American neurosurgeon, medical reporter and writer Sanjay Gupta joins Tony for an engaging conversation about brain health and its effects on your life. From movement to nourishment to rest, Tony and Sanjay share life hacks that have been proven to improve both the quality and longevity of your life from Sanjay Gupta’s newest book, Keep Sharp: Build a Better Brain at Any Age. Learn and laugh with these experts as they take you on a journey through cutting-edge information and inspiration about brain health and exciting developments for the future of this field.
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Show Notes:
1:00 TR introduces today’s guest, a renaissance man
1:30 Sanjay’s new book, Keep Sharp
2:00 TR: How did that journey begin and what influenced you?
2:58 The first female engineer hired by Ford
3:20 Sanjay’s mom: “if you don’t hire me, you never will.”
4:30 Sacrifice
5:25 Medical marijuana and being able to shift
7:00 Sanjay during Covid-19
7:30 Sanjay did not see the merits of medical marijuana originally
8:00 94% of the studies were designed to look for harm, only 6% looking for a benefit
8:35 I different picture started to emerge
9:05 TR: You did such a good job bringing the human emotion to it
10:08 Total transparency
10:20 TR: What made you decide to write Keep Sharp?
11:20 Sanjay wrote his book before Covid-19
12:05 The mental impact of Covid-19
13:09 You can build new brain cells at any age
15:20 Defining a healthy brain
16:40 We use 10% of our brain 90% of the time
17:20 Neurogenesis
18:40 Practice makes perfect, but it is change that builds resilience
18:50 TR: Are there skills that you’ve never tried, learning a language, singing?
20:15 TR: Is there dopamine that comes from creating these new pathways?
23:17 TR: Pattern recognition, pattern utilization, pattern creation is what makes people masterful
23:35 Fundamentally, people know the right things to do
25:00 A healthy brain is tied to a wider circle
27:25 Sanjay uses his daughters as a sounding board
29:00 Brisk walking is far better than intensely exercising for the brain
29:50 Get vulnerable
34:12 The brain is exquisitely sensitive to sugar
34:40 You may be overly indulging your body and starving your brain.
35:14 TR: Tell people what the long-term impact of starving the brain is
35:40 Changes in your brain that sets you up for dementia potentially
36:28 TR: Where is the link between side effects of covid and obesity?
39:50 TR: We seem to be outsourcing our health to the pharmaceutical industry, but they can only do so much.
42:00 Medical AI and being the CEO of your own health
42:37 The two words no one wants to talk about
43:45 We can now visualize the inside of the brain
44:33 The process began decades earlier
46:10 Injecting AI behaviors for health
48:10 Technology will continue to add to our lives
49:00 There might be a better use of our time and energy
50:00 The Vatican and stem cells
55:00 We have the capacity to heal ourselves
57:01 Optimizing our life so it is frictionless
57:30 Sanjay: Three teenage girls in the house
57:57 TR: What did you learn from the super-brainers project?
59:04 Confirmation that the brain can get sharper over time
59:20 TR: The more meaningful connections you make, the more you remember.
1:01:00 Blood pressure drugs to prevent destructive memories forming
1:01:55 Dementia Village
1:08:02 1.65-billion-person experiment
1:09:20 Sleep is essential to memory
1:11:00 “As your friend, you should get more sleep Tony”
1:12:05 Tony comes to mind when Sanjay writes
1:13:00 Habit stacking
1:15:00 Polishing memories
1:16:00 TR: What is your Ikigai?
1:18:05 The difference in data interpretation
1:21:20 Childhood hunger
1:23:05 Experiencing this world fully
1:24:20 TR: You’re a gift to us
This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
Everybody's story Robins very special Pike ass the day with a very special friends somebody I know you all respect and love of the subject. We're gonna talk about is focused power. The mind. If I wasn't you know this is part of my life right because
the mind and the hard I wouldn't leave my without part of the budget. Just in your head right get your head, your dad, but the ability to focus to concentrate to learn to grow, to expand. It is what really makes life worth living it's. What gives you the tools to make a difference to grow your business, to be a great pair to be great friend to be great business person?
and yet there is something make a mess with its probably one of the larger fears we have no its not covered. When I could talk about that. You heard enough about that for the day the weak the month, maybe here, but it's something that has wandered term effects in those cases and that's dementia and Alzheimer's, as though I wanted
do about solutions? I want to understand what the challenges are, and I could better to do that. Then why the most respected and beloved doctors in the world is a neurosurgeon he's, Emmy winning broadcaster journalist, easy man, because the gun to Iraq and operates on people. He has a renaissance man and I'm a giant phantom have been for a decade now and that Sunday,
the Sunday thanks to joining us back to gotta, tell anyone what a pleasure one of the things. I would like to say the most about myself as I'm an f o t friend of Tony. I really cherish our friendship. I do thank you for having me I've just got don't reading is new book. I recommend all go get here is called cheap shark bill.
A brain. A better brain of any age is really like a twelve weak action plans where love about it isn't just cod with understanding, but here's what you can do to
who's that boy the problem, but to strengthen yourself right now and so that our start out Sunday, you know,
you really are that Renaissance man I talked about the blow and smoke and curious before we begin on your blog
your journey, I mean I think about fifteen years ago, so we met for the first time in an interview with you. Remember after you get me a few minutes I can I was. I was so interesting you as a person, and you just add one your daughter's remember. I do think you told me I mean like what shakes people- and you know here this
frankly background our journey began. What influence tuna creep around one coming to think is that your mom was one of the first female engineers
number in India, or maybe the first here in Amerika at Moor Reappearance Map- is that true,
well did you play him? Can you take? Is how do you go from surgeon to one the most respected medical? You know people on television and shaping people around the world.
They think what they understand about, how to take care of themselves well, you're, very kind to desert, portray it that way. You know it's it's interesting ye. We all have these these sorts of journeys and sometimes didn't get a chance to reflect on it like this. But one thing I do want to say that my mom, I think you know, for a lot of people. Their parents do have this influence on them that maybe they recognize even
or so later in life tat. She was the first woman ever higher as an engineer at the Ford Motor Company and that which was an incredible really. I mean they just have women engineers at that time, and it was said to stay a funny story. She goes there,
she's she's determined. My mom is one of these people, she's determined Tony. You would love her. She doesn't, she never says. No. She just doesn't give up anyways she's cold, calling this is in the mid 60s in in Dearborn Michigan
home, afford she's rainfall, sorry and its winter time, just painting a picture for a year now and then not used to sing
sorry, let alone and indian woman, let alone someone wants to be an engineer and she's cold calling and eventually it gets these meetings and, and they say, look we we don't have any engineers here that are women and my mom says, and if you don't hire me,
you never will that. That was the line, the kindest so that you talk about shaping people that I remember that line my whole life, but the other thing- and you get a kick out of this. My mom's name is dummy anti that it's a long name, and so they immediately said you have two short in your name. They told her. She had to have a nickname, which just weird even say that, but regardless that's what they told her. She thought quickly and she said
it's gonna be Ronnie, which means Queen in Hindi, basically ahead. If you're gonna make me change my name, you will call me queen for the rest of my professional life. So that's my mom. You know I mean it's almost like enough said right in terms of what what shapes you, but she she. You know. I think that's that's a big part of it. I also think a lot of people, but maybe you as well Tony. I leave my parents sacrificed a lot for me. They they they made a lot of sacrifices. You know, in order for me to get a good education and it was not easy for them. My mom live as a refugee for part of her life. All that I do feel that there is a there is a desire to just do as much as you can as a result on almost just just do things so, just as does not even something really ties it altogether. I got all time here
having given this great gift, a re parents in, and let me just do as much as I can add that really the the journey, while you're you're you been a hungry like to learning, grow at a really respect about you. But you know I've never used drugs out, but I'm not a true to just. I grew up in a family. Were drugs were abuse them out those abuse, so my Sophia Asians, brilliant chance
against it, but I saw you you talk about me, medical marijuana and I bet you wanna area by lab work. Your seriously, then we said I was wrongdoers, new insight. There's no science! Today, that's one of the biggest difficulties we have it.
We have a lot of science, which contradict each other, and today is only one voice like orbit is a perfect example like people are equally
if I were taken off social media support today, but you have a different attitude. You of this attitude of what I do. I just want to bring what's right, what does it come from
make that join. You ve just been Virginia, want something you ve felt so strongly guest and then you go. It really does make a difference in certain situations, especially with brain as you well. You know, I think with it. With regard to the covert and again I appreciate you: u portraying it this way to eliminate these. Are these are difficult times no question and in your right I mean you know you talk about the clashes between science and policy and the young and the economy, and all that these are real clashes. People were right about this historically for hundreds of years to come. So what I think you know, I don't think society has enough honest brokers to be perfectly candid with you yeah. I think there's too many people for whatever reason- and this isn't a criticism as much as an observation- the Sunni, complex people just conflicted. Then it's it's uh. It's again that I'm not saying it is a criticism, but you have to acknowledge it. I do think an unbiased, but I would think that
let's have a little bit of an honest broker wrong here. You know what it. What did I do? I am not. I made a point of not being beholden to anyone or anything united in any kind of secondary gain issues. Anything I want a lot of homework on reading the science all the time I mean after uncovered, I woke up it forth.
Eddie every morning for fourteen months, including the weekends I could talk to my counterparts in China and Taiwan and understand what was happening there.
and then I'm talking to patients in and scientists here in vaccine makers and policymakers. I just feel if you get it
a masters degree in it, and I think that that's it that's the hunger, but that translates as a journalist and something that I think is a is a a pure, well informed products
a lot of people do them. So I'm not the only one, but I'm saying that that's that's gonna how I approach it
but the marijuana thing I just tell you this kind of dovetails nicely into it, because I did not see a lot of good ever
since supporting or medical marijuana, I wrote a time magazine story about this two thousand and nine time frame. I thank and what I real
Ized Tony, as I started, to dig into it in a few years later, was that if you were to just go, look at all the literature
on medical marijuana on our big, our big literature sites in medicine. Are you
just a macro level. Ninety four percent of the studies were designed to look for harm six percent, the looked or benefit. My point is that ninety four percent studies were being funded to look for a problem. The six percent studies were being funded to look for a benefit already. The system was so askew Youtube.
you is. It depends how deep you want to go when you look at these things. What I realize is, when I looked at labs at weren't, dependent on federal funding labs in other countries like Israel, a different picture started to emerge, and it took me eighteen months of this during my
work disorder arrive at this wait a second we
have not been getting the full picture here, because no one ever really want us to get the full picture here. Here is a fuller picture at least and shows something very different. I was moved by June
widely respected aid, because so much respect the new, but I dont be blindly about somebody respect. Rather, I want to reinforce near me. Does such a beautiful job
the human emotion towards a show real patients, and, what's really going on, I think you know I've always had a people. The only something
war is overwhelming something happening in Bosnia. But have you follow
the family and all of a sudden
that's a woman people can see and feel experience it. I just thought: I'm somebody want anyone. You deserve it. I thought you do that amazing job and completing my perspective on it and it's like certain people have recommended
the problems of John was buried in these look doesn't do the homework before I would have thought it absurd. I really appreciate
intellectual honesty but Molly over the world? But you first avenue yourself, it's it's. Unfortunately,
we'll quality today. So I think that people are people are fear
full of saying that the wrong I mean this is something you ve talked
written about. I mean it is a it as it can be a paralyzing thing, and I mean we do live in a culture where
say you're wrong the people? What counts on you and criticise you in? Maybe you do in real life to some extent, you feel like I've lost,
asked if I admit that I am wrong, I don't know I mean I'm not. I don't have all the answers, but I will tell you that the the the Tipp of the spear ass to be just total transparency god I sleep so well at night, Tonia show my knee. I sleep like a baby because of you know, I'm just I pulled out their modest
let's not about your book, I'm what made you decide right. You'll, keep smart argued. Sharp excuse me, but also keep job is marked me.
that's what I want is well, but you did
in the middle of coal bed, tussle garbage
why'd. You write it and you know how did you originally planned
about this time? People really see it because he was so much of our world was nigh to that right now, yeah. We hear something that affects people more than gold
what more people and no one for a much longer data bets families in Europe,
ribbons paying attention called a bit. That's. Why do we not want a spot like this? I'm only one person but look at a million to people who look
not a people, and I don't need us. You got plenty of exposure more than I've got, but tell me about the
why you wrote it and tell me how the responding in the middle of culture decided paying attention because it does a big family, so deeply yeah. Well,
I gotta get to let you in on a little secret. When, were you appreciate this, but we I wrote this book before covered all grounds or go out and we were going to release it in the spring. It was March of two thousand tonnes,
got it, and it was just one of these times where those two things that were going on one is that I was, as I just described, will it very very focused uncovered at the shirt releasing a book on a totally different topic? You just
just tardily, my back my mental sort of bandwidth. They, I just don't think I could be as as authentic in both areas living is that it just in you know we'll people
read this. As you say, the urgency of covert. Will people read a book, I'm a totally different topic. What we decided to do
and was released at the beginning of two thousand twenty one in part, because we said look there has
a significant mental sort of impact of this disease
should I be as a whole, not just people who lifted with a virus. So maybe this will be of help and envy released it, and- and I think you know- I think people have found it helpful in that regard- you know, but it's it's it's some it. It was a little
it was a long challenging the figure that timing out again something that I think you appreciate course what I what I told you what I tried to do here- and this is this- is
inflection point I think in life, because I've been scrambling these two worlds of being a journalist and I still practice neurosurgery. That is still sort of my first love. If you will,
you know I think I dunno find most with my colleagues who are doctors. I go to the Neuro Science meetings. I do all these things and I'm learning all these things and that world that are necessarily totally translator, bull, so my other world,
yeah now and then there are things I learn in the neuroscience. Well, nice. That is so interesting and
Ninety nine percent of the world doesn't really know about it. Yet isn't this, but I'm supposed to do our nice.
Was to be a translator of this kind of information, and so and just at tat you just briefly.
the things that was coming out in the neuroscience community, which I thought was regulatory, was that you could build new brain cells at any age. Young used to thank you, gotta,
number you sooner plasticity before the nineties, right as it were, but even even the idea. So neural plasticity
harnessing existing brain cells to do different things over you're, making new brain cells. Drill brain cells, new brain cells used to thank you drain the cash that was it
alcohol would accelerate that better decrease
of neurons,
and now we learn that you can grow new book,
cells at any aid. We thought you did it when your baby, like you three week old, not brain cells or you didn't. I
your brain injury like a stroke or traumatic brain injury, but the fact that a healthy brain at any age could grow
brain cells so essentially saying you're, you have an organ, the body which happens to your brain, which can continuously actually
lay down new brain cells and have all the benefits of that being sharper being happier being more productive. Everything as you get older, which I just really inspiring
as long as you make demands of that right- yes, everything all right
I'll make the demand and there's no reason, there's no need that trip. There is a use it or
who's it phenomenon, but
We are learning so much more about what that means. We have a tendency to two I'm to do. You know tat,
crossword puzzles and that's my use it or lose it thing in Anders. That can be great, but I, when I lie
and about how the brain actually grows these new brain cells and what that means it made me reflect more on how I actually keep my brain optimize. I do a totally differently now
What does that lets? You d get how about what are three of the biggest things. You know that you could share that, make the demonstrated toxic brain and help
strong fit right. One thing
thing I just want to define a little bit is: is that healthy brain thing? You know, because a healthy brain? I really found this interesting turning people to find this in different ways: a healthy brain, healthy heart. It did so every time it pumps the chamber, it pushes so much blood out the phasing out. He heard tat the pump. You can imagine that what is a healthy brain and some people will say, what's a brain, that's doesn't
devoid of mental illness and things like that, people have all these different definitions. This evolutionary biologist, I spoke to set a healthy brain is a brain that has a wide circle of you. That's what he said, a glance expense
to me, and he said the more and more people that you are truly willing to. Let in to your circle is evidence of a healthy brain while at so interesting.
Right when you're and not healthy. When you get very insular really, you know, you know, maybe just you and say to get healthier and it's it's. It's really a shame, because you can start the day without sympathy
but no that's more than empathy. That's that's actually creating a group of people who are your serve tribe,
swap ideas with these are people who are intellectually stimulating and all these purpose.
So the wider circle of you is a healthy brain, and I really like that because it,
and you don't know how to measure the healthy brain. Otherwise, I can measure cholesterol, trade or your blood pressure, but a healthy brain wide circle of you,
So so a couple things, I would just tell you an end. You know some of this is, is I think, I'm changing how your perspective a lot about some of its like really specific.
we use our brains. Canna like we live, our covered lives right now, you're, probably prime
early at home. Maybe you go to the kids. School grocery store a few places, and you got that down. Pat right,
it's kind of our brains. We use our whole brains, but we use ten percent of our brains. Ninety percent of the time, what a healthy brain is is basically
starting to to use other parts of the brain to kind of. If your brain, that ninety percent of
time. You're spending is your city. This is it
visiting other cities, creating new cities, and things like that. So when you do
things that you do over and over again crossword puzzle by the piano
Those are great things. That's like
I've been in your city really. Well, you got us yet you didn't get to these points. No problem eyes closed when you start to do things that are very different, get you where you will admit: that's when you're starting to
really stimulate this process of Neuro Genesis, which we don't even know you could do until recently, so so,
here you got now new cities at your essentially constructing in your brain, and that is a joyous experience as a place of literally and figuratively expands. The circle of you so
I mean it could mean something as simple as tonight when you have
dinner Tony I wanted you to eat you.
with your non dominant, amp, ok, you're right
did I want you to your entire dinner. With the left hand, does not know that sounds silly.
no? It doesn't understand you bring about waste year, creating new.
athletes your laying down new brain cells in your making new roads. If the road that you
no so well, Tony in your city gets blocked. One day when you do you
on the other roads, Yemen built them. So here your your road is great until he gets blocked and then all of a sudden cognitive dysfunction, memory loss smaller circle of you. If you built like twenty roads around that road, no problem, you still get your destination insight that now we think of the heart hearts got a blood vessels got a blockage, you bypass it, I'm getting a little bit simplistic, but it's the same sort of our people and our biggest very queer, so do something different ended. The crossword puzzles practice
makes perfect, but it is change that builds resilience. I think that's the key user non dominant hand take up a new hobby. You know what were whatever
be. My wife started painting with their non dominant hand, it does a pretty good job by the way,
this is the other cheek needed? No, she had so others most
you never drive, learning the language singing in other things you might enjoy, but that will cause you to use a whole different aspect of your brain. I learned how to
The ukulele. Did you really you're? My wife is
maybe you go way- retiring, go on Canada, variants, planning ukulele, but
I would have never my life thought I'd buy the ukulele its kind about you know it's by taking a tiresome or the piano ukulele, because it was so different
you're a sage. Your wife knows it is really different. Yeah. Do you think it's just a guitar but smaller no itself,
different strumming pattern, you you know, so I did it because it was totally different. It involved my motor cortex. I think, Hobbes, that you pick up the to involve your hands, painter, pottery, some sort of instrument it with great I buy used to plan according to when I was a kid I brought my cordiality
and started playing the accordion who play with body. In any more mean a bunch of italian waiters. Seen us about that, but you think of these things is being.
Intellectually, stimulating activities, necessarily here the fact that I learn things because I want to grow new brain cells. I play the ukulele because I want to grow new brain cells. It's a different way of thinking Tawny. Does it emerged where's, my own overshoes me? Maybe I'm wire gauze, I'm not learned so much
What is there? Someone went to dopamine already the major that calls and creating these new about ways or mass something new or that's something completely different.
Turkey's neuroscientist about the impact of creating these new pathways yeah. They didn't so much time
me about whether there was a objective dopamine release. What late it's cried, though, was a inability to see patterns that you'd otherwise mess. He asked enact dots that you would otherwise mess. I ask this: I got this away because I've been building these new pathways,
connect these two dots and they brought it up in a way Tony that suggested that's a very joyous experience, connect a pattern. You got it. That's that's how this goes together. Is that don't mean
please I, to be honest. I don't know his lawyers here now feels pretty good. When, suddenly, you find a connection like that, I think it's
makes me out. One thing I do know is you know that someone self esteem is greatly enhanced or diminished by almost
the only control events of those perseverance control there and you got up on the most important elements as women's that I respect about you personally and it's what the result. I think you're so good at what you do is you are incredibly good at pattern. Recognition. I taught me more time of night.
No you got drunkards. I've got young kids, I got em you you'll get unlike our grandkids, I like, I would get twenty boy and girl. That's that
was it a long time to some people, but I know a decade just like those in twenty forty. I read all these studies about. You know there
MAX word about like wanting to see a billion jobs disappear in areas like all great all the new ones. I'm sure we will launch her, but you know Sunday, you know that you look back in fifty years
we are like maybe seventy five percent farmers only let them out to three percent. It will be the world
when over a century and a half right now.
Strange looking like girl, stop driving cars, dream
five years ten years now, but it's gonna happen. Who's gonna buy new paper truck driver.
Towards eight hours to what's health insurance and might go on strike when making by vehicle that over twenty four hours a day,
have lower insurance bacon right down the costs so that you take Goober drivers truck drivers. You know you, don't you take that
over sixty five million people. In: U S alone, that's the entire job was that besides,
thousand eight, and so no one preparedness
it was a lot of things. I'm passionate about that's what they really want. People get your book is pattern. I think, there's three pieces that make somebody
powerful, but they do want to curb its a dancer singer. The best financial trader July, though some of the best people want the brides categories woody
debating, like you do and what makes them right pattern. Recognition is number one,
there's patent utilization. Five, you can see a pattern.
You can't be got to use a bird greater good and then, ultimately, what makes the master was pattern creation,
Those three patterns, what I'm gonna do my drank kids and my children, because that's what's gonna, make them doesnt matter. What job changes are those skills that will be there, but you cannot those skills, that's if not all this is launching by Islam. I totally agree with you are obviously tony. I mean, I think, that the the
one of the one of the not ironies. But one of the things I think there was a real insight for me- was basically what you're saying, but in the form of fundamentally
I do believe that people generally know the right thing to do so. In some ways it becomes a question of: why did you do the wrong thing right? You knew the right thing to do, but you
the wrong thing again, I'm telling you Tony, I mean people come to you for this sort of
knowledge of languages and your brother, but I think I just I think it's very interesting the coat near your pal, you perceive something. Is it that you didn't know the right thing or you chosen the wrong thing that Future EU bad judgment bad decisions on? Why is it like? What's the what's the at the root cause of the problem, and I think this
back to healthy brain someone, who's feeling better about themselves. Someone who feels more empathetic is wider circle of you. They are there. Aperture of life is wider they're, not looking so much in the reactionary moment there able to look further down the line,
and sort of imagined themselves further down the line, still having a good life further down the line that is, that is, that is in purple healthy brain. But I didn't you know like when you bring up the example of these drivers. You know five million jobs lost
like probably like you. I imagine your mind immediately went to so what do we do about that right? What we can do about that
a person who say what we can do about that they are able to have a wider circle of them. Your wanting to solve that problem, you know it's we gotta be thinking about you. Different levels of education would have to figure out what the next sector of society is. It's going to require these types of skills,
you didn't get consular healthy brain as opposed to a value system. Or do you think it's ok that that's that's about
fair question. I mean I don't think that it's it's not
similarly, the same for everybody, healthy brain doesn't mediately equate to disability. I don't think
How do you define they'll, be grain? Is that larger circle, but you care for and your prioritizing media that you, I guess at the core motorway
She is that I did I I actually I'm worried about these five million people. I mean now,
That's. My poor motivation is now looking at this from a strict policy.
standpoint. I'm real milling sympathetic towards these people, then I think the healthy brain part kicks in I mean it,
you immediate talents to be able to recognise patterns for some people, that's a real skill, its putting you on that in that direction of I'm going to solve this problem in energy is different ways to solve them.
You know I mean an educator, may look at this problem different than a than a you know, attack person, verses. Someone is a policy maker, but I cannot bring something to the table. Virtue. You ve designers is your book only about workers. Should your people have begun to book a task. You decided refinement new Tony now, strawberries, it. You know. I like a chocolate
you are, most people get overwhelmed when they read a book and then they don't. We didn't do anything with it and my whole thing. When I read a book even see I've got, those marks are still do tabulated self worth. When I read a book, I'm consuming
What am I gonna do with a girl? I believe, if you like, you're learning leading knowledge before you know
regional teachers and let your learning with action. That's how you really make a difference, realising the people you care about. So what I love was that, while we choking so capable book in here, but can you there wasn't just a little bit of an idea? Why, the twelve weeks, you know what sort of a key steps
Just so, we can get people ass information I gotta get out down and ensure that proper copy book as well yeah, that's absolutely any! When I, when I started to try and translate there's one thing, I did
Am I always do as I will try and bounds things in these things off my teenage daughters and all its prey the end, but I'm talking about the up, and they are many tat. Their sharp critics Tonia MECCA
dad, no credible economic, when I guess what I
I'll return, Landsbergis effort of it I do want to make sure you know, can can explain things and away. That's gonna be accessible for people, but the second in ethical appreciate this. I needed to be able to do it. My own life, yes, we're busy guy a lot of people are, and so you know it's great to suggest things, but if it's totally impracticable became misses the mark. To your point, I want action, not just the malady transmittable
so an m, and what would I certainly try to fear where people are already in their lives with regard to the big sort of basic things in terms of movement in terms of how they nourish in terms of how they work,
asked and I use those words specifically movement as opposed to exercise nourishment instead of diet. Rest instead, asleep begets. I wanted to explain what the value of these things were either that we know we know that it's good to move. We know that mean that that sound surprise we know that are probably doesn't make sense to either sit or lie for twenty three hours a day and then go to the gym for an hour and we can have no that's not. What I thought was interesting was at the brain
is different and if you believe the thing everything begins in the brain warming brain is health, as you can see, make all the best decisions and for your body or die at your relationships, then the type of movement for the brain is really important. We want to. We want to do a type of
movement that actually released as a lot of these neuro Trophic factors that brain cells- and we don't want at the same time to do things that diminish does nor trophic factors. So what is that translates to? And I'm not just making this up look at the data brisk walking is going to be far better than intense exercise. When it comes to your brain, you wanna intensely exercise, that's great, and you know you want to win your traffic.
time, fantastic, but if you're specifically thinking I'm right now engaged in a period of time when I'm not optimize, my brain is brisk walking. Why? Because the Neuro Trophic factors are released in abundance to brisk walking, but you do
the corresponding stress, hormones and cortisol in the effect right simple, as that?
times these things were not that complicated. So that's that's an example of of something I introduce people to sort of in the first couple of weeks and really explain
why and then I would lay or something into that we know connection is really important. Again. That's not you know
I urge. But what were learning more more is that it's the profundity of the connection and by the way I can measure that I can measure the depths of your connections and away one of the ways to develop a particular profound connection with somebody quickly is to be vulnerable to ask for help and its uncomfortable. But if you do that, you rapidly rapidly increase profundity and power of that connection and end. So you know when I was thinking about the things that I would ask people to do. It would be too to be to take a brisk walk with a close friend and talk about two problems. You think of that is brain sort of movement, brain brain sort of nourishment it is out of all the things I could tell you read these.
these these great books eat the certain meal. Taking a brisk walk with a close friend and talking about your problems may be one of the most beneficial things you can do for your brain overall, it gets it some of the biggest things, and I use that as an example of how a layer peoples through these twelve weeks getting on that point and that vote
ability and how to get to their vulnerability.
Writing letters had asked for help all that sort of stuff. What I never thought would be part of a brain book that those are the steps you need to take to get the optimization that we're talking about
as you know, and again subjects I like I'm about. There might be other. I guess it Bobby, I'm back it's because I can't you need. I think one of your great skills on stone screen is that you are a boy. You share information, but it's not just those lights like you convey
Oh your concern. You can feel when you're, not sure the answering you don't know the answer. You will say that was startled simile, torture, say other reasons: people, respect and love you so much. I think, that's beautiful give us will give us a one more piece
What about because personally procured on the surface and girl come up with a beautiful part about it is its own.
Other areas and you and I both know back forty percent rather than which research project really. What we do is Abbot ever seen. Lots same feelings
so your hold scripture by doing something different tasks into that, but to take something there
so natural and so easy and so effortless and the other about brazen something.
Is it any age right? That's what I love about this and it doesnt matter of their advance, the age, old or young, as something of Gaul desperately need, and what is what makes us more alive and makes us more more human. Give us another job if you were a little worried about barely justice with the d, the walking thing in the brisk walk, but that that is any. That was the whole point that you like. I think we were always
can choices in our life like all male who are thinking about their brains, pay people may who may be listening right now they thinking. Ok, I want to do the best thing for my brain:
like I would go for a run for my heart. Whatever is the national, my brain to eight? I really you know. I know that people sort of fundamentally understand this, but there are
best ways to live here. It wasn't just a random sort of way
were navigating our way through life. There is a best way to live for your body, for your brain, for your mind and all that now exists yeah, for so some
as you will feel like it. Just preordained. What's gonna happen, gonna happen, yet I will control. Do I have its very it's, this very sort of hapless sort of you no way of looking at things. It doesn't have to be that way that I, that that and that's not trying to make you do so,
thing. That's making you think differently about what is likely to happen or not. I think another, big ones.
yeah. We talked about the idea of discovery in the form of new hobbies and and preferably ones with your hands. I think when it comes to nourishment it's, it's a really interesting sort of paradigm. Because again, I fully believe that once people get to the healthy brain they're going to make good food choices it just it's like evolutionarily speaking
want to be here, but I am not doing nothing at all modes and doesn't like you do I didn't you for somebody. I want to be here when it when it comes
the nourishment in order to get to that healthy brain. We make those good decisions. I really do spend a lot of time getting very specific about sugar and I'm at the first. I did a sixty minutes. Peace on this years ago called the toxic truth. What you know about both took issue with, but the thing about it is, is that the brain is exquisitely sensitive to sugar. Let me get more like that. So, at a time when you're, taking in lots of calories in form of glucose
What often happens if you get all these receptors in your body that are basically saying come out in you know, tons of energy will store it. You know, and that's great and that ends up leading to overweight obesity, putting at risk of diabetes all the things that we talked about. What is interesting that the brain is that, as you saturate glucose into the bloodstream there, the brain, because it's so sensitive, can immediately turn off the receptors. So it just says it just shuts the door on it right, so you run into a situation where you may be overly indulging your body and starving your brain at the same,
fascinating. Children will have people again to remember that it was about obviously Thomas Georgian, but also the longterm snake understand this short term impact. Is that that's the wall? That's all the people talk about you, you you're the most creative guide in the world ten minutes ago, and now you
anyone. Think straight here I mean this is a memory loss. This isn't the beginnings of dementia. This is an acute phenomenon, is you're describing, but the problem tony it to your point, is that when you start to starve the brain that way, you set off these metabolic processes that are probably there were still learning about this: a breeding ground for fur, plaques, entangles and inflammation, and things like that that become a forest fire of changes,
your brain they could, potentially you know, will be set up for damage. I dont want to overstate at. I wanna be careful not to do
lasting everyone to much sugar is gonna get dimension, but you once you start to understand the process of what's happening here.
it'll change the way you eat right away, you just don't do it. I'm gonna eat the sugar
I'm going to start my brain and I'm going to. I know I'm going to not be able to think straight. I'm not going to enjoy myself. I'm not going to have this quality time with the kids. Why would I do that? You know it.
that that's another big one. While I as an aside, I know one corner of the other day that sad, the seventy seven percent of people who die of government get covered are obese,
it seems to be other than age. The highest other criteria began influence. You got him
when you talk about, people who talk about postponing brains, log and so forth in the majority of them are obese I was reading is today that in no way does it entirely on their sixty six million people missing hundreds what he called the DAS
twenty eight right, that's why try to get at low part of it has been over testicles forty times in the past by people with a bigger part. Is there not a beast there? It's pretty while where's the link between you know. When you see any link between what's happened with people, as some of us
that's a good afterwards, but are also related obesity in your mind or not, and obesity, obviously being the sugar uptake and bright were like Europe only well. You know I got I gotta. Firstly, it is an interesting when you will druthers comparisons between countries for sure tire on them. You wouldn't have six hundred thousand people have died of growth in this country in those other countries at that countered.
In the hundreds, maybe even though, in that some of that is certainly the matrix substrate of the country, the health of the country. Some of that money. You know I'll, be honest with you
This may not have even been be black swan event. The people. That's a silly talk about the relax one of aunt where you got this highly contagious virus that is also very lethal. This was highly contagious and it was very lethal, but you start talk. My ten percent mortality rates verses, one percent- that's a real, obviously, maybe disaster everybody got there.
Concern about no one talks about workers are still used to it right in what is a three thousand or for those people by the cancer heart disease. It was like, if that that's like
your online eleven happening every day, but your mom and dad, but you don't see it, and so I got used to it somehow or heart disease. Does the heart disease still the biggest killer in the country? Ass from a thousand people die of heart disease every year?
other covered. A disease that didn't even exist a year ago will be surpassed that so I think it is removed
when something I didn't even exists to go suddenly becomes the biggest killer citizens in a country, but nevertheless you know. I think that
the idea is crushing now, as we sought to think that we are starting to come out. The other side of
this united light on my face for the first time in a while. I missed you, look at me, my boy-
by where this is the basement closet. Where I'm talking to you from this is my life, sensory, deprived closet. For I mean it's the system
I wouldn't do this to my good friends or my worst enemies, but always beat beat the idea that it's gonna get better. I think, as is definitely true, but it has.
Has served, reveals or reminded of this problem. We have thirty percent obesity rates in this country, and that was one of the biggest risk factors for forgetting, really, second, even dying of covered in what we can do about that I mean
you know we're going to do lots of things different, we're going to be more pandemic, proof we're going to search for viruses so that they don't turn into that's as big a problem will create antivirals, read better public health, but we got it. You know it starts with us. It really does Wheatley see that how big a risk factor that was so what is recovery look like for you know that that's a big, nothing, big, big objective of mine, going forward to really take whatever good week and whatever inspiration week
this and use it for good, which is to get America healthier, because workers will have an impact. We can have an impact on the system, as we can only make me your brain, but we seem to be. You know our sources that too,
suitable industry, and I beg you great job wars that behind you so much of your doing departure. Absolutely anyway,
It is amazing how much we outsource about stuff. That's that's a really good way of putting it made. People spend more time figuring.
the grocery store in their local community than they do like their own medical care. I mean it. We are near what going back to
being a little humble about this and acknowledging you no blame part of that's, probably just a medical establishment overall over all these didactic is to top down people. People are
told what to do not always wider doing it or you know how to feel empowered around that. It's too bad there. There are countries around the world that spend hundreds of thousands of what we spend on health care every year and have much better healthcare systems because they don't out source, but we were brilliant in terms of taking care of and stage cancer. All these different problems, but just the basic care gets
lost, maybe that's the hubris of a wealthy country Tony. Maybe we always want to wait for the home run in touch down the knock out punch. We don't want to just lean into the basics. I would I. Why would I eat right? I could take the purple pill, you know, that's it. That's the metaphor eyes the offer.
just don't you, because you know you see, I e the metaphor, trying to get people as your doctors up there
I know you're in love it. Why do you do all this?
search we're ever imagined- they manage all those embryo, Volor he'll, be who's, gonna, be
version that, when I know, must be good sense like for you
we are trying to help somebody in your seeing all these people. I, like your drowning weren't, you jumpy and swim, say woman in theirs to say: do them there's more remote
the cops dreams you stolen in you
it's like in, and I look at that today, at its really fascinate him the solid new data coming out now. Would you dispute
New Amsterdam generics are legitimately with accompanying level. They ducas every two weeks is neither GINO breakdown. Does your genome is, as you know, is what is the light bulb, light switches, epidemics?
why that's what's gonna trigger attitude. We want the same dream of different wise, but what I love you I have you keep up
somebody literally every eye roubles, you not familiar with the company and every two weeks and meet all the new journals and it's an average of three million pieces of literature every two weeks. How the doktor ever keep up with that immunity have lightly negligence or what is now for five years animals reasons that event.
Thousands of jobs, and that's why you gotta be this. Your Barone help! It's why man you want! I want people to take charge because your little things that we can do the convention were being in that way. So, let's talk about those two words: nobody wants to think about within himself with your family
and that's obviously dimension Alzheimer's. What beautiful second party about very kind of you,
workers are met losing your mindful of bad language? Are you gonna, write and tell me what what,
by what do you know about science? Now they can help us not after the oldest or we aren't. You only want. What are some good things that we can do to
someone ourselves started, turn things around. What's the latest, I have shown us that there does
science is ism, revealing that we probably will have something that comes in the form of a farmer. Sometime did not alone
stating that at the beginning, to just give you a sense of we ve gone twenty years. Basically, fifteen
twenty years now without any new therapeutics yards? Alzheimer's, I mean possibly go
to be one of the biggest neuro degenerative diseases of our lifetime. We don't have anything really mean
Matrona, sounder magic, but just teach think about their forces and a macro level think about any other disease. That's gonna, be there prevalent always basically say were added to do you know. So that's that's! That's an issue when I, when I think from a scientific
Spected, though, is most exciting that there will be something exciting in that arena, but what I think is most exciting is that we can now be
realize the brain in a way that we couldn't before, and this is very relevant to the brain- was like a black box. A black box.
so something that you measure by its inputs in its outlets
You never really get an idea of the internal machinations of the brain. Now we can, because we can image it and measure it and then measure its function in different ways. So that's really that's really am, I think, very important in terms of determining what's gonna work best to basically handle
no a burgeoning sort of crisis of Alzheimer's and dimension as a numbers are increasing. One thing I found extraordinarily inspiring
in my case, although was presented, I think, is a piece of bad
news was that if you look at people with dementia,
what do you now know is it the process began in their brains decades? Earlier? Yes,
so near in their seventies, whatever eighties, and they have now diagnosed Alzheimer's, but we know from also data that people had their brand image. Dec
earlier, actually have the signs of a plaque entangled things at the associated with what they call preclinical disease. You have to believe you just want any symptoms, yet not people were horrified. Forty, five million people- they think in the country on this position. Right now to me that man,
one thing, which is: you can have a brain that has plaques entangles in it and still be functioning. Normally you to focus on just don't focused so much I'm getting rid of the blacks and tangles, because we know that you can still function normally, if you have those neighbouring. So what
where the people who continue to have these plaques entangles and never develops symptoms? Who are they? Why does it
for them, and how can I can I get myself into that position? That's why,
in so many ways, I'm simple fine! That's where the science, a sort of headed we noted with these people are, and that gets back to a lot of what we are talking about in terms of cognitive reserve, cognitive resilience, building those extra roads sought out. I don't have plaque in my brain- insisted that plaque that blocked the road. I drive us on a problem for me, I got fifty other roads. I can drive
and it mounted, and so do I have Alzheimer's. If you were to objectively measure plaque in my brain, you could say that
One who has evidence of Alzheimer's disease is a consequential for me. No
I'm having a cognitive lead, not only my living, a cognitive Lee, normal life, I'm continue to grow new brain cells. So that's, I think, that's that's one of the
Citing areas just overall about about we're
science is headed, there's gonna going to be all
other interesting things in terms of injecting ay, I platforms into our behaviour. Guess what is the best way by the wayside?
it's not ten thousand such for you you're, actually much better with nine thousand steps, and I returned
recall your mom on Tuesdays, because yours have a busy meeting on Tuesday afternoons
and running in the morning is deftly better for you, then running in the afternoon, there's gonna be a. I that's going to really injected infuse how we live, but ultimately, what I'm the guy
I think this idea that there is a best way to continue to require the brain exists, with despair out new bit the best ways to get there. There's your so many
he's right now, tubular brought, you know so much money going out just dealing with aging. You put the benefit, I think
Having a silicon valley in the kind of innovation as partners also has been welfare, that's ridiculous wealth it could never be spent, and these individuals,
now funding like the guys in Google types of resource that have never existed before just traditionally medicine, the books funds are blowing and were also studied. Digitize out right, you know, like we know
just before Christmas is an example of that, obviously or the new version, prime. They were starting another week a bit. The whole human mechanism is code, so every technology to be seen road. A week now
it for granted that you are on a hand. We gonna flounders, what a thousand times more powerful than are merely at the price of what there is to be all right, but you now grows, as we all know it.
all in its power to housing, its cost, but now digitizing health, and to me that's the most exciting
think about the time you and I are alive and in our kids and our grandkids I mean the way
literally, on the verge of breakthrough is not what people need to understand it, but they got to do the things you are talking about today,
long live then the juniors resolve this doctor Uganda agreed
How do you feel about me? I look. I totally agree with you. Don't hear here's the thing. I think- and this may be more of a philosophical discussion with him, I'm love to have with you in, and that is that, yes, we will figure out through
no mix through protein onyx through a lot of the the research it's happening in aggregating large data like that. So we can find these patterns and all the things that you're talking about and weaken edit Jean at it in the form of crisper and all these types of things. In order to what
ordered to live a long, happy life right right, my and I think it's wonderful and I think it's cool. I think it's great because it's it's it's an intellectual sort of pursuit that entire industries and and smart people get around,
deleting I'm saying this is the irony is that we don't actually need all that stuff to get there.
I agree with your brother- were creating technologies to solve the problem
results another way right an end? And that's that's! That's! Ok, I mean really is ok because you can like we sent a man to the moon. Why? Yes, what what? What did they do for us? While we got Jp S army a butterfly and golf balls of your Thomas vehicle? Will all these things in some ways derived from that's a lose all these halo benefits of saying I wanna promoting these, these one jeopardy there appeared x and all that sort of stuff part of me does thank Tony. That's we be better spent just doing the basics they get us there easy, cheap and focusing all that intellectual capital yeah bigger problems.
None of this- isn't a big problem, but like important life sustaining you know, we got like these huge things point where ones paying for the future like what does that mean right now, a lot of people. Think about that. You know, sir,
lower heavy rains which, by Europe
Financial means, are, we ll, be larger connections and a larger levels of carrying its end? To do that, because we care about somebody, you think about consequences in their light. That's part of that right, that's what compassionate you snap in their shoes, ass you- and I were three years ago yesterday- you were
please that really should thereby, like you and I were to go. There were the Vatican and there's a problem. The top does, every two years to regenerative medicine coffins stem cells, a big part of that blew up. It is not the peoples themselves are the policies. This is a gift, oh god, it's way to transform like you, and I met people stage three cancer. During all these different rare diseases
I was blown away. I got the privilege of being Mclean Speaker, the envelope of american banana withhold vague, and I got this. Experience of stem cells were torn by road. You took us so severely and silly snowboarding accident chasing a twenty five year old, who know more. It's all good bye
and I told him so bad at the pain- was nine nine and three different surgeons. Are that the only way you gotta ask your during? This is poor, there's no way and the little girl the process.
It's a journals, a hundred, strong browsing. It takes three six months be reopened like I'm at large.
Barbara became my friend was broken their competence and about my partner, he's gonna wanna founders themselves, a dog in the stem cells hears what a girl yours. What to do, I don't know
well now I did my spinal stenosis disappears would have progressed. I painted forging there's nothing to my shoulder, so I thought that was the breakthroughs in them with their undiscovered things like the wind, and it was amazing to be there and so
tools that are coming, and I mention those ice melting. Why won't people be? What did you do that? I'm out when you are barely it's good for people in all like, for example, they
Alzheimer's? I know what you see us out. There is a new video game. Upgrading is that complex, it's driving a car, but what all these distractions and is ill.
Those people who were the seventies and eighties within forty six weeks or use the US up to the same comment capacity. Somebody nor twenty is again like because
rocks you. When you have to recover and ass. I guess part of what happened. Sometimes now, subsidies, your point of view and you can get back to it. So distant tools appear bitter amazing. I want people know about it, but what
you I'm curious what you most excited about its coming. Besides, what would you do now left negating of usage? You know I'm in your corner seats,
your own elders will need to be. But what is done things come?
Somebody is already you're bad position. The biggest
These are sufferings that could make a difference in any of these years. Well, brain out there just anything around my job as a whole, but you're excited about well yeah. What did you call them at a conference on tourist about three years ago? I knew well ok, so that the conference, the cell based Therapy conference was, was, I think, you're a pretty indelible
parents for me as a sound like it, was for you as well. Here I am, I found a very interesting because
hasn't really been a lot of that? That's been a good regulatory pathway in the United States for stem cell, so I think a lot of times it gets ignored. To be honest, even Sigma ties the death because-
Many of the initial sort of four raise into stem cell therapies were now.
We're done an unregulated ways. I think it's written black in the eyes of themselves and what you
I saw when we went to the Vatican, which I also found quite interesting- that the you know a cell therapy conference happening at the Vatican with their dependence on it was very interesting, but what we saw was data from people who have more more
lacks regulatory pathways in their countries like Germany, like Israel, just doing studies on everything from
injured knees and painful joints to children with autism ass. I mean I m fascinated by it. I think that the the
knock was well, you don't have any data. Maybe this is gonna date be dangerous. There is data that exist.
Reminds me in some ways of the marrow want a story. I headed looking overseas to find the real data, because just that's that those studies were getting funded in the states and that happen a lot in the United States is well. Some of that was the collision of science and technology dating back to you. No two thousand two thousand one timeframe for those behind other. Can
He's really took the lead on stem cells, so I found a really interesting tony in and like you as my last time talking to patients. It just tell me about your experience. I obviously you and I connected over that- and I heard about your experience. One thing I'll never do as a doctor is spelled a patient. You didn't have that
happen to you. You, you didn't beneficial that who am I to tell somebody they didn't benefit from something. This is this? Is it
truism that always keep me it doesn't. I it is my job to make sure you're safe. I wouldn't you would not want you to training and harm you, but if you take something in your when you say you benefit from an unknown,
going to say no, you did not and a little bit of where we are with stem cells. Right now- and I think that this is just a fascinating idea- that you could take itself from your own,
body minimally manipulate them in an inject them back into your own body? What is that? A drug is at a device known as something totally different, your own body, you know, so I
I really took a lot a lot out. That's for sure, and I'm excited about there,
it answer. Your second question I you know, I think that the idea of to me in some way is this an extension. The same thing: we all contained the capacity to heal ourselves. Guess I don't wanna be careful when I say that, because our people who truly have problems that require
during his treatment, so I don't. I don't want to overstate that, but I think largely within us. We have the capacity heal ourselves of body and of mine, and I think the cell based therapies is a is a good example of that. Sometimes it's through this. You know we're going to take cells from one part of your body that are highly regenerative cells, inject them into another part and get the
that, I think is just really fascinating. I'm really fascinated Tony by the artificial intelligence and machine learning plot going through
you're seeing the stuff I'm seeing the stuff did. This to me gets back to the idea that there is a best way to live.
Aye aye envision a world where I live my happiest and healthier life, but I also because of the wonderful taken,
energy and an innovation around me that the perfect meal?
for me shows up.
However, I am at the right time that I need it. The right food right person right place right time that technology exists right now that we spend about
there. I read a study. Thirty to forty percent of our time. We spend thinking about food like what are we gonna eat m. I gonna try and almost
I represent the time we get it wrong, so we ve got all this time. Thinking
food and we almost always get it wrong. There is a right
answer out there. I know that Tony woke up,
morning: Tony had a late night last night, he's gonna need more protein before nine o clock. You know that juice that normally drink subtle upset his stomach that that comes at eleven o clock. You know, you don't know that stuff. You can't promise
I saw that. That's like the three million journals that the EP lifeforms reading, but that knowledge exists, so optimizing our lives through technology in a way that is frictionless just part rather expected.
good to be there when I need it. I am right as I'm getting hungry, the food shows up and it is the perfect meal for me that I know the perfect time to move. I know how to check in on my kids in a way to have those profound connection that I was talking about. I don't know what it's like was like when your kids are teenagers, but right now, like I'm struggle
I really don't I've three teenage girls in the house. At the same time, there was a little I write books about the brain and I to other stuff. I cannot figure out these three teenage girls. I get up economic dead right. This is a conversation, often as my head sitting, with the other good dead right Rebecca. You know. Yes, here's your good day whether they talk to me
worry us. Listen. You wrote a book about the cynics project about these super agers. I think you called their super rain people than their eighties
he's the kind of stability is. There are the same people their thirties. What did you learn from them? That was more
in some ways when another being a confirmation of what we thought was already pass ogre ogoni originally approached it as exactly as you as you describe, and we call them Super Brainerd, because in the context of things they still are, but there was really. You know that there was a few specific mutations that we find. That may be beneficial, but the thing that really jumped out at us- and we spend a lot of time talking the longevity researchers about,
but who are super agers super reigners knowledge and they haven't really basically said. Ok. Well, this is the super brain Jean. If you have this, you will have a super brain. It's the collection of things. It's almost always influenced. As you talk to earlier about the more about the environment and the epic genetics, even more than the genetics just about it was more a confirmation
The brain can, even as you age continued to get sharper, that was, there was basically at we met nine year. Old stockbrokers were still doing five digit math and their head. Just like that. He owes me I can't, if I did, I pray never could, because that was an abandoned. Did you wouldn't think that you would still be able to do those things?
and then do you know we think of memory. As I remember what about the grocery store when sage send you? The grocery store it might be, it's not that it's, it's really that ability to
to assimilate all these different knowledge in and make a meaningful the advantages that the key word. There's no vote seems like near my own experience that another scientific back.
Now is the more meaningful. It is the more connections you making the brain right, the more you remember the morn spare and saw the things that are meaningful. The people associate meeting both things. They remember that emotion,
you don't ask anybody. Where? Were you nine eleven to remember the moment, you're about anybody, even in other countries, will tell you
where we want to live in the same year. In other closures, information without emotion is barely retaining, but when its meaning own there's an emotion connected to it, I think my guess
I'm not a neuroscientist, you gotta be making more connections
brain and therefore more roadways to be able to hang on information out, you're the. So so it's it's very true, and
it actually has led to a whole new way of thinking about things when we
strong emotion, associated with an event you tend to release,
A lot of the same adrenal, cortical, stress hormones that we talk about that. That's a fighter fly Tina, yellow stomach universal queasy. Whatever might be, that's that's all that
the physiological response. What we also know is your blood pressure goes up. Your heart rate goes up and
Stress hormones. Actually in a way, sir,
here the memories into your hippocampus, even strong. That's actually true what is,
fascinating, Tony again unit. You read so much. You know you may know this already, but it can be too much right. You got to the point of post, traumatic stress,
what year, incurring the memory over and over again and repetitive in its destructive and what people have started doing, based on the knowledge that you just described,
is actually giving anti hypertensive many
patients in the emergency room. Someone has,
a traumatic experience, Amato law, their blood pressure, be
when I lost their blood pressure, fewer stress hormones, less likely to become an impenetrable repetitive, destructive memory, fascinating,
right, so fat is really doing. My mail Sunday remain now people who had from that I get hit by a car in the bicycle women who have been raped. You know the entire pretences, a beta blockers too. You know people take
never done it, probably not because it would take away your energy, but sometimes people with terrible straight stage fright, will take a little beta blocker before they go out on stage its the same type of medication. To basic
bring down your stress hormone levels and make it less likely to be a destructive memory. While today
You got something in the book. This dimension Billy
job? It was an Amsterdam. Remember correctly said about that.
You learn from it and are used to play with doktor lingers work. Where back it was no nineteen remedies as she's upon America's those not familiar with it work
She did a lot of work with the people in their seventy and seventy wake me seventies about driving this properly.
I remember she put him in a monastery. Just tell me the story.
it happened. I read about it later, but once you basically gave us haven't you,
back in time she made the monastery were all the pictures Reuben when they were young there twenties was the clamour, their twenties, underrated,
and the music and ask them to act like an image of a group which you put in the same monastery, but they didn't act like
they didn't change the visuals allowing
They change, like a variety of things like these, that are Strader depositors, better you're. Those are things you ve just thought, but they're here
increased and their sight increased, and now you have for the quality of their lives and Greece are used and they will ask
Can you give us any feedback about dementia village? How do we deal with people as they age so bad? Besides, all this about some past the environment, because the biggest thing I got from her was the expectation, the expectations of the people around you,
radically. Is that the unconscious thinking of me? I know this obviously of how people, with
so in our culture is people get older? Very often it's different. What say you know asian culture where sometimes elderly is wisdom. I got you use the about, but we still use obsessed it's a little different so
you rushing down? It is my understanding and how is this, the expectations of the people around us and our expectations of ourselves, of that? How are you
age or how will our minds of brains, work than anything you want to hear about the major buildings are very interesting. I didn't you, you ve got me thinking Tony right now, because
I read some of langers work at this is from
thirty forty years ago you, I did not even know some of those findings about improves senses and things like that. It's how interesting skeleton and hearing so let me give you an answer
Limit limited about dementia village, which I just thought was really interesting. It was basically rooms too hot
this nurses, who were friend
In the end they were sitting around talking and about some of their worst fears for their own parents, and you know, given that they take care of people in these these settings. They sort of both came to the conclusion that one of the worst things that was, if one of their mother pants, developed, Alzheimer's and needed to be in a
patient medical facility of some sort. They found that all those types of set ups, but they had seen work
Dehumanizing they didn't actually change the outcome at all or improve the outcome or lengthen the duration of life. It was basically just
They really really sterile unfamiliar non empathetic holding round for people go slowly becoming losing their their memory, so they wanted to create something:
front, probably some of it, was based on langers work, because there was this belief.
with music that the more that you can actually immersed someone in things that are familiar, the better it
overall for them in terms there are thinking in unnecessary
we bring back all these memories, but their thinking in their judgment in their ability to interact with, would improve so what
He did was Missus an Amsterdam. They basically just bought a little village and and
the entire village, I'm Talkin movie, theatres and hair salon in restaurants and piano bar, and all these things and
living accommodations into a village- everything
resident there as dementia, every
A person who works there is a caretaker they they live in. These settings like if you came for me, a engines
background. You would be any housing that would be with people who are familiar to you, artists, with live in another area, people who are busy
people would live in another area, so they get immersed them in that sort of comfortable familiar setting here end the eight
there are two things I jumped on me. I love doing the story because I just thought it was a really humane way to take care of people just like the baby. They were happier
there are not being medical Ized, it's more just world. We recognise here's what you
is happening. With your your mind in your brain, here is the best way to live in. That's it religion. I thought that was beautiful. They also found that, like you, promise on a longer studies, people live longer, they took fewer medications, they ate better, they reported better happiness scores. Their families reported that her happiness scores all this stuff. It was. It was really remarkable and when we did the cost analysis on this, because people immediately said well, what do we do that? The United states
Why doesn't do you know? Why isn't something in Florida, Gallaphrone, Texas, in places where people retire, that Arab are these villages? Well, there you, anyone can do the costs now sound and I did it's cheaper, so you can create these villages now and recognising that there's gonna be a large number of people who develop dimension
the next few decades and really understand that this is a really cost effective.
but also a humane way to take care of elderly people who develop these problems. I worry about this myself.
Grandfather. Had dimension, I thought my mom, maybe she'll, still developed dimension. I, like I'm a doctor. I live in this world and I still don't know exactly what the right thing to do in terms of facility and here and all of that he has never person figure that out think about
village searching for the Susa had a time like you do sing the pattern which is very evident in doing something about it. That's what dimension villages was really all about less still another subject that sounds
These simple boring, but you talked about eating all sleep covered rest either.
this attitude, I gotta be honest, happens all only a few years ago and probably some specific points that you didn't doubts,
I'll sleep when I die Unama, four hours born out of our asleep, regularly gets along with five very consistently. I get six. You know maybe once or twice in a month, maybe seven. Every two months now reads
but we have tried worked really hard to change that goes. I read. Some studies
The gloomy way was the one point, sixty five billion pursing experiment which, as we see every
single year. Do you not agree that some go past about EU others, one? So let the experiment that we do and tell me a little bit
restlessly experiment being daylight, saving time what we ve learned about its logistically round heart disease, for example. So this has been a big topic of discussion for some time bait,
probably going back to our early agricultural days. We were as daylight. Savings came from in the first place, but really trying to understand the impact overall on are. I think it was that there was a productivity study that was part of it, which has, moreover, all life expectancy and all that and how that was impacted by daylight saving. I think that's it.
You're talking about right, yeah. Well, so I really do have the brain of the idea that what are they just twenty four percent, more hijacks writer, after with an engagement, but will we go back? It drops almost proportionally twenty three percent less, for example, being my grandma blame.
for just just that. One hour change for our society
when our change that gave us that much more rest, you know what her yeah, you know. So I think there's lots of good data about the health benefits of sleep. I mean there's been little encyclopedias written about this, and- and I am like you in that- I know those things, but I still will try and hit the corners in terms of how much sleep I need right. What what I think will resonate with you Tony, because this resonated with me is that most of our memory, most of our ability to actually recall things that process by which those memories are stored,
and during Sleep Remsen right, may well get written rem, sleep and end when you're getting that good quality sleep in your storing those memories. That is that, as the movie track of your life,
Those are your memories. That's your narrative! If you aren't getting it,
maybe I'm all. These amazing experiences: you are getting a sleep. You will not recall those experiences as well if at all later on in life- and I just said,
that is almost again a little bit of a broader work. It taught by the health impacts of lack asleep, but if, if your goal is to have a life that you can continue to replace
the wonderful movie track narrative in your life. You can share those experiences with others. All that you want to remember these things. You need to get good sleep. It's just that simple. You need to actually sleep at the time you're having these experiences, so you can really impregnate these memory.
Into Europe. A campus Dama gives us all time by the way, when they're trying to side to stay up all night cramming, or do I get some sleep? Probably it's a pretty when you, when you understand the brain, it's a pretty easy answer: Lizzie another rinse cycle that happens in the brain,
well when you say that you have something away these metabolic by products and we talked about earlier and bake. If they don't get Vienna efficiently cleared, they can be a breeding ground for inflammation dementia. All the things that we talk about so yeah, there's all there's all kinds of good reasons to get sleep. I I would say for you, just as your friend, please
more sleep n eat. I realized I do I mean by Edel called bought land where Tele one your friend right. We don't always practice what we preach your friend, but others where there is one thing I know is what gives measured gets used.
to make improvements, organise our work will. But I asked we now cages about getting enough sleeping
did. We round is, I know, that's where they have begun, the stores, your memories and you do that. You know that's gonna bet you didn't get that round sleep. It's got back to capacity diary to sit in the short term but like if I started, ask you about a year ago, herb periods in your life for your really getting poorer sleep. There are going to get blurry on you. Never some wonderful experiences that happen there. You know it it is. It is really interesting. Tony. I think you are really one of the most relentlessly positive people. I know so
say that they are getting getting more simple, make you happy or because I really feel like you're you're, the guy envision. I mean I I I've told you this before I'll say it again. Sometimes I need to imagine someone when I'm writing. What is the embodiment of of the good that I'm trying to elicit? You know in the in the readers mind, and you are often the person that comes to mind. If you really are now you just it's the energy, it's the relentless positivity I feel like you are always so kind to me, but I think you are just the kind of person kindness to me when I got what I really think I've learned is that kindness to me is the ability to be kind, but I think, almost more importantly, it's the act and the ability to interpret other things as kindness. You look at how people behave and you see the good in them and that's it. That's a profound kind of kindness in, and so you really but the imagine you won't sleep. All that already have will be like turbo charge. So I think you should definitely tony ants
leave. I hope that this part gas warnings that people do is well, isn't something eurozone, beautiful things. When I will show you, the UN's girl get out others. What am I gonna Acta and you're? Not gonna. Do everything, but you know, are you gonna, say? Ok, I'm gonna create a brandy out before I for twenty minutes
They walked with my wife, my grandma
Poverty is I'm due to speak. I wanna make choices,
one more, our thirty more minutes, whatever the pieces are that you get your or from the two greatest book here that you just make a habit, because you want things: people,
is how easy it is established, habit the habits. Jacking is what do you see his ways like you brushing your deep me: do you bite and with the same point and got a while you have to think about it, just happened or just darling small. I think that's what a great things that you do. Is you make things easier:
reach will shut you down you my bill, agony of it and then all you do is next step. You increase one percent you presented in. No, you don't have your honor push up, you know, or just
eliminating the decision. You have
all the researchers doing something every day is easier than three times a week. Have why certain certainly?
I got in the morning. I do my whole point
more and was never wanted to forge Wilbur examining every morning and there's not a question,
negotiate what myself it just happened. So why would you want a new life? You can turn a positive habits, but if you learn something just becomes cognitive, there's useful means of useful information
but will you retracing anything? I just want to produce new products, something really important. Just those memories
remember everything remember what we deal but we're gonna member certain moments and relax magic moments. I call the minutes late.
I remember one time, but one thing I felt like it up. We build anything, but the one thing I didn't feel factor that wasn't somebody's die spent
when someone is dying of diseases incurable ass, they rode away
do when I reported as I have about within myself and what else
this man. I just look. I do to help him in his like, I thought you know I can have in polish up his memories, as I spent two hours is asking you questions, which I naturally do anyway and other people, but his life, and we ve been through in the lives of his life and the biggest challenges lindsays was proud of. Inviting was grateful for and I watched his men come to life with a level that was just so beautiful. The procedure
Sunday was stabbed you not one question or do but one after another after another- and you know you
I know that you are you gonna, ten minutes of anger
and it's gonna suppress Europeans is not about forty five minutes, the two hours in which research tat you re right, but I found that you can see that positive emotion and it flow for hours after that and it starts to create a different patterns in the brain and southern brings up one more question: I want to find a russian for your net is there's a boil at a word that was becoming session in the last twelve months, and it is not necessarily the one. The over use of this thought antithetical to almost all
progress, word about poor little were really is relating to how we take risks. Finance inside you know it's like you look at people today. Now everybody colored being
driving force. It is like Norris again a women meal simpler.
that last June, that gets you be in school right. Your arguments related three feet. Studies versus its needs studies you up, but today, regardless of the individual issue,
why do you think you're staying home? It's like I'm gonna, stay all member to stay away from everything where this year, whereas the asymmetrical
reward is like you know. More than two million people die every year of car accidents right, you know, and you and I both know
rather than a street there's all passengers on the other side of the street was not the debate in this crazy or this person is drunk or dispersal leaving their tax or this person is falling asleep from cross line.
The only goes it happens every day, but we still driver cars. Why does because nobody method I met balance.
Culture that has now been pushed to no risk so that we stop real lives. What your view that I'm curious? Well, I think I think it's really good point, because it there's a couple things. I think when we talk about
risk to some extent. It does. I think matter when we have
wait something what our level of control is with regard to the outcome: yeah where's, something that sort of you know we feel like. We have a greater sense of control over, which is why people will tend to drive and set a fly, even thinking flying plays a lot safer
Is that all you relinquish control? You know, you know there is a human instinct to to feel like you're in control with covert verses,
accident. In answer to the same thing like I'm, I'm with car, I feel like I, you know I can actually get into a car accident. There's no question, but I feel like I've read or controls
of it. It's this thing, that's floating out there in the air. I could become infected all of that and then there were
Also the notion that I'll even know what this does to me longer term and I ll be the brain fog and along hauling symptoms, but fundamentally tony. I think this has been one of the great mornings for me during this whole
Is that if I come to you- and I say something has a point- five percent mortality- this is it
that doesn't even the right number blushes say. That's member for this this discussion. There is a group of people who was eight point: five percent mortality, so you're telling me one in two hundred people will die and when, my goodness we better be careful, we got up in a really protect ourselves, unwanted,
two hundred another population people hearing the same objective data will say
you're telling me I'm ninety nine point: five percent good. What's the class right same data, but the issue a little, so that's just the truth right and that's not how people's minds
but I think what what I learned in the inside beyond the fact that the subjective interpretation of objective data so different, is that it
who are living a life where you don't have to really take risks in all EU point. Five percent could be a lot. Would you put your kid at a point, five percent risk of mortality, which you say if that was the issue right. If this was something a predominant affected, kids which occurred at that risk, probably not you know who you are
in spring break, but two point: five percent mortality enough. I wanna do spring break anymore rights of that sort of thing. On the other hand, if you if you are,
frontline worker and essential worker somebody has to be out there. You taken risks Alla time, anyways you
around the ninety nine point: five percent good in this breaks down across socio economic lines
extract across racial lines there soon health inequities, so you're you're. Actually, right I mean I hurried. How do you evaluate risk? I mean I am surprised, sometimes
why I've had friends of mine who say well, they told me that it would be a point one percent chance of this happening. So, of course I didn't do it
and I was saying they are telling your point one percent chance, because I'm trying to tell you the preponderance
likelihood is that it's not going to happen exact were not willing to take the risk. It's just that it's it's I think impart based on where you're coming from, but its fascinating to to analyze the human behavior. It's also, though, a part of it is the narrative that we give both in our education system about media systems, all the systems that people start to do about. We want the best. If this country certainly was
about my people, get to gigantic risk. That point one that point by an you for my own part. I would look at it differently and sell gay. What is what is the cost of avoiding that risk, as the bees is missing in these discussions will happen and our society is no should there. Let me ask you one final question:
and why would you forever, but even so generous of your time? I really quarter of the Nordic a lot from Europe making notes here. Turning continents, London, I understand it there
the japanese worthy gets. It could not be guys Asia, it could, guy guy, which is really your sense of meaning and purpose. What is your lucky guy.
Why are you you and I'm a good one? I have. I have a very
article one and I have a sort of more profound one. The practical one stems from the belief that I think that I can help figure out some problems to solve
here and- and I like taking, I dont mean this in a way that that that sounds uninspiring, but I'd like to tackle problems that I feel like I can solve, have an impact on inside that these other problems that we deal with as a society. Our big problem,
but childhood hunger to me is just an absolute travesty. I just will never understand it. I went to Somalia a couple of times and I covered the famine in Somalia and that was probably have covered wars, natural disasters, all kinds of things that was by the worst story in the hardest story, I've ever covered under the thousands of children starving
to death starving, I mean we are going to figure out these amazing things and we're gonna come up was wasted due proliferate nuclear weapons and a deep deal with climate change. Hopefully, in these things, children should not starve to death, and I now preaching t I'm not, I don't mean to sound preacher, but it really was just so like that's something we could solve drug crops. You know figuring out what
to what the climates gonna be like in these areas. Pre positioning, food, there's, no reason that should have happened and without any major breakthrough
they sort or even allow money for that matter. We could actually solve that problem everywhere in the world everywhere in the world. I think I think the statistic is that I'm gonna get wrong. We're think about one in six children, the United States, wake up food in secure dry, that's crazy! Like come on wheat! That's when we can solve
you and I could solve this problem should not be hungry again. If we actually decide you know. So, that's that's! That's a big guy for me and I think the other one is a sort of more general which is that going back to the very beginning of this discussion. I dont want to be the guy that was running in place. While I was here on earth, I dont want to run in place. I feel I could sing unbelievable gift weeping
on this Goldilocks planet. I have my parents to thank fur and doing some incredible values. In me. I am lucky to two uniting recently have reasonably good judgment and be curious about the world, and I want to just experience it fully
You know I don't wanna be. I want to sound pollyanna Cyma solve all the world's problems, but I think it's a great crime do not fully appreciate this gift. We
and given- and does I mean having a lot of fun yeah? Does it mean doing important work? Yeah? You know all those things together. That's beauty!
Obviously, I am
your values. I know you know and die
made out a thousand meals in your name just now. This conversations the aliens eating America in your name today. I won't do that, just as it had just like you a lot there in a million people a year there, because I'm looking to create those solutions
the minutes prize that I'm doing in partnership with Mohammed Venza
at the embassy from his highness from the USA.
Twenty million dollar prize to feed the next billion people worldwide and brings.
and the smartest minds together to that site
Well, I'm with economic coordination, and your name does as a token of Irish. They should be your time in your energy adverts
people saw your Sunday,
everyone here can experience. You are it's not just going smoke you're, just at your incredibly humble man, your parents I should be.
You, you should be honoured day. I know they played a role, but then you ve made your own choices along the way. Your gift to us, because you're always looking for solutions in your gift just because
that same vulnerability in that saved up of carrying, then I hope you're. All dealers
all those in medicine only form of healing more model if they haven't already by your example
He dearly my friend in everyone. Please go optic, upkeep, sharp right little change your life to have. Somebody may be that you love as well doktor signing up that. Thank you for your time. Rather, Mr Tony Robins, I love you like a brother. Thank you for your time lasting steal it.
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