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Was The Weeds on the wrong side of history?

2019-04-26

Sarah, Ezra, and Matt celebrate Vox's fifth anniversary with a look at the changing nature of the policy dialogue in Washington.

This special episode of The Weeds was taped in front of a live audience at The LINE DC to celebrate Vox’s fifth anniversary. If you enjoyed it, we think you’ll also enjoy this live taping of Recode Decode with Kara Swisher featuring Julia Angwin, and this special episode of The Ezra Klein Show with Vox’s co-founders Ezra Klein, Matt Yglesias, and Vox Media’s Publisher Melissa Bell.

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I now think about about a little bit more than than four years ago. Right before might my son was born. I was I'm like a little vacation with with my wife, and I had to take like couple hours out to get on the phone with some people from the Obama White House, because they really wanted to brief me on their forthcoming childcare. Browser- and you know I was- I was listening to them and taking notes and asking questions, and this was it was a very. This was how politics was done at the time. The proposal was right Detailed involved spending, new money and taxing the rich to pay for it, so obvious John Vainer wasn't gonna go for it wasn't gonna happen, but none the less It was a very realistic proposal right it wasn't this like a sort of broad strokes. Here's how I feel about child care. It was meant to be modest as an initiative. It was meant to sound reasonable and I wasn't like the Elizabeth WAR. Unlike free childcare, for all his eyes, a exactly anyways, it was very was, like you know, some targeted tax credits, a little tweak here and I didn't at the time,
It's so taken for granted that this was the way you would framework policy proposal that I asked a lot of questions about the details of it about the weeds so to speak, and I and I didn't ask like look: why are you doing this slight good? What is the point- and I feel like now we're in an era of you know on the one hand, Donald Trump, on the other hand, Bernie Sanders, but from a different ideological standpoint, like Joe Biden just announced a presidential campaign and his people, The issue is, he will not praise NEO nazi marchers, which that's, I, like I dont, think people should do that, But if I wait, what what's the weeds going to be about that right and an eye like that's like we ve moved to this, this very broad, strokes, realm of doing politics and its Let me wondering like like what's changed and why? Why article? sabotage what's changed, and I think a lot of it is driven by the political climate. So you know
I think it's instructive to think about liquors Obama era, childcare policy. That was one they were pitching as if like will. Maybe this could pass it on the agenda is going to do about it. It's in like the bucket of things that were considered like realistic. Policy proposals. Now, if Elizabeth Warren coming out with childcare for buddy up page five we're gonna do with not a super clear financing plan like I think it's him it's a much more disruptive policy unit in both operating in a window where there was a clear path to becoming legislation. They Obama wine, a kind of it had more of an eye towards like something that felt implemented both the time I attributed didn't some of this kind of the changing. Politics in in Washington, where Really I kind of like look back to the Obama era and the the I think started with these overtures towards bi partisanship with unity. Your first time stimulus package, followed by the
While care ACT, were there really was a robust effort to build policies that appeal to both sides of the ILO, So you have you know the Democrats looking at appalled, he created by a you know now: Utah Senator than Massachusetts Governor Republican Mitt Romney as the basis for their healthcare plan no you fast forward to now, and I feel like it's not even a consideration, what what bring her side on board easy does? republican side with their attempts to appeal Obamacare, where it wasn't like. Well, let's come up with Americans. Display on that way. You know everyone's going to think as a good replacement for a law that you know cuz it benefits and have some flaws. There's like no- and I do this alone and then I feel that being mimicked on the on the other side, It seems to me I mean you think about polarization alive, but seems like this, like a lack of any sort of a bipartisan path is they driving the types of policies, and you see two responses:
normally see like middle of the road. Like Obama era, child tax credits used IE, like the furnace Anders Medicare for all you see the freak college plans you see. These are really ambitious, but SK ideas, and then you see candidates like Pedro Rourke pit Buddha did you're, just like my wife and bath there exist those that were like. Why even bother talking about policy like we can run a camp and without a pause. These action on our website, which, like hurts, may weeds hard, when all bad bay. It seems like on see anyone occupying that Middle Spay, it's either gopher broke. You were up side or white and bother talking about policy when things are are so stalled right now. So I grew, though, that first, just say it turns out disagree. As far as my internet, exciting of you disagree with me. It's Sarah is now and always has been wrong? just Caturia. It number one. There was no policy that could pass. I mean that that's the first thing right, so the
administration had all these bills. They had their buff attacks. I had their there well targeted child care plan and it didn't pass. It didn't pass any more than a policy times out ambitious. What a past or one half that ambitious and number one to appoint. Sarah made that pathway, which, like you, might call Susan Collins Pathway. Can you write a policy proposal that, in theory Susan cards would vote for, even if in practice she will not just got discredited so people stopped doing that The other thing, though, that I think needs there there to other factors which I think are important. One is were in an age of idiots you got a realignment, we're things that were taken for granted are no longer being taken for granted. So, for instance, is capitalism. Good is not back that was very big and the Democratic Party in two thousand and four or two thousand and eight or two thousand and twelve like should the democratic.
Candidate self identify some kind of socialist, which is. The answer is no like. Like people, like we're having a good handle on that one and that's impart a legacy of the financial crisis and the failure of that kind of capitals have in part, I think, a legacy somebody I've been thinking about more in exploring more just capitalism, also becoming an overwhelming, not just economic dimension, but like moral philosophy and everybody just be horn, poor exhausted by that, but on the right to have an ideological realignment around a what you often see in Europe, a kind of nationalistic, somewhat Zena
beg socially traditional and, in theory more economically populist. Although that's not turn out to be part of the policy agenda, but still one we're living through a time when it is unclear what a realistic policy is, because a realistic policy to two months point requires you to take this eighty illogical boundaries for granted, and this eighty logical boundaries are being redrawn, but that the Nothing I say here is part of this is a hangover of Hilary Clinton's campaign where this sense was in a lesson many Democrats took from it. Is it hillock within had all of these policies policy after policy after policy after policy, but they didn't say enough about her, and so now what people are doing is a using policies to make moral statements about themselves and the kind of society they want. A lot of these policies are not really meant to be implemented. Bernie Sanders knows
that in their current state, he's not gonna get the boats for the things he wants, but he is saying something about the kind of society he wants and the kind of attitude he will bring to the presidency. Elizabeth warrant is doing the same thing. Many policies will not be implemented as these are sectors like they know nothing basis, but she sank something about what she thinks about capitals and the attitudes will bring to the presidency. So a lot of debate that in their periods played out in other ways is playing out through the through the mechanism now of policy plans. Are you always have to some degree messaging documents, but it become that in a much and bigger way. As part of the lesson of Donald Trump, Sanders being break out stars from twenty. Sixteen when it was interesting to me about this, though, is that you know what Donald Trump Coming present, United States has been a very consequential amend for Americans, and some of that is like yes, like his tweet
see no poison the atmosphere or you know, maybe he says the wrong thing about like awful people marching. But a lot of it is like the EPA. As change the walls to make it easier to put neurotoxic into groundwater right and theirs million things like that of which very few have actually had to do with him signing big bills. That congressional Republicans pass. No, obviously that they had a big effort at affordable care act. Repeal didn't happen, but when they still had a lot of influence on health care policy, even though that build it didn't pass it and Sarah can, you know, give us chapter and verse on it. But the point is that, like who is president matter there's a lot in a lot of concrete specific way is, and I feel it
become challenging to get people engaged with how that is and why that is in this somewhat polarized, somewhat gridlocked kind of era. I watched like five back to back presidential town halls the other day and across the five hours of them. I only heard one per come on hairs in one answer: detailed, a thing that, like involve the actual use of the president's constitutional authority, tat. She was going to do and I'm not I like check for some lawyers and then add a hundred percent, that you really could do it was at least like an effort she said like. I am going to have the eighty of tat gun dealers who sell more than five guns a year that they have to do background checks, ride so cheap. She claims she has the authority to do that. That's like that was fascinating to me, but this has been very little of it. And and this not a wheel hunger for we had our colleague Castro. I did. I did alive absurdity weeds a couple months ago and he
gamely, walked ass through a bunch of stuff he had done his head secretary. You know took advantage of the fact that he had actually served in the executive branch of the federal government he'd. Like knows what kind of you can do. People have not been like that excited about his campaign. People to judge was also on the show here. He did a really good job of like ducking and bobbing. Whenever we will, I tried to now down on stop any talk about how generational change is good and my people really to that end, it bombs me out, I mean I'm for generations to age but like I would like to know how people plan to govern the country where there is an interesting split right now on the left about like how structure, their policy ideas have that there is a great moment Another vocs media podcast called today explained our illustrious how strong desire, where huge opposite on the episode in the green new deal and there is kind of a split between the two different gas that were being view that I see all across policy where you know you have some people saying: let's go for broke liquids.
The green new deal because, like let that is the thing actually want and then like the kind of like Susan CALL enzyme, you know Debbie seven Alec, let's bring together people in the middle and find something more realistic, and I think the response from like the green New deal medical. All world had become more reasonable. To me, covering pause, in the past few years of kind of saying, like we'll nothing's huh winning anyways like why not just build out ideas we are actually interested the compromise thing is not going anywhere without being realistic, seems totally unregulated is unrealistic. So why not do the thing? That's unrealistic and you know, there's a great comment from Dave Roberts Vocs report. Our kind of making this case on that episode the other thing I would be wary of. As you know, we are what how many months over eighteen months out from.
The election nine months from NEO. I thou nine months for miles around me. I say so we are, we will live in. We will live in twenty twenty for another eighteen months before it. Actually, Hence we do. I would be cars. About making any acute proclamations about like well worth We are not dealing with realistic policies. I think one of things you can expect from our primary is it start you you start with your opening bid. Rightly Bernie Sanders doesn't start with like a Medicare by at fifty Bernie Sanders starts with Medicare for all know, premiums no deductibles. Every benefit covered, you start with kind of your vision and then I think, as the Progress is, as you do more town halls as you more white papers you get into that more, granular sort of policy proposal maybe you do. Maybe you don't I no view. Well, I may I would love to if you know a sum of standards. Staff are listening. I'd love to see a financing plan at some point, four Medicare for all Enzo. Maybe we are just having this discussion very, very
early in the primary and need, if we had this podcast nine months from now, it be a different discussion. I suspect it will be different, but but Let me try to make us we different argument about this, because I think you're, seeing in some ways different, areas of change and a system that may not be able to make any change at all rights. A one stability right now. I think about this. A lot is it american politics. American governance is a problem with no answer. It's like a math problem that doesn't actually have a solution because it doesn't make sense like something is broken in the system and so kind of change people want the kinds of campaigning and governance people find inspiring and exciting does not gonna happen and like this, just is no sir, but like that's done an answer either he can't get elected on like well. This is gonna suck twenty twenty, so you have to do the different. So on the one hand, I think the theory of Bernie Sanders in that wing of the party is popular mobilization. Is you have power?
season plans that are exciting that are invigorating that are not compromised, that bring your people be that a green new deal or Medicare for all- and it is this swell of popular mobilization the changes. What is politically possible, another possibility here and I'm a little down and people to judge since he took a principled, anti policy stance that CNN Tunnel, but I use a backlash eyes. I M in part with about where the EU has been specific on this one thing, including on the weeds, podcasting Ah mine were his argument. You go in and you change the system. First you go in and you try to get rid of the filibuster use. To change the number of people on the Supreme Court. You pass a pro democracy laws.
From voting rights things to working on gerrymandering and that, instead of doing policy first, you try to fix the policy making mechanism first and from there you'll be able to it to make those arguments involved. Buttigieg you did make. So you know you got to talk Dolly's before policy, and you know, maybe you can My videos, furthermore better care of which is already set that yet he put up a thing has answered it like I have you it's only answer. No eight hours of yours was better is what s the answer he gave on the shows, I think, was actually quite a bit better and then I think they're still, what you're gonna hear from Joe Biden. What you're someone hearing from Amy Club HR, which is its not told it like the by partisan round, is not done. You still do something there. You know if you just did the work, I think the Joe Biden in his heart of hearts. He loves Barack Obama, heaping Spock Obama was great, but the criticism you heard from Joe Biden like people and world and even some people in Obama world during the Obama administration, is it. Obama doesn't like hanging out with much Mcconnell there's like this,
Famous white does correspondence dinnerware above us, as people are always enemy, YO go have a drink with much Mcconnell. Will you go, have a trick of Mitch Mcconnell alike, that was a joke with hours at a joke you- and so there's always this idea that if you know the bite in who practices is old, school transact, we'll style ago, hang out have a drink sit in the Senate, dining room, you know they may be, can rebuild but those relationships and in rebuilding those relationships get not Medicare for all done. But more done. I am sceptical like those of the three theories of change they connect to the kind of policy for seeing that the candidates be specific about Buddha, Judge about Corp Supreme Court. Stuff Bernie Sanders got Medicare for all Joe Biden and Amy closer have much now er, and is it a little bit more targeted it's? Why? Because our talks, a lot about infrastructure costs, or at least conceptually I'm republican interests there, but I think that's it we're. Having
argument, is really about theories of change through an argument about policy details which is making it confusing, but this is, I feel, like one of the big ways said that the system has gone off the rails, because when about myself like emotionally, intellectually, I feel more in line with the more Amy Clover Char, then Bernie Sanders View of actual policy make right that, like I believe in trying to make enjoyable improvements in people's lives. Overtime not like blowing up the system not like. We should all be communists or every economy should be based on Vermont Ben Breakfasts, or something the blow boring of hard boards exactly, but the more moderate Democrats, have adopted the act. The most utopian and absurd fury of political change, its right like it is Clearly, not true that if Joe Biden was
send to the United States the same people who, when he was vice president, would whispered to him. Hey Joe, like your awesome, if only you are in charge of rock Obama, these are reasonable, rather they're, not gonna sprays, Joe Biden as reasonable kind of Democrat, when he's the president sod Tromp was even just like tweeting welcoming Biden into the raise any. He called him. You know droopy or something but he also praise him what he was doing. The thing where he's like well, I give this guy can manage to win in the new Crazy Democratic Party. That could be hard, but of course, if he does win, Republicans aren't be like wow. It turns out. Democrats are super, moderate and reasonable. After all, right- and it's there is what I think has actually unglued the political system. So much is that the people who are most invested in the idea like concrete change of. Let's do an infrastructure. Chocolate minimum wage had become completely detached,
asked from like the functioning of the system. Not say to any wine hey like vote for me. You will get the half a loaf because can get anything at all from that approach and I mean I don't know what to say other than like they really gotta like some think harder about this everywhere. You look at someone like bite end like did serve in the Senate and like a different era. When, like this, what the hell, love thing work, but you look back, read a programme I don't know like I like the chip programme, which covers a bunch of low income? Kid I think, I'd like a classic by partisan. Belle, where Democrats want to cover more people, they kind of like go over. You know to their publicans. They like what kind of people do you want to cover and they say well: low income, kids sound like an area we can agree on and you have no both parties or enhance from you Tom, had Kennedy for Massachusetts. They kind of hammer out this bill. That is you don't not covering every one is using making like one small dent in this
much larger programme that we have? And it's not like that long ago, that that was happening like we have senators who are serving in that area. Joe Biden feels like very much like a throwback tat era. This time like, he like yours, he was in the White House during this era, when polarization gets terrible on Republicans aren't going to vote for any he's bells, I think, is also interesting like when we think about just you know, bite and jumping into the is today in. I was doing a bit of research on what is recorded on health care. I have not found the answer to that question, but I am still looking for it by one of the interesting There's going back and reading John alters book about the Obama presidency, the promise where he was one of the voices cautioning against ass. He felt like you knew it was not going to go forward that they're going to spend too much political capital on healthcare that he did not see the first year,
the presidency in an era when the economy was still recovering is a good moment to take on major policy, and I think that really call me a little bit about how he governs how he thinks about these issues. That is quite in contrast to a lot of the other candidates. It we're looking thanks everyone for turning into this live episode of the weeds, going to take a short break. That one can be right back. This episode, brought to you by Fender Football is back and the best bet you can make is downloading the Fender Sports bookshop. It doesn't matter if your new to gambling or an old pro phantom, has something for everyone and as an official sport spreading partner of the NFL. You know your bet, you're, safe, there's, also never been a better time to use fan do because right now, you'll get up to one thousand dollars back. If your first bet doesn't win, you can turn a small wager into a big payday with the same game, parlay that just sign up with it I'm a code Spotify to place your first bat risk free on fan. Dual sports book down
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Vulnerable see what you want is not for people to hate the policy that you were the crucial about passing. You want them to like the policy, but the moderates, you're Ben Nelson's, you Joe Lieber men's. They continuously how this view that the what they had to do was compromise down bill and because the compromise was inferior with the other party. That wasn't going to vote for the bill did not like the bill at all. The compromise was not towards their constituents and their needs. The compromise was torrid. Some conceptual idea of balance, so no public option lower subsidies, lower total cost. It would take longer to come into effect as though then you're out there trying to and it and it's not that defensible or think stimulus is actually even a better example of this where again again. You know you begin having defections later on among Democrats who could have all been I should have all been there, but they
seem to think that if there are keeping the opposite down instead of bringing unemployment down, it would help and it didn't help them they're, the ones of course, who end up losing their seats. So, on the one hand, I thought there is this wrong view that if you are a moderate, the way to get reelected is to show dependence, as opposed to ensure successful governance. People tend to re elect. The party our, including the moderates when they like how governance is going and they wipe them out when they dont like how governance is going, and so the fact that the kind of centrist wing it is often like their theory of it- is we're. Gonna make governance got worse in Let us show that were not totally on board, but this crazy leftwing agenda, we are the party of is not a viable theory of politics in a polarized age other piece of it, though, is it it's a moderate in the other party who broke it so weeping were saying here: it's not that, is a crazy idea of how politics should work. As you say, it worked during chip, you now as some alike
binding motel, your work during the eighties when they had the Greenspan Commission on Social Security and so to the extent, democratic parties moving laugh. The republican Party is moving right. There, a lot of big structural forces for all about, but to the extent that in legislation and no longer makes any sense at all to target compromise that Susan Collins Fault. It's Johnny Isaac since fault, it's Ben Nelson's fault, it is the fault of people who should be. Their day after day making these compromises in a real big way possible and making the other stuff impossible. We look at TED Crew, is and blame him. We look at the people on this sort of edges of the party with the most confrontational approach and blame them, but it's actually the people who know better who should be there for that kind of compromise. It's like you Lamar Alexander's, who he has done. Some compromises it out of the public eye, but when it really comes down to it like human Patty Murray could have and really try to do something on Obamacare could have really gone and tried to figure out some answer for it and it they're just was
ultimately the courage to do that, and so it's mine, to run around lamenting the death of the political system. They love but have never really seemed the courage to do the hard things to make that political system work think deserve a lot more blamed for this, and they actually get. I mean I, I think, right, but I also think there's an important sort of a cemetery, the right, which is that as politics Duval into a kind of symbolic struggle right, there's. This is systematic advantage to the forces of the conservative movement right that, like white people from christian backgrounds, are a big plurality group in the United States of America that can hold together very easily and a kind of pure politics of symbolism is much more challenging to like stitch together. A left coalition based and diverse group of identity is and then on concrete sort of policy ends. Weight The funders of the conservative movement just have a lot
ideas that like wouldn't fly with the electorate right? So keeping the question of the tangible impact of public policy and people's lives should off the table. It makes money for people who are behind it right and then, when you have the moderate Democrats Emmi, because I agree with you that it's the moderates but it, but I do feel the fault lies actually Morse wearily on the kind of red State Democrats, because if you look like, why is it hard for democratic Win, Indiana Wise it hard to win in Missouri, wise it hard to win and in North Dakota? why it's its cultural politics in the sense that Democrats stand for the kinds of people who live in big diversity swayed, and so would you want to do running into state like that is trying to say no like yes, like culture and identity are important to people, and they are important like aspects of the world, but also a lot of what we do in Congress is like really tedious stuff. You can learn about on the weeds, podcast right, but
those same members actually tend to view, toward the right, not just on like hazy throw politics, but on concrete policy like Those are the members who are most resistant to taxing wealthy people. The members were most recent and just spending money on public employment programmes and this frankly, it's hard to see anything other than a kind of corruption at work. That has to me like made me much more just personally open to like left critiques, and I think it SAM. No, it is disturbing to be wrong about things. I'm gears. Are you guys think about primary policymaking on on the right kind of the camp, where whip That was where intellectual dynamos White House, where blows my mind, looking at com,
oh, but more or less at the White House? As you know, when I look at Medicare for all, like other gave a theory like, oh that excites people that does exciting, like you know, when I think of green new deal, there's a lot about it. That Ito can get people excited. But now, when I look at like Obamacare appeal or the tax package, like one of the thing that has kind of confused me a lot about the way, Republicans in legislating as they keep pursuing policies that are just not very popular like they are precisely the Eba. These things. Are you know in the twenties thirties of pulling How do you guys think about, like the era unpopular policy, making that we're the Republican Party is breaking apart as a policy institution as a policy theory I mean this in two ways. One is that there is a conflict right now between their public and party. That seems to support what Donald Trump says he supports, but does not have the interest.
Energy or capacity to actually execute as a policy vision and then a traditional republican party. Policy agenda- that the party kind of is a popular nation is moving away from that. Its key media figures, like Tucker Karlsson, are moving away from that is hideously unpopular Sarah as, but that remains like the only thing the Republican Party wants to do in Congress or in the executive branch, and I think that you really you see it something like Paul, Ryan's retirement, you know, like the guy becomes Speaker who years later is piece about like this is not working and so You have is a is now a real conflict between these wings of the party that was identified, a party that is there for symbolic, cultural politics and and and not even symbolical to politics, but often like real cultural politics where real anti immigration and restriction is policy. Real changes to the two, how inclusive our policy
You actually is, but would like, alongside that social safety net policy, to take that takes care of them. Right, which is something you see a lot in Europe, but they can't get it and see because their being blocked this in a billion euros wing of the party. This like interest wing of the party that still has power over the actual policymaking levers, and so the republican Party. In this way, is an organization at war with itself united by its war against the Democrats. Right like turn Ali, the divisions are tremendous externally They really hate Hillary Clinton or Alexandria Seo Cortez, unlike war, is a force it gives us meeting or in this case, partisanship is a force. Negative partisanship is a force. It gives meaning and that's papering over splits. In coalition that are at this point really quite profound, true
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