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Hello and welcome to diverge cast today is February eleven twin
Sixteen, my name is chris similar know. My name is eli patel actual
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nor is any lie. I'm subbing joined by china, kane luring brush. I think you both banana
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not one, but two people joining us level
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So, if you're joining us first of all, you're not joining us, let's, let's not kid ourselves, because
easy season. Three just kicked off and the life of pablo live stream is supposed to
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want to keep your attention for the next hour
undivided. Actually weep. Andrew are producer and I were
looking earlier that we should just put picture and picture easy
in three picture picture and then have the life of pablo kind of playing in the
ground, this entire
I like that idea. I also like that. I mean we're about to talk about her, really crazy scientific discovery and and that
happen today. Yet live streaming and video conferencing or stone like the biggest trash writer in technology. I get twenty two
and we can't figure those two things out. Why? Why did albert einstein have to spend his time working on this theoretical nonsense when he could have been solving lives? The real problems every day like livestream, it's ironic, because the livestream announcing the scientific
today also cut out end of his mormon momentarily pulled the frown, because youtube is so yet, which
he about its copyright claims. Also, they changed the name of gravitational waves, like four times before the actual speaking of gravitational waves. We should get right into it, so you may have caught the announce.
this morning at ten thirty. I stress that they ve discovered these waves.
For real this time. Real learn what you tell us about that. So this was a concept put forth by
albert einstein was about a century ago. It's part of his dear
of general relativity and basically everybody thought
they existed. There really was. No, you know no
about eight, although maybe some but not vanilla,
but no one had like how much we do. We actually put an albert einstein, s question. I you know
not a faith. I mean his.
Theory has stood up against the test,
time and on me now tons of tests, india in general. What is time anyway you're? What is time? What is space time? Well, let's get really existential, lay a great question: ass. We have a delightful video that kind of explains
we'll gravitational waves, not as an what space and time really are. So we can play that,
Let's go roll scientists say they have found evidence for gravitational waves for the first time ever that
every was made by a group of researchers called lego, and if it's true, it marks one
biggest scientific fines in decades ground,
he tional waves are considered ripples in space time what
space time. Let's try to visual
is it by imagining it as this blanket yes work in pressing for dimensions and
three. A smaller object on the blanket surface doesn't change the shape. All that much it will just
all straight across. But if you place a bigger
object with more mass on the blankets surface, it warps the overall shape much more significantly and affects other passing objects.
This is basically how gravity works in our universe. Objects seem attracted to each other, but really
They follow the curvatures of space time created by the
dozens of other larger objects. Now, let's
which things up a bit instead of a blanket imagine
space time as a pool of water. If you move and object through the pool it causes a ripple effect outward assent
or scenario happens when large masses move throughout the universe. They produce gravitational waves that warp space time
everyone basically agrees that gravitational waves exist, but nobody
been able to prove in fact the move
of every object in the universe supposedly produce these ways, but they're usually way too weak to be observed, so to find them
I insist that lie. Go look for the biggest ones out there. That means observing true super dense black horse merging far away this huge exe.
Of event generates enormous waves that can be picked up by legos observatories.
each facility is shaped. Like a giant l, the arms are vacuum, sealed tubes, two point five miles long at the end of each
is a mere window.
Invitational waves past the mirrors they warp space time, making
appear that one mirror is closer than the other. The science.
can measure this phenomenon by timing, how long it takes for lasers to bounce back from me,
The relative movement of these measures, is incredibly slight by the time the waves from the black holes make it to earth. They only change like those instruments. By about one, ten thousand, the size of a protocol
these measurements are incredibly difficult to detect and our very susceptible to error plus this.
In community has been burned before on gravitational waves in twenty fourteen,
Scientists studying the early universe said they had found evidence for the waves, but later
it turned out the measurements were just the result of cosmic dust, but finding
Gravitational waves is still a huge deal. It confirms the last big part of einstein's theory of relativity. That has yet to be proven. It could also open up a whole new way of study in our universe. Before now, we have been able to see objects like black holes or neutron sars, because their way to faint, but we could use gravitational waves to study these objects more directly than ever before.
this a little more but
can I just say science is insane. I can not believe you guys compressed four dimensions into three. How daring? Oh, my god, can we talk about? How genius that video is amazing? It's an amazing video shout out to Miriam Nielsen and phil esposito who,
who shot and directed this and did some amazing animations for it really like. I understood it
so shout out those guys, but I mean science is insane. We
time, others earlier the fact that this
necessarily have immediate pact like you, and I am not going to
experience any change in our lives because of this discovery. But still the fact remains
Are these mirrors separated by thousands of miles the detective? This insane thing coming last minute well alone, over the there there
different parts of your yea. So then this this detect
is how many light years away. So it was one point three
million light years away. I think the area that is ridiculous. Yet that is completely ridiculous. Does so technically the waves that they'd detected happened, yank the explosion of
black holes happened one point three billion years ago and it just now getting to us the effect
better just now. Getting too I write that we can
for them and their end there. So slightly go like they're, saying it's one, ten thousand the size of a
china's is how much it warps the space time around these mirrors. So the fact that we can you make those measurements with that kind of precision is just insane so albert
Einstein has been completely vindicated at this point. All of his theories have been proven yeah, but
in the end right, like they're gonna, deploy this into space somehow the year so that the idea is will bring.
The only way we can really look at objects in the universe is by using light of some kind of some kind of objects,
but you can't do that with black holes.
neutron stars are way too faint to see so
The idea is, we can see
They may be manipulate the gravity around them. With these grab it
I urge you to learn more about them in kind of see them in a different type of way got it
like a whole new. I mean it's like a whole new starting point and you have not been able to work with
if, like a medium, you haven't
put this meeting me at nine that you know how to detect them and where it is and how sensitive he need to be. In a thing, I can go back out to all these places that you've been sort of pegging throughout the year,
like oh, maybe this would be a great place to detect gravitational waves, etc, etc. Now you can go back to those spots and like real.
Work. Would it wasn't your studying right, just one of them, physicists
you had a really good point. It's like when we discovered radio waves or mina built the first like radio telescope. We discovered all these crazy new things, so
Finding a new medium for
measuring the universe, will probably discover things we never thought or even possible, and that's really cool of typical
and this end, this specific instrument or set of instruments was only at like a third its
potential sensitivity right, I mean like definitely amplify the senses.
So this is just the first step now new needs.
yet the confirmation of the way to be like. Ok, we found the gravitational waves now the time is to keep them,
in them and to make our insurance more
sites so that we can actually use them.
as a form of measurement, rather than
you're saying that there are there- and this is this lake- fully pier
You did this pointers that another step that they need to go through. No, they publish they publish their study in the
nickel journal. I can't remember the exact name, physical journal, letters or whatever
you're, saying it wasn't us make now.
And so that went through purview hadley get that over a thousand authors on it. Do so much people signed off on this and I'm sure
it's gonna have to face up to a lot of scrutiny. You know, even if its peer reviewed things that go through purity
are always correct and
people are definitely looking at this. However, you know it seems pretty legit.
They have a lot of people on it, and so I'm
being a mean fingers crossed that they got everything right, I'd, love to
and that this won't change people's lives, because I think that it's this kind of stuff it makes people more interested in the science that's going on about our earth and about space.
And things like that and when you start to go down these words of learning about what this stuff means, it changes your perspect
yvonne everything and I think a country that doesn't have like yes, that, like immediate impact like I'm, not gonna not going to work tomorrow, because there are gravitational waves now you can't go by some gravitational we're taking a personal day to sort of absorb what this means to absorb that way. Yeah
it's no. I agree with shannon that yeah for sure it's, it's super cool that they were able to do this, and that is like the most reductionist way to talk about that. So cool, good job, guys next thing cause west, but it's all yeah,
But that being said, it is always nice when they can connect it to something
rightly what the implications are, and I think what what makes this
more exciting than your normal scientific discoveries, the fact that they don't even know how big implications area right because they don't know what they're going to discover, knowing that they have this new
internet available yeah. I think yeah, that's kind of what so big. So
the change to the lives of many in the scientific community is not.
it's an. It doesn't have an immediate impact for us right now, but I think it definitely will have an impact on just our understanding of science and how we study it.
I need to hype check two things. First, I need to hype check gravity the movie
historic, clooney, different different rating gravity.
By the way, speaking of the movie gravity, I have an alternate theory of of what happened in that movie. Please explain: yeah goblin played george clooney's character was did not die
If I saw that movie spent a couple of years, it's been a couple of years get on it. I don't like. I. I think that he was actually in the the the cat, like he returned to the capsule. Think that,
why totally be because it was too real, it was too real. Also, can we talk about how george clooney did not need to die in that movie cause if you're going to have a son,
first on she is so he was flying off.
into space. Sincere and she grabs him with the with one of the cords and stops his his flight, and instead of that, would have just stopped him and he would have
A gentle tug would have come come back, but for some reason some kind of invisible forest was making reputational snelgrove unified theory.
The movie gravity has finally come together: yeah matured corneas spent three years waiting for vindication and now the theory of how he died. But if they are about it is always a problem. You have gone up and down in an isolated attachment
Okay, so we've gotten the the hype track of gravity out of the way. No way we didn't know we kind of got sidetracked. I think kirsten wants to take over that. No, I refuse to hide the fact that, while know like the,
tool for the other as a priority. The young talent of ten nice very generous high destiny,
then hijack gravitational waves
maybe seven out of ten? Oh wow,
Nazi they're coming, you have a letter
there are even higher or lower hired me. This is like inventing lake. Basically, a new type of telescope says is like peak height and suchlike.
this is a tentative tat, so we got as so. What's what's the
shining, fine. Equally, five from africa, the others
math is a little beyond our pay grade. Let's move on can someone just check
For me very quickly. Is the the easiest live stream up Jesus or what your us? It is the easiest season. Three lazy season, easy excuse me, geez. Our entire staff is like sitting up on the couches watching that live stream too, like we are, we are alone in a bubble. We are oh, I know Jamie.
Is having some struggle. Literally nobody's is widely known, even typing in our main slack channel
I tell ya, know nothing really. Well, I really that's it. You know what we're lied to table will make it max for later
evening began when you're done with. I hope. Yet.
tomorrow night, yes,
Let's talk virgin galactic you're, going where next week to them a desert desert you desert to see we're going to see at virgin galactics new spaceship, it's the replacement first patient to we're after it severed and send fortunate crash lush
two years ago, yeah yeah, you have your happier
so we're gonna go see that maybe
maybe not stephen hawking might be there. You don't know
that would be cool and would be cool depends on his head.
Is what they're saying and so yeah we're, hopefully going to get up and close with it, and do we have any speculation? What we're going to see
The changes are not changing, assume at stored,
similar space plane.
Style, is still connects to the spaceship want. It's. The white knight weightings, white knight to yeah
so still connects the white knight to their just replacing the you need to learn an entire new language to the attic his right, so it so
as some background on virgin galactic for people don't know it. They are not your standard rocket company there. They don't make the
cylindrical vertical, take off rockets at you
normally think of when you think of rockets, they make space planes
that yeah they have to be taken up
an additional plane which takes that so
explain to a certain altitude deploys.
These plain and then that goes into suborbital space, and they were the first, basically, the
first major private space company to burst on the scene and early two thousands promising like once this
Technology is ready, we're going to let everybody go to space
we're gonna start by selling tickets for two hundred fifty thousand dollars. All these celebrities and bigwigs decided to start buying up these tick.
in advance of that promise.
And then every year it was sort of like wow, we'll get to it next year, and then every year the next year, you'll get your ride next year and it just kind of kept getting pushed until they finally start
testing and then once they started testing the flights. That's when every debate disaster here they re
yeah so honour hollerin, I think, got over twenty fourteen year. They I remember cause I was getting ready to go out.
area of getting dressed in white costume, and I and that news bereft of like well having now yes
happening is okay, so I explain it correctly: the the
spaceship has a thing called feathering technique where
It changes the position of its wings and
what happened was one of the pilots accidently and unlocked that feathering press
that's too early, and so it
as the wings to change, fishes changed position before it was at the right spot, and that kind of I think that made that the plane,
speed any change in arid and annexes, yet not good
and wound up being so, if nothing else, they would probably make that
somehow safer, whether they automate that process or make it more difficult to. I would assume it's. I would assume that it's going to be more automated or at least protect against user error, because that was when the
the things that I believe is the interests be bored that looked into it they concluded
The original design was would did not account for mishaps from the pilot,
Themselves has been one of the biggest criticism in the last couple years since our last year and a half since, as happened was that
seems like a thing that, with thorough review you should have realized. We need to make sure that this
these, like foils, are locked into place and that they can only be deployed at the certain speed that they need to be deployed in that was it it's been
I think part of the reason why it's taken this long to unveil the new version of the plane, and
even longer because it won't be
for another at least couple months before they get back up in the air.
So you know I am armchair quarter backing here bit, but I mean, if you, if you
about how automated a modern airliner is. Why would they not seek to make in aircraft with as many critical failure?
points as that has as automated is possible yeah, that's what I'm going to ask. Is this normal of other like space lunch?
vehicle. That's the thing I mean give humans that much control. Well, the thing is
space launch vehicles are normal, so and ones piloted by humans. Exactly so it
sullen, a very experimental phase. The industry is, and that's a kind of
good and are in art
desolation around it right now, too, there's not a lot of regulation.
Terms of how the vehicles are supposed to operate, because it's very is still very
Much considered a new experimental field,
so that's definitely changing. Now, that's well.
It's been it that sort of rains have been pulled in a little bit since virgin had its
Didn't I know the ep is like at least paying more attention to these specific. I'm sorry. I do agree with that. They did just pass legislation, though that said, that's going to extend this period of this experience.
or period without regulation, but I can from what I've got
whether the f is a little hungry too
start to step in and and
now go crazy with regulations, but maybe maybe a few adjustments
speaking of the a just gonna squeeze
more thing in here, because if this actually goes through its it's big news, Ben popper just wrote about this. I believe a few minutes ago
There is some discussion of changing the the rules about drone registration, so would only apply to drones above four power,
france, which is a very important number, because the phantom is under four pounds,
You must have the ones that people think about our under four cons about commercial drones. Would they still cause damage?
feel like the ones that are under
proponents are you said when you saw this, I think I still mess up somebody yeah yeah, if yeah right, if I mean it's, if a if a three and a half pound phantom goes into a jet engine, it's still going to be a problem yeah. The idea is that they are still restricted to a certain height right. There, yeah they're, still restricted to daytime use only below four hundred feet. Of course,
People are necessarily going to obey the rules but death, but that that the bottom line is that if this goes through, wouldn't pretty dramatically changed
landscape of who needs to register
drones and when and why, because I
I don't think there's any real consumer drowns that are reformat, maybe like that inspire one. What's the evident and hats kind of presumed here, the airline? What's the real right now everything
it was everything over half pound it yeah, whatever whatever was like little toy micro drones are like the only thing under the weight limit right now base, so that would be amazing if you had to register those little like tail number for your at your palm
drone yeah right, I have a bunch of those things. I love this, it's a it's that's going to be the
one of things. I mean there's so much that we cover and so much that we don't cover that
like is gonna change dramatically over the next like five years, let alone like the next ten years, but drones
is one of those things that is going to be, I think, make rat
differences in certain areas, maybe not as like, will broadly reaching, as we think like now. Drones filling the skies but like that
One thing that runs out of fill the skies. That's the thing right, like all these shipping companies get their way can be these routes of drones, rest nonstop, all day and all night moving across.
sky, so they do need to have any. You know Ben poppers
a lot of reporting on this bolivia. You know they need a collision avoidance. They need to interface with aircraft using
hideous beer, some other transponder technology. They know they need all these things in place so that they can talk to each other.
An agency knows where they are, is an easy to put areas be on a drowned. I think you're think they ve done. It
google and amazon of both.
Done it already. As long as you don't let the people who run countries live stream, do they're, not gonna get it done. Its is kind of you
self, its maritime running his online stream malware. History is like the radar technology. They re tracking technology for planes right so that they can talk to each other in the sky and backed eighty see.
And yeah I mean they're they're, just going to have to be very careful, but how that goes because again, you don't want to suck those things in a new jet engine or hit him in a personal plane or
virgin galactic enough, I don't think making it does highest verde reflecting spread over. You could see how like, if someone was trying to film it from above, and then I don't know it could be bad news
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goodbye rough. So the first thing. The first thing we're gonna talk about. Is this this tentative decision for
the the national highway safety transportation agency
the authority association nets- I just another minute
is ruling that damn v, Google basically can a computer can be a driver
if you want to boil it way way down to what's happening at a very high level,
and this has broad implications for self driving
overall, because what it means, though, if you look at the regulatory framework right now for how cars exist and operate on
u s. Roads me
of those regulations are around the very valid assumption until recently that there's a human behind the wheel, because in nineteen sixty, why would you assume otherwise?
back then like in nineteen, seventy or nineteen? Eighty? Maybe you could say that, but nineteen sixty was like when everybody was like the future. It's going to be great yeah food will cook itself by night,
I was in eastern series. Rather so the
The bottom line is that this means that a lot of feed
hers and now
and bells and whistles about a car that are there for the function of
facing with the human driver don't necessarily need to be there because that their interfacing directly with the computer instead. Now, if you will extend this this, this broad thinking that,
A computer can be a driver to other areas.
as well. You can see how this might apply to say, liability, you're, saying that
computer can be considered a driver or
I don't know,
the bottom line is that the implications go far and wide for this. If it actually sticks, but that's not to say that every computer can be considered a driver, you still need to go through the.
the testing to ensure that you actually know how to drive a computer is no different,
you have to mean-
this regulation start to change state to state around the country which is also gonna, take which there yet they're trying to harmonise, but this good reasons that we all bit for there are- and why are you here is about, though, as I know fur, there is a whole big thing:
bout google's somewhere in cars they
im ready and then they have to change them because they had to be able to have a person in the driver's seat. That does that kind of take away that requirement now, in the long term. That's certainly the goal is to
get to that. Eighteen
if you summon a car with an app and it pulls up- and there are just two passenger seats- no driver seat right, the the cars that are on the road right now in austin and in in mountain view, and soon and in washington state
a steering wheel, davenant emergencies, shops which they have petals and, for example,
Reason is like a human needs to be able to take control for both Lee
reasons and also because the computer software and finished so like if the car gets itself into trouble with the computer in the earth.
gimme, the human needs to be able to take over but theoretically long term when they get everything sorted out
which, I believe is still many many years away, but some day they'll be in a position where they can just let the computer do everything so crazy. How does this change? How people are developing driverless cars now feel like? Does this change? If apple is hypothetically working at a jar? Does this change
the way that their developing this disease just take away the steering wheel. That does a very good question. I of the wherewith look here
it is the same way you look at say uber, where silicon valley
being silicon valley has just sort of
been in the mindset of pushing forward as quickly as it can, irrespective of through.
Regulatory hurdles that it faces- and I think that's been the case with the driverless of that region-
they have just assumed along that they would find a way around the rules or they would find a way to change. The rules, and so late last year we code reported this
voters did as well. They sent a letter to accessing yo like what we need.
Sort this out and that's where this
Is this new or this temporary ruling came from yeah and I think that Google knew all along that they were going to get to that point? They'd, be, you know, have a huge lobbying organization and in that industry in general, I think, is very convinced that they can get around.
Those restricts, not just silk. Silicon valley, though I mean it's, some of the traditional auto manufacturers have been assuming that as well. I mean like that's why when I went out
last year to see dinosaurs, self driving bigwig mean they
He went to one of the only states that would let them do like basically develop and test that and they just sort of like, but but big difference there is that they are very careful to tell you that
still need a truck driver right. They were very careful right that, but I think half of that is coming from not wanting to offend the truck driving pace agreed agreed, but but I do think in talking with gm and forward as well and toyota, some these other big automakers legacy automakers. I think that they are taken
much more measured approach to how they think about this stuff
They are thinking
in terms of you know a lot of its very pragmatic thither,
trying to push lie belief as far as far off their played as they possibly can, with the exception of all those who says, they'll take full responsibility, so they are saying look at the end of the day. There is
possibility falls on the driver to make sure the card is drive off the road or and do another car edward, regardless of what
computers doing or thinks it's doing, and then you have tesla. Just
like a google which is like we're just going to deploy this in beta we're just going to push this to every car overnight.
We now have a you know.
I can drive itself its beta, just be careful and then,
week later we see like all of these videos of people exactly of these crimes,
inside of a highway exertions help people? Oh hey, we're gonna, give you the software that, like will totally jeopardize your life just like keep your hands.
We actually strange to me that they didn't get more push back on that cassettes.
since then. I love that only the way that they approach software in those cars and what they're trying to do with a lot of that stuff. It was initially without harming the sunlight on most of the rolling unto them or less but
and as someone who wants to buy a model, three probably
his next car, which will we should talk about next,
I love that idea, but I also think that there is really crazy. That day I mean
you can only assume so much like how people are going to treat you're talkin, cheap, yeah working. It is it. It gets at a very deep rift between
the legacy of auto industry and the new auto industry, where the new added industry coming from tat is
to the mindset of what you know
it's it's a continual. It's an innovative process of improving the soft,
we're time you just pushing software updates as you need
that's how we're gonna do it and then it, but when you get to a car it
as a matter of life and death yeah it's funny, because it sounds very reminiscent of what musk does with his rockets. Do you know a layer of each new rocket there we ve.
now that they were kind of changing things around for each launch or even testing things like reality amount in the biography about him that they would often
up some rockets with like competing technologies stuff that they were building in house so that they could come, you know,
that data back after a launch and say that
go to suppliers and say: hey. Look like you're thing did, worse than anything that we built and how a slave mute. Can we get it for cheaper or raise they do a lot of that stuff
no one's riding on raw his rockets yet sunday. What I really wonder about anyway with that? Obviously this is like temporary google's not talking about it. Others suffer this sort of raw
wing from the enhanced usa. Does it
like you said, I don't think it changes how people approach this technology, at least in silicon valley, but does it say
The timeline, like everybody, keeps talking about ten years out, o twenty years out and they have like sort of
different gases on when we might get. You know
over there are autonomous or lift that are autonomous, air or commercial.
Action cars that are autonomous, there's like different time once for all those it all starts about ten years out. How does this mean
that time line we know you have. You have three different variables that are pulling on one another. You have the right.
the tory issues, you have the liability issues and you have the technological issues and if you'd asked
a question a year ago. I would have said it in its regulatory that that
that's going to be the long pull, because they have so much to figure out and they don't know what they're doing and lava in there.
doing on a step by step basis, which is insane and then, if you ask me six months ago, I would have set out its programme, be the liability issue like that. No one it figures known as figured out like who is,
but when a self driving aircraft,
Is there a sign that it can be solved anytime soon? Now I think
actually coming full circle back to the technology of oven because sector.
Fox used, bergmann transportation secretary is
very hard and trying to standardize this stuff
he's trying very hard to harmonise address states which was an enormous concern?
and he seems to be pulling on all the right threats to make that happen.
And the liability side still lot to figure out there, but volvo has are like I mentioned before he has come out and said we will take responsibility for our cars crash and that just seems
what's going to happen going forward- I mean they are. They are the first domino to fall in the right recipe, though it's going to be the company's yeah. Well yeah. Well, if all those precedent
ends up spreading then yeah. What would be the other option?
how'd. You know. There are many reasons why I think I think the m. I think that
The assumption for a long time- and maybe the assumption still with somebody makers- is that if
as long as you have someone sitting in what is traditionally the driver's seat. Even if the cars controlling itself in the car gets into a crash, it's that person's fall below.
You should have seen the crash is going to happen and take control back and anything
There are still companies who are hoping, that's how it plays out
there's just no, it can go that way, because, like one when the technology moves forward a couple more steps, people who are
that position if there are even stole like wheels and pedals there for them to take back over.
Going to more and more. I believe that the computer should be able to protect them from whatever they see on like income as yet, and even
if they eventually we're going to take over and try and avoid at the last minute like that hesitate
caused by knowing the technology is, there is like enough to. Let me know
atlanta person of these things happen so quickly, area, there's no way it seems ogilvy way safer to have a computer making.
decisions one and we ve already without so,
This has already happened. I ral. We had that. The company crews, I think, is the name of the company. They were testing their aftermarket self driving solution on a nissan leave in san francisco view that we read about this insight
let's just go and in the process.
Of transitioning control from the computer to the driver, the car crash and who is ruled by the drivers fault.
in its sights wiped her part car
Well, it's like in the millions of miles of google's self driving cars have driven so far the only handful of like dozen fifteen or sixteen accidents. I think that have happened have all been human or human, not just human error, but the other driver's fault right yeah, but isn't that what google said yeah but is it
They can they capua dodge the reporter figures. Yeah, I'm you like, if you think about the logistics of it, it would be very hard from them from the lie out of that, because there were there'll, be insurance issues, unlike her eye, and on top of that they started so they definitely started self reporting that stuff which liking it at your right,
question it, but they also are self reporting it and attaching like the police reports and all this other. It's not just them saying like no trust us. It's actually come back right, yeah, okay, what do you think happens? First, all fifty
dates? Allow some right now? It's we have what nevada, california, sworder florida and there's one more right for their sport, like four states that allow
the testing of self driving cars on public roads well equipped
Sadly, yes, then there's a broad grey area with other states like tax it. I swear you contestant nonsense, yet I, but so, but that,
shows like how slow this is rolling out cause, that's just testing when alone mighty allowing it to get. So. What do you think happens first, that sort of
regulation spreads to offer these states or marijuana legal s. That's it that's the races on, because you have colorado and enlargement in Washington DC. That's a very good point, not equip I've considered before
they may actually heard they may happen in lockstep, because as more drivers get high,
the more they need to rely on computers to get where they are safely right. Everyone's just going to be smoking weed in their driverless car yeah. It picks it up for a foggy in cars. It's like a bob marley branded weed bread.
we adolescent universe ass. We went down this weird road,
on adequacy ass about once all
stuff is happening. All the self driving cars and like uber and lyft are self driving. It's like it's all just can be branded it's going to be. Oh, I can
Ten bucks for the ride from the airport
self driving live like you, pay five bucks for, like
the CBS network, wrapped one and like I get the big bang theory,
I did, in my view the entire right from the airport. There is no amount of money. Cbs could pay me to have a big bang theory.
Did in my favor you, if you can ok, but if it's like five bucks from J f K, nerve its words like such misery pricing surprising, but if you want a ride and like the tv s like continent, o brien car, these are the kind o brien car would be terrible it.
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as this James franco relations
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these are suffering as the easy. I hope I'm not a big fan of soldiers, cars I like driving cars. Can I do to you,
it's a nice feeling. I feel a little arm.
like a minority report, kind of universe, or I robot yeah, we're like he had
option of the steering wheel, gentlemen down when he was when less done honestly to want other people driving cars like I get that you oughta do no harm
I don't want anybody else, driving their own car on me now this is exempt, would be so much safer. This is exactly the more I have made my the trip I made the trip from my home in abstaining or two
like ever since I started going to college in long island have been down in the city
in making that six, our trip relic my entire life and the more I make that trip the more. I realise how awful the drivers are around me and the moron
wow. I dodged like seven bullets on this drive home or on this drive back to new york and every time I get specially bigwigs, especially but all
just like regular passenger cars and every time and make the drive I get to where I'm going home or back here like man, I'm kind
ready for it now in terms of hype. Check, though, maybe have current level like a self driving cars or in our lake
I can agree with the aims will give it like all, grew that five, I would say there, lay there too long. I mean stream. Yet there are some cases, a you may, while the car to drive you, but at the same time wasting the
happy middle ground is in my opinion, is that we are reaching the
we were in the next. I think, five to ten years max,
cars are going to be virtually unquenchable like
cannot be self driving, but it will not be possible for you to crash one.
Of those already almost there. They have this system called city safety that I think is standard in vehicles now is about to be where
below. I think it's thirty miles an hour like you basically can't crash at like if you try to stared into something it'll just be like note and like I so I mean like we saw this trend is to try and that at that ensure an auto show. Yes, where it's like that kind of technology immune just basically,
collision avoidance and stuff, but even that kind of technology, which is really important.
Almost an afterthought. When you talk to these automakers, obviously Detroit there like trying to there's a lot of those company,
are still going after sort of traditional like it's a visa
it's a be twelve of them in their their pumping out like more
additional, like sexy, ato s back since we did like an hour in the in the back seat of rolls royce don yeah, but like it so
place. Now that these cars are having that's a built in their almost forgetting about it, or else it was always like an offer that what was it,
the lincoln continental was like the only presentation when they announced that car that was like technology first car
interior like engine. All that say a second. Do we have any statistics on how added is anything changed, or is this not been implemented widely enough, like these kind of anti
measures you have you look at the stats over the last decade when I think
Billy control became required by law. There is a broad trend towards low.
crashes per million miles driven approach per mile, driven whatever
the inner measures and there is
light this made news recently there was a slight up in the past year. No one really knows why a very popular theory is that people are playing with their smartphones but things. But when you look at the uptake in the context of how much
the crash rate has gone down in the last decade, so pretty miraculous
this is why I am really excited about what tassels doing mean all these other
Our companies are are building in this sort of safety, but that's like I met of,
mindset of. I don't really want an internal combustion engine anymore. I don't care how cheap gaskets like I just don't. There's too much on the
of how that caskets to my car,
as far as like farming, they might
and I'm ready for an electric car, and they they have do. They have to kill elephants for every gas yeah. I just don't want to tire way for the elephant get into my car. So this is why I'm really excited about the model. Three. I think we should talk about therein now, because we are finally found out that a march thirty
we already knew like in march a numerous twenty sixteen tesla's next car was going to be unveiled, but now we know March thirty, first, a yeah. The last I mean it's like give it. It was like when spacex
to turn to flight, it was like the week before
chris. If musk is anything, he is reliably inconsistent and it's like, of course, they're gonna like push it
very under when he was trying to say he was announced his car and so they're going to reveal this car, but then
we also reveal mean how much god he's so
australia and and earnings call yesterday he was literally lake
I haven't decided how much of the the car I'm going to show. I don't know whether I should have show it or like hold some parts close to the
if they're gonna play taking pre orders on that day. They have to show it like you can't just luck, but in fairness they could just flash like the headline of the car and they were
we'll get a million preordained would. But that's really really, I mean they're not going to do like a faraday future seat cs and show like a concept car they're, going to show like they're going to the car. It's going to be it'll, probably
My guess is that it'll be a concept version of the car. I dont think it will be a production, mental, maybe a well. I vote. I think you know. If you look at the model acts and the model ass, they showed
They showed designs. There were very close to the production design before well before the car actually came, but did they start taking priority? Or yes, the model acts they they been taking curators since the eighteen, hundreds and it shows, and shipping in volume say. I think you know that the business final as
like annoying as it is works well for them and people are responding to it. So I am, I I think it as long as they are able to sustain, and I like the way that their treating their business, but obviously
Question is like whether or not there
sustained until this car comes out, because everything really hinges on the model. Three, I mean right, the model
the model ass everything has been almost not a does a diversion like
not even really groundwork as much as it is ground swell or the model three yeah like they are trying to get people interested in the idea of an electric car at the roadster is like hey. We can make a really sexy car in italy, electric and of crazy range and will be really fast.
No one will be able to afford it right. The models ass is like us much bigger step.
down from that still way out. Everybody's price range, but like a normal looking, Sudan has really great range, is really fast enough to beat
like lamborghinis off the line and
is ready to by the way, congratulations on launching you're, sick single urge, thanks to
kirsty for producing that. Yes, look at look for that next week. You
I hope you get big enough, that you have people ripping it and putting on youtube like dj, khaled snapchat, yes or like. Oh, you missed sick lambo. This week we got you it's on youtube or well, then I'll tell those people you played yourself yeah, but then then we have
model x. I mean it's like we've gone through this winnowing of like bringing things down to more affordable and now there's going to be this big jump to the model three, which is supposed to cost thirty five thousand dollars before
any tax incentives and the federal
In this country will give you seventy five
hundred dollars back. If you buy an electric car and then your state will give you differing amounts up to
hi is like six grand. If you live in my colorado and stuff, so you could theoretically get the model three for twenty five
these thousand dollars, depending on where you live. So am I
someone, you hasn't own a car and six years. How, as this changed, is it
feasible to actually have an electric car like what
Yes, what is it? What is the impression
you're like for that. Yet so a couple of very important things have happened.
whenever one one is that the twenty sixteen is the first year and twenty seventeen and earnest, where electric cars with practical, ray
Inge are becoming affordable, we're seeing that with the chevy bolt and then we're going to see that with model three in theory, the other important thing that has happened is there has been this
explosion of level, two chargers, which are like the standard, fast chargers that you see in parking garages like fill up in like twenty or thirty minutes?
No, no, no level too is like four hours
I think, and they nicely super charter is super chargers, and so tesla has done a fantastic job of building out that supercharged network, with the idea that you can take a reasonable cross country trip and hit supercharged
along the way, get lunch,
It's like a half hour, fill up and then you're good to go. It's a eighty percent half an hour right so question Chris.
Are all the tests is: can they take super chargers.
some of them can't write what is so soon
charging at one time was an option on the model ass. I believe
I believe it was an option where you could speck a model s without
for charging support. I don't think that's the case anymore
I think that all model is currently sold have super charging they'll need I mean they need that to be centred. They
builders. They knew they can, however, that there is by the way, because this is true in every single industry, on the planet. There is
a there's? A speck were for a fast charging course.
other super charging, witches, proprietary, tesla and then there's dc faster,
and there is another
called child among which is
only used by the new suddenly, if I believe by its technically a standard, but in the u s, only car, only real car, the people only that use,
gmos is leave diesel.
Ass charging is being supported by basically everything
altruism, tesla, gm, Bmw, volkswagen.
With this is going to become more and more of an issue, and do they have ways to find
charters and cars themselves or yes, so the model s has ruled out in sovereignty.
Last year, they rolled out a system where it basically communicates to you, as you drive, whether you're getting into an if he like
if your ranges loan of so that it can be difficult for you to get to a charter in time which is kind
like you, don't have to be actively navigating too to a place. You can just be driving in there
indicators like you, you might want to like look for a charter now, so that that's in that car, but bait
think. Basically every evie sold, including the bolt, and I think even the fault,
they all have some sort of integration, the navigation system that makes it easier to find charging stations, and the thing is like
the the charger network is a huge seal fur share and there you know, teslas got really big ambitions on building that out even further than it already has, which has already been.
pretty extensive, but the model
We can get you close do, depending on the circumstances about three hundred miles on a charge right. The bottle three
Well that sorry old model. Yes, my losses, yeah! It's to seventy five ish, I think a model three is going to be two hundred. We don't know
it wouldn't. You will be over two hundred and eighty five would get around to seventy five yeah. I think I can go up to three hundred its. I mean it's doable if you're not constant.
You like going eighty miles per hour, yeah and musk has said on a tall last year when he announced the p ninety.
He said that he expects the battery technology to reprove literally every year. So one surprise me: if he rolled out a pianist,
if this year and then a p one hundred the year. After that, you know it just keeps getting incrementally better yeah, along with the software updates, like his big, his big thing for tesla. Is that like, if you buy a model s?
today and I buy one in two weeks like mine, pretty like assuredly.
be better? I ain't your mentally garcia incrementally but like, if not just because of the software, and you won't have to download it, but because of things like that like if they do finally hit that break through and a gig factory,
it can come up with new sets of battery like the new found that you'll need to get the new, the new tesla in two years, tesla six, zero billion to even two hundred. It say the model three is two hundred miles rob. I hope more than that,
it's at least two miles? I get plenty there's plenty.
Basically how much you know. Chris P, suddenly
There is no peace in february the seventy woozy mileage on that
I had two. It was over two hundred, I don't know the exact when it wasn't going over to fifty, though I don't think so now right, but I think
You know there's a psychological barrier for people where, once you get above two hundred, it feels comfortable like you know, it feels practical level that the leaf the first generation leaf of, but when it first launches what fifty
I've or somebody it's like, and even now it's only a
eighty five year and its industries, the eagles too, and it's like to settle enough for most greenland israeli horses sure, but but it doesn't give you that that buffer, that safety buffer to make you feel a little uncomfortable.
And also doesn't match- and this is very important for people psychologically doesn't match. The range of a gasoline
Now it does lead towards the averaging gasoline goin
the three hundred four hundred yeah I mean just depends on the tank in the car, but kind of like maybe stupid, simple question: how long does it take to charge a battery on a tesla so, like you're, saying, it'll go like three hundred miles, but so on. So I just got the drove a tesla for like several weeks when I was living in California, I would take
super charger. It would take an hour from that's two hundred percent rate yet tend to like war. They don't want you to actually charged to two hundred percent
I want you to go through like eighty five, ninety, because the problem
for charges now is that, like, as they might have
them in like every place that you can charge up, but like there's only one or two there, and there is this, like war of like everybody riding Ceci. When I went through supercharged there's a ton of people
cornea, there are tons of people drive electric cars and most of them are driving test.
and so you you're in four wait. You remember what I test when I test for my less ink in california went paint when it first came out. Basically,
the super charger in the name of the town escapes me south san francisco. I came
but anyway I'm yeah. I had to wait- and this was like there were like ten have model us is on the road at this point in, but to answer questions question even plugin overnight, right in your garage yeah. If you want to, you can even plug it into regular while let it will just take forever, but you can do that. So many
wrap up in a minute. I want to go through a few quick things that that you should all be aware of their is a new
winter time line, which is apt in right now- is that right there, but I haven't, I have been prompted by anna. Had I didn't need ortega, I dont think you get prompted. You have to go into your settings. I didn't see the toggle yeah, I didn't mean didn't, show up until this,
morning s mind. It is a good about yeah. What's different honestly, I really like it. It's basically until you pull down for the first time and I'll, give you like algorithmic stuff, but then, if you go back to the top of your feet and pull down
those back to reverse granite water. It's out citizens like more expanded version of the sort of while you are aware of their rights. While you were away without the while you're away like little
I'm totally fine any. I like that more while you're away as well. So it's more than just like my students.
Fresh he's the. While your way to like things that you guys posts from like well yeah, there's a guy you're away is always curricular. My it's like only there, maybe dan islands, all nicholas,
obviously safer tweets,
I will say it is little: it's like vaguely unsettling when someone faves a tweet, that's like
hours old you're like what what what circumstanced lead you to be. Looking at my tweet from aid like there's something it's like miles away from like
going into someone's, instagram and liking one photo from like five months. Yeah. That's like the true, that's like a whole different level of theirs. This is true. Next we should mention that there are rumors. I think the wall street journal reported this of a google developed
VR, headset and ideas that
would sit somewhere between gear viewer, which is you requires the phone and like a full, fledged like rift set up
survive. This is between were itself contain,
to me. It sounds like the goldilocks view our heads have either. I bought of gear, we offer a couple easy. I've been using a note, five pretty exclusively since december, and I finally bought the gear we are in
it definitely has its limitations. But it's it's. Nothing beats how easy it
do you yeah. Do you use it? Is it just for games? So that's what's weird about it. Like the experience is great and you don't have to charge it, I mean there's so many things about it, that it's light and that's great. What's weird is
like I never feel comfortable using it in the apartment because, like my girlfriends always there- and so it's so it's like you- get that we're
social moment of like diana use, this like, while she's in the room or like even while she's in the next room, like I usually just wait and then, if I find myself alone with a couple of hours like alright, let's pop in
see what's new, so it's matrix for a few minutes. It's really kind of weird like yeah. It's it, it will often get used to it someday
yeah, so we'll see put maybe it I owe this will be a thing of your heads. I will see there would be cool. I would love to see them rolled out there. Yet
Then there would be a good thing for that.
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