Why do people go to such extraordinary lengths to change the way they look? What’s the best piece of music ever written? And why is Mike worried about getting cancelled and sued for the conversation you’re about to hear? There’s only one way to find out…
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Hey guys, it's my grown. This is the way I heard it the only five minute podcast that takes an hour to listen to number one. Eighty three and it's called play that funky music, white boy, Pursued has absolutely nothing to do with wild cherry or piracy, the musical genius who made that song famous way back in nineteen seventy six, I do love the tune and the title struck me as appropriate. Given the themes and a few parallels in today's story, we start off with chapter six from my book. It's called another tortured artist. And we conclude with a lively conversation about why it is people go to such extraordinary lengths these days to change the way they look Jack and I discuss what I believe could be the finest piece of classical music ever composed and
The inspired decision to use that piece of music in what may prove to be the finest piece of filmmaking ever made about the Second World WAR and the if men who fought it, it's a wide ranging mix of this, and that- and I call it play that funky music white boy and it all starts right now, and by right now I mean right after I thank my friends at policy genius for sponsoring this episode. If getting life insurance is on your todo list for two thousand and twenty one you're in good company, I think two thousand and twenty got a lot of people. Thinking about life, insurance and policy genius can make it really really really simple. You can compare thirty top insurers with policy genius all at one time and save over fifty percent in the process. There's no hassle because their experts work for you not for the insurance companies. You go to policy genius com. In a couple of minutes. You can work out how much
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say we play that funky music white boy, chapter, six, another tortured artist,. Back in the seventies before the world knew him by a single name, a battered boy stared into an unforgiving, mirror and considered his reflection, a split the swollen jaw, a black eye painful, but not as painful, is the words that accompanied the beating looking at mirror boy. Your lips are too fat for your mouth. Your nose is too flat for your face and your skin doesn't match your brothers. I'm trying I'm trying to business here. The boy in the mirror aside, his father was right. His face was not the face of a pop star. It was a flawed face. Swarthy face a face that he could no longer live with, and his mother's make up cabinet. The boy found a solution. A glass jar filled
white powder. He opened it sprinkled some powder into his hands and began to rub it onto his face wincing as he did so his wounds were. Tender courtesy of the man who wouldn't tolerate a single mistake, onstage or even in rehearsal, but grab really the boy in the mirror saw his complexion lighten. Would it be enough to mollify his violence and unpredictable father? Would it be enough to satisfy the people who paid to see him perform over time. As the boys, talent became more and more undeniable. Those questions became less and less relevant. By the end of the seventies. The boy was famous by the eighties. He was a nationals. Station by the nineties. He was an intern
national phenomenon by the turn of the century. He was the undisputed king of pop but for all his popularity he never stopped obsessing over the color of his skin. Even when his legacy was firmly in place, even when his personal life began. To unravel, even when he is unusual relationship with a fourteen year old boy led to a scandal and a court room drama, even in the grip of depression and addiction, the king of pop concealed his true complexion right up to the day he died alone. In his bed. If all this sounds vaguely familiar, perhaps it's because you know the story of another battered boy who stood before another
unforgiving, mirror two centuries later in the nineteen seventies and considered his reflection. His split lip swollen jaw and black eye painful, but not as painful is the words that had accompanied the beating look at yourself boy. Your lips are too fat for your mouth. Your nose is two flat for your face and your skin doesn't match your brother's. I'm trying to run a business here too funny how history so often repeats itself like his predecessor. The boy in this mirror was never comfortable with the source of his own reflection? He too was born with a skin tone that didn't match that of his brothers. He two was raised by a violent, unpredictable man who exploited his talent at every turn, and he too left behind selection of popular music, unlike
thing the world has ever seen, but, unlike his predecessor, this tortured artist lived in the era of plastics. Jerry. If you, Google, his name You can see the evidence for yourself a new knows a new chin. New lip, new eyelids, another new knows new, cheek bones: new hair, another new, no new eyebrows, new eyelashes, one more new knows and through it all a complexion that got lighter and lighter right up to the day. He died alone in his bet. It's tempting to blame the father for screwing up the sun, and in this case perhaps we should, by all accounts Joseph Jackson did a real number on the brilliant, deeply troubled artist. We know today by a single name, Michael
On the other hand, the old man did train and manage and shape the career of the most popular musician of our time, as did Johan two centuries before, like Joseph YO, on forced his son to perform and rehearse every single day of his young life, like Joseph Johan, relied upon his son to pay the bills, a sun with a complexion that he felt was simply to dark. Yet if you, Google, his name you'll find no visual evidence of his moorish ancestry, no portraits that reflect his natural skin tone and no busts that reveal a single non german feature thanks to a bottomless jar of white powder, Yohan son was able to keep his complexion a secret one that
Nazis were happy to reinforce a hundred years after his death by insisting the world that his unique musical genius was proof of german exceptionalism and a credit to the area and race. Happily, the most, tortured artist of all time, never knew that his music would make it onto Hitler's playlist a small blessing, perhaps for the battered boy who was never comfortable in his own skin, the lonesome bachelor, who never found his immortal beloved the legendary composer, who went death at the height of his powers, but kept on creating, even though he couldn't hear the applause. His many masterpieces inspired such were the burdens of the original king of pop, the man we remember today.
By single name Beethoven. I was reminded of Beethoven the other day as I was flicking around the tv dial it was a rainy Sunday in San Francisco, and I stumbled across Steven Spielberg Band of brothers, like Catty, shack, Jaws and the shawl shank redemption band of brothers is something I can't. Not watch and the scene. I stumbled upon on this particular, any Sunday is my favorite moment and the entire series it's a scene. I always rewind a few times whenever I happened upon it shot in one take with a steady cap, which I find more than a little impressive, but the mood it evokes is what, gives me the sequence begins in the wake of an ally attack with the old shall shock citizen, of a bomb doubt german town
looking like zombies through the rubble of their neighborhood, pulling their busted possessions out from massive piles of debris, as a small group of American G eyes observe the tab low, we hear what might be the greatest piece of music ever composed the sixth movement of Beethoven's opus, one thirty one. It's not just the soundtrack for the scene, it's part of the scene. Self for nearly three minutes for german men who have just lost their homes and impromptu string. Quartet stand in the ruins as their countrymen pick through the rubble they play. The devastatingly beautiful movement, an amazing sequence. That concludes when a g I Oh pines I'll say this much for the crowds they should know how to clean up. All you need is a little Mozart, another gee I replies at which point
tenant Louis Nixon played flawlessly by IRAN, Livingston the guy from office space, corrects the soldier with two lines delivered with a perfect blend of forty and world weary, wonder that's not Mozart. He says that's Beethoven Why do I love this scene? So much in part. I think it's. The juxtaposition of beauty and destruction placed so closely together each magnifies the other. The combination makes me weep every time I see it. I sympathize with the german civilian but I emphasise deeply with the g I who confuses Mozart with Beethoven as someone who's publicly Miss taken on a near daily basis. I know embarrassment of being corrected on camera. Indeed, when it comes to being corrected, you might say I am an expert on dirty jobs. I was correct
did by hundreds of different bosses in every imaginable setting as the perpetual new guy. I was corrected on windmills and oil derricks coal mines and construction sites, frack tanks pay farms, slime lines and lumber mills today I have a bad care that Wade's into history and biography and Facebook page filled with legions of people determined. To keep me honest. What I can tell you is not much has changed, but I can also assure you not all correctors are created equal. Take my cantankerous field producer day, Barkie, like my Father bar skis, incapable of listening to a story of some stray fact seems to be out of joint. Both men will interrupt a joke. They think it's being told the wrong way or a lecture if they disagree with something the professor says in fact a few minutes into this book,
Rsi is going to hear about MEL Brooks and call me immediately guaranteed a genius you'll say the vinyl record. You mentioned couldn't have been vinyl, it was shall lack it had to be because vinyl wasn't used for record manufacturing and nineteen. Forty four. This will be the highlight of bar skis week. My dad history teacher, will call immediately to ask how I knew that Custer's by he was violated in the way I've described. You don't know that he'll say experts still argue about it, just because people claim it's the case doesn't make it so his exclamation points will bouncing off satellites and entering my ears like arrows, is also a hopeless corrector of the apologetic variety. At least she pretends to be.
Oh Michael she'll, say I'm so sorry, but there's a double negative at the top of this section. You said I can't not watch sorry MIKE it's a great story, but I thought you'd wanna know. Personally, I don't mind being corrected even when I'm right, it's nice to know that people are paying attention, but when I am corrected, I prefer it to be in the style of Lieutenant Dixon. He didn't scold the g I for confusing Mozart with Beethoven. He wasn't haughty, pedantic or disappointed. His words came with No apologies, no exclamation points and no attempt to Lord his knowledge over his men. In fact watch the scene on Youtube. You'll see that barely glances at the man. He corrects he simply rectifies this situation definitively, while remaining focused on the final few measures of Beethoven's movement.
By the way I ran into Run Livingston a few years ago and allay he and some eating sushi in a place called Katsura at a Strip mall off ensure boulevard. I was a few times. Away away with my school friend Chuck. Now I have never Oh, the celebrity in my life, especially surely one with a mouthful of fish, but I couldn't help myself a walk RON's table and stood there quietly, making things awkward until he returned. My gaze, I don't think RON. Recognized me but he did raised his eyebrows in the universal expression that says, What the hell do you want, as his friends and my friend looked on, no doubt asking themselves the same question I leaned in paused for dramatic effect and said all you need is a little more. Support for a moment. I thought he would leave me hanging, but he didn't lieutenant,
x and swallowed. His fish took a sip of his beer and with barely. Glance in my direction said precisely what I hoped he would say: that's not Mozart. That's Beethoven! is the story that comes next doesn't include a single mistake. But if you hear one please drop by my Facebook page and tell me all about it and while you're there say hello to my dad Never before have so many people been so concerned with keeping their home and their family safe, understand, but whether it's from a break in or a fire a flood of medical emergency simply safe security delivers award, winning twenty four seven protection was simply safe. You don't, you get an arsenal of cameras and sensors. You get the best professional monitors in business, they ve got your back day and night
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to clean up quick We need better. So it is not data, It still gets me I'm literally sitting here. I've got goose bumps listening to run. Livingston deliver that line as that music is playing amazing yeah it real is the thing. Tat gets me as that. Hearing some of the most beautiful sounds ever created and you're looking at just utter the utter destruction of war and how it affects people. It's such a great duality is a threat, work
No, it's good look, I mean it's so good and I I think I made this point in the story, but there there a number of shows that you know if I stumbled cross and I'm looking around, I simply have to stop right and mean a band of blue there is somewhere near the top of the list at its, but it's so, dangerous. You know because it's a nine part series, its investment- and this is this- is art, nine, actually right. An episode called why we fight and The scene you just played by the way we're not gonna get sued. Are we for this? You think you don't, don't think so I mean, I think, it's fair use because we're talking about it these are just so God awful. I mean if you're just joining Us Chuck, and I have made a career of bemoaning the fact that, just because it's on Youtube doesn't and you can play it in a podcast but they're all these- these fair use laws they're all these exceptions and hopefully we're on the on
right side of the law with us one. But I really wanted people to hear that because if they dont know what I was writing about and if he You haven't seen it. You know to your point: it's not just the music, it's not just the acting! It's not just the scene. It's not just the historical context it all of it, and I had heard that piece of music before its of course, Beethoven string, quartet number fourteen and see sharp minor. Of course it and that movement is opus, one thirty one, and so I had heard it. But until I saw those four guys play and those are real musicians. By the way you know, Spielberg just did a brilliant thing. He put the action, soundtrack soundtrack for his scene in the scene.
So you get to watch this amazing musical performance. While these poor people are trying to put their lives back together- and those are german, obviously right- they have just the allies- have just bombed. The budget is a sound of their town and their picking up the pieces of what's left, and this amazing music happens and you just sit there, slack jawed, watching the whole thing and wrong Livingston puts it Jerry on the Sunday I just he just couldn't have done it better I dont know why such a simple obvious line gets me every time, but just that's not Mozart, its though its Beethoven beta and you- and you have to remember too, that you know Beethoven, dad the only thing he wanted for where his son and for him, of course, was to out Mozart, Mozart
everything Beethoven was groom to do, was to be the next Mozart or something better and so to have Livingston juxtapose those two in that moment in the finale of band of brothers, one of the few tv programmes I can't turn away from. If I happen across it, you know that's why that chapters in the book- that's amazing! I didn't know that about Beethoven Beethoven was jealous of Mozart or his father wanted. His father was oh yeah, I mean Mozart was the toast of Europe back then, and Johan. Beethoven's dad knew his kid was a prodigy and believed he could. He could beat the greatness into him, which basically is what he did. He just beat the crap out of that
day after day after day- and yes, some account say you know he has deafness- was brought on by the beating really hasn't been confirmed. He started to lose his hearing when he was around twenty eight or so and was completely gone by forty five, forty six years old, and so he died at fifty six, never hearing anything he composed for the last ten years, in fact chuck. He never heard this piece. He never heard the string quartet number fourteen and c sharp minor opus, one hundred and thirty one, and he wrote that it was quite possibly the most important work his life, I'm looking for the quote right now, but how did you know that? Well here? Not only could he not hear it he, it was never performed when he was alive
He could only hear it in his head. He could only ever hear the thing in his head right. He never heard it played, but listen to this Schubert after hearing that piece said after this, what is left for us to write and Shuman said that this entire quartet, he called it quote, it possesses a grander which no words can possibly express It seemed to me to stand on the extreme boundary of all that has hitherto been attained by human art and imagination. Well, clearly, he never saw a band of brothers. Clearly right clearly anyway, yeah an amazing piece of music written by, I think, the most important composer of of all time and and dragged into the modern site guys by steam,
special Burg, we know what, let's, let's let let stick on Beethoven since that you ve given us a lot like my head is exploded with all the facts you have given us about Beethoven. So what is it that you did with this story? That's different then, anything else. That's ever been written about Beethoven. Well, I may look it's it's it's a high bar, but would, when I try to do with each of these, even if just in a really small way is make some sort of juxtaposition or comparison observation that that is unique and, as you know, there is not. Left the tuna her very, very, very little, but I was struck by the fact that nobody to my knowledge anyway, had compared Michael Jackson's life to Beethoven's life, and I didn't set out to do that. I set out to write a story Michael Jackson, and I started looking for new things about Michael Jackson and in the course of-
mining, myself, a lot of what I had forgotten about, Michael Jackson. I learned about the abuse he endured as a kid. His dad Joseph was not a good guy. You know he beat all of them. Purportedly but Michael, took it hard, and I was also struck by the degree read to which he changed his appearance over his life? Again: This is nothing new. Any fan, or just anybody with a pulse knows that the guy took plastic surgery to to a whole new level and and you know the controversy of the of the skin widening lotta people said he was bleaching, his skin other people say no. He had that condition. What is it if Dally go till Vitelli go the I t I allied GEO yeah, I guess, and pronounce it, but it
it purportedly caused parts of his skin to line, and then people say well. He was just trying to even that out right, but basically you know he worked pretty hard to change his complexion. I like to say he started out as an adorable black boy and slowly turned himself into an old white woman, which I think is gonna head. Is that what like to say to you. I do I like to say that while I mean look at it, was that general transforming? That's undeniably odd and I mean no no disrespect. The guy was truly the king of pop in our lifetime, but he was also the king of chameleons and he changed his appearance radically. And as I was reading about all that I remember numbered an article I had seen back in two thousand fifteen and a newspaper called the Korean,
the student newspaper. You have a subscription to that. Don't you I'd, never miss, but it was, controversial article, and it quoted an earlier article, written in something called the weak back in nineteen thirty by area by a black journalists named Carl Murphy, who first began to circulate the idea that Beethoven had also taken pains to change his appearance with the constant application of powder, because he was a little blacker than his. His dad wanted him to appear, and so it was back in the thirties that the question first started to make the rounds was Beethoven really black and this article in the took, took it to a whole new level and they found all kinds of quotes. Hero read reach a couple real quick. These are descriptions of
it's over from the day and remember, if you, Google, his image right now, you'll find hundreds of Portugal lights all and they're all different. You can next one. Next to the other and and and very few, you know it like a line up, you know in a police department like barely twenty different deeds. So we, we don't really know what the guy look like, although his favorite portrait according to Beethoven himself, was avail of a pencil sketch and in that sketch hold on. I find it right here here it is the photo he had printed in reprinted d, repeating it to all his friends and family as a memento in this photo. Beethoven's faces broad, his hair.
On rules and his skin is very, very dark, and this is where things begin to add up. That's in the authors own estimation front from the thirties. Pardon me there is no problem from twenty fifteen in the Congo ready and right, and they find other quotes from the day. Describing Beethoven, for instance, quote wide thick lipped mouth short thick knows: proudly arched, forehead quote, nay, groin traits dark skin flat thick knows quote his face reveals no trace of the German. He was so dark that people dubbed him the span goal
dark skinned. They call him. The spaniard quote: coal. Black hair stood straight up on his head, quote, is somewhat flat. Broad knows, and rather wide mouth is small piercing eyes and swarthy dark complexion pockmarked into the bargain, gave him a strong resemblance to a mulatto quote. Complexion was brownish, his hair was thick black, very bristly, quote short stocky broad shoulders. Short necked round knows blackish brown complexion. It goes on
clearly mean right and so in two thousand fifteen. I read this article that basically says yeah Beethoven was black, but he took pains to appear lighter than he really was, and that's what I thought well wait a minute who was the king of pop in seventeen. Ninety, for all intents and purposes it was living Van painter and who is the king of pop in in two thousand and five. Will that be Michael Jackson? So then, the quest
becomes over a couple of hundred years. What do these two really have in common- and I thought maybe the thing I wanted to lean into Most- was the idea that both tried to change their appearance, because that really rhymed with a lot of what is going on today and pop culture, but ultimately it was the dad's. They got me reading an account of what Johann did to his kid. At eight years of age, the the beatings chuck he'd locked him in a basement fur, sometimes a day at a time. If you screwed up his lessons, if he made a mistake on the piano, we'd be Timmy Boxes years he's I mean really really awful stuff and you read the accounts of growing up Jackson. It's not
It's not that bad, but it's bad its physical. You know they all talk about getting whipped and beaten regularly. You note not for not mining their manners, not for being disrespectful to their elders at four screwing up the music right use group, the music and both Joseph Jackson and Johan Van Beethoven would beat the hell. Are you now? Both of those men probably would argue that they, their sons, wouldn't be the artists that they became if they hadn't done, that who knows, but even if you're right, it's not not a fair trade at all. No, no, but Similarly, in the end its you, these two men, Jackson and Beethoven, had such immense talent that it's difficult to articulate and yet they both took extraordinary steps to change.
Their appearances and essentially try and become somebody they weren't and they were each blessed cursed with two dads who were just world class pricks, no matter how you slice it and so there's the story and there's the position and position and that's why I wrote it, why is it? Do you think that that people go to such extremes to change their appearance? You know I mean I think, of Rachel Dolezal. really you wanna go there now now I don't I don't I just I just thought of her and I thought I'd say her name, but I don't want to go there. Well, since you invoked it and look, I mean no disrespect to anyone, but it's it's a really big question, because
the answer is: who knows? On the one hand, it's nobody's business, you know if you want to have a face, lift if you want to get new eyelids. If you want to get new hair well, then you're changing your appearance, which is one click away from changing your identity. You know, why are you doing that? I don't know. Maybe you just feel like it. You know Joan Rivers would take. You're quite candidly, that still remember. She certainly, I think, you're right about this unity. Oh yeah, I know I know what you get is why one
face. Lift I'm gonna have a go tee, so you know people change their image. There appears their identity, for any number of reasons could be self esteem. Personally, I think with Rachel. What's your name, I I think she was slipping into the m which call the draft you know of was a cultural procreation. I think I think she changed personally, because there was an upside down. perceived as black when she wanted to be seen that way. Beethoven there was a downside to being seen as too dark. You know for him lives Warren High, cheek bones right, you know: did she accentuate her ethnicity by applying make up to accentuate her cheek bones and thereby appear more native American
I don't know some people say she did. What do I mean really say that I don't know I've come out here without a net, but look we don't even have to go back that far. What's what sort of Malaria Baldwin allergies, she just got crucified year because she likes to talk and spanish accent and would once people to think she was born somewhere where she she wasn't born, and you know she became a huge target and I'd I'd. I felt kind of sorry. For me, people were brutal tour, but it just goes to show. I think that in this day and age, more so than any other authenticity is for sale and if you, if you suddenly appear too something something other than what people think claimed to to be going to eat, eat a lot yeah. That's true, I mean it still happens to me. People look at dirty jobs and they figure.
No a handyman, and then they hear a story about how I sang in the opera and there like wait a minute, and then you mentioned that you don't know which ended the hammer to pick up right. So you know I I think The story itself is is interesting because it draw some some good parallels, but I think it's worth talking about because underneath it you know the good ones. Anyway, I have some kind of residence with what's going on today and you know maybe it's a bridge too far to start comparing Rachel. What's your name and lose Warren and Malaria Baldwin totally tov until I'm rich too, but dont do it, but get out now that I think about ivy. Look the difference between Joan Rivers. She talked about her plastic surgery. In ways that were complete.
She was proud of it right and that made her more authentic. So nobody really gave her a lot of crap for it now. Michael Jackson, didn't hide the fact that he was going under the knife. Several times a year. It only got a little squarely when it came to the controversy around the skin color. How much of that was he doing on purpose and he denied doing anything yeah national right, and so it's it's not. We ve got eyes. Michael. We got eyes You know how do you, how do you? How do you claim that nothing has happened? No, no! I just suddenly my nose got skinny and my my skin got. I don't is that that, you were singing something earlier that I didn't even recognize. Yeah Mama say Mama, Sama, Pisa
I don't even know that monitor either Sama Pooh some Mama's aim on the solemn up. Who can we too? Can we do that is safer use? I don't even know what its from its from I think it's on the thriller album. I had the thriller album, which is why I think I know I mean I remember that getting that album and thinking wow. This is amazing. You know what speaking of music and ethnicity. I read something else that I thought was interesting about. Baits of and again this is a bridge too far. I'm generalizing, please don't
No, no, I gotta know, but but but it's interesting because Mozart and everybody who preceded him really in the western sort of beat you know the white beat is, is usually one in three right, so you got for beats in a bar and it goes one and two and three and four and one and two and three and four and that's white. You know white white, I ll European,
yeah, ok, right western white me, like you and I as white guys. You know it's sort of the you know. What is it the over by the bad dancing? You know you're on the be right, it's one and two and three and four, but Beethoven's Beethoven was war, one and two and three and four and one and two, but a lot of his music is on the offbeat, beat it syncopation more and that in a general way, is more analogous to black music than white music, this, according to UN, that so that the whole I want to find out. If you like you just making this up man it now his name is suit. Is Suchet Tom Suchet or sushi its it true that in his music, the sky rights, who is noted Beethoven expert that Bates
when I rhythm and dynamics, was new to western music. Emphasis was often put on the offbeat, for instance, for instance, on beats to enforce a bar as opposed to the more normal one and three. So it's not just me, Charles one, two and three four and two three four. I can't even do it. I don't care about that. That's why that's? How white White goes one and two and three and four and one and two it's like a march, but the more sink appears one and two and three and four you with me. I don't know I'd have to hear some song side by side. I'd like to get away from this topic as quickly as possible. Can we move on to the grout of this particular chapter and one of the things that comes up in it? That is repeated a lot throughout your book and throughout your life, are the correctors. Now you point out how Livingston's delivery is he's like the perfect corrector
because there's no judgment here, he could have easily got that's Mozart's rats what I re done right sure my Mozart, that's So when you fool that you know, and he just does it, he just gently corrects without any judgement at all. If I love the meter just- and I didn't even think about when I was watching that seen because when I first saw bands band of brothers, I wasn't I wasn't even on Facebook right, I was rather than dealing with the dynamic of you? No six million of your friends are also six million people standing by two gently. Let you know if that participle is dangling or if that infinitist was split, or it is not just grammatically errors any
anything today. Any single thing that we witness that is out of sync is something that we have somehow gotten permission to correct and and now we have the means to do it right. It's and look that I make a big deal of it, not because I am particularly sensitive to it, but because it is cancel cultures, little baby
you're right, it's the hang, the rose and a council culture. The need fix. I ought to have an altogether because then it begs the question: what do you do with all these people who were wrong about filling the blank, so there's RON Livingston his character? Lieutenant Nixon right, yes, was next young well educated, went to school, he's an officer and now standing next to this enlisted kid who you know doesn't have the benefit of that education. That is certainly never took any music appreciation class but here's, beautiful, music and just assumes. Well, it's gotta be proud to be Mozart, yeah, that's the legal name. I know you there come to and he's probably proud of, knowing that he took a shot. He took a shot. He wasn't trying to Lord.
Over anybody. He just maybe wanted to share it with his commanding officer to let him know that he wasn't a complete more on unity, that he knew some things and yeah Livingston correction, gently matter of factly without an ounce of ranker or self righteousness, and just let him know- and us that's Beethoven, and there is no other soundtrack that ought to be playing in the midst of this level of heart ache on destruction right then opus, one hundred and thirty, one from the quartet c, sharp minor now before we move onto the and the other correctors I just wanna. Let everybody know that I can confirm that Livingston story at cats who ya we we actually writer, their add cats who yeah and we were getting ready to leave and his party was too and you were like, I think, that's the guy from office.
What is his name, and I dont remember if we looked it up or anything, but I think you recalled you, you remembered his name You said I gotta say somethin you wherever there, which it, which was really Attica I've never seen you do that before I've. Never to this day I have never approached they won with any level of fame. Did I mean uh I've? innocent people in public and the I I would ever do is not just say thanks right right, well what I loved her afterwards, he when, when you use you just kind of walked by me, We went out outside you know, because we were leaving when you, when you stop to do that, and I said Do you know who you are and you were like? I don't think so, but he was nice. He was nice and dirty jobs had been on the air, maybe a couple years at that point you know, and so I I don't assume that he did. I mean it would have been amazing had
I said you know it need is a little Mozart. He too said that's beta. It would admit of amazing if he just Ceta now get ready to get there. But now he didn't do that now now near whose CNN idea slashing so on but I'll tell you something chuck I'll tell you something I bet he knows now. Yeah Does your listening give us a ring? well, have you we should have you on this episode, not honestly that's what this pot that would have been great yeah. You know it started last week when my mom was on yeah. Like oh, you know this. Is we love like you're having these great conversations with Chuck but you're mm yeah right now I mean books out. No, no, even I said that I was like that was a really great episode with your mom. I mean your mom is terrific and I love her and I'm sure you do as well and America does she's America's mom, but America's grandmother at this point guess that's true. I gotta be eighty
three next week January, twenty eighth, when I was going to say, was after listening to her. I got a bunch of letters work. You know, posts from peoples are saying you know it would have been great if you could have had MEL Brooks instead. Up like well yeah, I mean you know, I guess and now I'm thinking hey, you know to have RON Livingston on the line. Right now would be kind of interesting, and maybe we could do that, but I'm not sure the podcast is, I'm not sure people really care deeply enough chuck. Well, you know what we'll find out I'll start reaching out to some people. Let's will see how we can get. I have a feeling, it's gonna, be just your mom
but I mean we park. He would have been a good one for this one bar you we gotTA had barkie on here I mean, maybe we could add, Barkie he's really busy. I know he's gotta go on. He does yeah a day of people always at. What's at what you're old produce rub too he's been Workin with Steve Austin over at the? U S, I believe it's don't called Steve asked and Stone Cold, Steve Austin. Yes, wasn't Steve Austin! Also the six million dollar man was he, Steve Austin. I was his name, a man barely alive. We have the technology better master liaison lays need Austin dogs million dollar me why? I never made that connection before you go. That's what this Bob guesses about, Chuck, surprising connections for people who might otherwise not give a damn? No that's what for
had that's. What does six degrees is why why don't get four degrees? That's what six degrees is about MIKE by the way I dont know. If you ve looked at the most recent post, that little out take a view as Nixon ply. Absolutely love at the reviews are coming in a hand. Yes, yes, were delighted. I didn't get it. I did get a few. A few or shouts people reached out to make us seen it on Instagram. So, to sum up, we're hoping we don't get sued as a result of using a little Beethoven, a band of brothers at the top. I think we're, I think, we're in good shape, we're hoping I don't get too much pushback for making sweeping generalizations about the sounds and the rhythms most often associated with black versus white music. I meant no disrespect to Rachel, what's her name or Liz Warren or Hilaria, Baldwin or Michael Jackson, or Joan Rivers or Ludwig Van Beethoven, or anybody who ever did anything to alter their appearance in any way, shape or form, and I
fact as as as you and I are having this conversation chalk, it occurs to me that this is the anniversary of Martin Luther kings. Birth was hidden worn on this day. It's Martin Luther King Day. I dont know if it was his. Is it his birthday to be favoured several check their hats? It's a you know. It's a holiday and the important know what we're commemorating the occasion of his book I think it's more. The did the totality of his life yet January fifteenth was his date of birth, good good, but but today the eighteenth, so in real dwell in real time. Nano today, What is today today, Martin Luther King, by EVA today Correct, but his birthday was, I guess, Friday, friends. Do you see what I mean by that reactors happens is simply trying to make a simple but simple. Innovation, pass out workin out and Chuck just can't, let me get to it when I was gone.
To conclude this clearly improvisational rob with, is Is a modest observation that rather agonising over the color of Ludvig Van Beethoven and its van by the way, not Vaughan. People confuse the time. I was just about to correct you with absolutely. No I'm sure he work. No, it's it's Van Beethoven. He was flemish the Netherlands easy rather than just beef, so focused on on on the color. I mean Jesus. What what's happening to this country chuck, I mean kings. Whole point was the content of the character, not the color of the skin, and it seems like we're just more focus today on skin color than ever
four. But having said that, we should be focused more on composers and geniuses. Like George Bridge Tower, have you ever heard of George Bridge Tower now? Maybe the greatest black violin virtuoso in Beethoven's time to whom the composer dedicated his Kreutzer Sonata before retracting the dedication doodle falling out between the pair but George Bridge Tower and amazing violin. Virtually no one today has heard of listen to some of his compositions. Do it right now, you can find them on Youtube. Your heart will break a talented man, no matter what shade or Hugh he might have been final thoughts chap yes, the file thought is that we ve listened to chapter six of the book. The way I heard it by my crowd,
we're releasing one chapter a week of the audio version, but you can get the entire audio version. If you dont want to wait where we're fine books are sold and its also in printing coming out of paper back soon hashtag, just saying that's a technically that would be the third commercial in this, and this pod cast. We ve talked for over thirty minutes. My feeling is a fifty minute. Podcast, all things considered is probably a reasonable amount of time to inflict three crass commercial messages on an otherwise unsuspecting crowd. So if you got a problem with that to you can direct your unhappiness to me over one, my facebook page, and please tell us whatever we got wrong. Please do. God knows I enjoy it, thanks everybody for listening, we'll be back next week with more of whatever. This is
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