Congressional reporter Ella Nilsen joins Sarah and Matt to explain the unprecedented surge in women running for Congress this year. References and further reading: Michele Swers’s paper that highlights how women representatives bring back more funding to their district Sarah’s piece on how electing women changes the way the government functions Jennifer Palmieri’s book that examines the criticisms of Hillary Clinton
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Where shall we yeah this by a serious we're going doing through our toper, leading up to the election day and and the day after? Looking at some of the big racism, big themes in the mid term elections- and
where kicking off by talking about when I
has been one of the most really know where the trends of twenty eighteen, which is ending credible upsurge in women running for office and if not yet winning elections, cause
haven't happened at least winning primaries out. This is that I am you
covering this sort of four months says it's played out, unlike what? What are we seeing her way through?
the primary is, I feel, like political experts,
Holsters and pundits were sort of
Looking at what are the big themes emerging out of this election and for while people were sort of lake, is it going to be the progressive upstarts coming Bernie Sanders? People
winning over there, the more moderate, but that quickly became eclipsed by this clear trend of women.
Candidates running and also winning and can a vastly outperforming their male competitors so
I feel like twenty eighteen as before,
sort of the year of the woman already, and it's not not insert the blue. It's the pink way,
Yes, so actually they pick up on that a little bit like warehouse,
see this cutting across political lines. That's one thing you could see, unlike the republican scientists,
public and women, maybe not wanting to get involved because trumpet the leadership of the party but sounds like you're saying like not necessarily,
the case. Well, I e it is in their important caveat that I would say that democratic women are outperforming much more than republican women. There have just been a lot more democratic women running and winning their their primaries meant, winning the nominations, and I
I would have to check with of boxes republican expert targets shown on this, but I think that there is a chance.
Or the number of republican women in Congress actually shrink this year. But
massive upsurge potentially in and democratic women. You, because I think that a number of the most Sir vulnerable Republicans in the house are women and you have some women retiring from some. Some sort of key districts of his visit
answered the fall there, and I mean it's important- is oh you alluded to this, but sort of earlier on. I think people
initially approach democratic, primaries from a sort of burning Hilary frame and tried to assess the waste.
In those terms, and then a kind of fell
We were all over the map.
Ray in terms of whether left candidates are establishment, candidates, winning
that's a really sort of started to shine through that it was a good five hundred and thirty eight kind of looks at that. So like what were they, you know statistical, Carlos of winning and is just being a woman like
swamp the other ones right, yeah, definitely, and the other thing is
Some of the I feel like with the progressive candidates. A kind of got muddled with candidates like Stacy Abrams,
You know she is sort of had, I believe, some ties with Clinton, but the progressive groups were kind of embracing has their own. So there was the
kind of weird overlap that kind of got it.
To the Hilary versus Bernie candidates but like, as you said, it's it's just that the women, the women candidates really kind of breakthrough. That Malden have been the clear trend of twenty tonnes of re. Where things I think is like a little but interesting here, like some other women hogan more attention. Third victories like Alexandria, Cassio quarters.
comes to mind. Is that after that, when you have the political science research, women on both sides of the Isle tend to be a little bit more moderate. Usually don't anyone you think of like even like who in Congress is
either end like in the Freedom caucus the Bernie Sanders Isaac. Usually it's men who have staked out the extremes of the party.
things like one of them has been interesting to watch is, I feel, like I've, seen female candidates
you feeling more empowered to take on those kind of
missions to you know with Abkhazia, Cortez with her positions
I met a care for all and other big social policy issues that were things if you
a little bit different this year is that way
we seem to have gotten a lot more encouragement to.
actually run and throw their heads in the ring and go for the policies that they support, which is
In the thing that seems to be lacking, like the reason you don't have
female legislators from the rest
I've read it
that they dont one races they actually perform pretty well once they run. The problem is always getting women to run in the first place that women generally rate themselves as less
qualified, immunize interviewing one political scientists about this.
saying there are so many men who, like look in the mirror and think like that, looks like,
women just you know I have not got the message like they are. What looks like a great congresswoman and I think what so different
this year is that more work
are getting that message and like. I think there is like a really big snowball effect of seeing other people do something, and then thinking like hey, that's that's something. Someone like
he could do as well, and I think that the interesting thing tat piggy back after that
as you know, a lot of women that I've talked to you in and women candidates have said that you know certainly that they were spurred to run after Trump when the presidency, but it's not just you, know the fears of what trumps policies could do for women's health and health care. You know policies pertaining to women that certainly part of it, but there is also just sort of this basic level at looking at tat
who is, you know unqualified, for the position, and these women is seeing him. You know getting in defeating a woman who was arguably the most qualified candidates.
history and being like okay, if that cake
do this, I can really-
and if, like looking at
the members of Congress, male members of Congress making ridiculous statements about. Do you know this that another thing and just kind of looking at their own mail representation over the years and being like? Ok, if
sky can do this, I can do this to you. I mean it's definitely an irony right. It's like Trump lowered the bar so low that it helped
bar overcome their doubts, because his errand saying right, I mean this- has been traditionally like a major barrier to women stepping forward. You know
you look at it set some unknown one tough primaries ride like carry Eastman and in Nebraska read. Does it pretty clear case where there was a candidate who the establishment favoured he was a former house member, clearly qualified to be a house member and establishment friendliness enough that, like Emily's lest and other groups, were like not that excited about backing an opponent to him but EAST,
You know who she runs a health nonprofit. I mean it's not crazy, that you become a number of Congress, but also its only she had twenty years in the state Senate or something you know, she's, not a super duper duper qualified person but qualified enough and like she had a different set of ideas that she believed in and she went for a right which had been the rule previously for women and in politics, and
She won a primary looks like she's down in the in the general action there, but you know that
It's been the sort of biggest
change, I think, is women, who
don't necessarily have incredible amounts of institutional support and causing
Cortez being the kind of our example of that right. Like
against a very well entrenched in like nobody in power politics, they really wanted to see a left wing.
challenger there but like Crowley, was very vulnerable and you know it just took some one to run.
Given following a lot of these races to fill it. You see these candidates like running on, like
like I'm a woman platform- words I kind of incidental or how do you feel like it- is fitting into the political message saying that you're saying coming out
I think, a kind of yes, and no I mean I think that, especially as as issues like the bright Cavanaugh hearings this past week,
women who are running our kind of calling to their collective experience that they may have had you know being with with me to moments, are dealing with sexual harassment,
assault, certainly when it comes to things like fighting for reproductive health rights stay in a say that they approach this issue is a woman, Lena people that have sort of dealt first hand with us. I think that when I try
two women candidates running. I just was
Nevada recently talking to Jackie Rosen Congresswoman, who is running for Senate against Dean Heller in the fall and
she is not opening all of her speeches. Voting like I am Jackie rose and a woman that we'd like to represent you in the Senate, she's trying to make sure that she straddles the line between
highlighting her first hand experience on some of these issues coming two things:
mother and as a woman in issues like specifically reproductive health care things like that
but I wouldn't say that a lot of these women that's their their opening line. I think that they just want to. Let voters know that they will be good representatives. That also happen to be a woman. What
just like zoom out a little, but I just want to make sure we head is just to talk for a moment about how terror
the? U S has internationally in terms of women's participation in politics. This is something I
writing about a little bit like twin sixteen twenty seventeen. There is something called the
your parliamentary union, which is a big association of governments and kind of keep statistics on who gets representation, the? U S currently ray,
a hundred and forth in women's participation in elected national positions. We dropped nine
spots between twenty sixteen and twenty,
seventeen and you see a lot of countries doing much much better than us,
that we usually hover around, I think about fifteen to sixteen percent of our elected officials in Congress are female compared to a lot of other countries.
where such a handler equity a lot more, are getting a lot closer to equity, that this is
something the! U S is struggling. Add at this point is getting more women into Congress. So is there like a definitive theory of.
that is why I think other countries thought you know. That's a problem like we want more women in government and took specific policy steps to fix
So you see like actually a surprising number of european countries,
some kind of quota system rat you know that gets.
Where women into office, do you see a lot more pro active policy
making and like a recognition that, like this, is a problem that we should fix, whereas
in our policy making? We haven't really had that recognition, but also
I mean we have a more decentralize guess party system right, so I mean Republicans, wouldn't want a quarter system, but I bet, if Democrats had a party list, they would probably adopt an internal auditor sister.
On that list. That's not how right fraid! So it's like. So I guess you like a democratic Supreme court. Appointments yes, are like running about even or women ahead in the modern.
but like there's, no like central command that
can say who are we gonna have here? She is,
entrepreneurial system and so on.
If men are more likely to be eager maniacal, unlike say I should be- the congressmen
The like, that's like saving like Sweden is one example I have written about where, in the nineteen seventy users, the Sweden's liberal Party, they set a quota that forty percent of the candidates they're going to run,
we women and look of course, you end up with more women in swedish government, because forty percent of the cap,
in its are women, but I hear the de triple see doesn't have that kind of power to say,
ok, here's our slave candidates, all across
the country and forty percent of them are going to be women, and so I think the diedre policy could do more if they wanted to two universe set. Those sort of rule
they think it. Where there is a will, there is a way right leg if they decided this was an issue they cared about. They could do
but I think you're right, like the decentralization american politics, certainly cuts against. You know these pro active steps that a lot of european countries have used to
these women's representation, in what we ve seen on the democratic side this year, the sort of house gives you are a hard count way but like
a pretty broad and across the board increase in women's level of political act,
poverty like, I know, a lot of people, women who are for the first time, sort of making hundred fifty dollars campaign contributions to candidates same read about in the internet like would you didn't have, is a change in
mechanics of the system. The way you hadn't sweet right in said, would you had was like an actual surge of women participate
Serbian! It's like it's! It's quite different from the mechanism. There are more women into Switch parliament which wasn't like women from the grass roots, stepping up and like winning
rested election. That was like party leaders were trying to make a statement and adopted a rule and then, like the government, adopted world right, whereas nothing
nobody has like decided caught him quote in the: U S,
generally or in the Democratic Party, specifically that you have to put more went forward right now,
never away. That's like more powerful like
you have it. It's not. Coming from a quota system is coming from my peopled, citing like I want to run for political office. Unlike voters citing like this is a good person to elect a new political office. It seems like a slower mechanism, but obviously the U S has fallen by
fine, but I don't know the more grass roots nests of at, like almost gives it a bit more
a bit more legitimacy, eating more encouragement of women to run to say. Look, I didn't have to be picked that I can just run, whereas I've other people, certainly a better political
if it's even given, if its organically, rather than being being told us a quota of like a sub, see right of more woman veterans,
right, which is like an actual. That's like a change in the pipeline and ride like starting earlier. You have many more military positions open to women. Having served in wartime is like a traditional like thing that can make you be qualified to rhyme right and you wouldn't have
MC bath or but may I M J Hagar where they hang our and Amy Mcgrath you're right, it's a sort of very typical Canada Back story, but its new that you have women who have that kind of Baxter right
and it is interesting to me that in those two cases I mean at the beginning, the DE trip you know was was more in favour of Mcgrath primary opponents who again
it was you know, sort of an older white millionaire who is
the mayor of Lexington INA. She ended up being
in the primary and, of course they they fully back her now and sort of this
with M J Hagar, I mean the Detroit just wasn't really getting involved in that particular district, because its Texas and they side as more difficult to win, but in a book,
cases I mean Amy, Mcgrath and M J Hagar. I was talking to mean a people that that do political.
advertising and they both put up political adds, highlighting they're kind of unique
three making service in the military
Those adds, I think, were two of the most successful political ads in terms of the amount of money that they find raised off. Ino headed a fund raising off of them. Those adds basically kind of launched their political career isn't right,
There is a reason for that and its inrushing does. This becomes a one sided way if you, if you look at Martha MC sallies positive ads in Arizona Senate, raise the republican Domini there. It feels like, like weirdly out of place, because she has like a very twenty eighteen democratic House, candidate story about her military service and fighting with the bureaucracy, about exactly what combat roles which were allowed to play:
like access is a republican, send a candidate and the trend, just uncanny level has been very one. Sided websites like half
The non incumbent Democrats running for how so women, I believe, and
You look at charts of it in its like Democrats and Republicans bovine Bob along like a low level, with a slight upward trend and then just like out of nowhere like a brazilian democratic nominees. An trump is obviously in some sense the reason which is weird. It's like a weird pardon
I'm legacy but so than when he had like what, if a bunch of women win by so
we say like there's a lot of predictable changes. If Democrats controlled house, rather than Republicans but there's
Strong research base that, like
if we really want uncomfortable saying it bug, it actually does make a difference. Yes, it does and uniting the thing that you see when you dive into this research is that women legislate
currently and they care more about the issues that affect women. So there's a political sentences, Georgetown Michel Suarez he's kind of done a lot of their research on this and
one other thing she looked at is like, if you just narrow down to liberal legislators like what is different about liberal women and their old man, she finds
one of our papers finds that liberal female legislators cosponsor an average of ten point, six bills related to women's health, which is far above the five point, three core sponsored by their liberal male colleagues.
So you see about twice a level of engagement on women's health issues from female legislators than you do from their male counterparts. So
with this suggests to me, is that it's a different priority setting that its different interests in advancing specific policy issues. I think you know if that built advance. Women's health comes to the floor there.
other democratic male liberal legislators. Their propaganda supported as well. Biting that question of will the bell comes.
For that, will someone actually decide. This is an issue worth writing. Legislate
around the one thing that, like feels very relevant to
right now is some of the provisions, for example, in the affordable care act that are actually pretty small part of the affordable care act that have to do with protections for women who are breastfeeding, which type
I am, and you know I would have never thought before. I went through this experience about the importance of providing women a place that is like private and clean and not a bathroom that has an outlet that UK.
Use during the day for pumping, but I think the lived,
variants that a lot of women have you who are members of
Congress, now thought you know what let's get that in the affordable care act like. Let's require companies with more than fifty people to create those faces. I just don't think that's an issue that comes up. If you don't have people.
We have lived through that experience and I think you see you know multiple examples where you see, for example, the violence against women ACT, PAN saying in the mid nineties after the night
ninety two year of the woman, so
there really is something about the difference lived experience
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I mean it also seems
clear. If you look at some of the differences in
but cabinets nomination versus Clarence, Thomas is or how the l, Frank in situation was handle
I mean it's difficult to prove ripe,
act that there are many more women in the democratic Senate caucus and that more of them are close to. The upper echelons of leadership is like altering how these things are. Our process straight
Yeah, I think definitely it is- I mean I think, even see that in the Cavenaugh debate, where you see senators more Cowskin Collins say you know, on their public. Insider kind of two of
defining votes in part, because you know they are the more moderate members but, like I said most, the research that just you
more moderation among female legislators, but also because I think they have a different experience,
they think we actually are senator more Cowskin, saying unit making reference
earlier this week. I too am to her own.
Experience as sexual harassment, and I think that
That matter leads one old public inside right. You have six women in forty five men and of the six women to seem to have serious doubts about governor and of the forty five men, one
swayed, unlike his nomination, just would be dead if that caucus had twenty five women at it. I think
one other thing. I think that's a little bit different into which you know my prove true at this class. Is this idea that described to me? It's kind of
Jill Robinson theory of high achieving ribbon kind of a play on Jack. Your
and send that the women who are elected to Congress, tender
be exceptionally good at what they do, whereas
I guess I mean the blunders version, as you see like a lot of mediocre man like putting themselves forward for cotton, has really if you're gonna win as a woman. It's a lot harder. You're gonna face like a lot more barriers. You're gonna have to be so
one whose really confident in themselves, who really has the skills to get elected,
You also see two female.
Just leaders seem to serve their constituents better by
passing legislation that actually brings more money back to their home districts. There's one other study.
From another political scientists that found the district represented by women, received an additional forty, nine million annually on average compared to their male represented counterparts, and
The theory here is not that women generally are better getting things done, but the women who get elected to Congress,
are in some ways more effective at their jobs and more effective at the job of being a Congress person,
So they do better and actually getting a both getting legislation passed an bringing money back to their districts at representing their constituents, so obedient
This is something like that plays out with this election too,
will certainly be interesting to see kind of how this plays out in the House post. Two thousand and eighteen, if Democrats do take back the house and what happens with current House minority leader Nancy Pelosi.
Who has announced its intention to run for speaker of the house. Should Democrats when and you know argue
ie is one of. If not the most accomplished, speakers of the house during her tenure. You know we saw the affordable care act, pass the bail out the banks
many more things under her under her watch.
certainly one of the things as people are kind of arguing that her time is up and she needs to go one of the things that policy
and her allies have been calling. This is just sexism seventh right
here's. Now I guess how I would put it right is that she has benefits from the fact that heard leading critics are most vocal and most visible. Critics have
in man and that at least until he lost his primary, it was Joe Crowley seemed like these sort of most possible
Alternative Emmy you seen in the primaries and- and I just think like the moon- does not exist in the Democratic Party at the moment to dump a very experienced and accomplish the woman in favour of up.
Less qualified man, even though I think this in many ways a pretty compelling like electoral logic, too, we will be better off with junior
new person. But I mean I think
can realistically challenger would have to be another woman. Yes, and nobody like that
material. Now no one has stepped forward as of yet and the days keep going
and I realized in the longer term, the longer we get without a name, the the more difficult that's gonna be, and that was also I mean that was a big factor in the twenty. Sixteen primary right, ultimately, is that
was with worryin, who alot of Hillary Clinton is more progressive. Critics had wanted to recruit as a strong challenger, like didn't run for a mix of reasons, but like one thing, Clayton did early on which he locked up all the women from the democratic carcass till I
right this letter about. I like it's time for woman right, and so she should have rallied the concept of electing a woman president to mean electing Hillary Clinton, which then she wound up facing a tough challenge. But then she saw wielded gender based arguments very effectively there. But now you have a much more open field and Senegal.
and sat Desert of Quasar announcement earlier this week and I was like very much emphasising. I'm gonna get
was. I running I'm Rebecca Tracers book that
You know we met in the context of the cabin. I hearings, I think, rightly, was sort of making this announcement right right right right
Dela Cavanaugh was up there like yelling and screaming and she's angry on behalf of whatever the little guy
of the women of the list of the lady is for everyone. So I read more political science and I actually do you like spend time on capital held like how're, you Ella thinking about like. If we have this?
eve of women like what it means for the Democrats,
agenda going forward,
let's say they do take back the house and like twenty nineteen, that when you're too
candidates where they wanting to like take the policy discussion if they're the ones and control yeah. Well. Obviously, healthcare always comes up as the number one issue, and I think that a lot of
the candidates and also with current members of Congress, who are now going to be instrument on some of these policy. Making decisions next year are
you saying health care is, is a women's issue. It really impacts women, and this is something that we mean needed
the look out in terms of stabilizing these
people care acts, ends EDA, maybe down there. I dont think that Medicare for all, as is coming up in it as an immediate discussion fur for policy,
twenty nineteen, but certainly something that that people are keeping an eye on, but the other
as I had a long conversation with cumbersome and Linda Sanchez.
Who is running for democratic Caucus chair after the elections,
She kind of mentioned, in addition to health care, to things that she really wants to get accomplished our legislation to help women that, with the cost of child care, and also the cost of elder care sort of two things at two different ends of a person's life where women are kind of bearing the brunt of having to take care of children or paying to take care of children and then also having to help out
care of their aging parents. So those are to kind of tangible things that I think that in again would have. You know, might not be something that we think about. As much I mean, especially, I think child care gets talked about more than than elder care, but things that that impact a lot of people's lives that are not super high up on the discussion was basically child
an interesting one. We that we deserve might have heard us talk about last week that it seems like something that sort of gets mentioned like here and,
and feels exactly like one of those issues that doesn't get as much policy attention until there's people who have had like some kind of experience with they actually said,
Ok like this is the issue that I'm going to put forward and like this is the end like we nearly had come.
Station with a killer is the nominees and obviously she did not win the election and like irony, that feels like one of those issues where there is still a lot of work to be done in terms of just like the actual policy idea phase like what does that? Actually, what is at issue look like in the United States, a cow? Do we actually take this idea? We want childcare to be made more affordable and turn it into a piece of legislation that definitely feels like one of those things that doesn't get done unless there are various
People saying like this is an important priority like it is what we should be focusing on Ray. I mean you know, there's a lot of sir policy spadework
waited, and there's also I'm mean one place where this gets tricky right is
How do the gender aspects of these questions interact with you? No other factors.
With the economy, and things like that- and you know one way in which, like health care is a women's issue like works. Very conveniently for Democrats, is that, like the government should subsidize people's health care is like a very rock, solid democratic party issue. So now you're just like on our thing. You know what kind of a new
dimension to it, whereas pushing into new things like childcare me in this
a lot of what you end up talking about, but there's a question right
say: ok, we're gonna do more to like help, families with children but like which kind of families you know and like what kind of help any poses
You know I just like the reality that, like some women do not have children, someone with children are like very career oriented. Others are more
traditional asked, and it can be a sort of challenging to try to conceptualize like a policy agenda that speaks for Like Cornwall women when its atmosphere,
a large set of women are half the puppy. Who is right, we might just have to I mean not just numerically large but, like,
positioned in all the different roles that
listen american society in a different way. Like I say, let go wandering as as our people saying about like the cabin. Our hearings was like. We
can't like gerrymander, like women away the way you can with major minority groups, which is absolutely true,
at the same time. I think it's clear if you just like look at pulse staff, that
women have more.
Left wing views than men about
gender roles, but not that much more.
You don't mean like it is like not hard to find women in attendance at even Jellicoe churches, who very much thank abortion should be illegal and that the right thing for women to do is to stay home with their children and that, like feminists
destroying America read like and like we're really happens that women have more strongly held views on these kinds of questions about family life than that they're like uniformly on one side or another. Why
that's one of the interesting things about like we see. We see a lot of women running. If we see more women in Congress is long term. Does that shift
views- and I could see it either way like there is some research that I've looked at, that suggestion
of more women in politically elected.
since it really changes how people just think
younger women and there's a really interesting study on those in the journal. Science.
from India, where they had this Sab quota system that they rolled out in some cities and not others where one third of elected spots are reserved for for female candidates, and the thing is really interesting there I mean we're talking at a pretty different setting. We're talking about rural indian villages is that in the places where this policy
Without first you saw parents thinking differently about their younger daughters, that they were less likely to say things like you know they thought it was.
the girls job to keep a house when she got married. They saw
Spending more time on their homework in the villages that had the increase in female representation, which is really surprised me, I didn't think that's like a finding. You see and granted like. I said this in rural indian villages.
a pretty different setting, but I think that one of the very long term questions as I do, those views change when you have more people
an office, and I could see a going either way. You do, on the one hand, were really just sing, like Elvis
it's a lot of women running on the democrat side. There might even be a loss of female republican legislators in Congress that you made to see this,
You know greater polarization or you know, maybe you see kids growing up in a world where they feel like it's like normal, to see a lot of women in Congress and that shifts their views. I think that's a really interesting long term question about like how that how this affects how we think about it.
what women doing don't do, unlike what young girls do and don't do, waiting
I think I remember you saying you know like when women get elected to statewide office
and more women get Ryan. Yes,
Yes, I see like these like knock on effects of EAST Timor and that when women get elected to state my office, you see
more women running in the next cycle and
generally see this if you look internationally to that, like as participation rises, that you see more and more women putting themselves forward as candidate, and I think like it goes to something
really basic of just like seeing yourself in your representatives in saying you know, there's something I could do like that person looks something like me: witches
something women get a lot less than men. Do
or even seeing
seeing like someone else spread like a friend or an acquaintance right right thinking of her as someone you might encourage to run for office,
because I mean- I think right because again in America in Particular- read like a really important hurdle that people facing waiting for office is it. You often need to sort of raise money from your
friends brain you like eventually, you know hoped, have like a viral where bad or get party support but like to get off the ground. You need to be causing people up and get them to write you money, and that means you need some rich friends and they need to like you, but they also need to like think of you as someone who could be in
Congress rate, and I I don't have the exact statistics on hearing. I was trying to look for an earlier, but there is a study
done by the collective pack, which is a pact that supports african american candidates earlier this year about, just though the significant barriers that women,
color in particular face with when it comes to fund raising our trying to start a campaign, and it is true that in a four
out of these barriers. You know all women face buried,
but I think that women of color in particular face even even more barriers and we are seeing with candidates like I am Presley. You know gave very moving speeches about that issue of report,
patient and making sure that all women are
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does I think, like structural aspects of the american political system? There are very challenging to sort of overcome or or deal with, and that's what makes the kind of twenty eighteen like Super Mobile,
asian interesting. Why? Because you can imagine one fork in which, like this are a role model effect takes hold and you ratchet- and we look at this- is like a break point- that at least on the Democratic party side going forward. Most nominees we'll be women most of the time because
most of the democratic party. Loaders are women right, but like another possibility, is that the like Trump fever receives somehow right, and we, like
edge back, because I think we all understand that, like the unprecedented number of women running for office has something to do with Donald Trump. But like I don't know, if I was you somewhere but a gun to my head, it was like a cow like
Is that what you I mean it's a little. I don't think it's like super obvious to dry it'd be, and I think that you almost eater see some interesting parallels with the nation and a two year of the woman which come out of the India Hell Clarence Thomas hearings,
but again like guinea, we saw that that was you know more than those sixteen years ago, at this point and not like or at gender parity. At this point, so I think one of the things like if I looked back at ninety nine,
to check whether this is like a you know, term point moment it's kind of like we saw this,
jump in ninety two and then it just stopped
and maybe we see this like jump and twenty eighteen and then it just kind of sits there
for a while, which is I get some more pessimistic way too low
that will give. It really is just about, like this Trump fury.
and you know I don't know. What's it, we have like an Elizabeth warrant at the top of the ticket and twenty twenty
maybe then it's like you know what they look like. We did at that. We have our female candidates like there's no need to go
so angry because, like we have Elizabeth WAR and at the top of the ticket- and it gets an interesting open question, I think,
Ninety nine, due to waive, suggests to me that these things like don't always,
snowball net, that role model we weight like you just
at this moment in time. That leads to a change, and then things receive a little bit and interest goes back to, like, moreover, status quo. I think a question that remains unanswered in this is said: I think, coming out of the twenty. Sixteen, where you see a sort of a palpable desire in the devil backside for women candidates and a lot of interesting
Article two foreign women potential presidential contenders, but also a sense from pillar cleanse, came from a lot of her supporters that she was like done in by sexism and the campaign trail, and I think people who do not want us to take away the lesson. It was a terrible mistake to nominate a woman,
President no political party should ever do that again sometimes seem to be so
things that kind of commit themselves to that position, if can only mean
God knows you're, just as users. Hang there that right. That gets almost like if you're going to nominate another candidate by giving our nominate and Elizabeth born like this is a barrier, she would face that a Bernie Sanders candidates would not face it's almost like implicit in that argument.
Me like if you think it's your whether one if I were to say online tomorrow, Hillary Clinton
message around with your emails. Will it cost a lot in the campaign like a proper?
monsieur that somebody will be in my mentions and sang. It
I e mail server, you mean sexism, then yes, I agree. You know and Jennifer popularity
who could have like latte? I use work foreign and worked for him
Couldn't you know she I think, like
Is this out in her book that, like a lot of the criticisms that Clinton came under, were, in her view a form of sublimated Sgi wit,
I don't know you know. I think I think there's something to some of that. One reason that until twenty a teen you is been rare to see african american nominees for state what office uncontested elections is like Democrats fear that racism will make it hard for them to win elections and like Post Obama, the parties themselves or change its,
mind about that. A little bed and Stacy Abrams is pulling pretty well and Andrew Gillum is point very well in Florida.
I think, in the future, there's gonna be a consensus that, like Democrat, should have african american nominees when their talented, because there isn't anything to fear they like when you have a good bye candidate like nominate that person and Emma go when, but there's this
I of I think, not tentativeness around nominating women, because you have a lot of women nominees, but like a fear that there's huge barriers in their place-
tickets to fear, but also something that, like the same group of people want to tackle like would not say that
and this is why we should run a female, not me
it's almost like. This is why we need more female nominees to show that this is what a president, a Congress person
actually looks. I might break down that fear that this is going to be some kind of dry.
and I made you go you're saying that that, like you could framework as well. This really
not to nominate woman. You could also submitted. Has like loses the absolute
and we need more women in Government- is like breakdown those stereotypes
You know where and show that this is not
actually a detrimental to to being a candidate.
And I do think that that dynamic is gonna play out very much and twenty twenty, because Trump is gonna, still be the Republican and he is openly sexist, massage misogynistic, whereas maybe past Republican.
or or male candidates in general. Not just Republicans were maybe a kind of more subtly and misogynistic, so so an and certainly was born has signalled that she is interested in running and twenty twenty. We have common Harrison Hersant
a brand, and I think that that is an argument and a dynamic. That's gonna be playing out up until twenty twenty four. I think that
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