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one ass thou revisit this later, but is it? We have birthday tonight that many people I looked up to just like if you have a birthday to say like just: do one noise really yeah really really five of you, but it sounds like there's tons more okay, let's do some. Let's do some introductions. First then never get started we're talking about. I have a lot of anecdotes. I want to share- and I talked about these last night, but we didn't record it. So I going to talk about them again is a lot of anecdotes about you, people drinking too much, but but but first refers the deductions yards but tell us for mediator. My name is jesse griffin,

talk, talk talk up here, talk up your deal, talker be restaurants, man, the couple restaurants in Austin I do and I do talk korea chair for Me yeah also run a business called the new school of traditional cookery, where we incorporate a kind of a culinary aspect into hunting and fishing offer three day trips. Customer trips stuff like that also wrote a cookbook called a field, wild game, fiscal. Hi. yes, I am din. I wild in all. So I am the girl, who cuts sat parts and tells you how to cook everybody, modems girl-

Ok, I'm the regional wildlife ecologist for the foreign service space, not albuquerque new mexico and my whole career is rooted in the fact that I love What fish? That's? What motivated me to become my scientists? And this is This is corals. This is Carl's. Eighth, three appearance yeah. It's an honor, appreciate Carl pointed out that not only has johnny casper on this stage. Balls groucho Marx we're walking into It's that acts of legend, the that's legends. I was going to talk about, but I decided now: tewkesbury talked about it, a bunch, as are the the how, in in Houston a woman went into this just happened. A woman goes into smoke, a joint is not a story in an abandoned house. tiger hanging out there in a cage. That's like there's like the whole text,

thing. I've ever heard, and I got so so group this guy worked with brody we or we were rounding up things though, like just some local flavor in priorities, stumbles and bowline. Oh, go ahead, it's a little late, but is that what they mean by high fence that said so that taxes high viceroys, argued about so Brodie go. with brodie rounds off this, like it's like a round up of game warden activities from around the state so. Our game, warden vans, aunt, counting to gain more basic value for benzene county? if I hit until the day the people with if you people are in these stories, please come to the stage this so like you get a picture of game wardens right, they're out trying to catch poachers.

after these gay marriage, bans and county are going down the road they come across. A vehicle stopped in the middle of the road. So they question the people and there's apparent: there's a person who's too drunk To explain where they live, which is making it hard for their designated driver to get them home. designated driver turns out, has been drinkin, so became the game organs the designated driver in the dude, who can't figure out where he lives. Somehow as it in to call another body to come pick them up. That body shows up in here. Two is arrested for drinking and drive in zat, so movement founders of our action as a result, the z one. How does it legally zapata Zapata? yeah you guys there. So nobody here

Here a game warden responds to a tip about an illegal gill nets in the rio grande and go down there on the tax, a side of the river and starts pulling out some model filament gill nets, which has been set up golly and by the time he's done. He is hauled in four thousand feet of gill nets. Near abilene,. game. Warden sees people shootin from a truck, stop some bascombe. What's going in this way that their multitasking, because One of the things we are doing is their drinking One of the things are doing. Is the woman, her boyfriend or drinking, and teaching, her son, how to drive and their hunting hawks. In bear county words

The mistake last that I called it backs county backs are wasting orwell. Bear com, He gave mourns find a guy on social me the break up by he's, been doing a lot of hunting and vision in the san antonio power plant property, which is close to set activities. They want to find the guy's, so they review is social media, poles and adventure figure out who he is and learn. That he's he's on felony probation, so they can't find them, so they just go wait for him when he and show up for his probation court hearing and then arrest him another texas news story that's interesting is redwood, so redwood trusting you to know about this girl, red wolves have been declared extinct in the while in the wild.

And I've tried captive breeding. They have on an island off of north carolina. They have tried so yeah, but there's no red wolves alive in the wild yeah, and they were just surprised to learn that on galveston island, the coyotes there carry red, wolf, genetics yang. Quite a bit of it quite a bit. Yes like to the point where, based on the most recent genetic analyses, They have more similarity to the red wolves than they do to a pure blooded kyle, So the of a middle ground which raises some interesting questions about what defines a species really. Yes, what do you think now contacts and start worrying about how they have wolves or that premature others proudly

you that chatter already learning again at the second thoughts about this, but you guys have this it is hard for you to browse. You know the animal, I'm going to say the nil guy. Okay right now. You also have a problem in texas with the cat, the cattle fever tick, not the tick. That makes you that you can't eat meat, but like tickets, bread, the disease, cattle fever and they can eradicate and cattle or can control and cattle. But now all the nilghai carry the tick. So they are installing motion active I spray machines that are like trail cams, but they blast nilghai with solution containing nematodes that kill the text which be unnerving shit. The happened to you

The right to be, like I did it was ass. You would It would be. I would be distressed for a minute. When these apple with you how these album and I I've looked so the trick. Is Nilghai are very wide, ranging species like compared to a white tailed dear. They cover a ton more ground, but they congregate at shared latrines. Although their installing these things at the shared latrines, where all the nilghai will get together and do their business, it's like even more toilet yeah, so you show up to dear business and then you end up getting spread that really right yeah. Yet not now we have to genuine taxes, Have you guys eaten? I wanna, know, guy: we do we actually done a lot of stuff. I just down the king a couple weeks ago with much klaus cooking for.

That were hunting no guy- it's true, your fear. Eight foot circle negotiate in road. Do they like the mounted up? It's mostly, I'd say it's like a hill or a deal because you know lamas like if you, if you my brother keys Islam, is out in a flat like if you keep mount a flat pasture land was like do any kind of little rise to get on and ill shit in the same spot and build a little look at like a little pitcher's mound that like becomes substantial and then they'll perch up on there just to get a better look. But but the means the note I is good fantastic. Even Your balls, they get huge, mean six seven hundred pounds plus- not unheard of, and in my experience, even even the big bulls are really good to eat there. What would you compare it to it's?

the access dear, like very mild, maybe less has like less of an iron flavors and why tail little little bit beef It's really mean very leaned, a very, very good use duff. We wanted real quick on the first girl cairo epidemic, Everybody lives in frisco, yeah yeah. the subject matter, expert on the first go: kyle epidemic break it down they ever all of you must have been bit by a coyote in the last six months from what I read what else I know about their tune on small dogs. Cats live there I think you know one news source had come up with their own app to report. Kyle sightings and

at the time. There is over three hundred kilos, sightings right around four skull and people were genuinely worried because, like five people right got nifty seven, some people got there. Do you guys? in frisco? Have you guys been bit servers? Do Is it an article on a subject like us? That's kind of the extent of it yeah you know, there's wise me really. When I read it, I was like yeah that makes sense, and we have the gifts on the internet oh you're, cooking, coyotes, yeah, I'm good! I do a bellamy I want to. I want to give a quick shout out on other podcast guests, bracey v hill. The second is here with his friend west keys. West runs wild game.

The same is right was while wild game for west dallas, they put together two thousand pounds of venison for protein poor neighbours. Processor this there's a girl recall hunters, brown, regional people's dear hunters, are bringing dear down to processors hunters for hungary or pay for all the processing fees in an hour, have a group brother bills, help helping hand and they been teaching. They taken some young kids out doing their first hunt trips and he's here in the crowd tonight. Someone dimension that He mentions imagined We need to have more dog dern, not think that the world needs more doug dern. quick question yeah we're within the other night.

Gate keepers. I gotta bring up, who there's some guy here, joel with the wife who has the coolest name in the world named timber. You guys here gay wedding advice once wedding advice where he wants us to wayne timber. I don't know if I'm doing this Joe wants us to explain the that and is going to come at it, that you need the mason He is allowed to go on all the time. You want out our supposed to that up as gonna marry be slides. I it up as some kind of marriage, biased, bright eyed. That's what he's gettin in so does address. An angle for because the sound like, maybe he's not getting up to go enough writer. He feels that way: no, no, no, because now you're going to make it that he's not going to have

good night, he know this dude says he says idle all the time. I think that you Just make sure that continue into the future precedent like precedent setting, which is that's a big- the bats. My marriage, boys members by start before you get me out. As timber. I would even push in and because there's a slight get to be the guy that actually HANS three hundred and sixty five days a year. so I would say when it's been about eight days nine days in a row if he actually hans that much there It's obviously been tomorrow morning. I'd had that alarm going off at four and be like dude get out of bed and bring home the bacon row no no rest for the guy was the hot all the time right, get it and just kind see where that levels out yeah you get married. May so good luck to him.

Now digging we're in a focused, pretty heavy, not like totally, Have you been pretty heavy on wild game nights, because so many good cook up front here rarest of all the questions were restrain little bit retouch on cannibalism. Oh what's our guy, I got a question about whether due ever lose their ability to get it up, which is four Carl words, no not like that man, I don't be like. I don't mean: good to know, because you know subject matter, you know it's like an animal class and allows you to steer your direct. I knew him, but first I want to get into this. One is the question that comes in that came in is that is this: is a panel opportunity? What have you eaten that you will never eat again and how was it that you cooked it.

I can start, or I can go later, doesn't matter to me. You go on go on on brand big phantom hogs I had a hog once they have been snared and that thing been in the snare for at least two hours time I got up to so I mean enough that when I walked up, she just lost all the you know: ability to fight. She got really sad and the, she is given, but that me was absolutely inevitable. Sir. I hung up the haug snares. After really I have some of those and I look at them all the time. I've never messed with them. I mean for eradication, be good, but for for pork chops it really would yeah yeahs, don't have anything

They fit the bill, because I want to try it again and this might be a good sideways warrior. But Murray answer a hood. Is one the one time regions yet once we tried it it just. We we out the apartment and is bound to never do it again, but now with the skin on it. I can't, I can't remember I doubt it about. We just take the brass out, but you know my golden. I know no borders now. This is a long time ago, by close it two decades ago, and I remember it being pre- pretty fishing fish every.

The thing I made this is kind of like what I made is like it's intertwined with the how you cooked it. But I I and I wrote about this my first book and I was murders. How kind of off putting it was, was a kidney pudding with elk kidney battles from an old elk in the fact that, like when you're you're you're eating it and it really honestly It's like eating, like solidified piss mean that was just like such a let down. You know like a year, Ok, Was there a is like a urine kate.

well, there's like so many things in a year on year. If you like the good that I've naughty, but it was the owls like you know, you could get the kind of rises. The ethical souffle is kind of thing, but man it was not a good dish. Kidney pudding, young, you ve, got burned on a dish. Yeah, and this is actually really embarrassing, but in my early days of cooking wild game, I actually probably my first experience ever processing butchering a deer. It was. It was a gift given to us by a friend who had a manager manages ranch, and he quartered a deer, and I was like we're in the process. This whole thing ourselves,

and what should have taken like ours was like days, because I thought all I knew is like get all the silver skin off. So I'm like breaking down the shanks like I'm going crazy. So like days, this meat has been in the cooler and I dont know that you should join the water out and keep fresh eyes since, as I nicely marinating in this cooler for wait too long in his own. Do yeah and so I have all the bones laughs. I am I you know, I want to make a start, and just this eyes like a shot in the kitchen at this point in time so start making the stock I rose. wake up early roast the bones I it's just. I got this nice pot gone, and I realize it smells really bad thinking to myself. Wall.

This is gamey right. That's just like venison I'd never really worked with venison before and it just gave me it'll get better, just keep cooking it like it's on the stove for hours, and then Travis, that's my husband gyroscopes any, but the door opened yells at me like we're, Are you may get a european mountain? The house? I do that outside and I was like okay, this is not right. This is so I threw it out. So I'd enjoy it with a worse, yet so yeah. So I didn't even taste it try it. It was like he was like death in the house. It was so so bad and the worst thing I actually ate was a tundra swan that had been in a ziploc bag or not even like a ziploc freezer. Just like a little baggy in the back of someone's freezer for a couple of years, I lay a nice.

Freezer burn like its tendrils sworn wasn't in our behalf is so that their evil anders wildly and around the business they lose track of. What we have is that we share went on with the body and the possible regions is up in north dakota, not not taxes up in the part of region and they were, there are direct dot and they ceased swans come by and aids hurrah, they turn around. So he gets a swan and I actually wanted it mounted and I didn't, but I wanted to eat it, his friends like. Oh, I have some in the freezer. You can mount that and I'll give you give you this one. So I was like. Oh that's, so sweet. Thank you so much yeah it was yeah. It was. It was

While the girl, some in china, aids and bad stuff in china for sure, but the year two thousand year egg, no bueno- oh did you, have you eat now deal the embryonic you know Tom. I read those related blue yeah, vietnam, my god man here that fits into the category, but the thing that came to mind first of all is stuff that I now love either but at the time had no idea how to handle it. I've been thinking lately, you know like anybody out there, grand copy of the new fish and game cookbook. so so. The reason that that's cool is, I think, about being like a thirteen year old squirrel hunter who loved her squirrels and didn't know what the heck to do with them really and how it would

it would just be a different ballgame today to have the videos, the cookbooks and have all that at your disposal as a new hunter, but. to answer. Your question when I was learning how to hunt we do these like daniel boon, davy crockett advance here's, where we go camping in the woods your house and we'd catch trout, we'd, pick, mushrooms, we'd, hunt, squirrels and grouse, in pretty much whatever hunting success. We had. We build a fire. skin out whatever critter was in just like hold it in the fire and see you get this like black chris I invite in and it would be like cool to the touch on you be like pulling me to meda. I must really like hunting So I'm done with that. Like I'm doing all kinds, you don't like squirrel now's the bomb

cause. I've learned how to do it, and you know that that's one of things about having these resources at your fingertips like we aren't, we were jumping on Youtube urban jump and on your smartphone, like here's, a dead squirrel. To build a fire and hold it in there and it's gonna be awful. That's like what large animal, those wild game cook and was so weird because they like what that make them pay. The phones, you don't really think about- is that you use if you're gonna meet your friends, you guess how I had. pick a bar and no one could leave the bar to go to a different bar. You have failed to find each other right yet pre phones. Everything was different man. It was hard to find people

it sounds like an old man. Well yeah, but you know what I'm saying like. If you remember it like you, it was very difficult. Like locate your bodies, you could lose track of your bodies without phones, but also you couldn't look up how to cook stuff. So we would just know that people ate something like we knew. I remember the first time we tried to cook a deer tongue with nineteen. Ninety four and we just knew that it was a thing one could do, but we didn't have access to even the is the skin supposed to come off, so we boil those sons of bitches and try to chew on them and boil them and try to chew on them, and now you just would very quickly just realize you know, but we would just like trying to figure out how to cook beaver tails. When you have It is a thing. You know what happens, but you don't wanna. Do it there's? No! You can't convey the information unless you stumble across some weird, all cookbook somewhere, This had no way, and no now I've knows everything now be able

I don't know how to do something that kind of look down on them a little bit cause. I just look it up man and this guy asked about ono the first time I get to this crockett to two workers were to use you up right now: okay, two questions get which one do you want? First, the grizzly bear one or the the his penile erectile dysfunction and dear one. Okay, a guy wants to know, because here's where this is coming from here's what's coming from this there's a guy. I give her what state he's in the guy eddie haunts of property, It really old deer and the landlords, like don't mess with that deer ever but he's wondering. Is it ever that because he thinks he wants? This old years has got big antlers the breed and make more deer, and he's wondering? Is it like? Do deer get the hit the autumn of their life.

Right like dunes, who there's a long period of its dues life when he's not breeding anything, even if you wanted to so do does that? Does that known as a deer age out or do they stay viable till the bitter end? They do not age out, they don't and nor do the females for that matter and if you think about so there's this there's this myth right of like dry old, dry dough I ve been numerous research papers. A deer biologist by the name of gwen delicacies did a great job up in minnesota, where he was looking at fecundity the ability and and basically rates of pregnancy and number of offspring across different age classes of females, and it just keeps taken up like older doze tend to be more fertile, then younger days, but fertility rates of

I in females and given the complexity of what the female reproductive system has to do, compared to the male reproduce The system is a lot more. That. no can go wrong, essentially in terms of having those years of fertility. That's while you know woman has a relatively narrow period of fertility compared to a man, but in dear, if you think about the fact that we have this narrow breeding season, and you think about the fact that you know most of these boxer dying from sources of mortality other than aging out, though the likelihood of any

individual deer. Getting to the point where they're not performing reproductively, it's just not going to happen. The exception would be if a deer experiences, some kind of an injury like people have probably heard of the term like cactus box, you will get some damage that will injure their testicles. Those sorts of things that are explaining the cactus book, so a cactus buck would be. I a deer that essentially keeps growing layers of velvet that are never shed in the growth like the antler cycle is controlled by sex hormones? Testosterone, the seasonality of a breeding is what is linked to antler growth, so post breeding season when the testosterone levels start to drop, that's when the antlers would fall off, but in a in a deer that has experienced an injury to it's testicles or perhaps has undefended to the testicles they'll just keep growing layers of velvet potentially on their antlers and get these really funky

the configurations and sometimes just carry velvet antlers for a long time. But there is an example. I have no, what you just said That makes sense. Are there and it makes me there- is an example of erecting this function in the wildlife kingdom, though, that I think would be honest people so polychlorinated by fiend, pcbs. You are precipitating out of the atmosphere near the poles, and this is having a disproportionate effect on animals that are at the top of the food chain and, as you go north, we're talkin polar bears here, and there was a research paper published recently.

the fact that these pcbs have shown you is not in your water bottle people that there'll be really well there there's a few things that are telling you're not in the bottle, but yet there there are estrogenic substances and some plastics that they're they're really worried about with. When it comes to drinking water, but pcbs are a by product of manufacturing processes. So the problem is, they can weaken skeletal tissue bones, including in polar bears like their detecting weakening of polar bear. Bonds in polar bears are one of the species that have a very unique born back in the backyard pegre ball. So there is concern that peace.

These have the potential to weaken the penis bones of polar bears to the point. The polar bear males could be predisposed to breaking their penile bonds, thereby experiencing high rates of what would effectively be erected dysfunction and further compromising their their state, which is now being driven by climate change and a host of other factors, but in the world of the in the animal kingdom. That's the best. I can do for you man, that's good, though that's good. Actually, the idea is that if we should give her know, I'm going to ask you that are one

I got my my other wildlife question one. I can't I have a good sense of what it is, but can't figure out. So we all know like when you look at european contact. We had you know mountain lions, coast to coast top to bottom. We had wolves coast to coast top to bottom. Why was it that the grizzly bear? Never colonise the eastern: u s! What kept the grizzly bear stuck at around the big bend, the Missouri river. You are real short answer tight now, sorting out the short. The short answer is habitat open country open three as the grizzlies preferred habitat, and if you will allow just a couple additional details. If you go back in evolutionary tree,

you have a common ancestor about a million years ago there was shared by black bears and brown bears, and at that point in time- add the differentiation where, due in part to the habitat provided by the glaciers receding. You had all this open country and you had some of the There's specialise in hunting and living in that open country in some of the barriers specialise in occupying the forested habitats. In that difference in their habitat preference has driven so much about the morphology. The behaviour

the level of aggression, the reproduction, everything about the life histories of brown bears vs black bears is driven by black bears being specialized to occupy densely forested habitats. Yeah, like the quick example, would be the short hooked claws that allow a like bear to climb a tree in the grizzlies long clause, which are great for digging but make him incapable of climbing a tree, but there's so many more cool details than that. The more you start to think about it and in furthermore, that specialization for open country an interest being able to hunt the wide open in the very protective and territorial over your offspring, indian, just like a bad mo foe kind of bare extended even further when the grizzly differentiated into the polar bear later on in its evolution. So if you think about the x

an example of that open country on trade environment, the polar bears like the extreme version of that and that's a relatively wreathed recent split in the file a genetic we but everything about reproduction like american black, bears their offspring stay with them. For the first year and a half, why is that well a year and a half old american blackberry can fully up a tree if it encounters danger, in contrast to a grizzly, bear or the offspring stay with the mother for two and a half years, and that's thought to be in large part, because they remain so dependent on their mother for protection that if they were to split you're in a half dead end up getting smoked by another. Bear the king, you two were they can't get away, so you other in other places Obviously we could we could come up with a list of all the places where brown bears and black bears coexist.

They overlap where you ve got some forest and habitat, but that's always gonna be a place where you ve got forested conditions for the black beer and proximity to open country for the brown bear. So the brown bears an open open country species compared to the black Dragon good- ah, oh I move onto which also does not. I'm gonna, cannibalism, real, quick, a guy roared in, and he was talking about that his body.

If the guy so does a guy saying that another guy is going to get liposuction and he's wondering. Can you use the fat for anything any member that that in fight yeah, I was guitar in fight club like part of the plot? Is that they're using human fat to make so and a dude a dude once sent me? I know if you guys done this. A dude sent me fat he's been making with black bear soapy meal. Sarah sent me soap made out of black bear fat. Is that really about cannibalism? But have you guys mess with this at all like making your own any kind of soaps or fat bear fat? Dear fat? I've never made it, but we actually at the restaurant we sell soap made out of a wild boar fat. You do really works pretty good and makes you clean feeling.

Check it out. Yet we hear we tackle this. if you've you've the only guy and that as a kind of cannibalized kind of now, because you, human has had two years as Ghana, more you ve, inhuman placenta, any drank. Yes, that's right. Mother's milk, drink human milk on a lot of us drinking, you drink it humid! No, no yeah! You're right! You know it's a good point. Man but I mean like that's a really good point, but he drank it grown up, you start think about yeah, but most of us who have consumed milk, it's from our own,

there, but then there are these examples in a lot of cultures, including you know some communities in america, where its commonplace for babies to be passed around to various lactating moms and whose milk Is this a great deal, then you start thinking about the milk banks where you have mom a given mom b's kid milk and milks, just like flown all over yeah. My wife would give out frozen sacks and milk, the friends of hers, for babies, though, where you guys give her a b. Where do you get for a bar hog, so I was like, seven nine dollars. I think yeah, it's pretty nice stuff. Yes, it's got juniper berries in it. It's it's really nice good cover sent to the bigs, The you ever experienced this making this megan know I thought about doing something with that deer fat, because it's so waxy as like that could seal a lot of things up yeah. We used to seal boots with deer fat,

take your fat man. It makes your boots stink man, but we will yeah. We will just melt your fat down and rub it into the rub. It into the leather nice to have a body who has gotten him laden with glenda, and he would do he would take, bear fat and pine pitch in bees wax and make his own triple blend boot stuff. The hard thing to get was the he's like you track the bees are their hive and then take chains on route out. All the you no root out the bees wax and make the boots duff those kind of his see. Now we want to touch on because you We were going to talk about David Crocker for a minute, because can you explain Danielle what you telling me about what he might be credited with? No, no, as I was trying to tell you that was a lie oh, the hush poppies was a lie: yeah yeah. She fooled you,

you did for me because we're in a play island, where your play alliance, so that was trying y yeah, oh god, what but was a true about the bare killing and the dance that allegedly he wrote that he killed. One hundred and five bears in tennessee bar hundred and five in seven months, and I think either forty two or forty seven. I think forty seven was in one month, bears in one month yeah, because boone claimed Daniel boone and like people lump in davy crockett, Daniel boone, but different different times like not same guy Daniel booth thousand times. Cooler davy crockett, which is offensive to taxes. Are you guys aware? Are you? Are you guys aware that is rumoured right

are you guys were that its rumoured that crockett hopeless families now here, The crockett did not go down a blaze of glory you. I said it's, it's rhubarb that you are familiar with this I mean we seen the footage faster towards ended. The gun powder room, any its accounts a hundred next and soldiers, It has often been said thousand yards you see, photos. But you are you aware of the bit the myth like the competing, the competing legends about crockett? No, a journal, a dissociate, a disputed, a dis, a hotly contest,

take years. Who I was telling you this story and I got the story all wrong, but there we looked up. The true version is a hotly contested journal. You look like you're agitate I'm just try to speak for everybody here, at a hotly contested journal, like the the veracity of the journal has been called into question, but there is a journal that exists. I think it sits here in texas. I think it sits in the state capitals. On them, because their every year, as we know this- and it was there at the end of the small clears? The smoke clears at the alamo and crockett had surrender and was was executed, and you didn't

he didn't. You know I I don't have an ex. I don't have a dog in the fight here. I'm just saying that is a contested thing and danielle got to tell me how davy crockett invented the hush puppies But what I thought was true. I can't believe you heavily used other history. I don't know why. I thought it was true thought that, but but but bootless suit, you like bruening crockett, like with like they ve, been stuck in our heads together, buddha cracker boone. claims to have. I wrote it down here because I've called this a thousand times, but I want to mess it up. Boone claimed he he killed when he was. Hunting bears Were the bacon market in the large market he killed. One hundred and fifty five and a single fall in once killed eleven before breakfast hunting with hounds they would get. I think, like a boy

a gallon forbear fat and you would care to hams, they would make they would tat maples for sugar. They would go to links and boil down the water, makes all and make their own salt sugar brine. They would the bear. meat barrels make their own small klaus smoke it and and hauled on keel boats to be sold and its plausible that like- and this is contemporaneous with Benjamin franklin. So it's like plausible Ben franklin, eight some you know bear me some long, haired, wild man I'll run around brian and bear me, but you imagine a hundred and fifty five and is well season we're talking about like all these animals that used to exist across continent, and we kind of like whittled down to next to nothing. That's the kind of feller that did some whittling yeah. And you think about how cool they are, but we also think like what is their sense of arm lately, gimme the

Brazil crockett, the hundred and forty seven one month. Forty seven like what is their sense of enough. That's like timber, did. He holds that motion propriety of everything we have read, galois move on there's a guy. I think he's here tonight he is here tonight is named stephen, ph steven, here's a great sentence in his letter. My name is stephen: I'm a big fan and a lazy texas hunter. He goes. I talk about this. I don't know the answer to this but area. hot hot parts, hot pots. What do you the parts but he's like? Why is that when you make something, if you could game in an instant part, it just is never is good, is if you sloka stray

I want to think about that, while I make sure that this is what he's saying, does that sound right? Are you here, you're you're, buying like I'm doing a good job with your question that yes or no good, okay, yeah, so he's saying what's up with the instapot I've never messed with the instapot. I do have an electric pressure cooker, but it's not called that. I would. I would just get. I mean there's really no, such

fusion for time, especially when you're breaking down silver. You know getting married out of bounds. You need that collagen to gelatin conversion need that just the texture, the flavor that's going to develop over time and it's you know it's microwaves not going to do it and some fancy instapot contraptions, probably not going to do it either. I think one of the biggest issues, so I started looking into the differences between electric vs manual and the biggest thing with instapot is, like obviously convenient. So you kind of like. I've never actually use one, but I read through recipes and instructions from and depart, and you put the mean in there and its first a brown and see the mead, and then you had your liquids in everything and there's just issues. Still You don't get that like mired reaction of brown like a true browning, your meat state

I mean it, and so you really lose a lot of rich flavors. By doing that, and plus, like you were saying, like you, don't have time on your side either. What I was thinking, too, is like the business of water right right, so does no reduction happening while because its pressurize the theory, or I guess science behind it is that has nowhere to go so it goes back inside the meat with all that pressure in there, so I mean I, I use a manual pressure cooker, quite a bit I like it a lot, but it's it's. It is not there. Same as say, brazing in the oven. It's it's not the same result, but that's year using it for convenience factor so you're working and you have a busy schedule and you want some time meets to be really.

Tender and a really fast time it's convenient. But you just aren't going to get the same depth of flavor. If you were to slowly, do it in the oven or crockpot for that matter, something in a pan transfer yeah! Let it go for six eight hours, however long it needs, but you get the same kind of thing, but you just think you just have to have that time in there and, like you're, saying the browning process yeah. So Go yes bilbil everywhere everywhere, but I feel, like I even gate, to separate results between crackpot in a dutch oven inside the oven. Would you agree with that as well? and how far away that is going to have more radiant heat from the metal vs? Just some of that light on beyond heat from the crock pot, I think you know metals is going to conduct a lot more. Dutch ovens are amazing, too big fan right, yeah. I think and plus it's just cast iron

author to touch your brain just wants them yet right. So maybe a little bit a placebo, I think it could, in a dutch of and in others, the best What else gives you that, like cars, that like caramel coding, that's real bitch to clean, off the radio that man, you know you ve made something: no yeah. My suggestion on the instant parts would be they could do they cooking stock in there like a really good stock that you poor in their eggs and you're sort of given you taken time earned from somewhere else and in applying it yeah, I would say, if you're going, to use and in spot or any can even oppression or a crackpot brown it separately on the pan. First ways and then combined everything. That's what I'm saying. As I say, I got really likes latte pan ills.

This is a representative in spot cause the lead on that in your steaming. It you're not letting any that moisture evaporates you lose, I can leave the lid off legal, but here's the well. I don't want to get a big fight. We already got about davy crockett, the. What like I have one, that's, not their brain and it's a deep ass thing and it's like it's searing and there's not seen still nazi stillness that gay. I want to move on and one thing real, quick. You know this is not quick. This is a long one and going out of my own order. You are jesse, you've been described as a did. You did you self as an adult onset laid on set hundred? Yes, what happened? What fish all my life I'm agro up and then, which is just north?

Figure in the yard this like re robert growing up. I was actually remember when they filled. Reservoir, I just came to hunting later on in life and worked restaurants. Since I was late, not a word and then learned a butcher first and then I did the hunting after I learned how to butcher animals like you own backup, so you do you started. We are going to restaurants, real young, sixteen doing what washing dishes and what not everything wash dishes. Bartender I was working, the kitchen, what got you so? What was the was the butchery that the move into butchering with elegant you eventually of interested became a butcher and restaurant. We were getting hold.

More than this is almost about eighteen years ago back when people are just starting to get back into whole animal butchery and it's restaurant. I was working then started bringing in hogs and lamb and we just learn to cut them. And then, after that, I was able to kind to make a pretty you know easy segue into hunting cause the back end of it was super familiar to me. You know, there's a lot of obviously a lot I learned on the front end of it. But what was your? What was your awareness? You grew up in texas, so there's that, like there's a huge hunting culture in texas, what was your awareness of? hunting and what we're perceptions. You have an opinion about it. You didn't have an opinion about it, as well as care is bought them a family. I'm the only child? My dad didn't, like I said we fished constantly, and so it just had to get out there and learn myself and finally did.

the turk, and then there was something to do in the winter. You know, besides fishing in the warmer months, and so now I find myself constantly occupied so yeah, and then you so you eventually got to where you cook a lot of game in restaurants and in your in your own places, Talk about like the pet, because I think a lot of people around the country. People here are familiar with it, but a lot of people around the country are really surprised to hear that the that was, like actual wild pigs make their way into the restaurant world yeah it's a complicated process that I mean we get me all the time. People know somebody roll up to the restaurant and knock on the back door and be like I got a pig out here at home. I know you can't so you don't touch that because no illegal, I mean it has to be inspected. So all the hogs that we get in are trapped, they're, trapped most out in the hill country.

and then they're they're brought into a licensed processor in a in a trailer, and then he kills them. They get there they're inspected before they're kill inspected after the kill, a blue stamp like a nice little texas symbol on them stamped and then brought to us from there, but that pig could have triggered noses. No one, no one except for that right sure the soak in a domestic pig I mean it's highly unlikely highly unlikely, but it is, I mean: there's swine brucellosis pseudo rabies, tularemia. There's a host of things that they are from hosts of. so we we keep our eye on it, texas, animal health, commission, you know kind of updates, everyone on cases and it's it's pretty rare to see anything come from the feral hogs, although they can be vectors for a lot of different diseases, yeah over ninety percent of the trick. Noses cases in this country

blackberry me yeah ago. I remember in alaska. They had a guy who got it from walrus, which really surprised me. Then you guys also, so you do venison to do. But then that's the weird, that's weird when I, when I wanted to ask you, but I told you I was gonna ask about it would be if, if you said, if you have a restaurant, sells wild game right, people have an idea what that is, and when you sell wild is that conforms to wild game or here's this animal, that no one has any control over? It leads it's own destiny right, just kind of does his own thing cruises around out in the woods, but with when you sell the venison. That's like that's like a farm animal. No, it's not necessarily lot of more come off, really large rages have a ton of acreage. They trap bulk of what we said. No and so those are actually. Clearly wild animals coming from the cap

and so they go in there that catch with net guns like shooting that over them big traps. Stuff like that, shit really saw a lot of what we serve in that so that can wind up in the restaurant tree yeah. Well, there's there's some inspection processes. Since there are not swine, they followed a different status, and so they they aren't highly regulated so busy. Wild game company here that sends an inspector out in the field and they shoot dear when non native, so axis psycho fallow dear things like the recent psyche, mean like you, don't like to seek a dear little like you, so he's coming as I do? The white tells never on your man never survive, so these are typically gonna be dear that are made. liberated autumn. Moderates are granted of high finance, but typically large and they are trapped, but for the most part my big things die so

they are living while they're, not in a pen. They are living wild and they're eating, mostly a wild diet, now they're, probably hitting the corn feeder here and there, but how many versus any wild deer from the state? It's probably about the same. So I also think that we are invasives in a way and it's it's the best thing that we can do while fallen under the parameters of the law, and you guys don't so you guys don't sell dear coming out of new zealand, never sell that matter. We don't sell any product any fresh product that doesn't it has come from texas. That's it As the man I had. No, I had no idea that that I was planning on the boss of your balls. you get a chance really. So that's what it is, or people you get like a look, pretty legit wild game experience. Yes, like that korea, we were using all know guy there. So that is

there's a wild animal, all the sausage we do at the brick and mortar no guy and then get a whole carcass. You know it's. We never know what we're gonna get it's. My guy calls me, Ok, we got a couple red deer and trot great room. That's that's might be for proprietary? If all, but can you tell me what you're cut of fat to how much value currents and make him like a europe? sausage pry varies: here's the twenty two, twenty five, twenty twenty five one What give me money this a provide our about good information for tonight's audience. So what are you so? You ve got hutton background. You get chef background

and in merrily about like pre on my back. It is harder to get information than it is now. I feel there used to be grown up honey. We has had like certain ways. We could everything And then you later learn at you had like people in the corner world and shouts and things, and they had their way of doing so. But the communication didn't there wasn't like an exchange of communication I give you are. If you are a rural it's the eating wild game, you probably cooked it like how your grandma cooked it and they probably cooked at how their grandma cooked it, and you didn't have this big exchange between the culinary world, You're, the professional culinary world in rural wild game people and now there's more freedom right. I think you'd agree with that. There's a lot more just exchange of ideas like, for instance, you don't less! Am I had dinner corals, whatever we had less had dinner your house last

We were there. We we capitalized on, technology that I had imported from my time in China, where one of my favorite dishes was with the chinese call hawk war, which translates basically into in your sit around the table with a big hole in the middle and hold a cauldron of boiling broth with all kinds of spices, and really social things areas gathered around with chopsticks in dipping in all manner of things fish and meat and eggs and coagulated blood in all manner of, shhh rooms in Aromatics yeah, it's like a fond. You kind of deal in so I was gonna have stephen. spare me a visit and when your hosting these joggers as for dinner, it ought to be pulling out like a package of ballpark francs and slept. On the girl, not that you guys would like ballpark prozac. What could I do to be creative? So we did.

Menagerie of wild fish and game from all over new mexico What we had why, yet While I we had horn, hard turkey, while turkey jib blitz. There was some elk we had. You know just like ever was in the freezer and it was of no. one way to spend any link with seasoning packets from china, yet put into the things of the point being that there's this exchange now? So, if you imagine you're You should read: you got a foot in the hunting world need yet. in the like the technical. Culinary world? What are the? What are the thing? One of the misconceptions about wild pigs that you find like when you talk it, like the hunters, have their own ideas about like what's edible, not annabelle, what's good night good. Where does that contradict what you found from the professional kitchen, while pigs

frequent, german or whatever you want to get into. I think in general I mean just the the collective consciousness has shifted so much and you can speak to this a lot I mean that's what you do is communicate food, If the people that are increasingly way more interested in that part of it, I mean they're starting to recognize that a dead animal on the ground, you're you're, halfway done with with this job and then there's more enjoyment to not just slap some italian dressing on it, the more rapid bacon. Although you can and whatnot when I was a kid, it was cream of mushroom soup in a crockpot, but I mean I think people are just. I just see so much more excitement about it. Now and more curiosity. People are willing to try.

print things in there they're just there being more adventurous and they're they're wanting to get more out of of that. That part of all that work to go out there to do, I think, with with hogs we we experience a lot of myth and people a lot of misconceptions. You know, like I've, been told that you know one hundred and twenty pounds is the biggest hog that you can so I got a hundred nineteen hundred twenty one got parameter it doesn't make any sense to me I mean I've. Had I've had a three hundred pound boar. That was amazing and you're, not going to believe that I mean trust me on this. I mean- and I think that I mean my my my mission- is to just get people to eat more pigs. I mean, invasive or tearing of land. I you know we, you know, there's there's people that don't have enough food out there like this gentleman, that's working so hard to feed them and it's just like we're shooting

piles of pigs and leaving them to lie in a field, and I think that if we can get out there and educate and show people that these pigs can be delicious, I'm not saying they're all stunning there's some of them that are stinky and I've experienced that there are There are stinky pigs me I've. I've had like I've shot pigs that I thought were way better than other pigs upshot if things go on, I would bet what's a bad pig worrying your back anecdotally demise, snare story stresses the big ones the bigger the pig, the harder to bring down the longer runs the more internalize is less lactic acid, build up the muscles. The tougher it can be, the game area can be a diet, isn't huge one. We kill pigs in south texas, which aren't nearly as good as the pigs that we kill in Lockhart, or maybe in the east texas, where you have four kinds of oaks or places where there's lots of pecans and oaks diet, diet, forms of

big part of that equation, but I think that just convincing people to give them more of a chance try some different kurtz try. The ribs tries more slow cooking. well, you know like really break them down, get adventurous or just or maybe not an adventurous. Is the right word. I think a lot of times. You know when you see arrested It's like this. You know nine hours to the project and its gotta linger buried, glaze on it and you need to shift and not a fresh man and you need to find go on, go to finally meant For on top, you gave me there's no way, but if, as I Why did you make a sloppy joe out of it? You're gonna do it's gonna be amazing- and I think, that's something. I think that's the way that you communicate to people, as you put it in the context of the first to recognise how to make a second recognise how it should text.

Is it true? I've heard so many times all like that? People say that where a wet sow, is like the best wild piggy, because it's your own time I mean who are pregnant so she hasn't had them yet, but for that it's the one you want he or is that just like another myth, or is that true, no has guiding the guy. The other data blood that we're one of our hunting schools and two souls walked out. One was admit. One was nursing and I was like shoot pregnant one because you think it's better meat yeah the fat stay in instead of going out. So you just fad is what you want in in hong kong. It's just it's all about fat. Can you what's up with agent hog meat? Is it not not worth it or we're in a warm climate? So you have the you know the the walk in cooler. That's got a lot of moving air in it then

you can try it. I think that its risky, it can be done, but I think that in a really cold and dry environment, you're, looking at up to about ten days with a hog but like if you're talking about like aging, like people are doing with beef you're pushing sixty days stuff like that and people are doing with pork, domestic pork as well. Right now, I I'm. I think that you D, better cheese and different battle. I think Yet the rigour morrison and cut a mature earliest convenience. So you, like the hard proselytizing, But let me ask you this, though this is a question ours. Ask people to like, so you guys enjoy this great read are not great enjoy this resource and you'd have as much of it as you want.

and it ended the animal becomes really interwoven into the culture. So they like the pig, has become you know or almost like synonymous with taxes, hunting culture boy, the reason is like gloves off on pigs because their non native in problematic hours. Ass pig owners is like I gave you a magic wand right and I said if you shake this wand, it'll be done. The pigs are begone, so so now that you're, not that far you wouldn't The one now. Why would I get in trouble with my friends it talks of wildlife too, that I'm sorry, I can't say I want, I mean the control. Yes, I mean we have been east austin like in city limits,

If there's I mean there, there are rampant problem and I have friends that are farmers and they want to shake that one too, and I think that we need to find so you do feel that there are people in Texas who would shake the magical. Oh for sure, yeah. You are shaker, not shake or carl you, because you have an obligation to america while, but if you do the shake it yeah, I would really be up you gotta find no door out here, but you know I can understand sentiment behind not wanting to shake it. I mean I I I can I can under Dan, how a species that you have interacted with in its fed your family and but all this time learning about in you know breaking them down and cook and unlike overtime, I can completely understand a priest the kind of relationship that people would feel towards that animal and so on,

but I'm not dismissing that, but from an ecological perspective. I would absolutely shake that one. Rarely would you shake it I'm staying out of it. Would you shake the one I feel like I'm supposed to say yes, but I probably wouldn't, but I would take the one. No you know we were in in in chesapeake bay the e shore and there's a fish there, a snake because of snakeheads snake heads here, like a non native fish and first snake the water and everyone oh, my god, snake has you gotta kills off the end of the world's naked. Now you they do it would like snake, had details, it was now many years snake had details in their truck window, where we have this way lay. I think that humans are so pragmatic, where we have to say is like here: it is it's good to eat.

you know when life gives you lemons, you make lemonade and we kind of are like really quick to adopt stuff the non native stuff. There are tour like most of the places we hunt turkeys, turkeys, aren't native there, that's right there. We will probably wouldn't shake the stick on them. Would we know I wouldn't shake: stick on those poor birds yeah, but there's a very there's there's an important differentiation, they're, not deleterious. I want to touch real quick words about chap ass, like an episode or two ago, because rouge app as like. What's another word for it, chafing jc, but the swamp swamp ass rica me. May they like. It was the number one. Probably the number note that of the things we get written about, young heart is probably number one. People who are the number one in turn, longterm people dying.

Young heart we, Question no logo where someone was it was that lives in sacramento guy was asking you man. I want to ask, is by don't my wife to know, and he wrote in and you saying that if you got so, you got a rabbit that, after guarding the rabbit, why does ones flageolets smell exactly like the got around that an enormous amount of thing and one guy roared in and he described phenomenon called day job, which is like this guy work and like a bird coroner somethin and he was there. He thinks through our little bit that there's like volatile fatty acids when you smell something fathers, volatile fatty acids and that somehow they get in your nose here.

This is it. He was saying that you get one you smell and offensive smell later. It can carry a trace of that, giving one since sense of deja vu which idle suffer from, but on the chap I think to really inner. They pieces of feedback wonders all these products that people have the debts solve. Jabez, but what I was saying he was with a guy one time. The gadget have air so bad that he couldn't walk. It was their bad and he took his sandwich apart and took a piece of bologna out of it inlaid that piece of bologna between the cheeks in order to hike out Another guy has another guy rights in that the way to cure it. This most interesting could cause and he's taken because they are brought about this. He likes

It niels foreign with origin, like the to the youth, numbing age and he's like that, how take care of with love but our move on and I want to touch on. I want a move on another subject that does this came in and I already know my answer because I've done this before, but he he is a guy. I get it goes something like I didn't write down as many details I should have, but does like a guy he's, got a girlfriend and they live with a roommate, his girlfriend, its wild game. The roommate warranty eat wild game just like for eats meat, won't wild game. What of it? ethics of just lying. In giving them the wild game.

in these every word. You guys think about it. Go for it. You that you are totally fine television news I got nothing against it. I don't feel like I'm doing them a disservice or lying to them. They're going to come out of it. You know something bad's going to happen, I have a negative effect, you know from the wild game. I tracked him the yeah like the guy that did the yeah. We talked about the guy that was serving kangaroo, meat, school kids without telling them but he's, but that guy lost his job yeah, that's a little different than just chicken your roommate little bit. Would you pull a fast one carl I would say, depends honestly some if on the one hand,

We've all had roommates right and if your your roommate is like eating some food that you've provided to some extent, it's like you're lucky that you're getting food from me. So there's that dynamic and then I think, there's like an important distinction to yanis point about whether there's potential for the food to have like a negative outcome: son, I'm senor thinking about like the example of all these people that have been exposed to see dvd positive. Dear me, for example, so I would say if you're talking about like sharing a a roast from dear that, you know, is healthy. That's one thing: if you share in some kind of funky like brain dish. Ok, try this and then, after the fact, you tell them what it is or if you share and meat from an animal that you're not sure like see dvd status. That's it is kind of some grey area there. But if it comes to just like, you're, making some food and they want to eat it, but its content,

upon whether or not its wild game be like. Have it tell me if you, like it, and then anna and I wouldn't I wouldn't lose sleep yeah. I think I would give him housecat me. Do you know what I'm saying That's why it becomes really tricky, because how do you draw the lines that well the the reason we're all doing? This, I believe, is because we're hoping that it results in like the light skin, I turned off and they're like, oh, my god that was that was awesome. Please I'd like to eat some more now right like that. That's why you're going through that process. So I kind of did this the other day now, because you like not the category where is it can't anyway, but so I've been I've been accumulating: I I've been accumulating ungulate tongues for the last few years. In my freezer

and I got to the point where I had a moose tongue: a deer tongue, uproar in turn, all bag. I thought these things out a cook him for eight hours, in the slow cooker and my mom is livin with us right now. Mama because the kitchen I've got these things on the cutting board. She what we have their am. I don't worry about it. Making this year like. Let me make the dish: Are those mushrooms of some kind like no like Lemme. Let me do this she's like what is it? Is it se? It's you know it's food, I'm cooking holbeck! Let me do this and I end up making tacos de lingua with these tongues and they turned out. Fantastic and service to my mom s, servants, my wife's, my daughter, my mammas, like these are the best tacos I've had in years. These are the best and then a couple hours later, my wife and my mom, or stand in the kitchen homesick. What what thou art

It's things you are cutting up the other day in the kitchen. Let you know yesterday in the kitchen- and you know I was acting kind of shifty and my wife's like what she talks. I said well, that was what we had for tacos and then my wife gets real nervous or it's like what do you finish? So I say those were tons arms like now like what you said. Those were the best tacos you had in years, so that's an example words I know that meat is totally safe. I know there's no good reason and my mom is a pragmatic and she's, the one who is always told me if you're going to kill it either? That was like the golden rule son, Sk in my mom Would you rather than I left this tongue in the woods with the government well when I brought out all that meat, or would you rather put it to use to make the best tacos you've had in a couple of years, you're helping me clarify my perspective on my perspective on as it's, because I've done exactly that.

and I gave my mother in law tongue like cold, chilled cubed cured tongue in a salad, and she later said that ham was so good yeah, but here's the deal it wasn't like I'm I I would totally I feel the need to tell people what it is there eating. But if I know that someone is like, I don't eat acts, I dont think its ethical to trick them in the EU. What they say: they don't want to eat, and I don't know that it's your business to tell them that. Their reason is right and I agree with it. That's draw the line a little bit, because I had like a religious dietary prohibition, I wouldn't then feed them. Yes, it'd be like nah yeah. Now that's messed up, for you know for sure the une perspective, to offer, and I ve done it before you ve done a diver tax

diamond now I was yet that it feels like a person who eat me, and although the nagoya diver dark, I would totally screwed efforts and that's that I can now and I don't even think they knew of his death there's like they knew it was something while but they're like well, let's while game, but that's good. I think they thought it was venison. We need in this phone arose for adult member. If I told them or not, I mean we carried on with the nine nobody was What was at me yeah. This is more related and unexplained work related a minute here, but this is, I think, I've been like saving up emails and people that are all kinds, the same thing where this

not simulated, but trust me, I'm gonna make it related. They also might not the same thing or I'm sorry. Saving up emails of people asking the same thing it'll be like if you kill an animal and it's been injured, Or offer towns will be like, I found an m with an infection or it, broad head in, it was injury is it safe to eat. enough, where we ve had a guy right in and he later we talked about this, then he rolled back into clarifies point, but he once I'm hung a deer up. Some kind of What the hell was a raccoon or something not on the model of the deer, and then he was like. Is it safe to eat so

Where do you personally draw the line at which something that's messed up is not safe to eat? I mean we Whipple, you know bullets, shotgun, pellets, stuff out of out of hogs. I've seen you know, rice breasts and ducks the rice breast is that strict And asked to match its pretty general infection, but I think that that all kinds assists the. U meets packed with says. We. I think that I can fix a pretty generalised, you in injury and you can cut it out than its five min, considering you also just shot a hundred fifty grams of, led through it and got another injury now, there's dirt

in blood and bone and everything and you're gonna, just happily kind of cut around all that and all that hydrostatic trauma and and kind of make that powell paddle palatable. Looking piece of me, A small injury that doesn't indicate like anything worse if the animal was an acting like super sick than I think it's ok, but you might help headaches I have discarded entire legs because of injuries and infections. I once I'm at a turkey the muster. It's whole breast was shot because it did most of the pitched into a tree, but impaled itself with a stick, and it was just horrible and ditch that so I'm not like I'm not just like eating sacks of pus out of stuff.

But it is a thing that like comes into people's minds, but I can never think of it. I've never thought of a thing where you would like an injury would somehow make something inedible and get you sick. when we had the like the bear that gave we had the bear that gave me and janis trigger gnosis. I had to send some to the cdc for testing, but I still had most bare me and I smell one of the bare hands, so we got sick of it and we knew that this thing had eight hundred and sixty eight, Larva programme in my book There I had signed up to bring a dish to pass to my brother's rehearsal dinner for his wedding and I was there on their bring. This small bear him and then white man yelled, a small bear him. I was going to bring turns out and I told him about what was wrong with it and he said well, don't tell any

and I thought, as I can't not tell them, I have to tell him he's an event if you're gonna tell em don't bring. Because the minute you tell them that this has all this larva living in it you're europe Take all the other food suspect, but no one's going to trust anything. You say at that point, so in that case I again was, and I was incapable of doing like the lie. Even though I cooked at one hundred and sixty degrees, you did the right thing unix, oh, I do I fill in somewhere, like I chickened out. Gimme, a what's gonna, all this be dear.

we want to get a zombie? There came a quick pull europe actually most cripple. Now, We know gate for while it came out, for while arose all hot bothered about this peace research that sums researchers in Canada had taken mccall maugre this. I say that weren't mechanic mechanically so some researchers can set out. We gave them a cat monkeys, see w de infected meat and the monkeys contracted, see w de turns out. That's not true it was they never been publishing. It wasn't peer reviewed when the national in super health looked into it. That didn't happen, how you messed up I'll, never understand, but wasn't true, but really got people inside another case,

Someone was doing a fundraiser. I think that a fire barn fire department fundraiser they serve see w accidentally serves cwd w de infected meat. Two hundred people, this is so years ago. I believe, roughly seven years ago, eighty seven of those people have agreed to be monitored. They ve been monitoring them since nothing yet. there's no known case, was no no. In case of human contracting, see wmd so the quartet to things two points. But there are get this such sticky. subject: there are people who remain like imagine most of you. People who remain like. I definitely want to know more, I'm going to get hysterical, but I want to. I think that we should decide.

It can be, I think we should be investing money to learn more about possible transmission. Then their appeal but who have already made up their minds. There's no risk whatsoever. If I want to go. my body dogs, place heedlessness, z, dvd area, and I want to get me from like ten see dvd positive dear and I wanna gouge out some of their spinal toward- and I want to take some other glands and I want to make burger out of it. I'm gonna make paddies. When I meet. A total, see w deed denier, I'll cook that burger, and I will lay it on its plate and if there's some of its eads their burner object. Now, let's talk if they hesitate than unlike, were in the same boat brother like that burger. makes me nervous, so never and the berger and never mind a blend of twenty whatever. If you had

you get a deer, it comes back, cwd, positive yums. Would you eat the deer, not not eat it, not eating it? No, no! Not going to eat it. I dunno it sit in my freezer for a long time. Yeah. That's a good point! Now: it's not know don't eat it. You're, not! You know, that's the answer. answer is no, don't eat it, sucks in a task that dear, I feel that apple ongoing middle ground. No, no there's no way out, given that I would not give it to my kids, but I would have a very, very difficult time discarding. Maybe I just keep it my freezer and look just serve your mother in law. If

like an here's, your dear reader, has horrible, where are we wouldn't do that? Cindy we love, you know, I wouldn't do it. It's is scared. there's a couple newsy things I want to get a new, but the couple hot button issues, but this can be the one it terrifies me. I don't worry about, and I dont worry about the resource impact. Meaning I don't worry about a man like keeping up at night about reduce dear numbers from seed from seed obesity. Not worried about its terrible, it happens like here is something if somehow, some omniscient, all knowing being could come and say see, WMD cannot and will not be transmitted to humans, I really, I would never give given much thought I would kind of lose interest in it like that.

People were they all. What's going to me for dear numbers legato, I just feel like italy. I joined the list of all the other. Damn diseases that sweep through deer herds down and wipe them out, and then they come back, but the food that the idea of hunters getting sick from venison is is just upsetting. got wrenching bought the coolest thing in the world become Somehow not cool is a heart. Rigour in I don't have that at this point, also that anyone can really say any more than I would add that it's happened. It's happened. We haven't had the confirmed case of a person, contract and suitability from eating. Fact, oh dear no in thousands of odd levine, but we

I've had already the culture around dear being compromised by the existence of that disease, and I you know I am speaking about this from the standpoint of a guy who was in grads. In madison wisconsin, shortly after it was discovered in southwest wisconsin, and why in watching the way, just my own circle of friends over the course of the last ten years, the way that our conversation says have evolved around deer hunting in that part of the state. Those impacts are already occurring. Yeah. It's it's changed. You know if you, if you're thinking about where do I want to spend my precious time We from work when I've got a couple weeks of leave time to spend over the course of the year, and I want to fill my freezer- don't try. Oh and hot in an area that.

I know and love and upon it. A lot, but has seed of you dear, do honour maybe try to find another spot to hunt and it makes it real. Want to go back and hunt an area where you might you know you got a coin toss as to whether or not the deer kill is going to be able to be something you can feed your family. So if you look at all the culture around the activity, the land ownership, it's just a it's a very real and very sad state of affairs, and even if we don't have that example of a person getting sick from it, just the risk of that, I think, is already copper I think the hunting culture and it frustrates its enter your head. Oh it's entered my head and in in to see the inaction that has persisted frustrates the hell out of me man. I think now exactly half the states twenty six states, texas, not right, you don't hesitate, we really do have no great. It's pretty was urgent matters. Twenty six is a little more

oh okay, but I mean it's like I feel like. I was like twenty four and then two more this year somewhere around there in texas, as there's this quarantine area and then there s arthur, said, Antonia an enemy, west texas. Sixty six confirmed in texas. The on everyone in here who would eat a sea dvd positive, dear that's a good one, say: Yeah, there's survive. There's five and here nobody, your bird though you get the that no not by crazy spinal cord burger. Like my live note, burger just that like a mega honestly curious. So, if you would, it is a nice com young they give you, Edith, Z, dvd positive, dear k, if you would, well. You know

not even the nice clean, yeah I hate it. I don't want to. I don't mean procedure was the theory that maybe I'm not familiar with parliamentary procedure. Oh parliamentary procedure Oh you don't real quick. Did you know that I was reading. The guy was a guy wrote in saying that eradicating pigs is part of the. Use new world order domination plan. I didn't do. It was a fake. Gee, laid out a very fascinating case we're gonna move real quick. So now we do, how do we can pick our person everywhere. We best it up. We're gonna play we're gonna play seen through the bulls

someone has come up and there can be presented with two lies in a single truth: right. You know, but rather, as one does grab someone, so we know we like select something early, so we're gonna play and but, for example, economic replay does that we wait that long ago we played this not long ago, and I and we accidentally did we accidentally did three lies, because we were talking about we're talking about a faith that the deadliest tiger, the deadliest animal ever was the chomp away tigris, and it was a tiger who had had messed up teeth. Some people believe that she had been shot: bio, poacher, boss, the dirty.

The tiger then dedicated itself to killing humans and eating humans? And this this, though, jokers that its probably more but attributed this single tigris and killed three hundred and fifty six people and it was killed by a ice ice screwed up, and we got a lot of heat for this. I screwed up and said that the guy that killed Jim at the core, I said that he was american, the deuce british people pissed. It was like, when I said, safe use and died at the Alamo people worked so less. My correction corbett was british. Now, if you will not, if you win was that you a contested that are a contested, easier, jay nice to meet J J, nice mutineers gravity,

stacy, look right in the ivy, storytellers cavalry itself things that are there's one. True thing hiding within this: do you want what you want? First truth: okay, are you familiar with how you've met with youth hunting? isn't there, and you are aware of the fact that now and then a dough, a female white ill will grow, antlers, ok, tendencies, youth hunting season, a new youth hunting season record was set in tennessee by an antlered doe. The individual who is holding the record prior to this kill has actually contested the new entry because it's not a buck.

Ok, so I have a story that weaves together bear and national forests, and it goes like this. in the nineteen eighties, narcotics officer turned drug runner by the name of andrew thornton. Was traveling over the Chattahoochee national forest in a small airplane containing forty plastic containers of blow coke, the white stuff? he threw all kane he's through through the containers out of the plane down his parachute, leaving the plane unattended

in route to the ground, unfortunately became tangled in his own parachute, plummeting to his death agents when they went in to recover the drugs and his body. Expecting to find fifteen million dollars worth of cocaine, some forty kilos instead came upon a very dead black bear. The black bear had died, of the single most impressive drug overdose in the history of wildlife. Halogen stuffed to the brim with the white stuff, crops revealed, the bear had died from a combination of sir cerebral, hemorrhaging respiratory failure, hyperthermia

renal failure, heart failure and stroke that bear that bears now stuffed and on display at the kentucky. mall north in north lexington, where he dance the monaker, Pablo Escobar. The old all old are so. Are you familiar with the lone starting Ok, you're, not alone started the loans thirsty. We are now and for various simon up, so we have a check that

carries. I think it's called an alpha gal, carbohydrates, and so when it bites and infects a human goes into the bloodstream, we produce a whole bunch of in a body and basically, I'm an allergic reaction so severe, We can no longer eat red meat, so beef land so I'm just explaining what the tickets were just laying growers getting him off the ground work got this tech and recently down in south texas. They stumbled pine, a ton of their several that were really scrawny? They started I, for I was wrong with these kids and they tested them and they contractor this disease from one start tick, because it cannot be

and now you need help from the crowd. I can go to each one of the storytellers and stand behind them and the crowd can yell louder as for who they think is the truth. If you need How will you quit review review gang? The story of the Youth season, wait till dear record yeah. This story of pablo ask a bear and you have the story of their seat that that the average in the meat allergen that can be cause there came the humans can contract from the loans are tick, has afflicted, has been proven to be older, afflict coyoats and make them intolerant of meat, which leads to their amazing asian and eventual death, and they all have briscoe hard!

that's gonna help you you knew. Let me let me real, quick video, so. What we have is so very the five thousand acres, my friends of border tax, who we knew that we present to see and do the bullshit we needed a present and you get laser range? Finding binoculars real expire, real nice? No press lifetime more I thing you could if they burn up a housewife I'll, give you new ones most you get. Some chunk of plastic descended. There is a day of was ass, the crowd, dales store about the veggie kyle's by both, do you mean by bullshit you be true or not? that's a lie. Carl store about pablo Escobar,

story about the female balkans, now the state, youth recorded at heart. I was leaning towards that. One really was you were leaning toward the the you see, though, was that if you want to win but it's not all attacks. And I'm gonna go the texan way and I'm gonna go pablo Escobar Thank you man, I'm not dead. You all very much.

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