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Broad grin why you do not know intolerable our produce. The current current. Do you understand what I'm talking about? A dollar Dan Have you been to a with a dollar dance? I have not know, but I'm I'm getting like a picture. In my mind, there's a part of this thing over is low loomed up, does a euphemism for drinking. And they re part of night. every lines up is the way to raise money for the bridegroom to buy a house every lines up. Throw dollar into a can and you could have very, very short, dance with the bride. Shot. How short? Really It depends on the line. Okay, a quick dance, it'd be a lot of people per song, oh got it got it yeah. So, like a song, the bride, my dance at ten people got er off, though, and in money to raise money for the couple or get a shot. Like ladies get a shot dude, you don't you, saint aubert and yes, the dollar dance got it

or they might have the thing dollar dance with cal for twenty bucks our goal is? The conservation I want to The I want to end the off their live shows where you can either leave or do a dollar dance of the cow for twenty bucks. All effects happening, go, go, get your tickets, for this most important part will be hoping when a dance and now you're buying scientifically barred is tony bugs. Twenty bucks now raise a cow or twenty bucks. You can my order that area the playlist in my hair. What if we have a spotlight, shouted down on you? You can we're. In my ear all the things I'm gettin wrong, but whisper loudly cause, I'm death, now think about. Ladies get a kiss for an extra five. I am so much money for conservation, but what, if they're like a thousand people

then it'd be bad media and you'll jump in and we'll start dancing with people too. If, but, but my wife pointed out that no one's gonna dance mania, either gonna wanna dance at cal, but if someone was like, you know needed to get out of there, because babysitter avenue just needed a dance. They didn't care who they got it from arguing the kids. Okay it to count. There will be a great opportunity to come down and have fun with bunch outdoors folks, meat, eater off the air Levin city's tickets go on sale, friday january fourteenth. That's by just next schools of thing on our own website: demeter, dot, com, promo code, mugs. Ten, a m your time off their books, dance GAO k were by very special guess, wit, bosworth second, ever time on the show good debate here, the first time if we did what we can do right now, would you like a conservation round up?

wanting eighteen out of the eastern shore, you'd been cigani, and now that Nineteen colored does is settling remains a new dost, a stir. But the does settling from twenty nineteen and we can review like the lay of the land yeah that great we gotta take old and we need to say yeah he's gone well wit forsberg seo I love you. I said that the first time it had done, as you know, who see over theodore, roosevelt conservation, partnership, T r cp. We talk about a fair bit, yeah he's gone. This is the fourth ever episode. He was a present for he's out ice fish. He's on assignment is part of our fur. Her eyes to her, which we haven't announced,

Jani and I were duck hunting the other day, and he let me know that he is not much of an ice fisherman, which I found kinda shocking. When you take into consider, do you know where he hails yeah, but he's not a true outdoorsman. He just says: oh I come on. He is not a true outdoorsman. I will often I will often invite him to go. Do things blaze go ice fishing and he can't going skiing, you cannot be a true outdoorsman andy's gear. Just can't do That's. Why me in south flip our pleasure are the only gironde oarsmen, you can't the uk. Unless you skated you're, like scheme on snores users. Are you? Cannot it just doesn't work? I was flabbergasted recently to find out that that there has been

We didn't hot on christmas day, o re I know they had a sit up or something. No, they don't hunt on christmas day. He grew up not hunting christmas day, not taken a walk in the woods for squirrels rabbits or ice fishing. The whole day They just sat there other up all night do in their pagan rituals. At times they drink too much the latvian people, quick for we get into the main. Stop your little. The lame stream media refuses to cover on lambs of peoples. We ve been time lot about this. What happens people's limbs fingers and why, when you lose em here a story, the sky is again Edmonton. Guy descent, thanks, we've been taught, I don't know how it came up, but somehow we got to oh, it was from getting de gloved

oh conversations round your wedding ring tearing the skin off your finger and silicon wedding rings are the way to go. I it's no ring at all recently fell ass, mine, my rubber one, but that got us into talking about this various things that have happened to people's fingers and This is article out about this guy Edmonton, who gonna cut ass long time ago in his arm. He lost the use of his arm, but he packed it, he's on a motorbike, his brothers, more motorbike any packed it for twenty years, not workin, armed inward, You don t time to move on and had the arm amputated told tells a doctor that he wants to keep it. And in the end, after his army amputated, he goes back and brings is frozen arm home in a sack.

calls around do a bunch of taxidermists, and most of them won't even consider his request and eventually he gets hold of a taxidermist. They even give the name of the tech. I want to give kudos to this taxidermists legends taxidermy in Drayton valley, Alberta. They finally agree to take care of it and he gets it euro mounted this point as the article on looking at there's an image of him. Holding this bone arm up a warning about graphic images below the image. So it's like, already saw the image he you brought it to christmas this year to show everybody. He says

he thinks he might eventually retire the arm and he's thinking about our quorum. I'm just gonna but probably behind the sink in the kitchen, from the there is a gift line from the taxidermy S, husband, wife, taxidermy team- you don't, story. Yes, you know more than I know about it. No guidance for you you no more, but I d rather different the short short version. When also you heard a quote from the tax nervous, yes and dead, so the one hour, man calls and the wife picks up the phone, and she said well you need, bring it down in person, so I can make sure it's your which I found entertaining guy. I have a guy, it's, u arms shows up.

but he's got a harmonised and says he wants his arm out the incredulous. Yes, the smell of fish for sure the husband, the second half of the taxidermy team says you know what's up and she says well, this is what's happening and he says no away and she said well: he's on his way down here already in the deep hail that I kind of war because she she did say that by then the needle did they beetle, That's the detail and I walk so I would feel very differently so typically for european mount either. your flash steam the meat in hyde off of bone, very busy donor with when checking to see of legends, taxidermy and drain valley, pat that they advertise beetle cleaning services beetle,

in legends tag and very valuable, but real curious was a beetles or was it a boil and clean rank as your ye gas dear knowing what I'm getting at right is off different, but look at my beetles. The same way again, evaluation drifted beetles to clean it. What do you find is, interestingly, not interesting, fascinating, scrape, ass characters, Then they had to get us all at that. until we get get the final result, but they had to do with bones were left after the cleaning process. Legends taxidermy then reached out also much more about that. This was just a real tight snippet come from their perspective. I reckon I can

remember where it was from, but anyway they had to reach out to a doctor friend of theirs and hand doctor assumed superbly, and they the doctor, then put it back together for them. Because she apparently looked at the pile of bones was like. I am not familiar with the laws yeah. This goes together. Where should be bombed right. If that's europe began Jim other arm to work on? Did you get any sense of what they we should just call these guys up? Do you get any sense of what they charge for this? All of that, in the article not my version. you never endorse taxidermy but on board, and I will because he's got le just unstable do just inside to disabled and the me, and he me yesterday afternoon was like you can get these waste time you're, not a system dialed, and then I immediately regretted the price that we settled. I did yet overcharged winner,

finally gave in and pay for something I wanted to be as painful and arduous, for the person I'm paying as basel bargain their way I got my monies renounce you. Harold began again argued the speed sable amazing disease is, is justin sables? Does he go by? Is it sable to what he calls place? No, it's bridger canyon, taxidermy, he's a good dude love that guy does a great job. I met his mom super nice little easiest lion, hounds yeah, knocked on the wrong door and instead ID tell to go around the house and follow the path which I later found to just in studio cheese. I come with me and we just walked through the house that she was in her nightgown robe

I felt pretty bad about ready for bedtime when she was just just getting ready for the day, but she was watching somebody else's dog that she was very politely cussing out the whole time which was cute so how's it going vil. I have a legitimate website, but they have a facebook page and there's not a lot of info, but on December eighteenth they posted a picture of them building a some sort of it. I dunno the arm box and it says, are new, some home for our beetles is almost done care to protect. The word fills gathered a private investigator area, more quote from from the guy. He said that he's tom. I call different tax at says. A couple of them told me no like right away. There is no way they were going to touch human body parts that's a major news quitting! my dad is doornail. You guys know. That means the correction.

Wise doornail dead were no beyond me where that expression come from fell. Got nothin. Never you still have your knees, soundbites cute up, not now right now, I didn't know he was gonna beard here near yeah. All with will tat went in I've got an also Jani note. That is doornail means in your answer to good sound bite me. I got it. He he's got a stab at the word. internal comes from, it was explained to me, he's energies, carpenter and when he was an apprentice, car It was explained to him that frontier doors were made with two layers of boards, The grain running at ninety degree angles and the nails were driven through unclenched. This makes straw door that was not easily chopped through right yeah. You wanna, know yonner in like you run year, but anyone is

max knows. You bought a run. Your accident, you want a splinter, sound, the neuron, your acts in parallel to the grain, the blade being parallel to the grain or what the grand with the grain but has backed by boards that are cross, and he got that eagles goes on to say that this strong door that was needed to chop through with tomahawk no nails were hard to come by an expensive so often times Use time and again, except door, nails being clench that tight there was no way to straighten them, so they were considered dead. The only way to resuscitate them they be recycled the blacksmith shop. I like that, like the one I do now, you're buying

the first framer I worked for his dad was also a framer and that's what he did. Every night, you'd have a beer out in his shop and he'd straighten all the bent nails that he picked up around the job site and then then distribute the eye straightened out. was the next day to his crew. That's good yeah! When I was a kid when you, my momma, dad was annoyed with you. One of the things you do is give you a. He kept two meat loaf, ten full of bent rusty, nails and now then you get it checklist of chores you're supposed to do and on there is straightened the damn nails out on a hammer and anvil for reuse. Okay, first thing: we wanna do and. could you explain, get up. Data was gone out: new mexico stream access law, yes, so, basically, the foundation of this is

new mexico stay constitution, all water belongs to the public is just as brief as synopsis that I can give you ever there's some stuff changing, there's like trouble. Bruin two thousand seventeen bill came up N n was voted on two then have process to which landowners could dick where their water non navigable and they added a rule and amendment so the landowner gets to say when they are land owner gets to apply for the set In water, if they have their properties on both sides of the stream, a river gotcha, so he's got a case of the ass and wants people not access, and he can go and say like hey, you know yes and then new mexico. fish and game declares or does not declare looks it is the landowners situation says

This applies or does not apply so far, there's been five permanent supplied for and received two or pending an additional two or pending hans. Oh five have been accept Yes here, but I think papers and charmer would be too water, get any sense of what kind of do these dudes arthur that are trying to get their stuff revoked. I I would to get back in there and do some proper research and see exactly what the cases are four year public sway reasons, though the ones I get thrown up, our like fishing lodges, neo up any fishing Yes, I'm curious, I say they we're gonna do is, is it? What is it like that? I was the motivation, is it? Is it. Trophy home. You know as it likes.

eighth generation. Ranchers is a reply, shops and so from the private side of things as well. We're just come in here and loot and leave interaction and I'm sick of it, which we can all understand nobody icy trash outside, but anyway the so new governor Michel Lou. couple new seats on in mexico, fish name board, and november. Two thousand and nineteen, the state attorney general hector ball arris and evaluates because been asked by the new mexico fish name board. Finds that the new rule, this non navigable water rule, is unconstitutional. and unenforceable alone. The helmet get this right all waters, historically all waters regard as public they maker.

Will that says you can pull your shit out of it. Then a new administration comes in and appointees their say. You know what you shouldn't be able to pull your shit out of it. Yes, and this was has been tested several times the case it gets brought up. The most was a nineteen. Forty five went up all the way through the mexico Supreme court. Then you meant new mexico supreme court at that time said you know. According to these, take constitution, all water, longs to the people of new mexico and and then just to kind of like to show support for this, and this is this was just at the beginning of er. I'm sorry, the end of two thousand and eight Seen just couple months ago, senator you'd all and heinrich an u s, rap, damn hail and they in in support of a moratorium,

and non navigable permits. So folks at wanted god to apply for this non navigable status, which is obviously in great question, and I Udall heinrich halen. They wrote in to the fish and game board, said hey for all the. recent that benefit our state would appreciate it if he s would put a moratorium on us and now to get in two really the the gossip section of this. The intrigue is there a Joanna proof cup who was a department head for fish and game new mexico, fish and game for over twenty years was one of the new seats on the new mexico, fish and game board. Yelp commission and

she just got notice. Gittin had allowed add new public water folks really happy with her and. And she just got noticed that she will not be reinstated so, but she's pro public excess, not answer. Public access, correct erect, sir but she's gettin she's gettin, like a trouble for having stuck up for stream access law amount. That was a question in the beginning and she just came out and made a formal statement that she says this is all she can come up with said. Look at my background. I look at my tracker, there's no way. I should be not ass back to sit on this commission. This is what

boils down to is the stream access situation, and you know it is unfortunate. It's down to this core argument of the us versus them type of situation, and if you have If you, if you own ball side, the river chances are you have some influence and folks here I see it. Rich folks going in their weight around now against the little folks, and yet it is bomber had vexed every if, if this law were to go through stream, access allows lot I access not just for fishing. I use it a lot easier to couple times for honey european state of montana tube. Drinking beers. Well, that's just good good family fun right,

hi. Nor does a lot for people not does a lover access issues. We he's got some stake in the game The alleged actually go out and do that year Sounds like you, the sitting: u s. Senator from mexico, modern heiner, who went out on public lamb and kill the bowl. The muzzle loading. She'll be there come on down the trail and making an artery this year, two coming down the trail and run into dude and shoot the breeze with the dude and then realize he's a sitting. Senator and yeah Some some current interests, part at the trail head- well loved the lion yeah. So that's your this is, someone's going to go on for a long time now, but right now- and I should say you can't trust- pass across private property to get to

public water right. You have to enter the water legally and in this survey now they're saying that You could get issued a warning, but you will not be issued a ticket if you are found, in these sections of water that have been deemed

non navigable, drought. You do and yeah I mean it's. I I I know there is some build up back in two thousand and seventeen when this came up in front of the house there in new mexico, but I can't believe this. There was such a good rule. Favoring public access in a place. That's got a lot of public land, new mexico. I can't, I can't believe it it passed in two thousand. Seventeen makes me wonder what was going on was, if you hope I assume that's going to get litigator right We have probably the state's supreme court of sindh the constitution. Yes, I would ask what happened here montana on multiple occasions. Yes, yeah and most recently was sail. Your rain right was that that was the most recent one down in the ruby. Maybe and then you had the whole mitchell slew over on them

better for that and yeah. But this has been sort of a constant theme of the states like montana new mexico them. You know Butare that have more of these open access policies, as opposed to wyoming colorado, where the landowner owns the stream bottom. Yes, any of the. If, if, if the biggest gripe is people leave, their trash by like guide absolutely get that I hate see interaction for one or another one down it s now, but that's it! That's! A red herring is like a proper. It's too important about your trash is because now it is about, If you live in new mexico or hang out new mexico, he should watch the issue because it has a lot to do with, like your ability if will live in states where you have stream access, you don't even think about how good you have it. You know we grew up with a michigan where you go to the launch on a river or lake or whatever or the pollack launch and put your boat in and then

oh down the river and you wind up in a spot. Where private landowners, neither side yawning, think about it. You, like Well, now, motor down you can't take that for granted. This is like one of the ways that people will attack your billy go outside and joy nature, an indefinite new goes absolutely gorgeous I'll land of enchantment. It's you come up with add a came up can happen? They're gonna happen where we but goodie here in Montana and idaho, so that eminences everybody's issue, we all the ability to travel these places and and enjoy? You know these states rights and buoyant in its hugely beneficial to have the ability to track down. You know

down stream, a mile on an hunton some hard to get to spots and are just fish. The thing and some of you have to pay attention ducas I'd I just feel like if anywhere within the EU s, we demonstrate. you know a blog, a attitude. You know not the willingness to fight over this stuff, yeah man. It is just a slippery slope from there. It's everybody's issue now and I think Israel exacerbated in places like mexico just so dry. You just have less rivers less opportunities, so you start taking those way. You know you've taken a significant portion- yes, oh yeah, that's a good point: there will you have limited, navigate again or new york where I grew up, I mean there's a lot of water and there's a lot of access and you lose a stream here or there. He may not notice it new mexico. You would notice it now. It's a good blunt! Alright, when you're ready

fired up. The stewart gateway nights, public lands in general, we just covered public waters, but what like, if you consider public waters being part of public lands which is fair, yep twenty nineteen thumbs up thumbs down thumbs up, is good year. Then we started off good bread. Beginning of the year we passed the senate or congress pass s. Forty seven, they publicly, as will bring breakdown download it. So. It was a did, a bunch of different things in the way congress works these days, you don't pass individual pieces of legislation like a senior wilderness bill or anything. It comes in these big omnibus bills, because so little passes anymore, that whenever something is moving, everything gets piled onto it. Oh, that is that's the strategy. Oh yeah yeah. So because yeah, it's just you- have very few vehicles move through. So invariably, instead of just one provision is going to be one hundred provisions, and so that's what happened with what form

the base in something like that and you're. Typically as you're on this one, you could, you could argue that was land and water conservation fund norgrove. It could be some of these public lands bills, but essentially just you need to have stuff that's what everything is being tacked on satellite something that a lot of you want to see pass in this bill. There was nothing super controversial, so you had over one hundred provisions. You had do over a million acres of new wilderness created at six hundred miles while the scene, this created you permanently re land, water conservation fund which, as the primary tool we use for public access, especially to public lands, within that three percent of that has to be used for public access projects. So this goes back to things like the on export. We did.

Talks about landlocked public lands, yeah yeah, both on the federal side, as well as on the state side, collectively more than sixteen million acres of public lands, the public can't get to so three percent of this land and water conservation fight is now targeted for projects like that by a simple section here or there, an easement someplace, though then open up a lot more public land. So little bit different way of thinking about access we have in the past, the past land or conservation fund has been thought of as a tool to preserve big landscapes, yo big tree, ix of forests that are timber. Company is selling things like that which are still really important, but another use of it is these small strategic acquisitions that are based around access, and I think we're going to see a lot more than that. We saw that reflected in this bill. So now that has been permanently reactor eyes want, what you say is bills popular. They re like what did it passed by so the overall package in the senate, nay to date, and what would like what gimme a profile of the aid. They have various reasons.

I remember hearing one time that the wilderness, when they created like the wilderness act there was ninety ninety one in the senate, because the one didn't think I went far enough correct. Is that the case with the eight? Oh? No. I notice the other way around. I mean you have especially some western, a mere westenra centres. It honestly just don't like public glance, maybe you'll get a guy like MIKE Lee, neuter whose word of native over this he didn't, but he's made his name on railway against public land ownership near period and there are some folks lot- it spent too much money. They didn't spend all that much money, but anyway, they sort of ideological, anti public land. That's where the eight came from gotcha

Well, the ninety two yeah. They were like something more. They are like to have the atlanta water conservation run permanently funded as well. We didn't get that, but we got at least currently reauthorized, so we don't have to worry about it disappearing three years or five years or one of the typical reauthorization is so that bill was really important and the fact that it passed by that, the wider margin? Are they really represents kind of a sea change in a lot of public lands? We think about the rhetoric. Over the past ten years you went from the Senate seeing you and I binding resolution that LISA Murkowski offered that basically said all public lands other than national parks ought to be divested and yeah. That was that passed with pretty much all republican votes. Now. Compare that to this were a year Expanding protections on public lands are expanding, while the scenic rivers are expanding, the acquisition programs create more public lands and it passes ninety two to eight

so I think from that original, yes, sort of sagebrush rebellion, you know kind of mentality. We were seeing really a decade ago. That was, we saw these bills passing on the state levels like demanding return to public lands to the states which have never theirs to begin with, but you think that rhetoric has really got knocked down pretty good, and I think, when you saw jason, chaffetz essentially have to withdraw his bill. That would have sold off three point- three million, if the public lands to balance the budget. If that really was a sea change, and you saw the outdoor industry association move, it's show on salt lake city because of the bad utah politics on public, yeah. So we really so I think the momentum has swung back in favour of public lands, and I think that's reflected in this vote, which is yo. You can't do much better than I do eight I mean you could do a resolution on her mother had now occupy the private passed by them. who feel like a bill says like we love motherhood and apple pie. No forget that do we

I'm am a friend pie. Do within who in the administration who, within the trump administration, is whose influential there you know I mean he said he signs it right. He said I think you're the sector interior. Clearly, this is mostly interior related bill. Okay, I gotcha yeah, that's who's weighing and that's who has that? Who has the president's ear exactly and for an art has been pretty darn reasonable. I must these issues mean he's been great on access issues he's been yes, we're approachable on here, land management issues, so I think he recognized that this was not only was it. There's no point in vetoing this you're going to get crushed on an override yeah, but it also has good parts.

it makes sense and is not draconian anyway yeah and you gotta, you gotta DRC p worked hard on this. Oh yeah, no one but nacho sauce made tons of groups, wildlife, federation, bh a yeah, pretty much everybody supported this. I mean, I don't think anybody in our community oppose this appears. Another provision that was in this overall bill was clarifying that public lands are open for hunting and fishing unless they're specifically closed through open and transparent process, and that was really an effort to push back on some of the things the animal rights community at attacked, like they did in Michigan a few years ago. They are the entourage, I think national forest. Yes, we're trying to get hunting shut down there, all the time it was yeah now did I miss that yeah? I can remember. The cameron was here huron wherever, but at that time, if they got somebody who didn't like the noise of gunfire to try to shut down an area and it really was back door as it does in addressing a pro animal rights community to go and try shut down public lands.

And so this is yeah. Well listen. There are some public lands, make sense to shut down near near campgrounds, yo other things like that, but there ought to be a public and transparent process to shut those down When you see buffers like theirs, you go to river access sites will say no discharge, a firearm, exactly yeah, so I I'm in, but there ought to be just a thoughtful process. Closer is off not because you may know somebody may hear a gunshot a few miles away yeah so anyway, that did this. So, even the right side of the community that typically does not weigh in on wilderness and wild and scenic rivers yeah. They are enthusiastically in support of this because that, because they saw that is taking away one of these attacks in fishing. On public glance, do you ever see arm d? see a situation where people- in the animal rights movement will. Let me take this thing, for instance, asked seven, where it's ours he doing is beneficial to wildlife is beneficial to habitat preservation. Do you ever?

Is the situation where they'll sabotage the movement of something that, on the whole, is good for wildlife, because it enables harvest of wildlife legitimacy it back, A real actual problem. Germany oppose that provision that open less clothes provision for years, but witness tact in with one hundred other professions saying. Well, what do they do and then then they have to swallow their pride and they support the overall okay unless it is all in all we anyway, even those the for them in their exactly that, may maybe some of her I mean I didn't follow what peters wasn't he? I mean there with the reasonable players who are actually out there right. I mean now things. Nobody gets everything they want and when these packages are just why it pass by such a large margin, because this sort of the the fringe elements on either side get knocked out. And yes, someone This makes it on a sense, and I think this is the way you're gonna see it again. My guess is that, early this year here, LISA Murkowski is gonna put together and energy package, which should really be a public lands package too

because there'll be assortment of the smaller bills. Yeah that kid or you're ready to go with are non controversial, and yet, before you get into the election year gridlock, this is another. Probably I think as good chance. Got another package that moves through we've been trying to get LISA murkowski on the show. Without any luck, she's a tough one to pin down yeah. That's why I get around show yeah and she's, you know being from Alaska. I feel like she she had like whatever you have a lot of opinions she would yeah I'd like to ask you some questions. Gate breakdown, the farm bill for men or I like,

Google of you will know there is such thing as a farmer, but they don't really and understand it. Why? One thing I guess to point out that makes things tough on the education side of things is like. We need these certain things within the farm bill, the past, but you're talking about the farm bill and or the transportation bill or the energy bill, and people get really confused. So it's hard to be like no of that, this, these sportsman's issues are buried within this thing, but it is the transport it like. The whole package, yeah rat as the farm bill, is like less aid. If the farm bill is composed of a hundred things too, to arm directly applied, sportsmen are well with ratio is

yeah and there's plenty of people out there who are like, I don't have a farm. So I'll tell you what to tell you what the ratios are here, so we have if they basically nine hundred million acres, united states or in a farm or commercial forestry production, tommy again, nine a million acres. So that's about forty percent of the overall landmass of the? U s is in your bases, you could largely call it in farm and of that about one hundred and forty million acres are enrolled in farm bill conservation. So that's very thrown back there, I gotta luxuries numbers, you wasn't well how many acres of federally managed public lands. We like national foreign nationals ravages. I think the number I see a six hundred forty million and how much acres of land again are our in egg production, but nine hundred million and of those of those about a hundred and forty million acres are enrolled in farm bill. The conservation program, okay. So in what is Amy, but that in context, elasticized these privately held lands privately held lands enrolled in you know, basically the farm

all the conservation side of the farm bill which, as they sing, largest air from a dollar standpoint conservation program, the united states may as thirty billion dollars and yeah. So that's, but in the broad scheme of things the overall farm bill is eight hundred plus billion. So as a roadways like seven per cent, I think you have the overall men, you can add it up different ways, but a railway small portion of the rural farm bill conservation, the great majority of things like food stamps? Polynesia nutrition broke all that's part of the farm bill and I was a? U, how often they need to haggle over the farm bill every five years, It was a deal. It was cut a long time ago. Your base you'd get urban members and rural members to support something first, damned programmes in formula Who knew that and forgot it yeah I mean that's you, but when you have a farmville, that's where all the debates around is around your food stamp eligibility requirements and figures, and things like that

but that was a very intentional deal that causes are not just sit around argued about pheasant habitat. No, that's me there None of that, we argue about pheasant habitat, but the big scheme of things were viewed decimal dust in the overall argument. My exit, vulnerable well, it does but remain a member. This is the this recently we really get a farm bill passed as you have that weird coalition between urban inner city now the black caucus. You know, folks, like the I really want to make sure they have their in back in the seventies. Was this all started? There was a real nutrition problem, this country, and so the farm. You know the food stamp program that time was really created envelope address. take your neatness country, but the same time. They realise that this also help farmers who wanted to have. This is some guaranteed markets within the country food, so that was how the whole deal got created in the first place. Was urban members

want to go to the rural members to create a farmville that was good for farmers. It was good for the inner cities. That coalition has stayed pretty strong. I mean it's been frayed a little bit more in recent years, but you have that's the reason. We're able to get a farm bill passed now so go back to your region question in terms of orders that look like some of that: thirty billion dollars it's broken out in several I remind me again, the thirty billion dollars it in How do you characterized that junker though so there is what we call the conservation programme of the former us talk, so so so that it does the whole thing with all it. Everything involved is eight hundred billion, exactly which is that's real money as roma a thirty billion you'd, be doing as the conservation part we're talking about the thirty billion dollar piece of pylians, our centre and

in other vr sort of environmental legislation. The farm bill is one hundred percent voluntary, so this is creating incentives on private lands. Do the right thing for your soil, for water, for fish and wildlife- and there are a couple of there- are two different ways you can do that I mean there is the one essential why they call the land retire programs like the conservation reserve program, where you pay a landowner to set aside your basically the morse, marginal land on his or her farm and manage it for conservation yeah for him to get better water quality of our wildlife, habitat and farmer gets guaranteed income for the court source of that content of the course of that contract. Which is typically ten to fifteen years, so right now a conservation reserve program. There are about twenty two million acres that are currently enrolled in that program if you're, if you're a hunter- and you keep your ears open. You will at some point in your life here, someone say: let's go that crp p field exit, that's or talking

and if you I knew that line that I knew that in the crp field line long before I knew what in the world that meth yeah that's a great program and then it's expensive, but it serves multiple benefits made. It helps what was originally created back in nineteen eighties was during the farm crisis and it really was created as a price support mechanism, for murmurs away to pay them for not forming yeah, I feel just just jump illnesses is. I feel this is a thing that you you hear people gripe about so much people criticising farm subsidies. pale. It's all subsidies and paying farmers do nothing, but we need to look at a sort of World history in american history and stars make a lot more sense. I mean millions of people starved to death during world war. To get you had view, real hunger crisis and seventys is like if markets collapse, some way, some global thing causes margus collapse. Do really wanted to say,

be that everyone has a farm that can't get through that period, that they sell the lan return. golf course or sub divided or whatever the hell already given. Some way that you can do that. You can our people to hang on land, keep it an egg and be ready for next time is a global crisis exactly because you can't expect people to go like break grounds, Our start, a farm because we have a impending famine, is, I think, Are we ready to roll back, but young people? I'm sure. I'm sure there are abuses like everything like you any good program and if you focus on the abuses the same way as me, saying hunters sock, because some people are poachers as, of course they're abuses, but me your lab people, dog and on this policy programme is like it. You can do it without really think about the implications of it farmers all had to go bankrupt every time. Something happen when is a very different back in the nineteen eighty seven eighty days, was area bessie, just repaying farmers not to farm now, yoke, sierra

He and the other wildlife programmes. Conservation programmes have been much more refined, and so there geared toward really actually helping things like water quality, soil quality while life there incentive. So if you enter your lan calendar, you see our p you're. Also, some incentives from the federal government to go in your convert, put in pollinator habitat. As well as way more targeted and strategic and beneficial for the public at large than it was in the old days. And your odyssey pollinator habitat yourselves goofy, but is not incredibly important, incredibly employer view like value meal, agriculture, flowers, yo, anything and You were the losing it and this is a way to encourage bring a lot of that back monarch, butterflies or the poster child for loss, opponent, habitat so the deal we ve seen a big change about. You have crp pay, you have the conservation, stewardship programme of environmental quality and habitat programme quip,

accordingly, we judge on the box will be more minors if you're, seeing like an areas in intensely lands and intensely you lands alive, intense use of herbicides and pesticides, and you see like radical reductions in insect life, we'll go to the reality that, like bats, goes beyond bogs, maybe like on turkey's a turkey Paul said Indeed, percent of its diet is animal matter bugs you can't Are you going to strip out cigars? Who cares psych dude agri, eunice strip that our life, as you know, is going to continue to look the same. You can't like knock chunks of ecology out and aggregate terrorism, when people, if someone were to roll their eyes about pollinator

but tat. I believe I can only turkey's or whatever you know I mean you essex, its essential staff. Mountainous is great, does not just even turkey a mean about why quail at Sea- I you know The onus important for and that diversity is just deal good for ecological reasons period. you don't understand right exactly that is beautiful. So yeah. I think there are a whole bunch of benefits. So I think that in the days when you could justly criticize some of the farm programs is just straight subsidies with little public benefit other than keeping farmer afloat. I think it's very different. Today I mean these programs have been refined, have been approved and I think you're seeing yet way broader benefits, which makes it frustrating when we have a survey, wendling c r p like we're seeing right now, yet that's a prior cut. I wanted to get to that because one we're at the time, c p meaning, there was some talk about

when he was available for farmers to roll and see our p, but it wasn't flowing threat, so they were, they were really. There were people who could never. Farmers were put a tough spot. because one end they want to do in role, but they couldn't get the the translation and we're going to put into a tasks power, they're gonna have to try to do something: to figure it out it grew and farmers. So therapy reached his peak? I think it was in two thousand and seven, which is about thirty seven million acres enrolled in that program and that there is a direct correlation between a low commodity prices and enrollment in programs. european, because when you're not making money off grown core or beans ralph alpha, whatever might be then see. Our p looks a whole lot better. During the It's one of the go go years of the two thousand and tends to the year two thousand, seventeen yeah. When you had seven dollar corn, things like that, you saw a bunch of land move out of

or p another concert like that contract would expire and you're going to grain production. Some are just going to make more money or just break a contract and get the penalty and just go straight in gotcha, so over that I'm period, we lost about six million acres, odyssey of crp or not six million acres of ass land in purely land and pasture land got converted row, crops and as our rice or through the roof, grandpa s wrath. Router of now you have the exact opposite now. So when the previous farmville was done back in two thousand fort taught, may grain prices shoot the roof thereof? variety of things means Justia. We had huge good weather year. I mean we had huge export markets, so I think there was one coinciding with like bad russian wheat crops and guys like that. You also had yells where the go go years. The ethanol subsidies, so that was driving production of corn in the air, was the oh, so that was part of it. It was just a really good time to be. A farmer was not a great time.

be a conservationist, because mall this land was getting moved out and converted row crops. Now all of a sudden yeah. We have your trade wars and yell cry. Prices are through the floor and there is huge demand to get move land into crp and other conservation. Programs at a minimum just to stabilize farm income, yet weather the storm, because eventually a prices are going to stabilize again yeah cause they're, they're, afraid of where's, if, if they're not able to do see our p there, maybe in situ, for their further contributing to flooding the mark of grain in cuba. Or is estimated that listening to their records suicides on farm country right now, record, bankruptcies, aminos is a true crisis right now and instead of giving them a thirty billion dollar bailout, which is what we've done to address ceo, some of the impacts of the trade war. Yet we ought to be moving a butler land into conservation. Were there? payments, which are also in public good. At the same time, I'll get like we're, the taxpayers are get more out of it right. So when the two thousand

Eighteen farmville, though we pass, which was a good farmville again. Thirty billion dollars on sir made improvements to the two thousand and fourteen farm bill change the conservation programs a lot it got rid of a bunch of them consolidated and streamlined them created a couple of new ones like the regional conservation partnership program this most recent farm bill didn't make any drastic changes like that, but really improved upon what we did in two thousand and fourteen and you're. Among others It expanded see our appeal, which had been known to twenty four million acres in the two thousand fourteen farmville, because demand was so low. It kicked out back out twenty seven million acres, because demand is much higher and determined to non resident. Twenty four in the previous farm bill in the most recent twenty seven now make that budget neutral them. limit less profitable for farmers. They reduce the runner rate a little bit. They reduce the assent of payments little bit, but they were all the end result are making the same spanned again: three: more million acres ass, you and others, given their money, now know so, just in december

For the first time in four years they ve done a sign of prosperity which has thus insane because you having acres expire yet huge men, farm country, but we just couldn't get these guys to do, and you sign up so finally guys drawn by agriculture, farm service agents, what reason are right, so you so farmville is mandatory funding, so it doesn't have to be appropriated we're so this essentially yeah something that he you're done and they don't worry about it. So it's not them for the vagaries of annual appropriations like land and water conservation fund, I mean. Obviously we want to get Lbc off off budget for the same reasons so you're stable, money's coming in you will notice going to be, but farmville programs are truly off budget. So these are mandatory programs. However, if you don't spend the money like you go and they look, oh mb will look over a few years and say: germany has spent the of the third of this

or two years and then we're gonna basic cut, a bunch, your money away, so the devious their cynical of those among us like me, who has been in dc a long time feels that this has been busy back handed way to reduce the baseline, so in other words, spend the money that congress expect them to spend and then have a whim say what she's gonna spend the money, so we're gonna reduce that overall amount and be off his management, a budget and in there, There are indications that, like the original farmville, there was too expensive nasa. This would be best back to our way of not implementing it. The way congress intended it to be implemented and, at the same time lose that baseline, so it makes it less spendy for the federal government doesn't show you're running quite as big a deficit as you're doing it, but at the same time it's not providing the benefits the ground the congress intended. So finally, in December they announced new sign up so

if anybody is listening and has friends and farm country time to go to the farm service agency, get signed up for sierra p d. Get down there get down there, doug sectors of the fund, the line in a few votes to learn more about and good. We have a website called c R. P works now get out of work

So you can go there and learn more about the program in general, but we're we're expecting is not going to be a great sign up because they lowered incentive payments significantly. So in other words, instead of that the payments were going to putting in pollinator habitat that used to be about forty per cent. Now, in this new sign ups down about five per cent which is yeah just it really does not that help, so they also moved a bunch of the continuous funding which is way more expensive, which is non competitive. And that's where you do things like. You know a lot of the rio like sage, grouse restoration is work being done, and the farm bill is in this continuous programs. A lot of bobwhite restoration, longleaf, pine restoration- is being done under this continuous programs are much longer term, but they're also more expensive and yo, but a lot of those wildlife programs

it had always been in these long term programs now getting moved in the general sign up, which makes them much cheaper. So the folks like landers, will not get the same amount of money form, so we are in if they think that, while we should be getting about eight million acres, it could get signed up. I mean, I think, we'll be lucky to see six million just be an increase of six million them. So right now, twenty two million acres and rolled they're about another beer, six or eight million that airbus expiring in the next year. So there is a in the cap is twenty seven acres. So there is a lot of room to add acres, and god knows form country needs it right now, but we're not gonna see that we're gonna see yeah we're gonna see Acres added, probably about six million acres- may kick it up to air from twenty to 'em up a decent amount, but given, what's expiring, is not going to come close to that cap of twenty seven Others geography lands in hawaii, for instance like where, whereas all the stuff, not that, I know

well. I've been here, I've got actually a map on my computer, which I'll I'll show you when but yeah you getting got to give these folks. You know the value of their time and gas, oh exactly yeah, and if They're gonna go, spend their time and gas are going to look for a better return as accurate, so we're, going, be disappointed with a sign of the gwent curly going on, but it's better than nothing worth throw they find. not assign about, but long term me. I we're gonna hafta we'll have a serious discussion between congress in administration about implementing this programme. The waste intended will be organizing comments on behalf of the broad the has been drank, dragging its feet. not not sort of exercising the will of the people in terms of, and it made a part of the problem there is to it. This is the one conservation programme that has minister by the farm service agency and not energy us in that resource conservation service they wake every day and think about conservation of farmland farms.

if the agency doesn't so it may look at the big thing of things to do today. Now this is down toward the bottom gotcha steve's earlier point is the one that is the development threat, you know I'm in farmers and ranchers they do what they do, not because they have to it. There's that's their life. I mean that is the way they choose to spend their lives and eventually They're gonna get point where it's like man, it's not worth the hassle and you're in a place like the owl. imbalance here my mom's place. They are outside of buildings where its, but just kept this sucker up and get a paycheck and and move to hawaii, as is accurate and that's the real threat. Long term. If you drag your feet on the simple man,

asian. There are huge ripple effects through me. A farm country would much rather have the argument of c r, p or row. Crop verses, see our p our housing development, because once it housing is now come back two years not going out, they are filled what we're gonna move on the arm. So just goin There's a map of were hotbeds. Ye are being at betis, better european upper midwest. Worse great plains, boy things he complicate when you move down there to our lives, the upper middle class, great plains and colombia, colombia drainage, they feel, I like that noise cal uses in gals we can review. Where was yet, we moving not yeah put that noise in Gaza. Access yeah toy nineteen domes our thumbs down sums up, the again it far your kind thumbs down in farm bill think thumbs down farmville

just use down wondered have so one dogmas, went on the sideways yonder down a hit me do things on earth. They give you both thousand access. Good. What's got? U thumbs, algorithms up an excess, so we ve been you honestly debut then the inter environment have been really good on this issue. So he's been, we sort of done a bunch of things terms, opening of hunting and fishing on refugees and. Places, the streamlining rags me. We had a situation the past, where you may have a refuge someplace that had totally different regs than the state, which may make sense, but may not make sense, but made really confusing. hunters, and so a lot of that has been streamlined, they've also yeah. There are certain refuges and other public lands that got closed for no particular reason, and those gaulle got reevaluate a bunch got reopened. So that's good. Perhaps the most important thing he's done on the access front is doing with what we call the disposable lands for bill

am so under the original flip ma, which is the federal land management policy act which, since he governs be management, they are required to everytime. They were review or renew a resource management plan. An r n p look at areas that don't make sense for them to onto and are suitable for, disposed. Give me an example. What that would look like Allison If ever have plot inside the city limits, las vegas have still bbl. Am I just some? We Lastly, I am interested in historical anomaly, maybe parlor railroad grant or something here long term agenda and but it got to jack rabbits after her could be so bad Waiter, inner, probably are a variety of the affair. Lands out there that makes sense to be swapped are disposed of. fine and it honestly on jason, showing a land swap required. so, as I have a parcel that There was in the city limits las vegas and yo. The city really wants that to expand the strip may just use a hypothetical out of the hospital I go at the hospital

spittle ok, then they could enter into say, ok, fine! We have what we, the city, a las vegas as this farce, away outside a town adjacent to a national forest, while swap it to you in exchange for this peace in town, you're, so far as gets bigger, our hospital gets bigger right as a win win for everybody. There are some rules in place about swaps. After being generally here the same value things like that, yeah. So people are coming to manipulate it, but there is a. It makes perfectly good sense to do things like that in this house. I do a lot of in holdings and places or through things like land swaps, but you're. The part of the problem was in that original flip MA oregon bill when it talked about looking at land suited for disposal. If you're basically talked about, whereas we're difficult to manage isolated, and talk anything about the recreational access. So you have a situation where you may have a section. Six hundred forty eight six, forty acres of beyond land someplace, nowhere near other belem lance, but it may be adjoining state lands, were national forest.

in the old days. Bill m would automatically put that parcel disposal list because was isolated did make. It is hard to manage, did make sense in terms of big picture agency management, but what we got day bernhard to do was a change the rules and he should a sector order on this three. Three, seven three, that when near the as he comes up and looks at areas. Suite of disposal is important for recreation, including hunting and fishing. It's awful list, god you. So it is again- and this is a direct result of some- that annex work we ve done that identifies sore land what public lands, because, if you're disposing of some of these isolated parcels you're impacting way more than that one or that half section that may be out there and that's old eric siegfried have an accent I had one hundred junk this year that is so prime so prime for dispose or land swap because its surrounded by we're not talk in my pocket

ranchers out needs to Montana were were like big big money, and you know corporate holding Terrible situation and burnt they're, not in it for the cattle and this ground that we had in his great recreational. Well, you, but it's not something Oh, I'm can even gideon and manage of it if the land, around. It decided that didn't want him to know with so wake up and hearts So recent, my bachelor, it has tremendous wildlife, don't you think about like the defer, the the wilkes brothers in idaho and now montana and you're, obviously they're going to if they are, they may have some lies. Parcells makes us trade to the federal government, but yeah their exchange may be you that one section which that allows the public to get to that national forest behind them. If you get rid of that, make that private, then

Essentially you privatize all that elk habitat behind him. You can imagine the manipulations that go on so now with that sucker order. It basically prohibits blm from doing that kind of stuff, which is great, and you know I've met a lot of credit to your bernhard ninties for doing that. One now I say, and also the access for the fact that we got permanent reauthorization elder bc of huge win for access we now have again and- result. This annex project, which bernard acting or did he get the disease get that so he did a good outcome got too, but what what about them? Acting director of the b. A lamp was as a whole. recently. I was out like the w you p p, so well, for now and because there are still more document here or the access to, but another thing we do in the project with onyx over your life, is that the agency's often have no idea where they have legal acts.

So they may have maybe even access easement. There was granted forty years ago, the others in the basement of some. The bill amber for service office someplace in a car bore file box and yet what eric and the company found was it? There was a huge need to get that information digitized now in the public sphere, because Is it very hard for you or me, or anybody to know where illegal access our roots are now, so we have an hour bill, this being an it dropped in congress. Soon. That would give the agencies the money to go in and exploit digitization while these access areas and yeah that's something I testified in congress on the last year about the need to do this because with the agencies told us, was it if we, if were left to ourselves under current timeframe, it'll probably take us twenty years to get the stuff all digitized and that's just ridiculous. How often do you justify

for congress, so terribly pay in two thousand nineteen testified five times. I personally did three. I think the VON I mean, if you sort of you, know your stuff and for us it's not bad. I mean there there, no hostile, they don't look boss. Your balls rubber, now, just ass, you are right in December, I don't see dvd and the senate society. I talked about that where the myths and environment many enemies, supervisor funny no that good questions I done their homework, everyone from new Barroso from wyoming too gillibrand brand new york. They don't roll go, oh god it's the gay likes to be outside and no animals not knowing that again this is and the weird way. This is one those few issues actually brings folks together in congress, and I must say, cbd, I'm saying that in conservation hunting and fishing broadly

and I remember right after the election, when trump got elected, you know, Martin heinrich, came and talked to her policy counts, which is the sort of collection of all the ngos that are part of the partnership, and he said almost nothing is going to happen in congress these next four years, this positive other than what's in your space. So he says you guys have an unbelievable opportunity, don't waste it, and you know I think, we've taken his advice on that. One and we've been pretty aggressive asking for things and honestly been getting most of what we've been asking for this great now. So I knew on the access thing. I think that's been pretty much yeah a good story. no matter what side of the island you're on you want to win life. Everything else is such a pain in the neck and not likely. You get aware when, plus you just want to show you can govern and do something support for your constituents and doesn't matter where you're of sierra club member safari club member I made these are things that your folks can agree on. in our nose. You have vp a hip and three three: seven: three s over

If three three seven three is that technically order, I just mentioned Dave Bernhardt, vps hip, is going back to the farm bills, yeah, we gotta programme in the two thousand eight farmville mia that I was known as open fields, but the technical. Your name is a voluntary public access, habitat incentives, programme So this is a programme that we just got expanded to fifty million dollars annually, which are competitive, grants to states to negotiate walk any smith's essential with private and all good, so you have your allows, actual money. They can use and ass. I can they rolled into their existing programmes that absolute good, so lonely to start some whole new. Damn thing up, but part of the cool thing about the vp hip programme is that you have states like connecticut massachusetts, pennsylvania that have created walk in ams, because all the said now, there's a source of federal funding. All really and then supplemented with their own ways of a pie. Exactly- and this is really

started back in. I think Kansas was the first day that really did this aggressively back when Steve Williams, whose you know then became fish wildlife service director under george w bush. But in now roswell management is stupid. He was fish and game director in Kansas. They create this walking program, the basically to get people out there of me of pheasant hunting and upon bird hunting, and it became so popular colonies were giving the states grants really create walking programme Diaz areas our roquat. Well, let's talk about is poor and eat, no The penny where your state has wandered, needs one programmes or land owners are compensated. The financial compensation to allow people public access to envision lands and that these programmes tend to. Are often times programmes funded through hunting or access programmes, funded. The hunting fishing We have the basic montana Montana. Is certain,

Foreigners of licence revenue fund, the public access programmes does now like you're goin. You noted in Colonel thing is like you're going out and taxing everyone on the landscape to allow hunting is something that that the hunters anglers are doing the old can afford? selves through their agencies through their state agencies or a federal help, and the cool thing about the vpn hip program is. It is also tied to conservation. So you don't have the risk of yeah some dude vo, getting paid to open up his row crops to hunting and fishing, where there is no. No, wildlife so to the centre that proves that land is already entered in other conservation programmes, sierra p c s p, he conservation, easement whatever might be or higher. So all really orchestra, there's other while you have to have a task, can be much better in these types programmes. The other thing is is good about this. Is it takes liability away from the private land or so of yokel troops? Breaks leg in a dutch yeah he's not gonna sue. The landowner state assumes that liability,

they will defend the are that right which may be our guide them love uneasily bombing, like a shoulder to empower the Mona crotch, but the reason I county would support. This programme right is again tell you how many counties to old townships we go through where is very obvious. The only money that's coming anna's from recreation weather that is cunning fishing floating as far as a local motel is the local diner nasty. These folks are benefiting from this and that's why you find the sioux falls in november, and the big banner you see as you leave the airport is welcome. Hunters because an economic driver station to bear Yeah you roll into big orange. The big orange bush signed up to a gas station with the mediator crew they're, going to get hurt on snacks notice, the philippines the noise party,

rather noise I haven't labelled as a swish in my I get. This wish gay see dvd thumbs For me, that is, sums down thumbs down thumbs, outdated thumbs down in two ways its thumbs down wrong. I'm guessing the prior way stones thumbs down as it spreading yes more counties all the time I mean. There's more testing revealing more spread, yes, How else is the thumbs down the unwillingness of most politicians to accept as a real issue and deal with? Why are they not scared? this about what this would mean for egg. They ought to be So everybody, some other guys, a mere like what, if how horrible be what if a human got see dvd, but why Why is this the livestock industry now considering? What's going to happen if seed everyday spreads in the sheep or cattle even too

I can it be like an egg apocalypse. Well, as it has taken us Further, let's say norway has already banning the import of agricultural products from cbd positive areas, because it is trying to control c to be outbreak in reindeer in Norway. So how long is a boot until the e? U bans agricultural imports? should deposit various and as twenty six states right now have it lotta suitably deposited areas now country and the latest aren't paint they're, not paying attention so mean needless enemies is improving error. You did, I think three hearings this year and the house on sea dvd, so we're deftly making some pride in the sense of getting people be aware of us. Yeah marc veasey, who is a congressman from texas, ran that fort worth area who's going to get our big award this spring yeah. He went to the floor the egg during the appropriations. There are big award expect dearest pay honours one democrat one republic in some way for the private sector every year is big fundraiser an April steve got the private

There were a few years ago this year already, congressional honorees are earmarked easy from texas and garrett grace republican from Louisiana, but mark vizier went to the floor during the AG programme. As bill and offered a member to add fifteen million dollars to go to state fishing game agencies to help with surveillance and testing, which was the first thing you need to do to get on top. the, and that was unanimously adopted that comes over the senate, just great and then the other senate egg opprobrious committee cuts that down to five million of which half might to state that state agriculture farmers for the captive services. story, so the testing, who knows maybe do testing. I don't know me we have no control. We will try to breed yet a bigger buck well this year. Who knows what it's going to be? Maybe it's? Maybe it's going to be used for good things, but given er kept us asthma usda and how they have dealt with sea to be, do we have?

today, as he is like one. If you told me that the visitors to boxes, unless I'm on a gameshow there's two boxes and in behind boxes like behind one box of the car brand new truck in one says, see dvd spreads to livestock and one box says seed ivy spreads to humans and if I got there answer right. I'd get the truck. He dragged me fully be the livestock one? You know. No much We have four legs. The other now even the same grass, all the rest, you david like so that's one of the things that massively bossy deputy. As I look I'm like, what am I missing? If I'm scared, shitless of those people are scared. Maybe I'm wrong. Well I mean less. I mean there's a dodge industry out their folk sewer agenda. Sayings a hoax not be believed and not

but I can understand that partner. I get it. I listen know this. I turned out turnouts. Billet group think dude on this. How is it a hoax, a hoax, dies, lay in their dead and it's got symptomatic where's. The hawks always been around now jumped to humans. Nothing to worry about did not come out of the captain Then we have given them capture dear farms, have nothing to do with the spread you at right time. I agree with you I tell everybody, I'm like man, I'd yeah. I hope I'm wrong on a lot of things every day, but the disease transmission stuff, you research, is funded by the. U s: d, a like he had all comes down an iowa ohio, all these eg schools? U s d, a 's paying for a lot of that research and it yeah it's it's bizarre to me- are okay

I know. What's a lie: okay, texas: how long ago, when did Texas first get cwd dunno, it was a while ago, but it started much better job than other states who controlling texas the there was a recent case. I think in December, but I'm still trying to trying to I'm trying to better understand- and I got a pretty good sea, w deed denier use to be someone who didn't think it was a thing? Yes, now a seed Indeed, denier is Someone like this kind of changes like being revived? I'm Is the council been republican use, be you are like free trade now doesn't dean, and I used to be that you think I was a thing now morphed into its a thing, but it doesn't matter quite as like what, Is that deny it has moved on the current thing, our p, other people who are saying that

a new state to get already sold. So they saying that if you went to taxes twenty years ago and did all the monitoring you would have found it, It's always been there like what exactly I dont want to try to get inside these guys heads, but I think that I was going to say it yeah this been around the neighborhood. Have you could have gone out and if you did all this testing they are now doing nobody was looking for it. Then you know now think about you, you're, like like montana heads for his case a year or two ago, and then all of a sudden you look like donors like twenty. Some cases will make the apple all always in their monitoring every dear that comes out of certain areas. So you you see a big increase and then now you these have a baseline. But or from zero testing to testing that launch to give you an increase. What matters is after five years of testing, whatever these are talked to the beautiful we dug dern, whose really

there in his area should be a powerful about this, and he's able to point to one is ok, we were doing exhaustive testing. So we have multiple exhaustive testing to look out to sea increase by I just wanna understand arguing that arm that it was all. Is there some like, where niagara but it was always there, it wouldn't be everywhere. So It is pretty clear and you can look at the maps that show this were spread and isn't it. Is something like it doesn't. It spreads like how shit spreads yes or to spreads faster and shit spreads, because you can throw a captive deer in the back of a truck and zip it across the country and me on a greyhound. us and yo, it's all of a sudden mixing with other dear and dropped off hearing it. One picked up there, so but when I was there, when you have a new infection, you find a new effect

It spreads like in a way you would imagine it would spread. Yes like it's a circle that girls and girls are exactly exactly and you may pop up other places which you know you scratch your head about. But if that's the the truck in this lesson is not just captive, guys can be yummy, throw in a truck near deer. In the back of my stop in driving the few states in addressing it and dumping it there. Well, if you listen to the guys that are really, I don't want to use the word, the the people, for sounding the greatest alarm, and why is it not that you moved to hey bill yep yeah, because the prions are? hey bail during the dirt when I started can count wise and I move enable may day this year is accurate. The frustrating It is an apple. I heard that riesling member congress have staff and they autumn informed on this male member real, say to me, while the other they risk to cook I meet longer.

yeah. Well, yes, I remember a hundred degrees. Seventy seventy well done. I didn't we- be their own. You know what, if you're good you're deny or whatever the hell I mean these days, god bless you, I feel like deny. Usually you should be. I feel that we should throw a lot of so I can be proven right right do I so I will, when I have argued with someone I would spend money to prove em right so prove your right. I am sure you know what a lot of money at exists is like a hue mongers deal and is not a hunting. The associated if there is to it shines, that's my avenue into it, but I will have to leave. But if you care about even if you care about the livestock industry- and I do I'm like you- know how to go- save a cow stopped and I was about MR, like thousand condos what area the third

yeah. So anyway, that's when that's been really frustrating because we thought we had that fifteen million. Then the Senate cut it down to two and a half million, and you divide two and a half million or between fifty states. Yeah, that's just meaningless practically colors dig about. Where returnable these the money than to think about, like the wealth held by person. Your Some are like Pippen robbers. The money then, on Jeff basis, could. Vessels could give that amount of money every year and not an not notice it. Yet. That's all they said I was working at those guys in sacramento on one get turned to me it's like yeah. You know this issue, it's just not. You know, there's not enough private money to fix this, and I was like did. You say the duty ones as ranch owns three sports franchises? Haven't you just don't want to pay for it all

yup! Sorry, where we gotta do. Is we to go get congress to really step up on this issue? Now they did kick forward. Yo one point: seven, two million the going to: u s: g s for additional research into cbd and that's good also national academy science studies can be going in to look at transmission vectors. Look at the: u s, d, a herd certification program which is a joke, and other things. So there can be some positive suffer comes out of this year, but just given the threat and how fast, spreading. The notion that the we're going kick out two and a half million dollars estate fish, while wildlife ages expect that make a difference is just incredible. Us not is easier. When you wake in a few years near you're, watching news footage of people are using heavy equipment to dig bass of trenches that are burning millions, sheep and cattle like he did from ireland. One. mad cow and scraping. Now then, you'd be don't. Ugh, pierre modernization. I'm a little like cal, I'm a little like a little sceptical

So maybe we always comes down so fond of it now thumbs up your love. It galleys, like terms even now, what I mean I originally had the same reaction. You guys did not no skeptical, skeptical criteria. So let me give you a background. Here's a functional we're talking about so payment robbers programmes, the excise tax and hunters pay the bill. ones. Ammo archery equipment, the bessie funds goes up. The states and funds conservation. As an equivalent on the fish side, which was the dingle johnson programme name then gotten. The worry neighbours, dingle johns dingle giants names and ass, the excise taxi given robbers and passed a thing in eighteen, thirty, six, thirty, seven dingle johnson passed in eighteen. Fifty, I think and so which kicks off more money, the fish one or the the the fishing tackle one of the hunting equipment. One. I think there are more even if there are a lot more fishermen but the hunters by a lot more sense,

yeah yeah, but the fishermen may one day by boat gas they by boat gas, goes add yet out an arena by gas. That's it by an excise tax. Exactly so, but in the fish side, Usa states can use a small percentage that for marketing essentially to further our three as we call it to recruit, retain reactivate anglers. So that's why you see things like the take me fishing programme. They ve done a summer, one region out hispanic myriad of almost up a scar programme. My spanish is terrible. I apologise, but a really change the decline and fishing. Now just mansvelt villages, suit, thumbs down it s about two years, a french, so three thumbs down like a dead. So are you so that the other take me fishing. Your campaign has really reverse the decline and fishing numbers, and it's going back up and he had a pretty girl.

rightness reaching a lot of europe. It is near communities, I hispanic merely that typically get yet left in the cracks yeah by our hunting and fishing communities so, but because of the nineteen thirties, nobody could envision the need to advertise and recruit hunters, because as yet, everybody was hunting at that point. either because it was during the depression they needed food or a post world war, one going into world war, two yet large, yeah yeah to say yeah, like I dunno, like a quarter as many americans, but the same number one hundred exactly has no idea that you we actually would need to use this money for the other marketing, but, alas, change this while I surveys and last year to serve as for five year period, honey went from thirteen a half million people to eleven and for me, And so you long term impacts implications that on your conservation, funding are huge, so we want to do and shit like find. The animal rights move absolutely so we want to make sure is they will give the the states the same ability on the hunting site as they have on the fishing side to use?

small amount of those funds for marketing? Now I had groups like you, while our society, while I federation, argue that money is turkey for habitat Things like a little way pulled it off measure and, I would say, we're in the dust spiral, so your view more money for habitat and good stuff. Coming out a pr you better get more hunters into the guy. Is the argument that swayed me, because they were also trying to make the you could use pr money to create public shooting ranges. You can already do it or you could know that was like, but that was like recent and I don't think so now I think, if I were you not necessarily Ambrose might be the first time you liar. I have ever known more than you. This might be the first time I've ever known, more new boss on that, but I think that it was like pr monty couldn't go to public shooting ranges until something happened like some point in time in our last handful years, while we'll figure that out, maybe you could be right about that I thought I knows it. Would you pay money to northern I'm right, like I mentioned earlier, but limit, but here's the thing

he's our member remember the debate. Debate was one that when went out, shot old, washing machines up on the woods in those trying to like get that central lies shooting so that every didn't have their own patch of their own gravel pit where they went and pleasure through. Can bottles and appliances out and blew holes in it, so you're trying to reduce that. The other thing was that it would, if people have more places, to shoot and feel more comfortable shooting there. more sporting as equipment, thereby more ammunition and more money and souls. I viewed as investment in the pr fund because correct me, the pr money. Does it come from hunters? Most appear, money comes from shoot. if an old grannis new jersey as a pocket pistol, she probably pay the pr knows what she meant. Anti hunter yeah and if you're a you're, a decent hunter, your you maybe do you one box of ammo year as a god, as friends of mine like at the nssf, they were laughing about his own one of these guys, like you, know own all the time I got like Oregon, but I got from my dad I buy like,

shells every few years. I'm not the guy kickin into this one right. The guy kicking this fund, as soon as two too reading the range up now granted there's a lot across over their yeah by images. That's funny, It is like hunters are the ones that arise. I pr pr pivotal hours and you know the blind like where the bulk of that money come from, but just think they do something out there to you engage attract people because you are the demographics. Honey are not great either I mean as an old white and getting older and at some point, they're going to drop off that Clinton August fill start not polyfill Twenty nine february, twenty nine knock, not every sally, I I'll get aren't asap, do you know anything and we are seeing some good growth main oversee women are coming into hunting the new way to have in the past and has great may I thank you. has been instrumental in we're getting that food side of people coming into hunting because they want to have the harvest their own local resource. High protein non gmo meet. Yes,

those areas of seeing growth, which is why you combine things like see, tat we, which is scary. It may push people away from hunting Absolutely when in fact, we have failed to advertise hunting serve here. That's the desborough zoo love it. I love it two thumbs two thumbs up up. Not even kind of tipped is good and again you can't use. No state is going to get if they can't, but no state would take all that money and just do in campaigns because that's not what they do. It's just you knew that didn't happen on the you know the fishing side so yeah, the recreational boating and fishing foundation was funded through the dingle johnson funds. The wallet borough funds- and you know they get down- maybe like seven million dollars a year to run these big national campaigns on they'll. Take me fishing and it's worked and we've showed worked gave you play the sound. If you want a primary big gray migrations, you should go. Listen you scroll back down through the episodes, he's good research question for someone sinner. non, I'm a renewed scroll

don't listen to a pot, guess episode that we did called landscape of fear and its approach. Or on big game migration, so pause the episode right now before, with our stock listen to landscape of fear, in a couple. Hours will see you as you come back to hear whether wit has thumbs up or thumbs down. Twenty nineteen became migrations, meaning Basically, that comes down to his meaning, the viability and productiveness of lands that are used by migrating became their use by begging. How We are we doing good. We know a lot more about it, it's been because of what you learn when you listen to landscape or fear, is like how we're starting to learn about how animals use the landscape yep because of emerging technologies, exactly and this is something that deal has really.

while to a large degree, is where pioneered this year with latvia beginning what path of the harm, but then a staff at hall. Sawyer- and you know guys like that- have done in dramatic hoffman, Matt kaufman terms, the mule deer migrations, and not only are they, you know, get good data, they got such cool video footage and it really captured the imagination of national geographic picked it up and pushed and so all of a sudden became sexy and then you're Dave Bernhardt, his predecessor, ryan zinke. He he did a secretary order. I think three, three seven two something like that: three. Through six to that bessie told the federal agencies within the apartment interior, to work together to identify these migration corridors and take the conservation actions necessary to protect. yeah it when you listen, a landscape of fear there. Everyone just rejoined us, you you'll, remember the part where we come up with

emerging technologies around gps and and things on identifying little things that could be patches of ground. Seventy five yards wide along the edge of a lake that literally hundreds of animals pass through and the ability to be so targeted about, like this little thing really matters. It allows you to be led, allows me really precise enough, so we While arguing with the department of Interior early on this year, this administration in art- you are encouraging them to do this. Yeah. The points are pretty simple: I mean it's, you an interagency, so you won't talk about deals for breaking down the silos between the different agencies, state federal, private collaboration, it's yelled highly, charismatic mega fauna. It is relatively small areas of actual conservation, because you yeah unita, protect some broader areas, but other rises just pinch point here or there

And I said you can use a bunch of other people's money know, for example, in the transportation bill, the highway bill yeah, we just got. We have two and two hundred and fifty million dollars in the Senate version for an experimental program over five years for highway crossings. became began. Infra aquatic connectivity are you. Where are you where those are controversial? Why I know they aren't places like island park, idaho in general, no they're, not that controversial or it is a massive government takeover around this country really went downhill when they made an overpass or so many animals that get killed on the highway. That's when I knew america had had enough of this country. What my right to hit a deer, if I can anyway, no they most of the time. It's not controversial, and I think that yeah so the way it happened under the this administration is they out, there were all western states and focused on three species. Mule dear Alan prong told the states denominate three to five core migration corridors

and then the partner, the inter, would be a basically commit resources to help and protect us it a rumour I'm eating, interrupted about as la dukes, I'm doing it. But as a result of their use in it to move the dear way public haunt marries. I'd know. There can alone there. It's it's enviro was chain, playing the deer and into helping them pick routes where they won't be a subject to get shot at it was for train those initial gear with the tall callers to go. Those different routes had never been before. Death after they got through that hurdle, then yeah now I mean that's just Does that crazy like this, and it makes sense for everybody, and you know, I think that seeing on the highway bills. Gonna contain this programme. We seen states seal, I am eels you're done- has been lead on this, but there even their mark ordinance, do an executive order right now that, as laying out our formalised this process, moving forward is a desolate. Once it has been he's overwhelming wyoming

Poles administration in colorado pushed through an executive order on migration quarter, so you're, seeing it have ripple, affects nebraska different states in the west, that montenegro on one or one rat. Yet wildlife crossing over the one or one freeway, india, a foreigner settled neither does it even use and waited, and it's not be complete sometime this year, I think, is what they're saying, but that's the going to be the most expensive overpass in the united states. I know one legitimate. We heard in one guy, never fact jack demand is angry. Listener wrote in I was talking about all this money they spent bilbil amazing washington state. Already What money build one another's didn't work

I mean that was like a coyote went over me and I never fact checked. You've got to give these things time and you're at our net did a pretty good video. That's on our website this, where it talks about this. Yet you gotta give him a little bit time to work. Second, you have to have fencing that goes along with them, because you have to funnel the anime toward the eggs you gonna do so they don't normally do I, but I think they they certainly wyoming here the evidence is overwhelming, along with other places that once they figure this out, they use my crazy and not just one species by post Small mammals birds prefer to fly over. They ve got like regular crossings in new jersey may also assume they got near? It makes sense on a number of different levels. I went out Kid snapper turtles eyes get hit real bad when you drive Norton whiskey in march, and they put this really lie. fancy knee high fans that channels that turtles into the right thing, in our view, be mad about it. Just so kind like dislike, yeah, zero idiots, it's like

think I was like what exactly is the problem right, but just insulted people that someone would spend effort You have lots of snap turtles every june, when they're gonna lay eggs not get killed. want to see them get killed. A beautiful internal middle, and I keep you awake. yeah and airline insulted by america buell. My own family were like I roy about the fact that you would try it He bore you snapping turtles and can crush on how we want to come up. The lay Giant marshes like really to them. It looks like suitable nesting taxing to get out and dig a hole in the sand, and you build is big artificial thing. in every turtle in the air. He tries to come up there and get smacked by a thing, and people are like just out there. Now I dunno.

Well anyway, I think. Overall, though, the migration corridor stuff has been really positive thing. I think it's spreading and it's got good momentum and the exception of a few weird places. It's not controversial, something again that I think everyone can agree on. I sure think so, fisheries I'd, say a mixed bag sort of sideways saddened. Found sideways slums. Tell me Oh yeah, so a lot of the fishery is one of the big issues with fisheries. Well got. Fisheries is a broad term. I mean there's fresh water, the salt, so a lot of focus we've been doing is on the rear, the salt water side, marine greece. Now we did get a bill passed in the late last year and the year before called modern fish act which, for the first time, recognise that recreational fish be managed differently. The

actual fish, commercial fish, yeah, we're really managed for maximum sustained yield, so you're going to need instantaneous data you're, pushing that species right to the edge, and you have to have really good data for that, and you can do that with commercial fishing, because you have a limited number of ports. You can actually count fish wreck fishing You can't do that. I mean you. Have people spread out everywhere, vermilion little docks, marinos and there is always, but you can't manage them the same way. So, instead of trying to you push that commercial management paradigm down on the wreck, fishing, which is what NOAA national marine fisheries Service has always done and to the point where we getting a ton of controversy in things like red snapper in the gulf, where the lack of certainty on numbers were causing the agencies to shut down the fishery. Nine days in seven days and three days, so if you and I are planning a trip down, their we'd have no idea every book to hotel room we booked our guide with a ceiling would actually be open or not. This is not the way to me,

this recreational fishing. So modern fish act passed and it did a few different things mean me. One said to nationally official reserves: you have the ability to try these different things that may work better for a recreational. The efficient us use. The word fell model yeah, so glad you do surveys and the arctic. What the breeding populations are going to be. You look at how many ducks get shot, and then you set a season when it in the north, the bag, and it's going to be the end of that season to reevaluate. Now you have to be pretty conservative for that to work because you can't be way off, or else you just crush a species so odyssey is better for conservation. Anyway, if you were to apply that model for breakfast, which is the same way with model we do in fresh water, fisheries, they'll, be at large mouth, ass or trout, or anything else may there's a bag limit. You know what it is you know in the season starts. You know

It ends, and we just haven't been doing that recreational side. So now that is going to get changed and a lot of these were hot button. Fisheries in the hot button. Fisheries are the ones where you have mixed stocks, so part of its commercial part of its recreational red, snapper being a classic case. The all recreational stocks, things like redfish, bonefish tarpon, those are all well managed, because they're managed, with that same sort of precautionary principle that we managed waterfowl with, and so so we finally got that change. Now. The agencies in the process of going through a bunch of rulemaking determine how it might use that, and there are different ways you could do it. You could do a tag system. You could do any of these I grimace. You could do fathom limits where you know out suffered groundfish you're under a certain level as wreck fishing outside of its commercially as you'd, like and in washington. A lot of things like you can fish within at different times of year within certain depths yeah. So you deal with a lot of the catch issues with things like that. Yes,

was being a little bit more creative, but the agency, because that wasn't the way it was used to doing things on commercial side was always very reluctant. Do that now it has green light to do it. The other thing that the agency was were reluctant to do was to use a different data collection techniques, so it would yellow do telephone surveys and mail surveys asking you how many fishy cat yowling summer, air which, needless to say, were neely accurate, highly accurate, not instant, english hunter pressures on what we do. there's, one in particular. Take your arm. It's kind of so frustrated with us, a bunch of the states period their own. Basically, your iphone based ecosystems, where you're, basically doing instantaneous reporting you don't have to wear your honey hole is, but you tell yo how many fish you caught- but general size. And yes, your office on you have the others instantaneous data on the wreck, side, which the agencies and never had before and

No part of what the modern fish acted was again: give them national marine fisheries service. The green light to use these alternative data mechanisms to manage the fisheries ellie creoles, one louisiana raises several one of florida supper on taxes, but they just make a ton more sense and the other modern age than a telephone serve a month The fact you mean the telephone, sir, is in Montana. Had I I the holy by into the system. I do every year and my yeah, you got back we'll what region and what you know I am, I know my mind, answer mine your college, you notice that arm in solve, like at the hour fish Ecc and in these laskin no does like an order the came down, no non pelagic rock fish whatsoever.

Oh no, no, no, no quill by Norway, sensor tasty I saw the yellow, I mean obviously yellow now made no not to protect the euro. I would know nine pledge. Exe was. It has major implications for our vision, because you're gonna be no matter what you're doing your pulling up a lot of rockfish you're, be like sending a lot of rockfish down at the bottom of release, devices yeah and no more targeting yellow eyes I bought a new damn rod for jigging, yellow and talk about an easy get me kid fish and fish but I've been put a lot of energy and do pine hearing some new green laying and in a cloud or spots I going to you, know: brodie henderson, right now's time you some flounder flies nice They may do what we're sordid were also alarm. We'll stop wholesome food on the plate. Ye are,

Ok, so I just got sent this last night at texas sparks and wildlife, apparently just try to case convicted gatt, find twenty six thousand dollars for been sixteen or seventeen red snapper over the limit. No from last year. Yeah- that's, but not as far as I got into it, stood. Let's dagger are you drunk? So obviously reds maverick? pretty hot button and a hazard for awhile, and it's, I think, a lot of the controversy and whereas snappers calmed down since you this year, the modern fish act passed and basically the feds he had turned over management to the states and the states are doing a good job. Since, although the manhattan do so and his men aid is the basic. The base of the food chain on the east coast is also in the gulf. The little fish call bunkers called poet.

I'll, go and super orally. You don't want to eat it, but everything else must eat it and they fish of choice for eight fish of choice, and not just for me a striped bass and weak fish in blue fish, but for wales for eagles for aspirin you name it and that's what my that's all there is. Where I have least experience hanging around does the whole the atlantic organ tat, part of it that chunk of atlanta, so you're in the in the old days. Back in, like the nineteen and early nineteen hundreds, there were these you're. Basically reduction industry is up and down the east coast and the reduction industry has gotten a pr saying: what do they call it action. So they would catch these. The other manhattan bring about grind em up, reduce them too fish food to pellets to fish oil. Fertilizer or to a variety of others, you know that

so and by your oem. Your ear eating, probably manhattan. Your your fish oil pills, yes, yes, which are useful specimen so over time, because it keep you alive forever. So you tell me that the supplementary, but I have no doubt mysteries lie lied to me. I have no idea of way outside my comfort zone. We call that big vita big writers lie to me so back in the turn of the century, you had these reduction fisheries up and down the east coast and to the point where they almost wiped out menhaden and basically almost wiped out everything that eats cause big schooling, fishing does get on him and clobber him right. Yeah use that may in the west, and today and today, so basically state by state bands started banning this type of fishing. Only one state still allows it on the atlantic. That's virginia and as one plant owned by a company called omega seafood, which was recently purchased by cook, which is the you know, they they have big aqua calls.

if not salmon, farming, no different cooking for the E. The salmon farming operations on the atlantic up in canada and maine have had a mountain puget sound. They got kicked out of washington state because of such bad actors. Tons of clean water act, violations, tons of escapement for atlantic salmon and steelhead habitat, so not a great company, but they own, a mega, so one plant stall ones that you imagined, when a guy just sitting around and complaining big cigar in his mouth. Oh yeah, I'd love to hear so mason is one plant yo catches. Eighty plus percent roof come of all the commercial men hidden in the atlantic, and it has your big boats. spotter, plug all efficient virginia waters. No, no, they can fish. The us federal internet, or so they go all sizes. Every mile very miles three miles three miles three to two hundred, thus the federal waters.

So they can do out there and then they also been fishing there. It's three to two hundred, oh, where I get seventy miles from something metro. It was based off the bank like the drop off. Maybe this is all done back in that one subject came into the early nineteen seventies ego offer getting you three miles. You can catch manhattan of our waters, and he's goin off anyone's go straight. That's where are you from page in your times past year, because they are the big bunker. Schools were up there off long island Whales and all the while watching boats were out there watching this spectacle of nature here comes omega with spotter planes and a sort of meal, big kip factory ships in the south purse seine boats and comes out circling around him scooped up, while the wells rather hitting them, and while a rigorous angers round, spites trite nasser blitz, Num their resolve-

everyone's best and ngos gets brought back so ground up in a fish food be sent to canada feed aquaculture salmon, another totally Daniel industry, together to use of our earlier and get shipped. In the? U s: yes, yes, you buy salmon that hasn't ingredients list on it. The only by salmon uneasiness got ingredients because, like no, we don't need a label sawbucks as they died. It read and can have all sorts antibiotics sheds a salmon with the asterisk so anyway, so may I work been trying to do is changed the way men hayden or managed to go from single species management, which is basically how many fish can kill before you crash the stock ecosystem mantra, meaning what does ecosystem system need and the based on that committee can take without message. Things up there and that's probably happened this coming year. It has been a pretty nasty fight all along

meantime, this past year, omega decided didn't like the other federal limits where that Lana stationary fisheries commission limits on manhattan We just decided to give a big middle finger to the agency and went in blew through it's cap for the chesapeake bay and so caught. We have millions of extra pounds of fish there with what repercussions. So they were, I think, expecting and who knows what was inside their head, that you know they could go to the sector, the interior secretary of commerce wilbur ross and get him to waive any sort of penalties. Now yeah we as they wreck fishing community, as well as atlantic states, marine fisheries, commission and every single state on the atlantic, including virginia because the recent governor does not like here that fishery voted yes to busy find the virginia in the omega outer compliance and penalizing so that fisheries originally wanted. It sell, find yes, absolutely

and so that he or wilbur ross to his credit, he have rule in favor of the commission and shut down that fishery. Now, that doesn't really mean anything because the fisher shut down the winner anyway. This just happened december But what it means is that now the state has to come into compliance and there's going to be a penalty for all those fish extra that it caught out of the chesapeake bay is going to get reduced that from its overall quota now listen. I think they ought to be kicked out of the chesapeake bay altogether. I'd love to see this year. fishing end. If bait, fishermen one do manhattan, that's great men we ve so wiped out. Hearing fishery is low. lobsterman and main other places, are looking further bateman heinous logic one for that, all for using that as awesome asian carp going, two main for a lobster bologna, why what is so? You say, like that light light, small scale self, like data using light the industrial harvest, yet exactly mean these bid reduction fisheries, which are you grind, em up and terminate whale and pellets an area that just as just doesn't make any sense now any other. The crazy thing on this, too, is that your own

I decided during this process to add political weight to its cause. To get us all, certified the marine stewardship council as sustainable, which doesn't make any sense for of reasons. We fought that you know they got it and the atlantic and they got it in the gulf. There's not even a cash limit in place in the gulf made us totally wild west down there, and you know so it's just crazy so anyway, but what it has done is galvanize the fish community, the fit recreational fish community. Behind this cause, we won on the compliance fight in the atlantic and the chesapeake bay yeah we're going to win. I think an ecological management changing the framework and then we need to go to the gulf and put hard large cashless and place down. There can fill pebble mine man. Gentle minds do online long time, two thousand dirhams down to thumbs down, so we,

but the thing was the pretty much dead and you put nail in the coffin a few years ago they ve been hard to track spin hard to follow so issue. Teague. Well, there's some of that too. But you say things. This is one thing were easy: they see change from last three or so the obama distraction, adding to their credit. Your basic you put up some very hard sideboards on any mine that could be developed. That area which can use any of people not just rockwork bring people speak. what, when we, when people say Pell mine, what are they talking about they're talking about when it wouldn't be one of the world's largest open pit mines at the headwaters in a gold and copper mine headwaters of the two most productive? saga of salmon rivers in north america, the queen jack in the new shock in the world in the world. So you're there isn't it the abysses. one and a half billion dollars a year commercial fishery, which raises a service lake and highly crisis. It would create a surface lake of highly contained

aided water, they would have to be maintained in perpetuity. Then an hour heine active falls behind behind in all an empowerment structure right that this water would never be cleaned cracked and you need to keep it in place because should it if only that, because of what would eventually be the size of this your mind, you're going to have to put in not only roads and harbors, but your utilities, your biscuit power plant and you're, going to open up an entire area too. Impacts so innocent, like from moose hunters salmon version bear on everybody hates. This serves a cobbler people, except for some canadian speculators. Yet who want it? are. Basically this northern dynasty, which is the company, is pushing this yeah once essentially. Sort of me have to make a bunch of money on this thing, saw it off to somebody else and get out of the.

so anyway, sir was on life. Support then present as the story hasn't, and I have no idea if this is true. President stops on his way back from north korea stops to refuel in anchorage alaska. Governor who likes the mind likes any sort. Development project spends time with him on air force. One trump goes back to DC tells pa to make this thing happen and the corps of engineers and all of a sudden the corps of engineers, which takes six years for a restoration project to do the permitting in a place like florida or Louisiana is yo, has never moved faster on any project ever and we're going to basically moving careening toward approving the permit on this yet and you're right about now. Now they've kicked back a few months because everybody, including the state of alaska, cleaning, LISA Murkowski, including department, the interior of said whoa, your analysis is woefully inadequate. You're, not looking all these potential impacts, so but

I still think the corps of engineers going to issue a permit, which means litigation is going to begin, but what it also means is that near the mining company, northern dynasty may get an infusion of cash, because stock prices bound to go up at that point, and it makes us thing far more viable than a spin anytime in the past fifteen years. Yeah. I don't want to say about this crazy bet. I have bought pebble mine, not gonna, tell you about it: Ok with my sister in law. It is a brutal thing, like your dying about a landscape word, you couldn't maintain kitty pool out there, from overflowing rupturing for any amount of time? the groundwater is on the surface, surface water comes down and frickin daily buckets constantly, and you're in rescuing ingredient, active fault zone- I mean you have volcanoes erupting within. You have seventy five miles so that real, unless in there

A lot of places in alaska make total sense, reminding there are a lot of really good minds in alaska. This is not about being anti mining. This is about about the worst place you could ever pick to put a mine is now bristol, but what I'm curious to see I don't say this lightly and I wouldn't say about a lot of things, but I'm curious to see what role that civil disobedience would come into play. Were they to actually go in and break ground to start extract Resources is become such a line in the sand issue. For such a broad array of individuals from the native community native alaska ends sportsmen, commerce, var Manolis commercial fishermen. I wonder if it would be that there would be- and I just feel like- if not it like- that this would be the kind of thing that inspires civil disobedience. It's so hard, though cause it's like

look it where it is? You know like the winner population of king salmon, ask is like very very if you knew the summer population in anything that would probably, be hard to make human chain out that do not all, but if, if, if we can't protect they people look at will as lions and issue, because if you can't protect bristol bay, if it's not worth protecting bristol barrier enables you like, so that means nothing is that wasn't good enough yeah? I mean there will be no alot of people like we're. Ok, we're does we're done gap because nothing sacred anyway. This is going to have this. You know I don't think they're going to breaking ground any time soon. This is going to be extensive, litigated. If a permit is issued, so young men apart, Austria, run around I can help you gotta more friendly administration in there. What I should do something good for breast of ours,

current administration change tag, which is entirely possible. Yeah yeah. He listens to public opinion on a lot of issues. Just gotta hit him on the twitter, feed, twenty twenty allah thumbs in terms out down united, Yes, mr I've done really mia and it's gonna feel yet yet the noise and, as you know, the nice me I recently read things that are going to make progress on anything, difficult impeachment and the election progress on anything. Anything do you, peter. What happened was because makes everything so hard do resent that somebody count and I'm not gonna, get into that so I think that it is what it is now I gotta deal with it and are deal with it another way the rules are set up, they're going to basically the impeachment sounds like they're, going to convene at one o'clock every day, so which means we have some period in the morning to get a little bit it's stun, but basically yeah.

It was a different distraction, so I know that was different from ours. To read this isn't wit, tartars me target has been fostering about this thing is going through is something that you know won't happen. There's not gonna happen, that's all It feels to me like. Let's say I was gonna, I'm like, dig a hole in cows like no matter how? How much you dig. I will feel that whole back in and I can get. I can guarantee you that I will fill the hole back in public anyway. And then spend a money, don't go on so again. If could be right, It is what it is and we're gonna work around. I am right now in an election year there. If you really

and also the may two guests have done, and then everything yes to tied up with politics. And then you have another window after the election. Well, we are. The new congress in some radical stuff can happen during that window of time, so the other first of all, you're trying to clear the deck of a lot of easy stuff in the right now in the next month or two, and I think that you know I'm sorry real, quick, how much time, okay, the impeachment going on now. You know the senate trials going to know it not yet, but it will start sometime soon, so how much so forget that part of it how much time of activity do we have before the election cycle? Just those everything indicates enemy and of man and man.

Everybody just they got all that mania. You may some. There are few things odds nan get down, but basically is the still air it is out campaigning as to political sovereignty, gets put on hold until after the election, in which case you, when you come back and a butler to staff gets done between that first week in november and the new congress guess whether it's an outgoing, whether it's an outgoing administration or and empowered administration, it does need to worry about re election that mainly earlier the dynamic of what happens with the senate. What happens with the house what happens at the president, but at a minimum? The also supply c and get a bunch of stuff done and because you have retiring members, and there are a lot of money and both sides, yeah who are going to say. You know that alright there's a chance. Why don't you actually have to be political? I can do what's right for a change cause. I'm not run for reelection, yell and yell get stuff done there

and we were at their small paternalism, and I think there is a growing broad wildlife bill here that we ve been mere putting through. That has really bunch of non controversial stuff. Knocker react. Reservations on is that of north amerika. What was conservation act, which funds wetland, restoration and protection around the country spout funded about fifty million dollars that, yes, we offer ized their creating a sea debate, The task force there is the national fish wildlife foundation reauthorization the authorization of a national fish habitat bill which essentially the fish equivalent of the north american wetlands conservation act. All this stuff is non controversial and has been passed by committees or by houses are one body or the other. This is all going to get bundled into doing right. Now we expect actually to pass the Senate last night. Didn't pry pass today, then go over to house, so this becomes yo a bunch of good stuff which is not controversial and everett, and grin

We can get that done quick, so we are linked basket beside him. Oh god, I mentioned the fact that work ass. He wants to do an energy bill soon, as missing impeachment wraps up before things get to political. That may be another opportunity or a bunch of public glanced provisions. yeah. So I think there will be some things like that to get done, but a lot of the focus is going beyond the election and what happens after election and honestly, what rio tierra cp will do is yeah. We will start developing we'll do that very scenario: planning yo. If trump loses, if trump wins if the Senate flips the Senate doesn't flip through all these different scenarios and that sort of view. How are you going to keep conservation and then what do we need to do and what are the priorities and how do we present them mean climate is going to be a big issue because yo, even the one of the deniers recognizing that they can't. I deal with this for rea very much lol yeah. I would imagine I mean everyone. Does I mean if, if the, if the administration I mean nevermind like what will have,

the house and senate the administration has switches, there's going to be a tonic, I'm guessing hundred climate accident, even if it doesn't switch, there's going to be a bunch. If you look at the polling yeah, we look at republicans under the age of thirty, climate is number one or one of the top issues. So your the party is has to deal with that younger folks who recognize this as an issue and need to deal with in some fashion show. So I think you're now I can see a green new deal, maybe but you're gonna see for taking on then I am, I think, the great can again you're. I want to say, though I think, there's things that folks again generally agree on yeah. You got to reduce emissions, but you also have to know doing a vestment land seek restoration adaptation resilience and those are things that our community loves: they're, great for fish and wildlife, and that I think democrats and republicans can agree on. So he could see some sort of climate package without sort of it's moving forward. So I think there are going to be some opportunities moving forward, but a lot of is what we do. This year is position ourselves for twenty twenty one and beyond

it was interesting, is in common, I presume, through my kids school there's this night where they can go. Do it's like this technology night? My wife understands better. I do. My shoes prevent she's presume that with them the menu of things, because if you go down- and you pick like for seminars, your kids, for seminars I want to go to and are Seven year, old nine year old were taken. What seminars they wanted or tooth is ninety role. Throne and at the same, I were like the lie your year in the life of a grisly sturgeon. I think thing about develop: computer apps like some while the half wildlife suffered have now left of him. One of the things was the sort of like climate change, primer, my daughter, very readily pick that one law with the other once you to do my boy without much without tumor,

persuasion ad the climate one in with one about native american games and sturgeon, I really wanted him to go and a waterfall migration, but he didn't do that. One can only win some ice. but it's everything that they are aware of this morning. check, muskrat traps, the dark and it was warm out- and my son discuss all the garbage you could be used to do. As you was about a quick question: are the kids referring to these seminars it's gotta, be, I haven't heard em. I use the word seminar. It was more presented them like you're. Going to this that I signed. We sign you over this thing. You need to pick which one sound good, and so we read over dinner. My way out, there's a dozen things Jews from whatever she read through all the descriptions and then put their initials by the ones and they had too many. So they had a narrow it down. God I think sturgeon migrations was top

It's all over downturn and come tell me where you learned yeah. I like it Where is your me real confused about job the house? You kid you like so I saw a seminar the other day I dunno they'll frame it overhears the how they tell you about. They will tell you about it. I dunno what what they'll use? I don't think they'll use seminar, a thing, maybe we were at a thing: yeah went to a show. You know it's funny day we're out. You know in dark, jacamar scratching. Start you're in a spot where there is a new that flax by eight inch flax by placid. And it's comin out of there's a chunk words coming out of the ground and snakes across the ground and it girl in under the ice on a pond. Some of you, like some countries, project,

and we're hanging around nurse near there in the dark and then later my four year old, as song about what's up with the big animal with the big tail them a communal muskrat, whose big long tail and I'm like the moscow no you're, the one that can't move kinda can we bring their home and so I get coffee. we're about one hundred yards away and I give them the flashlight I'm like. I have no idea your tumbles go back, take a look and we go agony shines, delighted that black flax by twelve feet of black flax by running we note the dirt in the eyes and he's like that thing, that's what What's I know what animal has that tail big one yeah view, be I would not be standing here were that animals at junk flax he's thought had got frozen in so hard. There was a stock you or what

state waterfowl right now, given interact and waterfowl again, and it seems like there's the day between migratory waterfowl against, like ours. Bird data right now, as oddly in opposition has worked so well. We ve lost bill and the songbirds in the united states, but waterfowl seems to really be kicking ass, with the exception of like pin, tails seemed we'd, taken a hurt and geese in the atlantic. Flyer right now are actually down. Is one one bird limit and just admiral aurelia interesting. So no, I think that you know the answer is that we pay a lot more attention to war fell because we have dedicated hunters. We have dedicated funding, for it is a priority,

whereas your song words, you know it's not and which is relayed. There's another bill in congress called the restore america's. While I fact they would put some dedicated funding toward these nongame species, which the states have responsibility for managing but really have no dedicated resources to manage. So now I agree with you as that. I think the situation, probably on a bunch of the songbirds even worse than we think, because our data is pretty poor. required as quick as possible. Splain like why, from a conservation standpoint what's up with ethanol, So I get it I get a little bit, but but tell me what why as ethanol part of society matter further from overlooking so philosopher of long and chequered. The sort of environmental history was rising, created, be about to supplement the markets for farmers, but also when, during the oil crisis azure way, you'd mess, we produced or transportation fuel,

explain like from the high level what we're talking about. So this is busy you take corn and you can do with other cellulose a cue plants and converted to feel the same way it make alcohol. In fact, with ethanol, you gotta put a natural in its keep you from drinking so it's the same as grain. Alcohol in at rio runs all in cars, india, zune used for years, squint actor henry ford as transportation fuel, even a race car drivers, use it or methanol, and some of their cars but the issue became in when your congress basic created national mandate and under renewable fuels, standard which expires in, I think, twenty twenty one and twenty two essentially, ten percent of the nation's gasoline fleet has to be ethanol. Now they go been originally that that transition corn, ethanol to soil, ass, a gap in all overtime, switch grass cuds you and who knows what the hell are you make out of, but something other than crag marty's.

sure, do for me right outside the starch content. I guess of the award of the planet's steve candy lesson, but the problem is that that's that transition is never happened, stayed with corn ethanol and when you had that time of like go go corn prices. Are we last year, six million acres feel pasturing, grassland, croak row crops, it was that ethanol mandate was largely driving okay. So a lot of you have pheasant hunters duck. Hunters yo can't stand ethanol because they see it the mandate as creating busy and artificial incentive to convert habitat

for your corn and yo a lot of the of your urban yup folks that don't like high food prices, see it as you're an abomination to because this is food that is now going to a fuel in the basic a subsidized way. So now I felt a lot more strongly about it. The I, when your prices were high, were seen all this conversion. It is hard to be one again right now. Nothing's gonna happen before the renewable fuel standard comes back up for congress and congress decides what to do with it. But when you go back to that, the dismal state of the farm economy right now and I just think that even groups that I dont like the us all mandate are back off, will be right now because it is on hold their english. Just don't want to do anything else to make your life even worse in our country, when you see it, ass station with giant signs talk about ethanol free? Are they performance?

Yes, that's it. That's produce not, then be improper car prawn against their. Whatever now arms now ass, I with a lot of the old equipment, especially things like chains. Snowmobiles couldn't handle ethanol, so you had when it was first moved into the gas stream at ten percent blends. There were a lot of problems with some of those Small engines are now all those herself they're being politically there's talking about how you could get good boat gas there now. So all they say you know today, you're all essentially modern engines can deal with ten percent ethanol. problem is that the other industry which is pretty greedy, has been trying to get the the blunder percentage kicked up to fifteen percent. An epa has proved that now at fifteen percent after, You can have a very modern outboard engine on your twin to fifties on your big boat goin out, sure lama, sixty forty handed general it'll screw that up to fifteen percent ethanol. Now in theory, it ought to be labelled, and especially marinas

Piss selling it, but a lot of guys will fill up the gas can and take it out to their boat and pour it in, and it does really bad things to engines and again as just another sort of artificial subsidy that we really should be doing nationally. Manufacturers association, american sport, fishing association have lobbied vigorously all real against increasing that ethanol percentage gasoline because of what it does to marine engines. No kin them. internet is anna. That answers all my own question, but has been approved anyway avoided if teen anything in europe word engines. Hours are small engine expert with password, and I've just have to invest to my knowledge, swollen man in the final days, and he concluded that he final things we didn't get to know. You were influential making our list I think I first of all, I appreciate you guys actually paying attention the stuffing caring about it because again most people rather talk about you know deer stand placement or hunting cuz. Dear

mexico or whatever it is now but yeah. This is yeah. This is the backbone of villa what we have in this country in terms of hunting and fishing, and if we don't pay attention to this, we are going to lose it now will. Thank you and attention to it, or thank u s, pollination for common on arm. Recently, agile it regularly. We can't be like once a year. Maybe do amid your checking sure six month check up You know what epidemic is gonna dennis. I may have you on all six months stockholders her like that, like sudan, as well I'll be associated. The family. Ass could be good, like election cycle to be like? Here's are conservation minded candidates. you know what maybe it'll come on. You talk about getting people passed is if you come on right before you come out right for election time. the unemployed that one I thought after the elections,

If I was a three, we don't. Oh that's true yeah! No, that's true! I don't think so as as tears, gps, a nonprofit organization, guys, don't you guys? Don't They don't have a c, for we don't have a pack, so we just don't get engaged meal and he has worked for you guys government. What I like about you, you're sepia, easier you respectful of of bipartisan process in use, strive to be dislike as effective as is humanly possible? Well, I think that's a niche our community has always had- and I think that's you know when Jim rained created the organization back in two thousand and two. This was his idea and having a stance through today that near these are issues that ought to unite, not divide, and they shouldn't be political know. Was you hate vision in an ama, then their political?

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get in your still, gonna have to push them on the other Is that you believe in it? Oh yeah, so this is just the way it works when plus part of our job is to educate. The main veal, less and less members of congress coming from rural america nurse and much more suburban urban focus. Now, and so we have. We have some members, as they were just going to have to cook our meat more for cbd. That's not because they're a bad person just because they don't under Now it is up to us to educate body when it comes to selecting candidates. Are you for, I think a lot of you look like I pick my person and in I look to them to see what I think about anything right so, like go and what they say: another way of looking at you pick your person your balancing out you make those like some one between two things. You pick em and then I'm gonna pick them and then I'm gonna move them in my direction on all the things I don't agree with them on their work, my heart. You'll people get uncomfortable with that because they think that when you that your sword-

of a candidate, is basically you're saying. That's me rather saying part. As me, but I really need on to move my direction and a bunch of other stuff, not gonna. Do everything I can in my power to make sure that the whole that things move in my direction I'm choosing you as the person that I want to then be heard from and and get you to see my side, but ah good Feels good: what's your shirt about phil You got a wind shirt on, and this is my friends and my friend who runs a winery in kalispell tailing loop wines check it out next time. Does he grow the grapes up there? as for somewhere else, she brings the men from different parts of washington and ate and put them in barrels in palestine, and you like that, one it's like a fly vision, term right, tailing Lou yet be up. There is a fly: fishing themed, winery hm you love the one.

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