready stuff. So I'll. Take my heart ct: wash it out, ct trim the tail off the top lip then freeze it. It freezes for a minute. here's a few yeah yeah I'll sell. My kid was he telling me he's telling me song? I sent me I'll bet you, a million bucks, he's that guy at a million dollars. It's just yeah, it's just the thing. We say serious, really: bad tatar, you serious right now, yeah, he didn't wanna, take back a billion years, a few years, liver man It's a say, like ice of freeze, delivers not a good idea.

I've never had any like when I know, but I used to like, do it anywhere. It really thought, like all the water, Comes out it winds up being like robbery, and it just doesn't work you just gotta eat it run late and freezes it run late or the freeze livers. I mean I take the liberty of just Our deliver me have wonderful round I'll, handle a liver in the freezer and now specifically for sausage. So I got a sauce address, be world. Of feed that liver into the grander and mix everything up is a bad idea. What kind of sausage recipes that liver works? No, but my buddy Jim makes livery worse that kicks ass. That's like the best breakfast meat on the planet. If the game, liver, yeah, really yeah the thing about liver worse, is, though, is that there's not that when you look at everything in liver? Worse, it's like ten percent

however, the exact like you because you're eating a lot of milk and a lot of fat, its, Well yeah that do that with my old man sandwich. Rye, bread, liver worst us I started masters yeah. I sometimes feel like going down a bite like I don't like to buy meat stores, man no, but I sometimes feel like going out and buying the big one, There were some more is our travel, and sometimes we should get a big thing, a liver, worse, dear, resurgam? You should come to the latvian on camp in wisconsin of the guys from Milwaukee show up. I don't know, probably twenty pounds of use, fingers liver, worse and all sorts of other fine sausages import products from their man, and that's all we as far as like sandwich is going to the field, as is rightly in writing. Ro. It is correct to say that, as I let regular oh, I is twice as good that

now tell me now consider vi it's more of a like a sourdough dude. You can knock someone out with that bread with the stuff that I bring around. It's a dense bread. Yes, it's like a kind of bread if you threw it to a duck, a duck baby Iver, that doctor step browsing to seek an elderly man know for sure it's a dense bread, but I could see me and Oliver were sick, die and I'm making liver wurst with oliver. You guys are going to Want some be like sorry at the a grade, great livers like oscar headache, a wraparound the camera. God with a yellow, wrapper, no amount of aid to a huge, bread, not let other people eat his bread so few. in the kitchen, he was like the old man's bread in the family's bread. You couldn't have his bread list. You asked him about it that he girl but poor. Oh one

yeah mine. I recommend, if you listen to, are you going to go? Try some don't go into this regular grocery and buy the oscar meyer brown, schweiger or liverwort brown or you're, not getting the same like go to a deli, go to a jewish deli and get the good shit, because it's well worth it yeah. I agree. I saw a new friend of mine who is their jewish and it always grown up going to have our targets for tongue. I told the story before norman one last one gives gift for one one. Oh yeah, here's another one, this guy that wrote it and he's all confused about the difference between party hunting party hunting and party applications, yeah, there's kind of like two questions from two different people. One of the guys demonstrated some level of like he's like he's looking at an out of state hunting app and it's a party application and he's like dude.

party hunting. That's no good, that's a great points but yeah. I have never thought that two very different things as a semantics thing he's right like why. Why not change the term? You know in the application said the authority application. I feel about murray apples, eu matter. Why him. Why can I should your moose dark? Who wants to start with party hunting which is where we share and tags and party hunting, is where there's five people at this table through us have a tag. All five of us go hunting everybody's up to bear by them. It does. That is that it is legal of someplace. I don't know if that's necessarily legal, that I've never done it. That way, where other legally all of us would have had tags, we'd all be out in the field, in dear a five dear, come by, I shoot all five and you guys come over and tag Yes, I know that might be the case some places, but there are places where you'd think it like. That's what I think

made moose day move can designate it's a party tat part of you can designate. the shooters all the tag, but you can designate other guys to hunt the same day. You could all be out. I think you're supposed to be in like you're supposed to be in some definition of communication yeah, but you draw it hugo like umpire. I hot with you. You mean both agenda, some sort of formal agreement under some sort of tagged, saying that this is the deal not just like all about here. Without a hunting license or attack, it all happened. Well, you know, I wouldn't illegal party hung in there the party of the legal sense of what I was trying to this either illegal. All legal is doing a lot of illegal party hot, yes, ok, the deal party on right is described is legal in wisconsin as now legal here,

already. Did it illegally and visit all before. I even knew those illegal, but it would be that your group of guys all have bach tags. Someone gets a doe tag. It was, it in when I was growing up. It was like it was viewed as though, if you see a dough get labs, gotta tat were systematically team, kill the arbitrary, but you'd go EL for bob bob run over, and that was in illegal. They don't even know was illegal. Were now in wisconsin. Explain again, we use it's! Ok there I believe on this last homology into it. I believe they define. As like waiting, communication where you can yell at the other hotter than might be tagging the deer If you're all licensed and a group, a deer comes by, you can shoot more

as long as someone in that group and it's within shouting distance of you can come over and tag, but you can't have a dude with you who has no tag you could have with you, but he can be hot, carrying a rifle gotcha yeah. He can be actively hunting. He needs to be a license hunter now. This brings up a thing. We haven't got into party applications yet, but nothing on party hunting. Another question, the guy that I've been meaning to get to never got to it. It was bought your hunt. Black bears his buddies, got a blackbird tag. He does so mug one mode. One has a black vertex mug two does not have a blackbird tag mode one, but they're hunting, deer k mode, one pouch, it's child! Viper!

mach two runs up, the blackbird is running off. He, though his body got a hit mogul and got a hit, but it wasn't a mortal wound mug to flout, killed, Jessica's law. That's right! It's a strange one, is one where you get put into like more outward looking civil law, verses, moral law and I've been in that situation in the past and where you're like well, the power things played out You're gonna have like you're going to have unrequited or wounded yet unrecovered animal and I've been in that situation. It does it puts you in a it. Puts you in a little bit of a bind. The gay boards probably look at a bit. Sorry man, you killed it yeah and for a there's. This is too much room for interpretation and too much room for taken it. You know and cheating that rule, if it's not nino done that way,

well, yeah, because that will just walk around killing animals for yeah. It's all the time, because they're fighting what we're taught that that rules fight and what we're talking about two guys walking around one guy shoots a couple: every real, quick yeah, so the grey areas where you want to try to eliminate yeah like this scenario like he has, and I take at face value. What he's saying is just that it was like it was looked like he was going to get away and he didn't want to get away, but he won and so yeah you definitely broke a law, because I know what state this occurred. He broke a law, maybe just throwing out a hypothetical. I dunno party applications? Who wants to take that one? I can talk about a little bit. You want to go hunting, maybe with your family or your friends and you're like I'd rather draw this tag with you or not at all. That's a good way to put it binary, so I've got I like taking some of my family members hunting, who maybe are not going to go hunting on their own. So apply as a party. That's ok like

we're all gonna get it or none of us you're gonna get it's not like you and your stuff, this tag and nobody can be able to go beyond this hunt with you so things away to ensure that your core group of fellow sportsmen or family, that you're hunting with will all all get the permit, and you can do it as a group. This guy was asking. Was it a good idea or not? And that's like the that's, not really answerable, because it just depends on how bad You want to go, I think I, what another way to do it be like if your eyeball and like some hunt you want to do and and you'd make a deal you like, you could do a party app and then you both get to go on equal footing and goals, gotta tag, but there's less of a chance that someone's going to have a tag or you make a deal and be like, let's both put in single, but let's sign a treaty right now so

in agreement that if one of us draws help the other, we both go on the trip. But if you don't hang out with that kind of person, then it makes sense that that you all put in as a group and y'all either go and everyone's gung ho fully loaded or everyone stays at home is already application. Somehow the question is not beneficial. Does that well doesn't would it prevent in some way party hunting like I was thinking through this little bit if everybody has a tag and you don't have to share the completely unrelated man I know I know, but there's a there's a there- could be a corresponding thing there. If everybody has it that you don't have to worry about It's alright are trying to tie in the party hunting party up. I was trying to be slick, and I was very that's why I was asking as a question because I was pretty sure he has also said tj play where, if I have ten Elk points and, Do you have zero and we applies I'm gonna pull a pool you up a little bit. Sorry creasy your odds, his hands on his eight true and you can

apply as a non resident. You could apply with resident on a party application police stated I've done that in colorado. If you do that you're both in the non resident, non resident, Sonia residents, gettin dinged, big time. It can be? It can handicap you, but I've heard of a very good. Oh I just. I think that there are so many people and, if we're being honest with our selves, there's a lot of people that ultimate enjoy. The planning and the Google earth reader to the hunt maybe even more than that in the adventure themselves where these party applications are big deal. They feel it

Are there in the game? They got something to go at some. You know some to plan towards cat or daydream about at work or whatever. So I think that that's big benefit. These party applications have you ever party party applied. Yes, I have party applications out right now. I want to add in getting better I didn't hear about. That girl was me and my bro, because he's an alaska resident yeah, so we partied up on a couple of things nice that sheep, I imagine they argued up on some stuff tweet. What else about that party hunt, kind of coverage, party, apps parties party in majority hunt- and it's good- I mean it's just a it's a good way for folks,

plan, particularly if you're applying for an out of state hunt, then you kind of know be like yep this. Where we want to go, you can budget both time and monetarily for how you're going to approach that hunt yeah I'd I'd like that system. Here's here's one last question: ready are rabbits safe to eat. Yeah, yes, thanks for joining yeah, I would conclude or oh you came up one speaker: parties lighted get time who there are some shows commoner under the hood, shows in some live pod gas than have take it still available. They are a under the herd in salt lake city on February, a and under the hood

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It's a tough one. It's a tough one percent. We just added the great remy warrant, ram you'll, be there it's a tough one, because it's an early afternoon show and that's alright. You can start drinking early that day, yeah man quit work. don't quit just take a break. Yes, yeah! That's funny! it is on the seventh on Thursday good job vienna's janius, what they call you gotta mexico, that Men are not easily the ADI studies, also timely way, you're funny. It's like a jew, John John round for the J I'll be like no. This is like yama when you say your name. Double l, yeah John, is now serving to say your day boy. You must and with a wife.

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can clear. Gallus very, were YAP boy, get a solid rest not at all. By bypass I mean, if you're not touching, that triggered and knowing that you are going to kill something, then you should not be touching that trigger skiing, of ipods and sighting in cars. Also reciting in our hand, I say to if you're gonna use a bipod, definitely site in usenet bipod, because I know that my rifles have a much different point of impact if I'm shooting off of a sandbag ha as on a bench in that bio. I have a bench interest and even I know a lot of guys will say: don't shoot the bipod off a concrete bench because that concrete benches so stiff there compared if you just on the grounds that it is this a difference appointed impact

so yeah me I was holding. Schools are a real world situation site in the rifle like locked into a lead, sled. Maybe maybe it's wrong, but I have always treated. My guns is cited in locked into a lead, take every variable out of it. The gun is zeroed and then end, imperfection after that, from shooting off of a bipod or shooting freehand is? Is your fault not not so much the guns? Oh, I think it needs to be adjusted to how you hold that rifle, though too. There's like I'd totally agree like you, you sound the mechanics of everywhere. The gun is bedded properly, the scopes mounted properly and you can even chew your groups off there and figure out your your loads and bullet bullet and grain. Grand grand

And if you want to go through that and prove all of that and then add in the variable of the human component yeah and then you will would still more than likely need to make some adjustments to your. Particular cheek weld yeah. I always liked this determined that the scope is listening to me when I make adjustments and like when it's on a lead, sled, you know when you're yeah, yeah there's human error involved when you're you know, citing a gun in so you're, not always sure, but I always like to make sure if I move it two inches down and two inches right, that it does exactly that. I feel, like that's a good thing to know a new rifle or I mean I'll, tell you I don't do this, I throw or throw her down on top of my backpack a lot of time on some chunk estate, land or something and make sure she's still still hit

It was the whole box that I've taped up into a voicemail or text talk about cycling through the tracking. On your scope, oh really you zero to check. You know to check your scope like zero and then dial up twenty m away and dial back twenty m away, oh and make sure it lands back where it's supposed to take her for walks. That's particularly if you're, using a scope or your manual dialing before your shots and what happens if, if you don't feel like it's coming back to where it's due, you got a problem. Yeah call the manufacturer, for you, like you've, got a two hundred yard zero and the dial up for, let's say: you're messing around and you're trying to impress your body's ice sheet rock six hundred yards away in dial up six or seven, and then you dial back. You should do that.

At the range and when you dial back like is that, where you're at because you might you could you know some schools may have a problem, they don't track back to where they're supposed to yeah to something to keep mine. But I started using like the the bdc radicals. Man and it's not like a yeah, take take one more thing out. Yeah, like I used to, I flirted with messing around dialing I just like to count hash marks. Yep, it's a lot. It's just like for me because it depends what kind of guy are and how your brain works and stuff, but my brain's kind of brain that does better when he locked his account hash mark. Are you super solid on your hash marks like yeah yeah? Do you ever print something out and tape it to your stock or do you I print fifty yard increments, two hundred yards zero and I take a little thing. That's two two. Fifty three three, fifty four fifty

five five, fifty six and I'll put it on their output, high ones honor, because you never know situation, we got something getting away from me: the wounded wounded or whatever, and then I and then I just have plus, and I round them off and I'll have like you know three point: nine seven bear away just like for a while. They were alive, and that is where we use a dial. You don't have that if you're reading your hash maria- I do, I use it for my ash marks, even older correlated there. There, like you, can correlatum for like most like magnum rifles right. If you know you have a two hundred yards zero, then you know that the hell yes, If the right, but no I I write it out, just run that in a ballistic calculator every time just print out a new new paper forever. I'm sorry, I'm confuse what, if you're right, you're writing out what each hash mark equals know I'm right now my drop

So I have like whatever I understand that, but then how do you? How does that work when you look at your hash marks? Will if I know if I know I need to if I, if I know I need to do forward and I count down to hash marks and hold for if it's five, I got count down to hash marks and split the difference between four and six. The printed out exist or one hundred no forum away whatever. that's why, if you ever, if you have a like a a stat where he caught like a stacked, radical right within a day or two emily increments if I look and unlike all the shot, I'm gonna be fine. m away low to have more than I go down the fourth, the foreground ahead of you, your job on that and knowing what the hash mark yardage is or do not do, that go by. I know what that's how I know, but they committed of angle drop on trying to compensate, for it's ok or by using my can I do

Are you on the bbc is? a sharp pointed out where it says a second hashes? Three. Thirty, to the third hand, is spot on. That's right! That's what I'm sorry! Ninety nine whether you re dead and you think you're. Then you take that your stock sword for issue, like always for the table to my scope, I know what you're saying that's another way. I think that's that's a good way of achieving the same thing, either way you like that better than how I do it it's last math, as I do my head in the moment and there's something about that. Turret though I've been hunting with one lately, the roski, they have a Pbc. I believe it is the bliss, so you send them off you all your info. You sent them off your bullet. You send them off. Fps you cinema. If your elevation, everything they send you back accustomed to for your load,

at vortex does a pop it on and it's it's in august is like, if you have a rifle you're, only going to use around home and your data on the scope and you're super confident pop that thing on and never have to change it, and it's always a good yeah. I had some of those alike them, but it was like it's hard for traveling hunters. You know cause you're changing elevations, time, you're changing you know, a lot of the variables are just hard when your eyes have to mess around yours mess around with different rifles, different low. If you have one rifle for a specific purpose of specific place, it's super easy to do but give Republican is that not crook like I see your system and it's fine? It would work the same way but now and then you're splitting the difference you do and you have to WU m away hash marks in your work with odd numbers, but still be the same thing I could see. I could see either way. I think it sixes short for six and a half

except says yeah. He made that up now and I have to conclude dots personally pete not march. We get a lot of snow and I hope we have a good week in a hunting ahead of us to segue way off. the live, shows your guy coming up in show here in reno in early february, if you are going to sheep, show, certainly I see the live meat, eater, podcast and also you guys going to have a booth yeah. Absolutely can people come by meet you Our future back beggar love, you wanna meet me or not, but I assure you I gotta get a girlfriend. I know you're not loose term. but I'm trying to give women should go and try to meet the. I guess I guess that's tough enlargement is not concluded. My glitter was we're going to sheep, show join the lesson. One club, you never killed a sheep if you have never killed a mountain goat.

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