If you’re going to succeed in anything, if you’re going to take your life to another level and make a real breakthrough, then you need strategies. Whether it is in your relationship, your career, your health, your finances, your happiness – you need to know how to make the shift. Tony Robbins has spent the majority of his life looking for the strategies that bring the quickest results, in the shortest amount of time with the most enjoyment and the least amount of pain. And one of the most powerful strategies he has discovered is modeling.
Success leaves clues. If someone is consistently successful, they aren’t just lucky, they have a strategy that works. And if you study them, you can figure out what it is, and you can learn and adopt their patterns and save yourself decades of trial and error. This modeling strategy is so powerful, that it has become the lifeblood of some of the most accomplished people in the world, including Tim Ferriss.
Tim has been listed as one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Business People,” one of Forbes’ “Names You Need to Know,” and one of Fortune’s “40 under 40.” He is an early-stage technology investor and advisor (including Uber, Facebook, Shopify, Duolingo, Alibaba), and the author of three #1 New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestsellers: The 4-Hour Workweek, The 4-Hour Body and The 4-Hour Chef. His podcast, The Tim Ferriss Show, has exceeded 100 million downloads and was selected for “Best of iTunes in 2015” and helped set the stage for his latest book, Tools of Titans: The Tactics, Routines, and Habits of Billionaires, Icons and World-Class Performers.
Tools of Titans contains the “distilled tools, tactics and ‘inside baseball’ you won’t find anywhere else. It also includes new tips from past guests, and life lessons from new ‘guests’ you haven’t met” – from their morning/evening rituals, daily habits and workout regimens to their core beliefs, values and perspectives. Yet Tim doesn’t merely relay the information, he has taken it, vetted, explored and experimented with it in various situations to yield this 600+ page tome full of high-leverage tools that could completely change your life.
In this episode of the Tony Robbins Podcast, Tony sits down with Tim Ferriss to discuss the evolution of this book and what Tim has discovered about himself during the process. They delve into the power of good questions, building on your strengths and shedding your limiting beliefs. They examine pattern recognition, internal synthesis, and what it means to cultivate happiness. They explore some of the greatest tips, tools and tactics Tim has learned from people like Peter Thiel, Chris Sacca and Peter Diamandis. And they have a candid discussion about coping with the darker periods of life, and how Tim’s perspective on his life’s mission has changed over the years.
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I do any audio. This is the person who is behind the scenes. Working with me. Thank him air accident figures. Today, parliamentarians, I'm excited TIM Ferris. I listened to the conversion of the pipe cast. I love it. Many of us met Timothy Ferris in two thousand seven when he wrote the number one near times, and Wall Street Journal best seller the for our work week. He since written before,
our body and the flower chef, but he's got a new book out comes out December. Six tone tells about tools of titans is called the tactics, routines and habits of billionaires, icons and world class performers TIM is done.
Hundred interviews on his podcast us and most brilliant people in the world any synthesize them he wanted to create you take a month from self and make sure he was using in applying the best of everything in learning when a great his own kind of cliff notes, and now in this one book we get the cliff notes on the best of the best, so I'm very excited kind of division and ask him first, I note in person, has been a dear friend of mine for many years and most people, they see someone incredibly successful. They don't know when it took two can in that place, and so I want to find a little bit about what created TIM Ferris, as we now have. What makes this guide go also want to get into what are some of the actual tips apple? We learn of his background better some one that stood out to him out of all too entered interviews. What are those strategies, those tools that you can apply to improve the quality of life mentally emotionally physically? Financially,
and then finally, one of the questions that have unleashed most of his learning most of his successes. We both the great questions, are the answer. So, let's get to it the man about to introduce a deer franny someone I respect immensely. I somebody walks is talk any somebody that is had ninety million of his main upon
Download, at its extraordinary the one and only TIM Ferris are you do and TIM
Thank you so much guys, it's a pleasure to be here and for those people listening after that intrudes all downhill from your term. It's always grid to visit the orange I've been on your show three times, even so wonderful.
And I'm excited that you're gonna show the best of what you ve learned in this new book tool. The tightens the tactics, routines and habits of billionaires, icons of world class performers, but before we get into the interviews- and am I want to get into you because
you're such a fascinating human being, I know you as a dear friend, but your fascinating evils, a friend I love it. If you'd start up, I may be telling us
What's the genesis of TIM Ferris where this man come from, where does it
hunger and strive to find answers, and I just find them but to experiment and prove that they can be replicated. Where did we do
now comes over you. I think about the point two
The origins of at least some of the habits and.
Drives that I have. I would go back to first way way back to my early childhood. I was born premature,
and was in the ice you for quite a long time still have rest
Torreon long issues and scars from having blood transfusions or at least having the bourgeois oxygenated
and I was a runt? I was run to the letter. I was a very, very small kit up until that six great in my parents did have a whole lot of money. They probably made lesson
the grand so per year combined, but do what they said.
We don't have budget necessarily for new books. You know, I'm sorry, we don't have budget necessarily for new bikes or,
baby guns are one out, but we always have a budget for books and we would go to the local bookstore and
look at the remainder table if we wanted to
my brother and I get books, and that was really opening up the world a potential to me.
My parents made a very clear if you, if you study and you do old in school, you will be able to do anything that you want to do
if that was the belief system that they sat in me, my brother and my mom
always exposed us too many different things. You take us to the beach to collect black sand with magnets. She would take us to
comic book conventions. Wherever we wanted to go, she would support us and
allow us then, with her with her enthusiasm.
To explore the thing she never forced us to take any piano lessons, although I did take one of the french and who do data for free. I should
air force us to count to ten in French in front of people at a dinner party? I think we're weird like that we will. We were forced to perform like trick, ponies or anything. That's where I think the curiosity comes from
the performance aspect, any replication and
all that I think, came a little bit later
around the age of fourteen or fifteen on it,
again, very seriously to compete and wrestling. My mom had very smartly put me as a runs into kitty wrestling because Hyperactive and
it is really only sport or I wouldn't get my ass kicked by everybody, because because they were those wait, class based rights, the sixth devout weakling versus the other, sixty pound weakling, but one of them yet to be king of the hill or at least here
and what I realized pretty quickly and wrestling is that weight cutting is very big, partly sport and if you get really good at way cunning,
and by my senior season, I was cutting from one seventy eight at the time to one fifty two twice a week, which is very unhealthy, all my god. He s itself
it's a lot away and then you re hydrate in say anywhere from eight
twelve hours and it was a very difficult practice. But to do that, then I'm not a
don't play in the internet, not by any stretch recommending that. I think I still have some awesome, some some injuries and
Efficiency because of that, but that the point being to pull that off with in still retain some competitive
Gee you had to understand sodium. You had to understand potassium,
during diuretics. You have to understand. How do we hydrate sodium linkage in all of these things, and I became at that point, the Human Guinea PIG and our test things and training that I could then applied a carpet.
Action and ultimately got too that the national stage my senior season, but is at that point that I
did. I started teaching my my wrestling teammates
how to use some of these tricks and realised that it was replica. But it wasn't just for the kid with the bad left, lung and the thermal regulate.
Problems and that that really kicked off the obsession with Israel.
Performance enhancement, and then, when I got to ended up going to Princeton, which is a funny story and of itself, as my my guidance school cancer
oh me. I should shouldn't even bother applying.
To some of these rights, and Tony you'll appreciate this one at what I. What
what I realized later. I was like ok, first meeting last meeting thanks, but no when they realise leaders that people respond to incentives in the skies, incentive
was what it was to say what percentage of his students got into their first choice,
which so how do you make that is easy as possible. You lower all the kids expectations you make them shoot for lower schools is terrible thing, but to present its own right and I went to print it than I
I started in the Neuroscience Department within psychology, and I realise that all of the olive
the OECD, that I'd applied to physical performance could apply to mental performance and that in fact, there one and the same their interrelated. It's it's all.
Same machine ends. That's
is really where I think all of this craziness began its role, grateful for the craziness
You it's not have been an easy road for you. There is a stage you share with me in college, I member correctly, where your.
Concerning suicide. You talk about suicide in this book, which not a topic. Most people would talk about, tell us a little bit about that cross roads for you and how you move from weakness to strength,
Those are the darkest the darkest period for me for sure,
and those hard to write about took me to to the chapter about this.
Those are my senior year end, the I'll try to keep it concisely
Ultimately, there are a number of events that all happened in a short period of time
they ve been spread out. Maybe it would have been able to handle it, but I am I wasn't getting
hired or I wasn't making it to final interviews for four
a job after graduation, which was the first time. I'd really failed in any type of competition like that.
That makes sense and always done so well in school, and I wasn't by it by any stretch the smartest kid at Princeton there, many many smarter kids, but to be completely reject it
not even I'm not getting a passing great, it's a yes or no, and I was getting to know then a girl for the time left me
because I was becoming to needy and insecurity to the jobs of then my senior thesis,
eyes or in its important understand it at many schools, including
then that the senior thesis is about twenty five percent of your. For
I urge EPA, it is a huge deal and is very heavily weighted and my
senior thesis adviser, one of you to incorporate a huge stack of regional
Companies language research into my thesis. I was then at that point in the EAST Asian Studies Department,
and I realize I was going to make my deadline there's no way. I was going to finish thesis after trying to do it with without any success for a while, and I went in to talk to him,
simultaneously. This I got a surprise job offer from Berlin
because those interviewing one of their folks for my thesis- and he said it's too bad- that your graduating later,
this because the job opening is now- and I thought to Myself- well, here's a chance to kill two
of one stone. I can leave work. Four bullets get some experience, maybe I'm a job after school end. I can take extra time to finish my thetis,
so I told my area
Weiser this in a meeting and he flipped out and in a fact he said you was going to cop out you're going to quit. Okay. Well great, if it beeps like this is another talk about perverse incentives. He wanted to publish some of the work that I was doing or at least present. It
and I was I was his unpaid intern end by
Delaying my graduation. I screwing up that plan. At least that's what I seem to be the case and she
really furious and he said Duff if you can take this time off, which I had two because the
Jesus wasn't gonna get done, otherwise this better be the best
so I've ever seen in my life and in an ineffective saying, I'm your tail fresher. Yet no pressure, I don't want to be the best and he was effectively Samuel tank. You, if
if you leave- and I felt like us- feel a rock and a hard place went to the
illustration. I think this is when things started to take a turn. Even for the worse,
was, I went to the administration because Princeton talks a lot
at undergrad. First, under its first, we focus all our energy on the internet
what are you to a few different folks and their collective response? Was he wouldn't do that now?
the heat power dynamics at an institution like that are really wonky end up. People generally don't like to pick fight with tendered professors. It's a bad idea,
because they have an immunity bracelet. So I was, I completely abandoned ends,
deceived by the university and ultimately decided to take the you're off accident.
I got a choice and
Well, it's inform me that I would be not working at the main office, which I thought I'd be doing. I would be working remotely from my home and that is not a good thing. If you're trapped in your head to then be trapped in a house by yourself side too,
roommates who just graduated Princeton end were going about their normal. Ninety five,
they would leave and I'd be stuck in this house by myself. Looking at hundreds of pages on the floor
and very quickly figured out that
These are just wasn't gonna work. The way that my adviser wanted me to put together and assert panic,
I started to spiral out and tell me.
If these stories, such as I've wasted
my parents money, they ve. They end my ex
and family had all pitched together, and I got some scholarships but not much to get me to print
in and I'm gonna attacked for the senior thieves
and I've wasted all of their money, I've I've been
appointment and if I enabled
is, if I somehow contributed to ending up in this situation,.
I'm a failure anyway, I'm not going to succeed. Why? Why would I want to be a burden to other people and that type of thinking
Scott darker and darker in darker to the point where I was walking through a Barnes Noble
just really stumbling around not doing anything. In particular, I think I was getting a coffee and I wondered in and all
one of the tables was dispute.
Book about suicide, and I thought how
I'm looking for a miracle, maybe this is the miracle and I picked up the book and I read it and for the first time in weeks I was
really excited because I felt like I found. The answer was like ok. Well,
coincidence, or not circumstances have conspired to bring me to find
this book me. This look at that matter prevents whose I've been having do your own swiss lines that we resume. It was important that we ourselves suicide character. It was, it was in this area in the self helps actually knives and the self Herbert sexting. Maybe
The self hurt section at the bookstore so yeah. This is a book about work in and how they perform
assisted suicides and things like that, so I went to the people.
If you found all these books- and I just I was very
Should I finally found something that I was excited about books I felt like. I knew what to do, and I went too far
as the library at Princeton University and end. I requested a book that I couldn't fight.
Was on suicide, and it was out of sight of that's high pressure. Academic institution for like somebody else's, would do
reading it and now the same idea of hope
raise about awaiting last year's awaiting us, as I gotta be rings of back, and ultimately it was just sheer chance that saved me. My
I had not updated my mailing address with the registrar, so the milling address was not going to where I was staying right outside of Princeton. It went to my home address where my
parents, so a letter arrived
but my parents house, it said I to verse good NEWS:
book on how to kill yourself, that's does, and I got a very nervous phone call from my mom and I tap dance around,
That was pretty quick on my feet and I know it's not. For me you don't to worry about anyting. There is a friend of mine, a truckers who doesn't have access to a library like Firestone. I was just getting it for him, blah blah blah.
But I realized that shocked me out of my delusion and I just realized suicide is like taking
times the pain that you feel and inflicting it on all the people you care about? Most I say of suicide is perseverance recited literally the most self obsessed of all right. Then I care about everybody put themselves in a thing about the impact of the so wonderful to snap out of it. Yes, it's just. I mean one in a million right. Computer luck. I was saved from it I mean I, I appoint agents, Mary yeah yeah, we're guidance like to be clear, though I had plans laid out. Everything was set to go like it was just a matter of setting a date basically, and is at that point that I threw the number of different well, let's see, what did I do first?
decided, while if, if mind over body isn't working, maybe I can use body over mine, and so I I I made up made it a real point to focus on athletic training with a goal so not just exercising but training, and it just.
You have been the one of friends is gonna, be competing in the national Kickboxing Chinese Kickboxing championships a few months later and as a joke. He asked me if I want to do
when I'm unhomelike actually yeah. I think I would hints started going to this region
really really dirty tiny boxing
in trend which is not a great place. Ah, I was the only
I was the only guy not on work release, for instance, training
and I trained my ass off
made the focus getting out of my own head and into my body. That was a big part of it end.
With these shot to the system. That was this conversation with my mom
started doing something that I would end up doing a lot more later, and I still do, but I mean I call it fear setting, but in effect writing down
when I'm considering doing which at the time was like you know, if I'm going to take it you're off like let me take a year off of the thesis or take at least a few months of not even looking at it just being done with it, and
I've made a column of all the worst thing that could happen if I did that bullet by bullet and then the next column was for each of them
What I could do to minimize the likelihood of each those happening than the last Ellen was. If each of these happens,
What can I do to get back to where I am now as quickly as possible in the afternoon,
an exercise. I realise that this whole story or collection of stories that I'd collected and underlined in
hold it and exaggerated for myself were just nonsense.
So they were complete nonsense and I also felt
very alone and in doing research after this is wondering what the numbers look like I mean suicide is a huge,
problem at these schools and it's a huge while our growing problem as well grown.
Drawing problem in these people feel like there alone. Just as I did, I felt like I was this: fatally flawed creature like the one defect from the factory and everybody else had a kind of figured out and why couldn't I figure it out and that's my reason for putting this chapter in the book is to also, of course, give
different hotline options and coping mechanisms and strategies that are used, because what you don't
these two, my gaze, I don't just come out of the dark and then it's all kittens and rainbows to the rest of my life. I mean these. Are I sometimes get rivers
by the storm and a a surly suicidal, but I have just darker or more Melanie
periods, and so there there's a portfolio of techniques. You can use to cope with that and I wanted to include this.
After I think, is the most important thing I've ever written quite frankly, because if
people are not alone, you're not alone, if you feel that way, and it is reversible, it is
can train yourself to ride those waves and sir, that's how it came to be really grateful for your share this because I think so many people when they see an individual of your caliber and all that you have mastered in your life. They think they're just came to you just
naturally, a normally uneasily- and you know what it really is- is the ability to take the dark thoughts that everyone has and put them aside, because her something that you're focused on
your than yourself and the inner unite share. So much in common, I mean I was a run to the litter as well as obsessed with books. As you well know, we share that over the years but
Really change me when I was I was not suicidal, but I certainly had my edges aware to spot life was over where I felt humiliated. I felt like I have made the biggest mistake. Humanly possible, but people, the big thing for me was radical changes. My physiology
same as you that, instead of trying to change the minor change, my body in my God, it shifted everything. I know you know. My story is like Goin on this run, whenever the three have figures listenin to dissolve the rock group.
Playing the Sancho Barracuda running is hardly going to throw up with my little walk man on the beach, my giant walkman on the beach but
same thing sitting down and getting clear about consequences? I think these are universal use, something in your book. I thought was really interesting and I love dispatch to amuse. You talked about here. We're all flood creatures were
all imperfect and at the most successful people usually maximize one or two strengths? What would you say the top strings, you'd maximize the
major life, so much different. That was back in those dark days. I I think that there are a few things,
one is there all
later to asking questions and would have real
studying questions is and improving. Questions is improving your thinking. I end up
I owe you for one that I think I've often, which is that the quality of your life is determined by the quality for questions. So so true, I think I've become better at asking a handful of questions.
I'm is: what's the worst that could happen
worse. That could happen but question, but but but going through the exercise that I'd that I described and then
the other is. What are the?
What are the assumptions and how can I test them like if I'm stuck or
you like I've, had a ceiling doing something
What are my assumptions right now, including what are the stories I'm telling myself, and how can I stress test them? How can
try to break them and along with that comes another question, then of course there are many questions, but very frequently
if I'm not sure what to do all this? To ask myself right in acts with my the way I'm making cold phone calls back in the day. My first job,
School was smiling and dialing than a tough job that was than just bank job, but the true enough.
And I would ask myself what, if I did, the opposite just for twenty four forty eight hours. What if I did the opposite to, for instance,
I know all the other sales guys recalling between nine five, in that that was just how you did it, but whose also working ninety five of the gatekeepers all the secretaries, all of the in front desk. But if I asked what, if I did the opposite for the next forty eight hours, there's nothing to lose and like a great,
it is so I start make my phone calls early in the morning and then after say, five thirty, six o clock and the
It is amazing these big companies, how frequently the president's of the sea would pick up the phone, and so I started booking the most
meetings and closing the most deals said the what if I did, the opposite just for twenty four forty eight hours.
Of is something that I asked myself often so I think in terms of my strength, one is just asking questions and diverse
Frequently there absurd questions as well,
since I mean somebody's been in the news lot recently, but pure teal, whose first investor and facebook
just an incredible cereal, billionaire, very, very small.
Guy. I've spent some time with him and he's
it was a titans. He will,
questions of himself and other people such as. Why can't you accomplish your ten year plan in the next six months and and and you and I both know, turn him in your master this. When you ask yourself these types of absurd but powerful questions, you can't
just it productively, breaks the framework and the lens and everything that you ve been using to try to solve problems up to that point because their incompatible, you just can't apply your incremental thinking to something like I mean we're both friends of Peter demanded, whose chairman of X Prize also in in the book, and he will ask when founders of tech companies are hoping to get as investment lesson. If you have, if you had to tax the economics, your business in the next say six months, how would you do it
if they say that's impossible, you'd have to meet Peter. Could you have at the guy's a force of nature, like that's impossible, saying that the Peter Wrong wrong answer? So his is responses? I do not accept your answer, try again and does so that I think this the distress
these asking questions, and the great part about that strength is that is it is a cultural learning, more practicable skill at something that you work at and you can get better at very, very quickly. The the second skill I think,
be pattern, recognition honestly and I met, and I wish I wish- I had a more sophisticated way to explain it, but I just in
principally seem to be very good at pattern matching and pattern recognition
even though I thought I was bad at Langley,
just for a very long time, once I had a proper teacher and then spent by first time abroad, which was in Japan, which is crazy,
ah, I realized looking at japanese characters, for instance like I'm. Actually, if I believe I am good at pattern, recognition instead of negating all that by saying this lie to myself, I'm bad at languages on battling to them
bad languages, racy, nothing but problems instead of opportunities. When I started single what if I were good a pattern recognition, maybe I m good a pattern: recognition in that open my eyes to that ability,
this Japanese in chinese characters and I've been able to harness
as I have slowly convinced myself that I might actually be good at it. You're you're two points are so important for anybody because first ball, you no questions are the answers. You and I will now better question better answer. You know what's wrong with me: it's gonna come up look tons of things like
I do this good you're an idiot, but if you ask a question, you got a better answer and the most outrageous questions you said often give you the most outrageous answers, but I think it's also asking those questions with certainty. You know it's. It's not just asking the question: you don't just ask ocean a genuine without him, you ask it an obsessive way. You expect an answer and I think it's important that people get there, but I also think it you look about pattern. Recognition capability, that's what makes any one the best in the world what they do.
Their ability to recognise patterns and, more importantly, utilise them, and I think my skill unite sharers than create patterns like to pull from if you're gonna play the piano at you start by learning other people's patterns, but what you learn enough other people's patterns as this internal synthesis is you now that occurs were now you bring you to enable a create something than ever existed before standing on the shoulders of those your word from so, and it goes to our are absolutely critical. Tell me about the book now tell me and then, with a book for five years, uniting right one for twenty.
There's one point is not my favorite experience when I was thrilled the here when you know TAT, was it you're in June started enjoying writing this book Tommy wider write them spoke, what's what's different about this than for our work week, the need for a body, etc. Porsche
and how did you and joy this one so much more? What was the difference in the process? Futile
was not intending it all in writing it a writing a book, so heads given up on books. Basically,
after the way our ship, I was so bloodied and battered Shuster
you're right. It does so tired of writing and keep in mind and in just four comedic effect I
after my whole experience with the seniors visas in college. I advised
to myself never to write anything longer than an email ever again see you can see how well our doubts of
books you can eat is like kettlebells or the worse for self defence, but but the
I was not planning on writing a book. I didn't want to write a book and that's how the podcast start the TIM Ferriss Show started because I wanted to try something loose. I want to try something I control completely, where I could just basically goof off and
fine and try to get better at asking questions, and the book ended up becoming a book, in this case tools of tat.
Islands, because I'd set aside an entire month, my mother never been to Paris meant and added hadn't been since the cities, and I wanted to.
Take them to see the Eagle eye, fifteenth biscuits for the July, fireworks, the Eiffel Tower, and so on.
I just like a short and by the time you're out of high school out of college. You ve spent basically eighty plus per cent
the hours that you'll ever spent with your parents. So it's it's the talent, and so I took them there and I,
setting aside the entire mouth for one thing in this was to go through.
All of my notes and I've seen your no books is. Is this has achieved by the way that I used to write it down its? It sounds
silly, but the way that I have been able to spot a lot of the most powerful patterns is by having no books and
the writing. These things down when someone like Peter Tool asks me. Why can't you achieve your ten year plan the next six months? I don't just think about it for twenty seconds and then move on to my next latte. I write
down and then I'll sit down for an hour and maybe have again
for two of wine to loosen things up and all free and- and I tried- I really think about it, but I'll think about it on paper
And so what are you gonna internet here? Because time is, I think, paper? Yes, he has an impressive stack of more skins, hurried cab.
I mean room of more of journalists from ages and ages of attempt this guide us crazy. I mean if he, if he hears a question, it gets him God, it's like nothing, a safe, no mere note table
law open drawers, their sharp is sheriff kitchen cabinets only do come on your wife
I believe it I
leave it. You know the worst is my right, something that I think is really a port in them:
Why does my head and then I wash my hands like? Oh, my god, I'm lost two words.
Wash my hands like. Oh, my god, I'm lost two words, so so I write all the stuff down, so I had
thousands of pages of notes from all these interviews
had also hundreds and thousands of pages of notes a ten thousand
plus pages for transcripts, but I had notes on advice that these guests had given me after the podcast or outside of the pot gas at all this stuff, and I wanted to put together for myself the ultimate no book like the notebook to end all no books. The cliff notes of all these performers
as I felt anxious when I would do you say to interviews or three interviews and weak, and I wouldn't have time to absorb and test some of this stuff, and I wanted to test all of it, because I'm a crazy person, n,
That is what I proceeded to do so it set aside a month just for myself not for anybody to put together this cliff notes. This cheat sheet to the habits and routine ends in favorite books, and
we're documented and sullen of all these incredible people, and when I got about half way through it in putting it together, no book deal know nothings, it's just for me. I realized good God. I mean this is exactly what
my listeners and rigorous have been asking me for and in the way, at the way that I mean. That is what I get asked all the time I get asked
You ought to rewrite the for our work. We would you change when you add to it. Are ever gonna write a follow up for our body? What what's changed? What you had to will be different for irish same thing,
details, attains answers all that it's basically the suitable to all three books, because it's broken into a healthy while the unwise so healthy. It's all the stuff
that I would have put into a new edition of where our body wealthy, it's all the stuff, basically that I would
put into a new edition of the for our work week. Maybe minus case studies, then wise. They mean for our chef being a book about accelerated learning, same story and
the reason that I decided to turn it into a book. Also, is that I feel I feel like Mama, I some of my message
been misinterpreted by a small
senator of my my followers readers and, quite frankly, don't blame them, because I think I've changed myself over the last five years, quite a lot and specifically
de? I ask it to another point: you in one direction, because I know I love how I read your blog. I listen to the five cast, an eye, less I'll open you are actually about. I mean it's tough when you have your whole life kind of between blogging, podcast you're out there, so it's tough guy within securities, I think too,
its honest insecurities about like. Basically I love this note about your anywhere. You know having somebody proof, your work, and I know it when Tony's writing a book. It's like you know it's. You know it's gold tone, but still it's like you. I can feel it in you. I could feel to both you guys I can do. Is this data sent? There is at all here also as their stuff that you look back on a blog posts or even things in previous books. It makes you feel like it makes Ukraine that makes you at least wonder who wrote that leg was at what might the same guy, because with all these years of interviews comes growth comes transformation? Is their stuff. You look back I well. I was a different dude back then earn oh yeah yeah, there's a ton of it. Then I think that, up to this point or not this point, but up until a few years ago,
I was really focused on goal achievement and just accumulating trophies entitles,
but not any pride for we necessarily, but I was very focused on
the optimizing of Gaul Achievement period, an end of story ends. We could call that success. Let's just go.
That what most people would envision a success. But I've come to realize that
If you focused solely on achievement and not appreciation not granted,
who'd- you are never you never feel fulfilled. You never feel
and tat, because you're so fixated on the future, as you have to be, if you're, just planning planning planning for the next thing. The next thing next thing
you actually have a very anxiety, infused existence, there's a constant Luke ratings anxiety being trapped in the future tents and in the last five years,
and Demi we could get into. It certainly have had some supervised expert,
this is with, but let's call it plant medicine that I write about in the book with the help of a number of doctors
I have also had a number of observed, a number of tragedies in my life. I've had free
about an age now where people are dying,
and sometimes its natural causes sometimes supersedes
or a friend of mine was with his is newlywed and they were climbing. Coleman in Iraq came tumbling down, hit him on the head dead on the spot, and I've realised that you not guaranteed along
on this planet, and for that reason you dont want to wait to redeem.
Things later doesn't work Abe be unique guaranteed to get there. So for me, if I have really tried to cultivate practices and processes and habits to cultivate
Enjoying and appreciating what I have now, because if I can't do that, nothing I ever get will make me feel happy end its be it I've just become. I have realised that it's not like appreciation is ninety percent of it
I'm sorry that achievement is ninety percent of it and appreciates like you need it, but it's like ten percent and then you're fine you're good to go now it's at least fit.
Fifty my experience in the last couple of years- and you have talked about it- is success without funds, the ultimate failure, you haven't, how many guys you right now that we ve interviewed
haven't genius in so many areas about it so much value to so many people. You know it's the Robin Williams Metaphor right made, everybody happy accept himself, and so I would argue that it's more than fifty percent. I think our culture. You know four, especially for those who had achieved at bringing at some level or their upbringing was a difficult upbringing and they went for cheap and as a way to pull themselves out of it, that our culture reinforces achievement of being much more important than fulfilment, which is really just appreciation, just really just gratitude, and you- and I both know without that- there's nothing the two emotions that dominate people's lives, majority and Craig havoc in their lives and their relationship. Their business is feeling angry, that's number one and you can't be angry ungrateful simultaneously.
Other one is fear being fearful and when you fearfully almost always make the wrong decision, and you can't be grateful and fearful simultaneously so and adding this process that you I've seen it in you to it. I'm not would you every day, but I guess you can hear it in you. You can feel in you something
There is a friend of yours that I'm so thrilled to see you haven't something that I'm doing it. My own life is one, I hope, our listeners hearings and both of us as crazy as over achievers that want to know the answer to everything. Now that to realise that there's gotta be a segment of your life. We winger little bit where you take in a little bit, will you stop and can you taste life not just keep pursuing the next thing and that's not stopping and just sitting at the table. Success to answer your board- or you are growing
delicate balance. If you seem to be finding in your life right now, yeah it absolutely- and you mention rather williams- I'm I remember very very.
Civically. When Robin Williams, Diet, I mean he's a San Francisco native effectively I
spend most of my time in San Francisco, and I was with my girlfriend at the time and I kind of freaked you out, but I was like you not to worry about me, but when, when he died
amber thinking in this is gonna sound, weird, maybe to some people, but I was like I get it like. A people were just completely dumbfounded. How could this happen? This is
crazy. I cannot conceive of how this is possible and I was like I get it like. I've been I've been in that weird, like
on Ec Alice in Wonderland mindset. We're, like everything, good, looks bad everything you do looks like a weakness. I mean I've been in that delusional state and I think that in large part it stay
I am especially your predisposed to eight and in a
all focus on achievement. That is just a recipe for design,
faster and for me, what's
It's been a revelation is realising that in a grand
you depreciation. They sound like Wu Wu stuff that you have to go to Northern California like diamond you need, I did for you do in some crystals is ignored or no, if, if you find
All of that, and even those words really unpalatable right as a type, a driven personality which I did for a long time as like. Are you kidding me like meditation? Are you kidding me like now? We can talk about that, but the eighty
percent of the people that you ve interviewed the two hundred people that are the most influential icons billionaires. Don't they all have some form of meditation. I do they have some food,
of meditation or mindfulness, and I would consider your state priming mindfulness by
definition, which is
setting up putting your
self, in a state where you become more aware of your thoughts and you're a most
in all states, so that you can steer both of them in a particular direction. I think that that is something that at least eighty percent
of the beloved any redo end. These are hard charge.
Folks I mean these, and this is not all.
I'm gonna, Namaste Yogi teacher, I'm gonna take the next ten months. Often, look, I love you get the Lahti yoga millions, something called Aqua, but the point being that if you type
driven. You can view certain practices such as mindfulness medication
other listening to one track on repeat which a lot of people like coders and rock climbers do as an attack on the book this, this repetition of tracks, for
four zone, which is kind of like a mantra that you just make externals very interesting tee. The m. There are folks who will view that peace, the practice of granite
he would not could be used, are using something like the five minute journal in the morning when you just write down. I am grateful for bullet bullet. Let three things as it is is recovery, and this is kind of a hard it's differently to frame it,
people are like, like I'm all about success. I don't need that crap, that's for we people you can think of these. These periods, where you shift gears
few appreciation gratitude, Michael his breath
changing your physiology through cold exposure, whatever might be as recovery and treat your brain like you will treat-
body, no ultra endurance, runners, gonna, run twenty four hours a day. It doesnt work because you need to recover
and then you get stronger and security with the exactly in with the brain it. It's no different. You have a limited supply of physical substrates like neurotransmitter
and if your burn the candle at both ends, you need recovery periods
that you can then get stronger, just as you would in the gym end these serve that purpose. So you end up being more capable of achieving in success when you take some time to dedicate to practices like these, it's not it's, not a subtraction. It's an addition or a multiplication. Tell me tell me no, I have all the people that you ve interviewed him that I get asked this question all the time as well as diverse worldview, and I have entered into in that we pursued who were to three. That may be surprised you, the most. You learned things from it in a way different than you expected and then, and what are some of the most unusual patterns that you found around wealth or health or wisdom that you want people to really grab out of this book or to some the ones and stand up for you. One thing that you share with me earlier was that you ve had so many different friends read the book and they all come up within a what's their top ten percent, its different for everybody
for you, who are the two three of its price must want you pull from them and what our couple the patterns that really free you have been in the top ten percent that they they become a part of your life and somewhat yeah LE meets all answer that in reverse order. Just because the that the latter jumps to mine immediately
and this is another- this cross corrects another common misconception, so the v
Asked majority. I mean ninety percent plus of the people in the book, get eight to ten hours sleep tonight and they prioritize sleep or have learned deprived of priority. Sleep in these are sometimes be blue, grew up going for the gold with four hours
hours, our you'd closer for now. I should also just no in a second summit to make some particular recommendations, but for every possible pattern. In this book,
There is someone who does the opposite, and I find that really reassuring.
Because it means you don't have to wake up
or thirty in the morning light Jacko Willingness Hurley there are.
Butter, early geysers
there are a lot of early rises, but you don't have to be a Navy seal commander gonna
for thirty gonna get not exactly exactly see. So, thank God. There are a couple of people in the book or like what area might even coherent eleven a m, and then I go to sleep it for my co hoof. Thank God I have an out, but but the sleep is a is a
consistent pattern, Indo use a number of devices popped up a lot and I had never heard of them before. I was told him a record.
Legendary music producer, as well as Kelly STAR at Cross, fit
meaning superstar, among other things, and a bunch of
seemingly unrelated folks recommended something called the chilly pad, for instance, in the chilly pad is
a thin sheet. You put under your own. She it on your side of the bed. If you're sharing it with some one in it solves it solves the two people running at two different temperature problem with eggs, tearing off blankets and changing
who wants open the window glass window? All that goes away, but you can then set your temperature of your bed too.
Anywhere between fifty five degrees- and I want to save eighty five and you find your ideal sleep temperature
and this has been a complete game changer. I have one now and it is just in red,
tool. You don't realize what good sleep is oftentimes until you get this temperature variable right. Other folks have had these weird cocktails, for instance, Doktor Seth Roberts, the late Great South Roberts P
DE from Berkeley. He figured out. He did a lot of self experimentation. He figured out at this cocktail that now thousands of my fans of use now just tell you what it is it is,
pre bed cocktail for those people who have insomnia urge when you get to bed and have a solid night sleep, it is too
tablespoons of appetite of vinegar. I used the doktor brag stuff
with the mother and so on. Do you get it at any any pulses wherever then a table
spoon of raw honey dissolved into hot water, and that's it you just drink that now. I honestly I have theories but
I do not have a good explanation for why this works. Yet I have had hundreds of my
and say I've tried everything. Nothing is work. This stuff knock me out like a elephant. Tranquilizer dart. Yes,
Can we go figure right in terms of surprising books and there are? There are bunches of of
odd patterns like the listening to music, one track on repeat over and over and over again, if they're trying to focus or get into flow, that super consistency
by the ever two pages called the soundtrack of
excellence where I just share the music that these people play on rebate is pretty wild. That's that's
weird like that. I'd try using the same track over Rick
no getting. It was a very good now
jobs with the limits with normal gene
over and over a bizarre for animal with along, went on. I just I think in those days it was you had a cd player in a got stocks are just look at what happened was unconscious continue. So one of the guests, who really surprised me,
was doktor palliative care, physician in Be J Miller. That means for this be
We don't know, I didn't know he helps people die. He is a hospice
physician, and these very credible. He sees affiliated with you Csf. But he also
something of the yeah he's incredible. He runs and they called the Zen hospital this project or
at the time air based in the Bay area. Now he he has some history that I knew quite a bit about because he was a he also point to Princeton few years before me. He and his buddies
coming home from a late night and there's a tiny little commuter train. That's nickname the dinky add on
new university campus- then takes you to press injunction and
it always looks off if it's not news, but he climbed up on top of it. Just as joke with his buddy
and he had a big watch on anyone's electrocuted and it burned off three of his limbs, so he is he's a triple amputee. Any end
in this conversation, I asked him
a million questions, but the wood surprised he
What surprised me! There are many things that surprised me. He had some great answers to certain questions like I asked just about every body. What would you put on a junk billboard short message if you want or word anything that you wanted to convey to millions
People any said, don't believe everything that you think there's like
that's so that that is a good one and he also luck as contradicted, but he he told me in practical environments,
he's helped a thousand people to die that what we read in these lists that every year seem to appear like the top eight regrets of the dying and stuff like that that you tend to hear what you would expect rather like well, I M glad I spent all my time with
we in the. I would never say that I regret its spending.
This time in the office and it's always the same five or six things and which, when I asked him what he would do.
For instance, or if you were to give two or three things to someone in his hospice facility who didn't want interact with others to help them
through their transition. What would he do and he named some music
this and the other thing. But one was a book of Mark Roscoe paintings
some. Why and for those people haven't seen the art its abstract. It's a whole, my garage where's Brigman
Well, that's great baby guard squares, fifty million dollars, eighty million gallons million dollars- and I asked him why any said, because when you're going through an paraphrasing here, of course,
when you're going through a transition to death and your terminal d, the instinct
is to try to find a why? What is the reason? Why
as is happening to me. What is the purpose? What is the reason and she's sexually found its extremely therapeutically valuable for people to ponder the beauty of purposeless nest?
so this is interesting, re different, so he wants people to interpret, learn to appreciate the aesthetic beauty and profundity of meaninglessness of
purposeless ness that it's not necessarily a bad thing, even though our modern society often thinks of it. That way that can be extremely beautiful, serendipity involved and so on can be magical in a sense in and of itself and
I am also asking what tints to bring people out
folks if they were in a depressive period because they knew they were going to die and his answer,
were all the small things he said. For instance, baking cookies together was his go to,
making cookies together was the number one hour least one of the top, because you don't have a cookie on
half of anything else. It is not. There is no future,
since you enjoy a cookie in the present period. The smells the sounds of the kitchen, the taste for the present period, full, stop and
I'd- that was also very thought provoking for me. He does.
Something, and this is this is one of those patterns when I was writing to all the times that I spot- and I was like- oh my god- that's so crazy that these two guys
braided across oceans,
Plainly unrelated ed cook, whose memory champion he's he can memorizes shuffled deck of cards like forty seconds is incredible and
then in his train, other people to do that which is even crazier than you have Bijou Miller and they both use
think. I ended up calling for myself star therapy and I still do this every night that I can and will be to do. Is he
night when he's feeling anxious are overwhelmed or you name it whenever it is upset angry, he would look up at the start.
Yes and he would just ponder and consider how the
light hitting as I could be thousands of years
old and perhaps the stars, these seeing don't even exist anymore and windy, and he has a handful of other guidelines for it. That he's
for himself, but when you start to ponder the enormity just the
the grand scale of the universe. As we know it when, which may not even be the whole picture right, then when the fact that you're pissed off costs
when cut you off in a salad lie, just speak, just becomes laughably ridiculous, you know, or the or the fact that, like all right, I'm so pissed big.
This guy cancel a meeting on me last minute.
Just sounds so childish, trivial and ridiculous that you
able to get past it, and I found it incredibly effective and I try
me like I'm a by the numbers, calculating type a placebo
will double blight, like I'm a mania for that stuff, and so I would eat if my like, twenty year olds,
I could hear me talking about star therapy. Just vomit induce onto showed is right, but I'm
to tell the younger man, everybody also the eight, its incredibly effective in the fact that it occurs twice at mellowed Edna at Cook. To something very similar
in relatively small sample size right. Two hundred of these world class performers in desperate areas from different cultures. That is gingerbread trail worth following
investigating. It's not me a lot of the time you some
you're, an organ run on time in Europe. You I want to touch on one more. You give it to some great wisdom that this is healthy, wealthy and wise, and this book in terms of jumping given something on the well these that I know you very smartly invested a newborn facebook early on how that come about their proximity to that and what would be a wealth insider to that would grab somebody's attention, as my goal is to have them listen and Amelia, I mean, if you go pick up this
look for the cliff notes of two hundred interviews by itself. My god I mean this is this is truly the masters work and all of you get a chance to listen to you, but how about one in the area of wealth is well yeah. Yeah give a couple. A quick once said that the first is
Pick a game that you can win and what I mean by that is, for instance,
If you look at- and you know a lot of these top finance years and hedge fund managers and wealth managers.
You need an advantage, or at least you you need to not have a disadvantage, and what I mean by that is you. Can you can have an analytical advantage?
You can have an informational advantage, which I had with start ups living in San Francisco, like an engineer by circumstance
is that? I was in the middle of this, the switch box. Basically, you can have a behavioral
vantage. For instance, if you look at Warren Buffett, people like I can do everything I weren't buffet. Does it's not that hard and unlike well warmed up? It is being able to be emotional and not respond to swings in the market he doesn't. He has not subject
MR market and I'm a hearing. This story- I don't if it's true, but it was written, is
our view about how he would come home. Everyday afterwork, walk up the stairs sit down in red reports, and so on our filings and at one point he came
Walked up the stairs his son, I think, was split out like a ski accident on the stairs.
And he stepped over. His son
For us, there sat down stairs readings reports, and then he came back like five minutes later it is like. Are you ok, but he's verse Spock like that is a that is a behavior.
Events in Gaza, structural advantage in that's good for people. Remember too, because I'm on regular the book myself right now called unbreakable on. You know you ve ever your great pilot, and you know everything about flying. You still have a check list, because it's just too important and you have a copilot usually on the Czech, wasn't just in case you screw up. If it's that important fly, you got passengers at young, Charlie Munger, is that other balance for him in areas if he hunted was and is put that person whose colored attacks is ideas? Saving you know with a ray of you, you ll get Bridgewater uneasy. Here's the largest hedge fund on the face of the planet and sixty five billion and assets when a big entrance I'd be sixteen billings ten times bigger and you watch what braised out any set up enough. Eighty nine hundred employees to carve attack is past ideas to make sure it's there so its having been.
Balance outside of themselves. Besides the emotion of so critical totally, and so just because you mention it, what right does inside Bridgewater is.
Very soon, learn what Mark Andreasen, who is cereal data
Mr O, Billinger and CO author of the first popular graphical web browser
of use a browser on a computer? You are, if spearheading the influence of mark and reason
He will also practice what rate does and he calls it red teaming, which is also used in the military, so Stan Mcchrystal, retired four star General also talks about this, where you will take a t and take a portion of your team and their job as the red team is attack your ideas or attack your position or attack your defenses. So if you have a big company or you just
a business plan? Get some your friends their job here, the blue team. There, the red team, their job, is to destroy or company I n
If people have bigger companies, you should take the scrapping twenty year old in your company and the
she Peter diminished his advice and have them read team how to disrupt in and take out your company, but other other advice that I think is really helpful.
Actually, this is in Europe's profile. Actually, because I thought so genius is related to you.
Observation that the these icons? These incredible success
Stories, richer Branson, who has a very, very Indiana Jones like image. Of course, you look at.
Some of these folks, like Carl Bass, these these incredible billionaires and if you, if you look at how they talk versus house, financially unsuccessful people.
Very financially unsuccessful, dissatisfied people often say things like you need
spend money to make money. Man like nothing, ventured nothing gave you got a risk big to make a big the end. If you look at any of the people I named, as was locked even this book, they are always capping the downside. They are always minimizing the risk.
And the first thing they look at is like ok, we'll start an airline in the case of richer Branson are limited
how to call a buying into
she ate a lease that I can return. This damn thing if it doesn't work out and
The same is true with my startup investing I'm constantly capping the downside. What is the maximum that I can lose? Can I afford to lose it? How can I basically go through the fierce setting exercise when looking at these things? So that's really, I think, a key
observation and then another one is it don't be afraid to try what you're not qualified to do and in giving eggs and are giving example Chrysochlora who I watched go from making.
I don't know, making the supper by a hundred grand a year to now being a billionaire I've, while I ve been friends of them the whole time I watch to happen and
when he was at Google, he's an incredible investor now and has bunch of funds and so on, but he will. He will probably have the most successful venture capital funds of all time, which is lower case, one which I was lucky
to be a part of but be when he was working at Google. This is one of his first gigs at a college, very smart guy, but
Google's I'm guessing a few hundred people the time he would walk into
any meeting with higher ups and just sit down and start taking notes. He was not enough
added to these made excuse, my you just show
and the one in the wonder to it and the wonder, twins reduces the nickname per Sergei Larry, the co founders of Google,
and they can look at each other back what the hell's this guy doing here. What are you doing here? I need say: oh I'm sorry, I what I wasn't invited to this, but I thought I just take note to you guys that ok and he actually pleading pull it off every time, but he pulled it often enough that people just began to expect him to be the hair. So he learned how
the entire business work and his learning his exponential curve of learning was a hundred acts, a thousand ex all of his sword. Cohort of colleagues who came in
the same time as early as those early hires, and that has been his one of us
game plan from day one and of all Rebecca another guy in the book is one of the most successful aims
investors in the world period as well as on foreigners. He said to his brother once who told me this
if I always did when I was qualified to do I'd, be pushing a broom somewhere. So if, if you can catch the downside, this is an important part of it right like don't. You are not suggesting, like
you're on qualified to do options trading yet try that don't worry about it. No, like cap, the downside figure out where you haven't,
manage. Ideally, but if you don't don't be afraid, don't be afraid to test what you're unqualified to do as long as you answered the question, what's the worst, it can happen. How can I get back to where I am if something goes, sideways figure that stuff out, but that is one of the magic tricks of probably everyone.
This book outside the whole concept of asymmetrical risk reward, I think, is one of the single most important things I learned from these groups as well tat. I had the least amount of risk with most upside
and, if you can organize your life, that wake as otherwise you're just gone to the Grand Slam home run in going to strike out strikeout strike out and that's what makes the difference between the very best investors in the world so tough for those listening to talk again, tools of the Titans is the new bought the tactics, routines and habits of billionaires, icons in the world class performance by TIM, Paris
Turkey has not a question for at TAT. I know you just told us a little earlier in this interview that the pod cast was really born out of your frustration or your general fed up nest with writing. You said you re emerging and we all know, like you said your kettlebells to slay Tony Blair, guys I really
look under six hundred people can live off. So I just wonder you know: you're up to two hundred episodes is the podcast. What is what does the future for ten? First looked like you? Is it the package sending you love to? Do you got your new judicial
coming up as well yeah. I do like that and got a timeline there
I know: don't is it that there will probably a season two. I think the the the podcast is something I absolutely love. It is my
favorite part of book writing without the writing. In total. You know that I exaggerate art about talking to experts and asking them all my questions and then not having to write a book about it. Now, of course, that inquired out, but the just as a funny side note.
I remember I was like all right, I'm going to do I'm going to do a light book. This is going to be a short book and I was like what I'm going to do is just going to be great one liners from all these guests
people, build a read. It and forty five minutes it'll be one of those tiny little books of the check out counter it'll be great, and then I got into it and of course I see it like. Are you kidding me? I can't rip these people off like
I quote the relevant honesty in the context of the book
Ronald Reagan under the water and they get a little becoming a little bit longer a little bit longer. And yet here we are seven hundred four pages but D D pod cast for sure, because I love doing and I'll keep doing, that. I have no plans.
Stop that the tv shows another experiment. It's called fear less with less in parentheses and
events have on the actor director producer is a big fan of the pot Castro. He reached out to me in esteem, reached out to me, and that will be key
ring out in may have already found the first season. It's gonna be awesome. Had bunch of a credible vote
I'm like David Plain and there's a long list and what what does the future hold in store for timber as well? I will tell you I've approach this a little
differently and I've. I've I've changed how I look at the future in a lot of I used to
A speck out five year plans tenure plans. Twenty your plans, you name it these days
he's as long as I have decided on what my values are and morally for
That's what I will do. What I won't do, what I'll accept him? What I won't accept, then I really focus on generally speaking, six to twelve month projects and experiments. Were I do my absolute
freaking best to put out something a value into the world, and then I
wait to see which doors open, because what I've noticed his whenever I try to make a five year plan for that five year plan or ten year plan to be remotely reliable, I have to shoot below my one hundred percent.
Does that make sense like if I, if I'm swinging for the fences for the fences, I'm going to whip some I'm going to miss some, but if I want a reliable five years, five to ten year plan in detail,
Then I'm gonna have to aim for sea eighty percent of my capacity so that I don't have those foul balls and
I want to live that way. Number one, I'm happy to take the you know at the hall.
Bother the face every once in a while. If I'm able to really go for
and enjoy the uncertainty in a way that comes with that, which is is also something that you have to train yourself to get more comfortable with the second part of that is that every time I click the for our work week, if I had tried to spell out like a five book ten year plan
being the for our work week: email management guy- oh my god, like kill me now like I'm so glad you that I would have lost so much. Flexibility and adaptability end
couldn't have even conceived of any of this.
Happening, and we even when I start podcast, I couldn't have conceived of the
possibility that out be sitting here.
Right now with a huge book about this podcast that I couldn't
be happier wear them in this is just this is such a joy for me to write and talk,
into twenty robins as a friend who inspired me and guided me through books,
and personal power and beyond starting in high school. I mean this is just
for me, a dream come true and if I had tried to plan based
on my english, complete set of information
false assumptions and self.
Handicapping beliefs and all that stuff at any point in the last five ten fifteen years, I would have had this wonderful experience so for me,
The short answer is, I have no idea and I'm totally ok with it.
Totally. Why did you ever get my own life? And I remember early in my life, my teens, my twenties. I was so obsessed with being precisely clear about what exactly my objective was in things happened me over the years, what I learned as time him by as I know, the mountain of heading towards, but whether Monica over it around it through it, stop and paws on at all those things. Keeping the flexibility about opening is how life unfolds, as opposed to,
I'm a control. I could you can control, I, like you say, but you're gonna get a much smaller returned than we stay open to your own essence, the essence of life, the essence of guidance and see what shows up so tell me,
to finish up with. I know I'm gone past our time here, but I'm just curious. What do you think? I'm good sense, because I can see a friend, but what do you do? What makes you laugh out loud? What do you do for pure fine outside of learning and growing? I, what gives you joy outside of what most people
I'll bet embarrass. What gives me joy? I I really enjoy.
Ah embarrassing, myself on purpose. So I really have tried in this is partially or as a result of of really
learning from folks like DJ military, the hospice physician we're talking about
to really not just embrace the absurdity but like enjoy the absurdity and sometimes create the absurdly ah end. I might go
For instance, I come to school and whack you and aunt em, like you know at today's,
boring. I need to things up and laughed more. I might just walk into
Starbucks and lay down on the floor for ten minutes and people like
and, moreover, that eventually sabbatical Euro banknote an alpine resting and like others, we just look at the complete
bewilderment and puzzlement.
Around me. Ten minutes on product gonna make ten minutes, but, like you, get laid out for twenty seconds, that's perfectly
Bishop too weird everybody out and do no one any harm, but to like
walk away and finding it incredibly hilarious, so that will be in a summing up
that or I have absurd,
Outfits have a white cowboy hat that all sometimes where just like the airport
it just to see what happens where white cowboy like a white cowboy how, with flip flop,
and walk around and see. These looks like even in San Francisco, for God's sake there like, and what the hell is this guy doing
I love that stuff, or I mean this is maybe maybe a in easier
way that people can experiment this, but I'll put out just now.
And sensible stuff on twitter or Facebook just to see how people
Spotify. I now I'll put out things that could not pass
be taken literally by anyone. But of course, is the internet, so it's taken
by the ten percent of the people out there and argue over what it means or oh yeah. I know what it means and ass. It was really embracing the absurdity and in fact I have I've started
Reading a lot about mythology and
cultures as related to two trickster gods and trickster gods are interesting because
there. They very often get themselves in trouble. But, dear me,
often the not the bridge between the
animal realm and v deity, God like Rome, the realm of the other
there, the there, the boundary Walker, never one foot in either side and
the they may sometimes have things blob in their face, while eighty style that happens quite a bit, but they
but also in some instances say bring fire to humans or bring knowledge to humans or actually create their very often part in the creation myth in many these mythologies and I'm not at all saying that
I'm close to a God. I mean I'm a lesser human at best, often closer to an animal, probably but the I do think there are lessons to be taken from that end,
the just embracing the absurdity embracing the uncertainty.
Learning to surf those waves as opposed to resist them and try to mould everything in your reality,
to your will, which is a it's a very very few
tile exercise and you dont have to leave that when, in fact, like you, said Tony being opened the possibilities to be open to possibility,
he's in to see those opportunities. You have to see clearly so anything that I can do to help people to see more clearly
whether that's their own self. Limiting beliefs or that d, what they think are there
rules for life for actually rules, they just absorbed from their pair-
without even realizing it may never questioned them.
Or some type of
that they can use in the morning for ten minutes a day for ten days to see what the effect is. That's that's for the time being, at least that's. I think why
I'm here, so I am moving towards the man like you said, but who now, as I might get the stuff,
didn't, decent waters being on the way their love. It last question
is TAT Ferris, when what is his mission went from mentioned. This book tell us that the Finnish up a few. What who are you at your core him Ferris is a is a very imperfect creature, with a lot of curiosity and a high pain tolerance who is willing to test the
streams, so he can report back and help everyone who is not eager to push themselves to that self incineration point ends my go
all my drive, my mission. All of that, if I had to think of it, this is the constant in is that I want to create a benevolent army of hundreds of thousands of millions of people who are creative problem solvers. The best create a problem solvers world
ever seen and in turn, each of those people can teach ten a hundred thousand
or more people to do exactly the same thing. That's that's what I'm trying to do at my own, my own criteria, I'd say a man with a gigantic hardest, while you left that part out- and somebody is truly a blessing and millions of people's lives, including my own. So it's been a privilege to visit you get my dear friend people pick up tools of the titans, you gotta to the W W rituals of titans dot com, and you get description.
What sample chapter the book or you can get it on Barnes, Noble Amazon anywhere it's out officially, as of win its
officially. As of December. Six cell is imminent right. Around the corner, perfect
and other some folks who are already getting their book shipped. Apparently so it's it's available and it is
it is out, and I really I've got very, very comfortable. Reckon
People check it out. I think it's, I think it's my best work and its its. It was fun for me to write, and I think that makes it fun to read, as I really Pritchett
I'm Tony and Mary Ann you guys rock. This is always one for me, remembered personally excited
for so many people too, to take in the best of what you pulled out of those two hundred interviews in the synthesis of at its extraordinary gift. Give everyone can always complaining tat. He came, can check out the book of that stacking, your dog and Instagram at night
favorite up only to read your book there I'll give it a rest
bullshit at Molly, I'm sure true ass, to play with you and I
we will all hang soon and and I'll introduce she formally to my dear Papa Molly
God bless brother. Take yourself, then do you having armies but by him
the attorney weapons podcast is directed and hosted by Tony Robins and Mary Bucket carry song. Is our executive producer strategy and distribution by any org and Tether Culbertson Jamie Curve, a hall and Adrian Dilatory, are additional editors.
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