This episode of the minimalist has brought to you by nobody because advertisements bad men and lists- The thing that needs every little thing that you need every little thing, that's just feeding your greed. Oh, I bet that you'd be fine without it simpletons welcome to the minimalist park ass. We discuss what it means to live a meaningful life with less money. Name joshua. no burned on ryan, academia and together we are the minimalist lately. We ve been thinking aloud. But what minimalism will look like after this moment of uncertainty?

going to be a movement of neo minimalism that forms in the wake of this reset. That's what we're going to explore today what is essential, what does excess, what meaningful life many of the questions are the same, but are the answers different and many new questions are for Well, yesterday's answers help us or do we need to find new answers. Ryan. I was and into our friend rob bell his podcast casio socket about this moment as the great unmask gang, which I thought was a great metaphor. Because actually because we're all wearing masks right now, we're well than many of us are in a podcast. Sean was just up in montana and he said it was basically business as usual. So it depends. It's very region specific right now, right and so

I wore a mask in here to get through the lobby and elevators in the elevator in my apartment building, but I was I finished writing yet this was just yesterday. Actually, I finished writing in the morning and actually finished it by the afternoon. Working on this new book love people use things and the third draft is coming along beautifully and I had a good productive. There fell great and I walked out into my neighborhood was walking around and this it was like a week earlier. Everything was boarded up in their protests and riots. Yesterday everything was open, there was a sense of normalcy, not back to normal, but places were packed. I mean in some of them they seem dangerous. pack and I'm wondering like the pendulums- can swing too far right and that's what we need to be careful and so we're going to be asking a lot of questions. They obviously answering some questions as well:

I think in many ways this has been the most difficult, year of our lifetimes, our collective lifetimes yeah, and it's only june I know right out of the year- is an even over now. For me, it's not the most difficult year of my life, twenty nineteen was actually the most difficult year of my wife- and I see twenty twenty. I remember the beginning of the year. A lot of people were using the the sort of cheesy. Admittedly, cheesy metaphor of twenty twenty vision- oh yeah did anyone see this coming now? Do they see a virus? weeping, the clothes they see a nation at unrest because of racism and and protests, and looting and riots, which we talked about a lot on last week's episode with hey comments. We're not gonna get back into that anymore, but I don't think we saw any of this coming, but we also saw the possibility we predicted it in full,

then, and we know that things can always go off the rails at a moment's notice, and so we start asking the more central questions again. I know for me: twenty nine team was the most difficult year, but Twenty in many ways has been a year of of healing for me personally, and I'm wondering that once we get on the other side of this Is it a year of healing for us as a community as a state as a city as a nation is as a world and if so, did it take this sort of unknown skin or or did it take the exposing our wounds so to speak, to allow us to begin to heal and unnoticed and people asking a lot of these questions that you and

I have really been grappling with over the last decade since we started the minimalists, and I started with some of those questions at the top of this. What is essential, and so we're going to talk about that today, we've got some questions before we do. I want to just explain why this besides coming out a day late is actually for some. We ve ever done this, but we had never so was supposed to come out today that you- and I just didn't, feel good about. This is a testament to how much our world has changed in just the last ten days tonight ago we record an episode with Dave reuben, someone who I agree with sixty to eighty percent of I'm about a lot of things. Some people call him left. I think some people call him right wing. Some people call him centre. I I don't know what what what what is he call himself? What does he identify as he says? a classical liberal, classical liberal, and so that can mean a bunch of things is well, and so we

a really good conversation with him, the one off the rails a few times and it in by email him? Yes, you are supposed to talk on the phone later today. I believe the conversation recordings so outmoded so out of date, just ten days, Later now, he said some things that you and I disagreed with him about. We pushed back on yeah, given the when circumstances I wish you would have pushed back a little bit harder. Yes, oh what I'd like to do, instead of publishing that up his own kind, I feel good about editing it with special. Without his permission. Yeah do I mean yeah we're not gonna sensor him right is The irony of that is its an episode about free spray. So we recorded this episode about free speech, but we are postponing that going to try to get him back in here to have a more evergreen conversation about free speech. If so we're not going to publish that one at all I mean, maybe at some point we could publish it on patria on as a as an example of like failed conversations and

and and the lessons that we learn we'd have, to, I think, add, maybe even a commentary and between the request, in the end and the discussion points, and I think we can do that, but you and I both talked about it and we just didn't feel good enough to publish it as it was right now. So I'm going to talk to dave, see if we can get him in here, or maybe we editing the episode doing something with it with his permission, obviously, but I just feel good the way that it is so wherein he today, talking about neo minimalism, something that I think will be appropriate for today, but I think the question to answer today will be appropriate for years come because these are questions that many of us are gonna be dealing with again and again. Reach these new milestones in life and we start questioning what is essential. I think these questions are really important. It surprised me how could I liked you, ten years of talking about minimalism I don't know why. The surprise me I you know. I thought lake

covered at all. You know, like we ve pretty much governo and then the pandemic happens, and I was just prizes, like oh wow, like here's, this old answer that is coming up for these new problems, so yet the neo minimalism or the new minimalism, you could say yeah It certainly is going to to address what we're going through right now, with a pandemic in debt and age its pontio, but my sister god lover Actually, you know what I want to talk about her personal let's just say that she into debt right before the pandemic, and I they try to talk or out of it right and now she is. You know. She's she's got to worry about now the I luckily she's back at work and everything's. Ok, but it's just like this that she's, like oh ryan like she's like I should have you know, maybe I should

at attention to more than what you were saying you know I talked to dave ramsey about this. We did a quarantine conversation with dave ramsey for our patriot folks, and it was just this fifteen. a conversation I have with them, but I started off by saying how much years. Have you been telling people, they need a budget, and now there finally figuring it out during these hard times and were dealing with a this three legged crisis right now? Ryan, there? There is, of course, the virus which is still out there and there is the financial crisis. One might even say: depression is certainly a reset going to be a recession, so we'd on the economy. Bounced back so quickly, all as far as our stock market goes sought the economy. In one case, I guess I'm just surprised at that. That is an indicator of the economy. crystal ball on the hill call the stock market, a graph of rich people's feelings,

It's stupid, but yeah, I I well, I mean we've got you know an ira and some savings and stuff, so I haven't been keeping too close of an eye on it, because it's like kind of depressing really, but the fact that it is an indicator of the economy. It is an indicator of of what's going on, the fact that indicator is up as much as it is over the past like two months actually can it tells you something's wrong right? What again this is, but so must we will not participate in the stock market. The twenty percent of people is less than twenty percent of people participate in the sack more talkin index funds we're talking, but innovation stocks right right now, most people so fidelity fidelity. Did this thing about the people whose accounts perform the best? This is really acid in study they did were the people were their customers who didn't who forgot they had a fidelity account now because it said it and forget it like that is the best investment advice. Unless your day,

greater, which you spending all day and trading in full time. Job right is out most so. Ok, so, for one case in an irish and those things those are that money in stock weather mutual funds, whether its index funds correctly oh what I'm hearing, he says that less than twenty percent have mutual funds and next once any stocks resource of eighty percent of people are not are basically not putting their money away in any kind of stock for retirement describing wow, and so those numbers change bit, and so you may have a you may have a four o. One K account that you contributed to once, but if you don't contribute to a regularly, then he wouldn't be considered participate. Oh okay, I see yeah, so so the set it and forget it. Folks are there in that eighty percent for a year, so it depends on how they would measure it. But but yes, if, if you just put five thousand dollars. When account one time, then they probably going to count you.

ok, contributing regularly your on a monthly or annual basis than you, you're gonna, be part of that. But the truth is that most people, don't tribute to retirement account and although you certainly should when a person who makes the minimum wage. This is what was staggering to me when I learned when I was very young. If you contribute twenty three dollars a week from the time, you're eighteen, I believe it is- or maybe it's twenty one. I have this new stat. Our next work actually love. You, please things chapter about our relationship with money in there and is anyone can become a millionaire by the time they retire by contributing twenty three dollars a week, roughly up until sixty yeah- I'm fifty nine and a half- I think it is but yeah I'd have to look at the math. It's all it's all there in the book. In fact, it's so staggering that the the Editor was like. Is this math true

in that light, yet the devil take it was. She was like three issues like you have to editors, but with a bow, she's she's young itchy. She she was late. Is this true really what I was learning if you like. I think I should be putting more money. Stock market, so young life now is the best time to actually contribute a few of your young. If you're old, me and ryan, yet to contribute more money, brave or country. Twenty thousand dollars a week later method, but about the dock. Your pay twenty three thousand a week Ok anyway, we have a lot of questions of diana wee, wee monitoring on a bit before we get into it ryan. There is one other thing that I want to talk about, but now it has, it is folded off into the ether. Maybe we'll come back to me, but until it does, I take a note on the back of your paper. Was it there, the oh. We were talking about the the three yes, the three crises that we have going on right now. Oh yes, we have the pandemic virus. Yet we have the financial crisis.

now we have this crisis of of inequality. Has been there for a long time. What is really going up to the forefront weather actual inequality and also financial inequality, which those things are inextricably tied together. Well, you can go back, last week's race relations episode to hear us talk about that. Indeed, But what I'm saying is we have three crises right now, but this episode is about crises, in general and what happens after the crises and here's the thing the one thing I'm certain of its other crises are going to happen, whether it's a large scale crises, a crisis like like the pandemic or you lose your job. That's an endeavour, or crisis right you you, you have a health crisis like I had last year. That's a crisis in coming out of the crisis requires course correction.

in a requires healing, and those are the things that I really want to talk about today. Yeah, it's it. It is like it's just the perfect storm right now, which a piece of me is kind of like scared because you know there's a lot of unknowns? I just saw pole recently. It's like over eight percent of people polled will say that that america is out of control right now, and it's scary. When the same token, I'm kind of glad that were taken a pole, though No, I haven't. Who are these people? Always wonder that too about jordan? Have you taken up, I'm thinking a poll right now, Jordan, have you taken a poll of your technical excuse to have you? Second of all, so I'm guessing in my polling, zero percent people have been pulled ryan. Well, you know, I know that they do a lot of polling data online and they will they target on facebook people to poll. So like I mean he, I dunno, if it's in person or what poll it's from. I forget the news channel that I saw this on

but yeah. All this to say is that, yes, I feel like were bit out of control right now, but I am. I am grateful that this is going to lead to something better. I really feel that use fastened about that. I agree with you we're out of control, but you- and I also a decade ago, recognised that we meaning you and I, and also our society writ large was out of control the these sort of post, two thousand eight, the two thousand crowns led to this post, two thousand, a thinking, a sort of neo minimalism at the time or whore or minimalism really blossoming online, and now I think, over the last decade, we face new problems. We have new distraction, social media. This whole new thing we were facing new decadence and luxury in ways there are unimaginable and that that's for even for your average person, the richest king in the world fifty years ago, could didn't have access to a smartphone or of the conventional toilet

the fact that you have to go, I hope there are these advice, yet we're ok five hundred years ago for sure yeah that there were more as you so many of the these things that we for granted are luxuries and there's nothing wrong, with a flexible toilet round. I recommend having one I have to do usage such wrong. I know right and- and- and so I do in a question- things that we use and the things we feel like. We need versus the things that add value. So, let's get into those questions right now. Do it christina in Sacramento has a question for us, had a question about adding things to your wish list on amazon dot com, so I was doing really well

a month I wasn't buying anything. I wasn't introducing anything new to my house, but then I started to need you know just cleaning supplies or a replacement items of things that I really really liked And- and I added them to my wishlist- to watch like a decrease. If I was going to make a theme that I would add a ton of stuff to my wishlist and then I, I'm finding myself purchasing a lot of those items because I'm there, if there's a notification that they're on sale or that the prices decreased. Since I added it to my wish list, and I cannot stop I'm looking at my. I cannot I'm obsessively looking at my wish list and adding things to my cart and it's so easy

just to press the place order about you and is getting a little out of hand, and I could really use a refresher right, though her those of us who heard and really winter. I started with on a really good track and pick up our credit card that I met a lost now and I just I just need a little bit of it hit or advice on how to get back on track, reliable vice for christina get ready or amazon account. You dont have to keep it out of your life, but she is. She hasn't initially right now, with with the wish list, with amazon, with winning too much time in there we're spending too much money with hoarding with one that was hoarding, but with starting a horde yeah, and if, if it's that much of a crisis right now, which it sounds, its bordering on get rid of your amazon for a month or two years fastening about this right. Is this this time of your stay at home. I think has really exist

surveys online shopping in a way because we ve taken away the the retail shopping, and so, if you, I totally agree with you on the first thing I would do is give it. Amazon for thirty days or bare minimum get rid of amazon prime yak as you want or do some new friction into the process or delete your wish list, but you ve got to change or state somehow christina, and yet I totally reject do something for thirty days to change your stay and and may be revisited, but you know another piece of advice is do not give out in for me. And if you don't have to warn you when you're liking things on facebook, when you are adding things to your wish list. I mean even in your search browser I mean they are collecting so much data, so they can market to you christina. They know that if they pull the right lovers, they can make you do exactly what you're doing for sure, I'm at it in its it's pretty good at detecting what you're looking at, I mean.

shall not just talking about this beforehand? I was on allay times looking up an article about was for once I look in a J crew going Business like there are or not, but I'm sorry found, bankruptcies are going out of business and then the new they I get an advertisement for like J crew genes on allay time because it populated sidebar whatever, and so it's making connections now what do the things I'm looking to shopping about, but even in the things I'm reading about its its popping up and so right, you really hit the nail on the head here. If online shopping is your problem, you want to add some friction into the mix. I do this right now, so I dont by cleaning supplies online because I think is a waste it wasted in this Think of that, so I will intentionally add friction to the process. I spend more time I'll go to target or or somewhere else and by the cleaning supplies, and However, I also realise I need fewer cleaning supplies and we actually

great. You need one sort of cleaning thing, the war it will. The thing clean your sink, also clean your toilet, also clean your shower wall, so clean your floors, honestly and so you can also forecast. I also know the meyer stuff, although we had someone recommend the. What does that doctor Bronner's on the politics episode recently with him iverson we had we a gotta yeah. You can wash your pants with that as well and so yeah. I think one thing that covers Everything makes the shopping simpler, but you dont want to make it easy. So it can be simple. You can reduce the number of things you buy, but you can also add friction into the into the process. I don't by groceries died that I haven't delivered, because I prefer to be very intentional about going out and buying only the things I need and by the way, whenever I go to the store, I buy only the things that are on my list. If I forgot to put on the list, I force myself to leave the store without it I

some additional inconvenience into my life. Now, because I like inconvenience, because I hate impulse really you're talking about as setting boundaries for yourself right now, Christine it doesn't have many boundary so christine. Whenever boundaries were for you, you gotta implement those younger recommend one last thing since dimensions, boundaries. You need some rules for yourself now ryan and I have a minimalist rule book. It's called sixteen rules for living with. Alas, you could download that for free from our website on the resources page, the minimalists dot com, slash resources Christine. I recommend you read that and those rules are adjustable to your life, to your family and to your preferences and so you'll find that maybe the just in case roar, the just for wind rule or the seasonality rule applies EU or maybe you need to tweak them a little bits of they apply to your life and also Chris, In a sense you are in Sacramento, we've got a tour, stop coming up in sacramento, TK coleman's going to be with us. There we've got a bunch of tour. Tour stops coming up actually,

you find them over at the minimalists dot com. Slash tour, Christine I'd love to give you a couple of tickets to our sacramento event. If you head on over to that web page for anyone else, listen to this, you could find the city nearest you. If you don't see. You're sick you can sign up for the email list. There will notify you when we are coming to a nearby city. Monica and salt lake city has a question for us: honey, thysel tour. emergency items such as the suddenly to our debt and one other things you have for emergency type situations. Neurons, as we were just talking to christina about the minimum rule book. I might as well mention a few more rule four veronica here so there to rules and their employees I think the work really well, because I think we're asking this question differently now right she she's asking about merchants the items we actually have an emergency item rule is different from the just in case rule. It's just from the just for wind rule it, is a supper rule for I, a first aid kit right that as an emerging.

the item we lived in Montana had like a blanket in the trunk and and a shovel and some bleach and several body back up. Just for when just for emergency. Yes, we have mercy on role, but here's the thing and I've had some of the last question differently from how foreigners Veronica's asking a book, many people right now. There are time like this, where it feels like an emergency and for many people it is a sort of pseudo emergency right I haven't needed any new emergency items, the rugs pandemic. I got rid of a couple emergency items moving from montana California right because yet like you, don't need a wall blanket in our or a tire chain are even have a wheel blanket. I had the the emergency blankets, yet tired ain't exactly exactly and so I'm going recommend that rule, but there's one other rule is well that has served me well, is called the willing to walk rule in my life. I'm I set my life up.

By the way, I think everyone has this to a certain extent. I think this is my threshold is lower. It's the willingness to walk away from anything that could be the minimalist. It could be my marriage, it could be friendships, it could be Physical item for sure, I'm willing to walk away from the city in which live being willing to. walk away means that I'm intention staying in the thing because it best serves me- and best serve it, and if it were not willing, walk away, then them we are only willing to placate and that's not a place of content manner, joy that that's actually had a recipe for misery. Stew in some some real discontent and and so having a willingness to walk away there, that the ruin that rule book, I think we'll help ya out as well, because if you feel right now like you need to bring more, emergency items into your life. I think you really want to question those things you

and right now I agree with you. I've actually work away from more things during this time, I've needed a few more things during? tat. We, we booming, encouraging people who are on our text, messages to send us emerges of the recent thing they d clutter and ryan people have guns so so creative of course, physical items there somewhere senator I am oji of an umbrella or a lot of peaches have been defined peaches, negligence anyway, people than but also like smoking habits have been declared during this time and so different habits people. Water below. If you want to send us an image of the image, it's just a nine three, seven, two o two, four six five for those taxes go to both of our phones one thing all all add here is Veronica gotta figure out, what's up

rate for your life too, because living in California, for example, specially los angeles. We get a lot of earthquakes so Maria and I have talked about having like a generator to to to power things in cases like a major disaster, especially after watching, will, is about the black out the documentary. Oh, I forget what it was called: zero dark thirty. It is zero though it is zero days, zero, zero hour. Maybe I think zero days zero to, but after watching the I'm like oh wow, like we actually duty to plan for an outage like it's going to happen and because it puts how fragile the that the grid is especially women, only with earthquakes and his whole other things of that document goes into. However, another infra generator re, so guess what I didn't get a generator What is more, I had a house and I had the appropriate spaceport. I would totally get that so run, a guy again, yes, pass emergency items, but make sure that you get

what's appropriate for your life right in that will change, depending on a whole bunch of different circumstances. I think the the rule in the rule book will help you identify what those circumstances are What time is it you know Tom it is. It is time for our lightning round where we answer your text, messages, texture questions, comments to nine three, seven, two: zero, two, four six by four yesterday, as I said those too go to both of our phones and we do respond to as many people as we can now during the lightning round the sore ryan. I do our best to answer your question. We just a short cheryl lesson. forty character response and we put the texts- are these minimal maxims in the show notes, so you can copy and share our pithy answers on social media. If you like, and by the way you can find all of our minimal maxims in one place now minimal, maxims, dot, com, we have a question from our old friend my brewing brewer, but a good deed has your definition of the word, a central changed. Also, how have your perspectives on the word a central changed? I liked any made these as two separate questions, because my definition

essential, hasn't changed I'll. Give you pithy answer on that one might. If it feels like to much it's too much and in that's a base, way. My definition of essential. Now in that minimal rulebook that we ve talked about a couple times now. We're We have another rule and there it's called the no junk rule and ryan tonight, a really good job of delineating between essential items, non essential items and junk items, and so your second, Jamaica's have also how have your perspectives on the word essential changed. Well, really I what is essential to me. Really helps me live right, but but I think it's differ from that which is non essential, but increases or arguments

experience of life yeah right and you and I are- are really for non essentials, but we're not for junk yeah and too many people conflate the non essentials and the job, I know you ve got some for pity for yet for sure, before even my pet. The answer here when I think about essential items like that's when I take when I go camping, it's just what I need, but at home I'm not going to just look with only the things that I must have with only the essential. That's what my definition is so yet my pithy answers is you'll survive. Living with was with what's essential, but you'll thrive, living with what adds value So, just to your point, we do need some non essential things in our life, because if you live with only the essential you're you're living approbation, I think of a monk who eats the other road I mean they got rid of their hair, his own. It does not central, so they are, but they are depriving themselves into

finally because it's alive salvage use, which is great, but that is not I will be advocating every monday were advocating that people have in their life. What adds value wiccan? We can truly help them thrive, not just survive I just interviewed urban mcmanus for next film must now, and he had this great line. He said I think tumor he will confuse minimalism with utilitarianism right, but I think that beauty is essential and I love that about about his distinction there, because he doesn't want you items. Only serve a purpose. He once beauty in our everyday life through artwork and creativity, and also just through aesthetics, that is an assassin your part of life that nature is beautiful and I think that's essential, and I want bring that into my living space to workspace, whatever I want a strip it down, that we have the assassin

georgia in the sense that we get down to the essentials. It begins to expose the view But I want to remove all the junk. I think that actually adds to the beauty is while it's interesting, though there such a fine line, that I think we do when we're thing about what central and in what's non essential, much junk and I've I've seen This on watch and orders talk about motivation like I'd after watching waters. Unlike all maria, we need to get rid of like thirty percent of our stuff, because a leg makes me so paranoid. I feel sorry for, like all these things that people are holding onto right, but they get it did the line that the writing is. You know one one example is there's a woman who she goes out and she trash dives and then she sell stuff in ebay at every time they tried to get rid of something she's like well you're going to need to pay me twenty dollars. If you want me to get rid of that cause, that's what that's worth and in her mind, all of this stuff is essential because it's worth money. So it's

it's something that it's a slippery slope: what art when our definition of essential is right, and so so for us, we both recognize of what she saw buys not since your brain is not necessary for her to live she's conflicting the non essentials with the junk? Almost all those things are junk, she's thinking, it's something: that's adding to her life, the non essentials that are value are adding potential to add value right. Everything has a petition add value. That's not good enough to hold onto it. Yeah, who had something pithy- I don't know you- you can clean that often tweet, it shone, but oh right for weakening our listener tips and our value say: was their ryan you're gonna love the added value to dash charter with sean? Yesterday, and now it just really been enjoying it, but anyway, before we get that we gotta much more surprised questions as we like. What homework place and digital minimalism trends. Will we see in the near future

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muscular, like the song. Writing as I really muscular and is very american. It is ironic busy because he's from london, ontario canada ads erica part to a year under a special you, I've been there before we had a tour stop there and its very london is might as well be a city in ohio rate, and everybody feels very midwestern. There is a city in ohio called london, but, like the london honour of feels very much like a like this, this midwestern new media medium size, in a way in a way this album quiet? Talkers? Is it's like the perfect, dr music, Summertime drive through cornfields or or the desert like it's just that it's it's quiet, but it it's.

song. In fact, I wanna play linked to the this video, because a video itself is like it's a perfect song and a perfect video together and they complement each other so well, The other song is called two wrongs as well. How two wrongs make us right in some of the list, from this thing, ryan already a few where he says two shaky to lean on I'm too tired to be strong, I'm too old to start again and too young to believe it. and the other, like. I said there just as this masculinity to it. The the music is, so It's a fine example of the power of restraint and the beauty of concision. And he's a young guy with an old saw and the lyrics in the music go together really really well so check out Kevin yeats is album quiet talkers, it's almost like you jeffrey focal its

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