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NYC’s not-so-sudden migrant surge

2023-09-27

Earlier this month, New York City Mayor Eric Adams said the current migrant crisis would “destroy the city.” Since April 2022, more than 115,000 migrants have arrived in New York City, many fleeing hardship from their home countries. In response, the Biden administration granted Temporary Protected Status to Venezuelan migrants. But while the move may provide some immediate relief to migrants seeking work authorization, some experts worry that it won’t fix the root of the problem: the broken US immigration system. 

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then one by one, my other aunts and uncles, grandparents and parents Made their way to the united states and settled down. In brooklyn. During this time they fled the dictatorships of haitian there's fuss, why duvalier and his son, jean claude duvalier, their entry back? Then wasn't without hiccups or the fears around relocating your life. Ten new countries, immigration is always been fraud, but migrants today are facing a new set of challenges: Never in my life I had a problem. That I do not see and ended too. I don't you into this. I don't see a hindu entities. This is you will destroy new york city. That's me, Eric Adam speaking about the influx of asylum seekers to the city. At a town hall earlier this month since April, twenty twenty two,
more than a hundred and fifteen thousand migrants have arrived in new york city, many of whom are asylum from political and economic hardships in their home countries. like my family, the city I said it is running out of space and is on track The spent twelve billion dollars over the next three fiscal years. The circumstances make clear the: u s. Immigration system is broken country desperately needs immigration reform as humanitarian emergencies from wars to dictatorships. The climate change through invulnerable relations. Emigration courts are slammed immigrants of only narrow path to becoming permanent citizens. Still some advocates warned. This is not a crisis. though adamses language might suggest that it is. The city has now successfully absorbing migrants in upsets the earliest days that country alone, that's juliet juliet an associate director
of the. U s: immigration policy programme at the migration policy and to wish you studies the implications of local state and federal immigration, We know that overall emigrants integrate into united states stacy upward mobility over time, their kids do even better than they do and vision has been such a source of strength. Bernhard said he critics believed that there are clear steps. Lawmakers can take to alleviate the burden on the city. They could exploit work. Authorization for asylum seekers provide a housing vouchers and better connect migrants with legal counsel in response to desperate pleas for from atoms and other democrats, the Biden. Administration announced that nearly half a million venezuelan asylum seekers are eligible for temporary, protected status or tps
a designation that would allow them to live and work in the? U s for eighteen months, without the threat of deportation today on the weeds we dive into the migrant influx in new york city. I understand why this happening and how expedited work authorization could change a lot for the city and for migrants themselves, but first What is it about new york city where the of living, is so high and afforded housing, a scan that has drawn so many migrants and to begin there's julia again. I think it's a combination of factors in a week, and see that governor our avenant taxes was sending buses of migrants to new york city as a political statement, We also know that a lot of migrants do have ties in new york city, and they may have friends are family or neighbours that their joining in new york, city and new york city also has a dinner
dr migrants, have seen it movies, then on tv shows, and they know that it's you know a city of opportunity where a lot of immigrants have gone before, and so they may just choose to go there. For that reason, spread in new york city also, something called a right to shelter, a unique mandate requires the city to shelter anyone in need under increasing pressure. mayor Adams recently issued a sixty day limit on shelter stays for adult migrants without children, a move that some experts say could put more migrants on the street. It's also an attempt to deter other asylum seekers who might want to travel to the city. I asked Julia where this wave of migrants is coming from. We ve seen an enormous displacement of migrants from
venezuela, since that country has had socialist leadership, and the economy has tanked and people are facing political repression and extreme poverty and hunger and Venezuela there's been a huge push people out of their country. Many of those migrants have stayed and south I called columbia, is hosting millions of venezuelans and other countries, The region are as well, but many venezuelans have also come to united states and particularly since the cover nineteen pandemic, some of the economies in south america have really been struggling and venezuelans. There I've had difficulty is getting by, whereas the? U s economy, has recovered, really strongly and has been really hungry for workers. Then you not providing opportunities for new migrants that arrive, Haiti is facing its own set of really difficult
dickens right now there is tremendous gang violence. The government isn't really functioning right now in many, many people learn eating testily. First safety there were also haitians who are living. In south america as well, who had laughed and earlier waves, but again because of that I'm a challenge as decided to make a second move and come north towards the united states and the way it's being framed. It feels like this is an unprecedented moment that this money people have never come to new york city in such large numbers. Is that actually the case from your analysis That's a good question, and I don't know I guess I haven't seen him- first to know, if that's true, but I would just have to imagine that in the areas island days there were more immigrants. coming to new york city and it was the gay- ways, the united states for,
of the world, particularly for europe, and there were just huge numbers of migrants who are coming maurice Thirdly, we have seen periods of high numbers of arrivals in the late nineteenth nineties in the early two, thousands of people were entering the: u s without authorization at that time. More were staying kind of in the south west of the union, states, rather than making their way further north. So I think we might need to work to a further back history, this kind of a comparable period, but I dont know that this is so off track. It's a kind of more recent years. We know a lot of of americans have been coming and they may not be settling right in manhattan. By may have been going into community, isn't long island, then I'll stated I get a new jersey, so I think that kind of new york region has been seeing a lot of money. Friends for a while, it does seem like
there are a lot of migrants coming, who don't have ties the united states and they don't have someone who's couch they could crash on or who they can turn to that helps them in their early months when they are trying to figure out their way in the united states, and so they are turning to the government instead write and I I feel like there have been reports lately of you- know: police officers, up to homes where there are like two dozen migrants living in a house and in response to that Adams is calling on the federal government and also the state government to help with moving and relocating migrants, whether its update or to other states and regions. Do we have precedent for like other other moments in europe. history. One government has an effort to relocate migrants
in a way that doesn't seem as cruel? As you know, Abbott or dissent is flying them up, north or or busing them up north. I dunno. If we've seen this kind of conflict between cities and between states of trying to move migrants. Round what we have seen in a much more orderly and coordinated way is that when refugees, these are arriving in the united states. The refugees are already green further need for protection, and they arrive with status. There's an orderly system where non profit organisations and by governments and community is taught and they decide where refugees who don't have? U s times should be place, and there is an effort to locate refugees and city is where The cost of living is into high, where there are social service providers that can help them, whether Maybe you know other people from their countries that have already settled and could maybe assistance, or there is kind of a thoughtful process for locating refugees around the united
states for other migrants who shop on their own. It's always bad up to them to decide where the subtle and the united states. That was many migrants coming, who don't have strong ties and sort of our shopping and figuring out where to go those other migrants. Might be open to taking a bus that a city is prevent, Furthermore, a state as funding and they merit not be open to relocating once they had kind of find the initial sitting in the saddle and to so adamses. Waste blame on a number of factors, mostly pointing fingers at the bite it administration and the lack of comprehensive immigration or form from congress, but he's also so that trump administration policies, climate change, overwhelmed immigration, courts and the narrow path that immigrants face to becoming permanent residents are all factors that are forcing cities to bear the load of supporting migrants as they try to
dabbling themselves here. So from your perspective, haven't you ring those factors like? Is there their truth to the fact that there are a lot of different areas that can be doing more. To help alleviate this pressure on cities, there are a lot of contributing factors, and it all comes down to the fact that our immigration system is broken, but it's broken in all kinds of ways. It's broken because we have an update, our immigration laws. Since nineteen ninety, There are a lot of those employers who want to hire immigrant workers in their desperate for workers. There are a lot of migrants who want to come and work in the united states and our laws. Don't facilitate those connections and those pathways for people who don't have a college degree and dont have a close family member in the united states, there almost no pathways for them to come and live in the united states and so coming without off relations is their best option. We also haven't really been focusing our refugee resettlement on the western hemisphere. We
We have been met a lot of refugees from further abroad from african countries from Syria prior to the trump administration from european countries, and that we haven't really focused on resettling refugees from the regions. That are a lot of people who are fleeing situations, violence and persecution, but they don't have access to the refugee resettlement system, so they combine their own as asylum seekers. We also know that our immigration courts are severely backlogged with millions of cases that people are waiting years and years to have their cases resolved. That sends the message that if you come
The united states will be let in because you are let in four years while you wait for your immigration court day and that sounds kind of a misperception about how open the united states is. Ten new migrants, so there is certainly a lot of ways that our system has broken that are contributing to the high numbers of people coming without visas. To the? U S, mexico border and what about the effective it on other people write like a sea led a talk in front of the the what hotel that serving as an intake. or for newly arrived migrants, and she was just interrupted by a bunch of protesters, threw a chance to close. The border. Closed the border and it seemed like these people were ready to fight and- and I'm not sure how much of this is some kind of a controlled way that people are trying to justice and make it seem bigger than it does. But there was another protests staten island. With about four hundred residents, who came out to protest, a shelter
like zoning worry that this could lead to violence against migrants and emigrants in new york city thinks are our getting really What I'm saying I think in new york city and there's such pressure between the service providers that are struggling to meet migrants needs and that migrants that are struggling to figure out how to make their way in the united states and then all the people. Venus really must be a process, and then later on that national politics, you know it's been a successful strategy for republicans too Hammer the bad administration on their failures and immigration, and, if the more local level for politicians to run on immigration issues then and try to put aside this, I think that that free being
happens at the national level and in the news in the media. Can you no kind of amplify whatever is happening locally and change? How people interpret it? It's really been a success, I think, of governor abbots. He wanted to bus migrants to cities that had label themselves sanctuary cities to give them a sense of what border communities are facing challenges. You know that arise when migrants arrived without planning and present needs for basic services, and new york city has played right into bad. You know they ve really struggled to meet these needs of their job. in taxes and criticising abided administration and talking about the challenges of arriving migraines then emphasising the negative impacts of immigration. So I think that's really and beyond governor others. While the streams, probably of what has birthing, could do- and
and kind of how that could change the rhetoric. So that's what's happening in new york city up next, how the current got the relation process may be worsening the crisis. Support for this show comes from give while there are a lot of non profit organisations out their moral. one point: five million in the? U s alone, when you're, making a donation, you might want to know that your gift, no matter size, will have a meaningful impact give might be able to help. Give you some peace of mind. Give one has spent more than fifteen years researching charitable organizations and recommend what they identify as the highest impact opportunities over one hundred thousand donors. Have you give well to donate more than one billion dollars and according to give well their evidence? ask that these donations could save over one hundred and fifty thousand lives and improve the lives of millions more if you ve never donated to give well before
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when trillion dollar companies and investors are calling the shots and people come first in one episode of ira you'll, hear the stories of people pushing back against companies that hired millions of quote, unquote, invisible work is sometimes for as little as two dollars an hour to review toxic disturbing content in order to keep it off. Generative ay, I like chat, jpg you'll, also hear about the people developing a. tools that our impairing their workers to make these machine learning systems work for the rest of us? You can see for mozilla our ally in your pocket player, or visit ira podcast dot, org Julia we ve talked about the number of migrants arriving in new york city and how the? U S is broken. Immigration system is not set up to allow for smooth processes. So I'd like to talk now about
one solution that lawmakers and immigration advocates, like yourself have been calling for an that's expedited work authorization. The united states is experiencing a labour shortage. Why can't migrants legally work as soon as they get here? So how quickly people can work depends on how they ve come into the united states for people who are applied internal or proceedings, and there
for asylum congress has said that they have to obey a hundred and eighty days before they can get work, authorization that was put into law so that work authorization wasn't an incentive for people to come to the? U s and file asylum applications. The idea was that the government should be able to adjudicate asylum claims with them. There was a hundred and eighty days and if it fails, then people should be able to support themselves as those asylum cases took longer, but right now it's taking four and a half years or more for asylum cases to be completed. So most asylum seekers are reaching those a hundred and eighty days there able to get work authorization and they can work in the united states for years before they get that yes or no answer on their asylum claims for people who come to the eu through humanitarian parole. So that's what's happening for cubans haitians, nicaraguans and venezuelan twelve EU sponsored that's also happening for people.
who make an appointment at a port of entry through the new act and come in? They can apply for work authorised nation right away, but it seeking the government for months to decide on those work offers asian applications and there are barriers to applying to parole, ease, have to pay for a hundred, and ten dollars took laffer work authorised nation unless they complete a really complicated fee waiver process that has to I've been on paper, and we ve heard that you know only a small share of people who have come in through appointments at a port of entry have actually applied for work. Offer addition only twenty percent have applied so far seems like people don't know about this process or their facing barriers to applying, because they have to apply throughout through a government for that's only available in english, and they may not know how to complete the process on their own. Can you expect
what humanitarian parole is. The executive branch has the right to let people en through something called humanitarian per all if there are facing an urgent humanitarian situation and on a case by case basis, the governor and decides to, let them into the united states, even though they don't have a valid visa for entry. This has been used in a lot of different ways over time. This is how we allowed in people coming the fall of saigon after the vietnam war. This is how the over seventy thousand afghans were evacuated to the united states came in this is the status being given to ukrainians that come through the uniting for ukraine program, but people with parole don't have permanent legal status in the? U s, they don't have a path to citizenship
it can stay and they can work, but there are only here on a temporary basis and, as there are specific timeline for how temporary, that is, its opinions on the specific programmes for the c h, envy pearl for the pearl for cubans haitians, nicaraguans and venezuelans at the two year grant of her, all four people are making the appointments at the port of entry. That's also by two year grant of pearl. So keep talking out this idea that some migrants are making false asylum claims. So that's been a reason why congress hasn't wanted to make changes to the laws around how long it takes for a moment to receive work authorization. I think once much more common than people making false claims is that people are fleeing some kind of dangerous situation that may not qualify them for asylum. Are asylum laws are very specific
nice persecution for very specific reasons. So if somebody is fleeing, are all violence in their community. They might have a real and urgent humanitarian need, but they may not qualify for asylum or depending on which immigration judge they face this. Their facing domestic violence are gang violence. There is sound, claims may or may not be recognised there. Maybe people who are fighting for asylum only to get work. Authorization anecdotally, I've heard of that the mouse, when someone actually doesn't know how our immigration laws work, they go to a boy The lawyer says I can get you work authorization and then what that lawyer does word notorious. Does this file for asylum, even though the person doesn't know that their fine, an asylum claim, there may be some migrants who know that they don't qualify for asylum. They just want to come and work in a file from her father as they should. But I think it's me
our common that people have a need for protection, but they may or may not actually qualify for asylum at the end of the process from a migrants. Are waiting on work. Authorization right now that I mean the comedy have already applied for work on the regulation and are are waiting for a response from the government. We know that there are one point: six million applications pending for employment offer as asia and some of those people who came across the borders. Some of those are a wide variety of other people and other kinds of circumstances that also need to apply a firmer authorised nation for people who have humanitarian per all the weight. As about four months for people who are applying
for asylum. The weight is about two months. The binding administration did say that they are going to work to expedite that work, authorization for parole ease, they set their planning to get to an average processing time of thirty days. So we'll have to see if there s able to reach that charter timeline So I want to come back to that, but I do want to hear a little bit more about the background for our work, authorization, laws and just what what was going on in ninety ninety six around that time for congress to want to create that time restriction in eighteen. Eighty six, there was kind of a general push to strike.
Immigration and forest men and also to narrow some of the pathways that we're esteem as pretty loopholes for migrants to comes the united states. There have been periods when people were filing for asylum just in order to get work authorization, and so there was a once that if there was this hundred and eighty day way, that could reduce the incentive for applications that were purely seeking work authorization rather than merely seeking asylum, and do lawmakers believed that the delay will force migrants to rethink their decisions across the border and to what you ve mentioned before it. It almost seems like we have seen that play out. I don't know for sure, but I would really question how many migrants who are coming to the fore
now that if they apply for asylum and wait a hundred eighty days, they could get work authorization. Some of that news might be travelling back apply. I think that broader message day, if you come to the border, it you may be removed, but you may be led into the united states and, if you're allowed in he'll be allowed to stay for years, while you wait for your immigration court case to proceed as a sector that is kind of a bigger message that people are receiving and head of the nitty gritty how you get work, authorization, maybe lost. You know across all of the many things that people are thinking about, as they make migration decisions, So lawmakers, including mayor Adams, sneer governor cathy, hold walls and lawmakers, and in cities like chicago in Boston, live all called on the federal government to exploit work permits and the federal government
did take. Action. Biden announced that nearly half a million venezuelan migrants who came to the? U s by July thirty first will receive temporary protected status, which will allow them the live and work legally in the united states for eighteen months. So how do you see this playing out on the ground like? Does this mean that things are going to be fixed, instant or do, venezuelans have to go through the same process that existed before, but but now there's just a change in how long they have to wait without further changes. This actually both help people get work authorised Asian any faster. I dont think, if venezuelans, for, in the u s, already half humanitarian per all or have already applied for asylum, that might be a faster pass to work authorised asian than applying for tv s
So? U s? Citizenship and immigration. Services has enormous backlogs millions and millions of various kinds of applications, and there really struggling to get through all of them So there are long delays and educating all kinds of applications, including teepee s, applications right now, they're taking twenty months to adjudicate, teepee s, applications from venezuelans, that's even before this new grant and thus more time than the tv s grant length. Teepee s is valid for eighteen months. Thirteen twenty months the government under the law could be issuing work, authorization documents to people who apply for a tv s as soon as that person has applied and that governments see is that that application looks to be valid on its face. But generally the government is waiting until they're pretty far along in processing matthew, ps application before they approve the work authorised asian, so others a two month way for workers
position once you apply for asylum seekers and there is a formal way for parole leaves, it seems like the way for a tv S. Appletons is longer maybe six or eight or twelve months, so without further changes. If not actually clear how this house it would help venezuelans or in the u s who haven't applied for asylum and down half her all now they have a clear status. They can apply, for that, won't give them work authorization, but I am very curious to see if we see further changes coming from the bite in administration. It seems like this teepee s, grant wasn't response to the governors and mayors who have been calling for it, and so they might be thinking right now about what else they can do to try to get those teepee s, applicants their work, authorise asian faster, and we. Might see other changes coming heaviest. It seems like that would be politically important to do to be responsive to those calls from local officials. Is this move?
akin to basically putting a band aid over a problem like how does this help us in the long run. I think so in a couple of ways: the delays and processing applications of any kind. This is a huge challenge for the government of the huge challenge for immigration car. It's a huge challenge for you, a citizenship and immigration services. They need vastly more resources to be able to get through. There wear clothes. They also probably need to find much more efficient ways of operating to get through their were, and ass all has really big implications for immigration because they create these think backlogs that sand mixed messages, to migrants about what's available in the united states and also delays people's ability to work. The tv s isn't going to address the fact that many migrants are coming to the: u s: mexico border, without legal status in the united states,
There are such enormous push factors in the region right now and we have a really strong economy, and all of that is leading a lot of people to kong and whether or not there's tps whether or not work authorization comes in two months or four months or twelve months. You know, I don't think it's really going to change what's happening at the border and the fact that many migrants are showing up to the united states and needing assistance. So I'm curious about who's falling through the cracks here when we have Biden, you know giving
that is wailings teepee S than we have folks who are coming in through humanitarian parole like who are the people who are not receiving that opportunity? They get expedited employment authorization. Some of the people who have come across the border in recent years may have access to cheap, yes and others. Many others will not. Some migrants are getting parole through various channels and others are not. There is also no long term resident on terrorist immigrant population of the united states. We have an estimated around eleven million unauthorized immigrants in the u s. Most of them have been here for a ten year
are more and most of those folks don't have any access to legal status and they likely are unable to apply for asylum at this point because there is a one year filing deadline, they don't have access to any of these new parole programmes. Some of them have access to cheap. Yes through really old tv, as does the commission's, but most of them don't, and they don't have the right to work in the united states. They do face that threat of deportation and most of them have no way to get in line four any kind of legal status in the united states. So can comment on how the local economy stands to gain or maybe even be hurt by migrants working legally sooner
we know that a lot of migrants do work without work authorization, but those jobs tend to be low, paying jobs and, in others, the a high risk of exploitation. When someone doesn't have work, authorization we hear about, migrants were being paid, belong among waited shoe, have their wages stolen, who face other challenges by migrants, have recovered his. They can earn more money if their arrival in the? U s with skills and credentials, they can make use of those without work, authorise haitian people are generally working and restaurants are in construction or cleaning. Buildings are other kind of entry level jobs if they have work authorised they shine, and they have skills that they can transfer its united states. They can find their way into professional jobs. and even without professional skills, they can earn higher wages that all benefits,
the government in the sense that migrants are generally paying taxes, whether or not they have work authorization, their generally paying taxes, but when they earn more, they can pay higher taxes and contribute more there, also just able to support themselves better and less likely to have to rely on the government for support. For the past fifteen years, congress hasn't been able to agree on how to update the country's immigration laws.
we have seen some movement, but with violence. Recent announcement allowing venezuelans get temporary protection status, but do you think that something will change soon as result of what's happening in new york city? Unfortunately, the safe money is always on congress being unable to tackle immigration. Worthing congress, you know struggle to even pass the budget, much less tackle, contentious issues like immigration and there is not brought agreement on what the solutions are sound and would like to close the border, which you know it's not possible under current laws. Some would like to offer a half a legal status for unauthorized emigrants, some like to really restrict our asylum system and we're just seeing that the two sides are so far apart on these issues that it's really difficult to agree on an even really narrow reforms to immigration, so
of congresses. Inaction is based on Siena phobia. It seems like lawmakers on both sides of the isle, fair, that reducing wait times for work permits will encourage more migrants to cross the border legally. What do you think about that fear? And in this their veto phobia in that? I think politics. There are alot of arguments that are framed around a fear of cultural change by their not that xenophobia, you know, a lot of the opposition to migration seems not so much based on fact but rather a feeling that immigration is changing our country and changing the opportunities available to. U s, point people the reasons that people are leaving their homes and their reasons at their choosing, the united states
it. A destination are so overwhelming that whether or not migrants can work quickly are work after a long wait is probably a pretty small factor in decision making, and I guess folks who are sceptical about the value of immigration or think that immigration presents threats to our way of life might be seizing on work, authorization or other aspects of immigration, just as a way to oppose immigration at all, and we know that there are some voices that they don't even want legal migration. They may not even one highschool immigration, united states. Much less kind of a welcoming attitude are welcoming policies for people who are coming without advance. Permission is just one solution or or one change that you think congress or the the bite an administration can make to to make things easier,
cities like new york city, I'm not sure. If I have fought on wine, maybe three sir. There is great I mean one is that there should be more federal support for studies more funding this year. There is an eight hundred million dollar fine, that's available. For us. It is a non profit organisations to apply for reimbursement for services that have been provided to migrants, the future that funding is uncertain as the rest of our federal budget is uncertain, but that funding hasn't been sufficient and has been really important.
I felt that it was a second thing- is- I think there just needs to be more coordination. A lot of migrants are arriving, may be open to other destinations and they may be better able to get by in places where the cost of living is lower. Many people will want to go where they know someone or where they have a community that they can join, but for people who are open to other locations, there probably should be more coordination to help people into places where they could be successful in where the community can support them. And then third congress needs to update our immigration laws if we could create a work pathway for employers to sponsor workers across the skill spectrum, where we really need workers, then that would creatively go avenue for people to come with work authorization with legal status with an employer ready to hire them and they would be set up for success in the country and that could take the pressure off of the border Julia. Thank you so much for the time today
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You chicago cargo, don, slash nap, that's in a phd, it's the weeds, I'm fabulous serious sitting in four junk on health, new york and other big cities are dealing with an influx of migrants. they can be hard to understand something like this from a bird's eye view. So, let's zoom in on someone who knows this issue first hand. My name is catalyst alaska. I'm the managing director of immigration practice at the bronx offenders. I just want to talk about how you help migrants in immigrants check their eligibility for work authorization. What does that look like and where to even start? So the first thing that it's important to highlight
is that there is no way to obtain work authorization as a stand alone benefit. You can only get work. Authorization is eligible to some for most relief or have received some type of permission to be in the united states. Only then you can file an employment authorization application. So, while we're first in tribute it's a deep dive into the person's, family, history, immigration, history, physical, mental health, history of themselves, their family members, any contact with any other systems. All of that informs our determination of whether that person may be eligible for some relief and then that determines when and whether they are illegal
to apply for an inflammatory station. I have you found that migrants are aware of the. U s is work authorization process, or maybe some of them know that they can get work authorization, but don't necessarily how to go about seeking it, some people, are aware, and they don't know how to do it themselves or they don't have the language skills to do it because they don't the english come fill out. The forms there was also an indication assigning the communication issued by the department of homeland security that they believe that many people who have been granted parole are now aware that aren't there eligible for unemployment authorization document, I'm not sure, that's exactly what's happening it. It might be true that some people are unaware, but the problem there is that people are granted parole. Perhaps for a year or so they're only
ball for employment authorization for that year, the duration of pearl, and in our experience it has been very hesitant to renew that pearl and employment. Other essay shan applications can take a year to be duplicated. by the time that we made people that may be eligible based on pearl. Their pearl is about to expire and they won't even have timed found application and have it a duty adjudicated how the card issued to them and be able to use it so now the issue really if people knowing as much as it is the system not being meaningful and provide ample opportunity to apply for franklin authorization document it. So I went back up a little bit too just kind of understand how work authorizations happened, where it goes with
the governor whole goal? We ve heard mayor Adams, basically bag the federal government to expedite work authorization Biden, bonnet and said. Venezuelans will get temporary protected status in order to expedite work authorization. So can you talk a little bit about the one hundred and eighty days is that from one there seeking asylum who does not apply to and is it actually just a hundred and eighty days in a lot of cases there, and every day is a moment in which asylum applicants are eligible for unemployment, the relation at about two hundred and fifty days they can submit application and get the process started, but that in a shop location takes about a month for asylum seekers, sometimes a little bit longer than you have tp s temporary, protected status. For folks in that category its take gang, I will say over a year or sometimes two years, for the employment,
station document to be approved an issue, and sometimes we have some clients who was employment. Regulation expired while they have another one that I renewal pending it just like. They have like successive applications pending because and keep expiry and how do they even keep track of this, and is that basically, your role to help them stay on top of this and keep track of these various applications for the people we represent. We keep track and we advise them when they have to come back for it. Read the wall. Renewals are much slower. Danish obligations The turn around is quite quick, but then they renew all that could take another year. There is an automatic extension of that if indeed they filing a timely way, but you can imagine Life can get under way of people. Sometimes people are not that gives their number presented by council that my miss eyre. They may not find anyone to help them and when people lose
they have when they have employment implementation than they lose it because it expired and they were unable to reach on time, make the usually lost their job say it's a very difficult situation, so I dont think here about what it's like for you and your organization to basically work with migrants through this process. What kind of roadblocks deal all ten run into when you're trying to help migrants apply for authorization. Many people are having a hard time obtaining government issued ideas to be able to include them, and get a copy of them in their work authorization. That's a requirement. You can, Imagine when people have trevor as to how the continent binge A full from the border, sometimes against them There will in buses and then put through a very complex asylum system,
keeps getting them out having them remember all a lot of documents get lost and we ve experienced an issue in city. Rested centres word before our living temporarily, where they want. provide people like certification of address, so they can even get like a city id for their applications, and that is posing some some difficulties. Additionally, for people who are renewing their application, there is a four hundred and ten dollars filing fee for people who are renewing it. Some asylum or people are submitted initial obligation on other basis days out pretty happy filing fee and sometimes very difficult to obtain the documentation to wave that filing fee or to of course gathered the money when you are not able to work or like art anyway, living in very precarious circumstances,
I would love to hear more about what other parts of the application like what? What kind of what does the application look like? What are they expected to? What also they expected to complete as part of the application delegation is quite simple. If you're in training- and you understand english is desirable, legal information. Some questions about the type of application that forms the basis for they employ our east asian, so their applying because aid. Google for asylum on we're because they have been granted cps parole, that type of information, and that you have to have also admit that and is not a lengthy obligation, but its very confusing. If you're, not an expert in immigration law says there are part of the work authorization process that people aren't talking about enough. So maybe it's something that you have to do for clients that people are aware of or or something that they experience as they,
or maybe even after they get authorized. I think the fact that the waves are pretty extends over something that is not well understood. and also that there is now wait just five obligation that it is not like go to the post office and get your and plain authorization you need to have, If the basis on the law is very stacked against immigrants, a lot of them will lose their eligibility for their employment authorisation as their case progresses on. Sometimes, we've had clients who get stuck in a process where they lost their eligibility for employment authorization, but their case is still on appeals. so they have to go back to living in the united states without employment authorization
is not very linear another aspect that is now being considered if people live in shelter as on so many of the shelter are forcing people to leave after sixty days and then come back. These are really high arrest of people's documents being lost in the mail and that to me very concerned, People are not guy receive their document. If we represent them, we usually ask for the document to come to our office. If that's ok with our clients, but a lot of people are going to be served by models are not full representation but they're not connected remember to address some be bored. I feel like you're going to lose her the card, even de disconnected from their residence there, that wind desdemona filing them. They might lose a cart. see much earlier- that there might not be an immediate impact of further burdens announcement that they would expand gps, but what about lunch
impacts like do. You still think in the long run that this is a solution to the problem, or will it be just more of a temporary band aid for it, very bandaid, eight september, everybody that, sadly, will likely as a temporary measure as a stopgap without a replacement? That's what we ve seen with many other countries that have been granted. CBS, and then there hasn't been a meaningful movement to allow people to obtain more secure status. and people are very vulnerable and daring, tpa status? They mean that administration that is in power, decides to reducing native country every number of years, and that is very subject to political, To my on changes in administration and is very if a very precarious
is this not a permanent solution is, I think, a great start, but there needs to be a more comprehensive way of looking at people on, and people's cases on it in and the laundress many things I can change that wool expand our interpretation of who's eligible for asylum, for example, and the way that our immigration agencies have interpreted it in an incredibly narrow way. That doesn't need to be that the case and that there's a need. Action from congress to change and many other things at this administration has discretion to improve in order to expand benefit some in order to provide avenues for people to access a more secure immigration
and eventually, citizenship. I'm glad you said that cause. That's my next question like what would you like to see in terms of support from federal city governments governments cycle. What are those avenues of things that they can open to support migrants to becoming us citizens more quickly or at all But I will say is that I would like to see a system that values people equally an values, people right to free movement and to belong in the communities and with their families, and it doesnt punish people because they came here seeking protection or because they came here for financial reasons or because they after being here were please answer veiled in a way that resulted in criminal convictions and now there are ineligible for certain benefits. I would like an approach,
values the fool humanity of our community members and allows them to remain in the united states permanently. So I have a final two bert question. What would you say to the people who are calling this moment a crisis? And what do you think folks outside of new york city, should understand about this issue? This is not a cry, since this is a moment where a lot of people are coming. We ve seen this in the past. This guy's no fun we have enough resources for everybody, and it is very difficult to see these rather of scar, city being used weapon ized against people who need support to get on their feet and while they integrated into their communities rejoin their families have been Here and you have a right to be here- there is now
harm. That comes from that, and there is no there's. No real scar is that we are a very rich city in a very rich country, wishes prioritize human dignity on our communities over over anything else freely. Carlo, thank you for being with us today. Thank you for having me. That's all for us today. Thank you to Julia, the lad and karla also Lhasa for joining me, our produce that is sophie land. Christian Iowa engineered this episode, Serena. So in fact checked it out
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