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Right. This is something that we will not end. There. beat me come with pillows in there, and I sat there was some of the cigarette out there. Well, you should be talking about my book, while well too many goddamn people. Well, you know. Well we're not talking about dad's is the horrible way in which we allow the car to dominate, civilization I'm going to but I'm going to introduce something I what she might find with uncomfortable. You thing it pisses me off Dennis. I think we're not tie, Enough about sex, so I want to talk to you about lots of things to be. Bandit. He is not something that anyone need or should respect. My answer to that is really monday are, these constitutes bulbs,

one thing we're not talking about that. We really should they gonna mess up the optimistic note and we try to end on sex robots, Having sex robots are on their way, May I the very light pro male reason to say: deletion damning The concern for sex about sex robots has generally been, for a feminist perspective. The idea that your kind of training. men. He use them to think of women has been In certain, whatever reaching violence and show that we trade that I think the problem, one of the really such reports as well as that is that you've got scar rushing about

since young men who not having set flagships toll you're going in that twenty or thirties remaining virgins hooked on porn what this and more than that will suggest. Not living productive lies not holding down jobs nor like nor. Making any progress in their lives just stuck in this kind of miserable adolescence and I think sex robots, which is supercharged that if they ever became, you know affordable for these men and became I like sufficiently convincing, which they are on track to the cause. What what sex robots? Basically due to the light to the monkey brain you know to the Mind is they, is they give you a completely false sense of light, your own success in the world? You can be You don't have to go to the gym. You dynasty at a clean. You re, you don't have to have a job, you don't own house, you have to do any of the things that will actually make Europe a happier morn, which even being because you ve got your ex robot. He will

the impression that actually, your start right and I think the desert. It's like super stimuli. Times million right, this x, robot is like the most the most perfect and calculation of that of the phenomenon and risk and yeah. I think so, We need to. I think we need to ban them, basically lie whatever mechanism is necessary. Why? While we talking about the extinction more, you know about the extinction of the idea, we could make rather far worse rubella thirty everything, recent rubella everything's, fine, there's more species again, the other s roy, nor is the extinction dvd extinction is simply bringing about the mammoth or bringing back the passenger pigeon or the great oak. Something was going extinct. full steps read the genome done that in knots of these cases yeah we got ancient dna from samples we we know what the genome of these creatures looks like

Second, take a living genome from related species and edit, it says the same furred somehow get them into a living creature. Tat turn that sell into an embryo men into a creature and fourth released. One tactics are not only are we getting the pandemic wigan jurassic park as well put economic rise is simple. For everyone to know if they dont ready ass does decades didn't get it through Even in the uk, we are now living in an environment of mass electronic surveillance. And our own government spy on us. What does that mean? Rightly, when you say mass electronic surveillance? Is your found listening to you right now, government collects and can collect and access cause video coups text messages they can have. Devices, they can hack entire nations devices

they won't to we haven't. We have the most totalitarian surveillance legislation of any democracy in the world in the uk. and from the most advanced capabilities we ve seen over the last few decades, how you ve, had environmental activists race, equal, the campaigners environmentalists being spied on board? by their own government and sometimes with with very negative impacts. That is a big chunk battle that we have to fight I would like to see a bit more you can register in the political spectrum bit more? But meanwhile, I would say to everyone you signal, but last about moving us discuss. In we talk about divisions in society, we talk about in ethnic, ethnicity,. instantly. Are we being fair to this group of people or that group of people marty, little discussion on sale,

mobility, and actually what I see the more governments tax and redistribute the lower levels of social mobility on the social mobility people need opportunity. They do. That education, which I mentioned earlier, I think, is one about one of the great challenges ahead of us The need in the workplace working from home is not good for young people, get out and so yeah. I do think. I do think that it's good to see actually some twenty nine. red: take tory mps who come from working class backgrounds, but I do that the class divide in this country is set in stone. Far more than level was the opportunities to break out of an outlet, world wars ironically gave. People from humble backgrounds a chance to move out through the latter grandma schools, for example, gave a lot appear from those backgrounds the charles to excel.

and go up the ladder, and I do have a society fail. The middle class britain has pulled the drawbridge up. So I have been a little worth thinking about this question. Birth rate, global birthrates, declining in all developed nations. And elon musk has been talking about this recently, so I do think we have been talking about it but prior to him, And then also someone like Matthew, iglesias in his book, one million americans talk talks about this just It seems to be close to a law of. I don't know would call it developmental economics or What have you that, as societies become wealthier and more educated people. Having enough children to replace their numbers, naturally.

And you see it in pretty much everywhere on earth and the only places you don't see it are either Societies that are that having become wealthy yet or The highly religious, the ultra ultra or knox Jews, the amish men and mennonites You know that the amish in america, more than doubled their numbers in since the nineties, which is incredible. while the rest America has receded below replacement level, and what happens when you don't use? Condoms makes this more happens when you download entertainment, my dear what are you gonna do yeah, but as interesting to think about the the long term future of humanity. like everyone, what we want to happen is that poor countries stop being poor ex poor countries. We want that

happened. So let's say that happens everyone, earth, azure, blue, is below replacement level, except for the ultra religious mine, what is that doubling their numbers every ten years. What a great received around the world, interesting to think about what world that creates until they were. Maybe a vision might not be fine. Maybe it's not a big problem. Maybe it's it's such a slow, moving emergency that the Equally rim will shift, and you know it's kind of not something to worry about, but maybe Maybe it changes the fundamental fabric of society if you have like Forty percent of america is amish and like the year three thousand or something if America still exists. What is a one thing? that? We're not talking about is a society that we really should be talking about its big one, its paid, a failure.

The erosion of safeguarding towards children, learn to end on this off, not believing that tell us a little bit a boy you what you actually mean by that, I think there is. I think there is a long way. This trans wave and I'm not gonna conflate the two, because that's not remotely what I'm saying, however, If I was a painful and I was what. with glee at the severance of family control and autonomy like in their schools in Birmingham and what our children primary school age, children being taught are the facts. If you're a man, you can go away with the girl guides now, and they don't have to tell your parents, the parents of the children and the sex. sort of the ways we talk about sex in schools and then pornography on the way that that's easily accessible for children and they all First william come so I felt like I'm wearing some so full hat and should be on the David art show instead of this very sensible, unreasonable show. But it does

fail that there's some really uncomfortable things happening with the erosion of of boundaries vision. I people will not talk about that. There is a methamphetamine epidemic among game that is killing large numbers of gave it? It is the most hideous it is taking people's lives the worst for the way it is rampant no one talks about it so the gay press barely talked about it implicated in a whole bunch of things that you can see me for example, is the real story of Matthew shepherd. not that he was assaulted by two complete red exchanges of haiti gaze that he was. The sole, by his own boyfriend. who was on math for five days.

Much more sensitive situation action and then these other things any end, but the ability and the need to suppress this reality, because dirty laundry because is telling the truth about problems that we have is not helping game and either on and I really would like to see the street is with seriousness it deserves. And a wiser happening. I have not heard about this intelligent if you have for you have well, maybe you more informed it than I am but wiser happening wisest specifically in the gay community. good question could in other communities, committees, for example in america, is very much a phone working class white rural epidemic as well on its its it's used in conjunction with sex, is apparently a fantastic. It experience temporarily when you're on this thing. You feel great and powerful and all the rest, but you had sex for days on end and

people talk about that experience as super wonderful and they came back to having cycle doubt it I eat. I've just seen destroy people friends and in an It goes on. Everyone acknowledges it privately It reminds me of the early days of aids in which if we refuse to acknowledge that they were scared that de facto them I would alienate people from gay people well We are alienating ourselves, we are winning suicide, no way as a community, and you can barely see a word written about it and, and I again is partly the media's. Its hands well meant, but how cowardly? Not you were dirty laundry about minorities when, in fact that the country needs to be added in order to help minorities in order have minorities help themselves on for example, denying that in america that the term,

Herbal toll of violence on black people is something that is a function of waiting missy when it is clearly a function of criminals, killing him, is important thing to remember and infinitely more black americans are killed by civilians, went by hops, and yet we barely mention the former weeps, on the latter I'm not saying that killing by costs is something we should not be concerned, I'm sure, but spectacles is all skewed symbol, Think, in terms of where gay people are instead of talking about the hatred other people have for us, which they generally doubt that for a few nutters someone how we can take care of ourselves. What issues of self esteem I still buried within us. The things that makes it preferable to go on these drug benders than just get on with your life building relationship or setting up a homo we're getting a productive

Korea going on it has to be a very potent drug to which seems to hook, people very quickly and be incredibly hard to recover from. on measures taken a real tal still going on? There is something I would have. I would certainly have talked about the the canvas youth if we had already done so. It doesn't talk about anything like enough and the The correlation between cannabis, mental health cannot be talked about enough because its and the girl, the correlations income, is used and crime cannot be talked about enough because there major problems. I'm pursuing a position on this matter at the moment to try and get the gun to inquire into the linked to see if it is not just a car, ocean with a genuine causal connection, but The other thing that this always preoccupies means preoccupied. Mrs, my childhood. is the horrible way in which we allow the car to die. Our civilization its have. Chosen to make it the dawn transport,

And will not turn away from it so that even now near where I live in oxford plan to yet another motorway called the oxford Cambridge expressway, which we're a horrible scar across the face of the country will solve no problems but is, but upon this. This love of an obsession with the cause is the only a modern means of transport. We prepared to give serious support too It does so much damage to health to the visit of the country's town planning, so the way in which people live, and indeed to the freedom of children's round about the countryside. It's the car, it's not! It's not Peter filed killers they are they exist and when they and when they happen, that our will things- and I am not asking whether they did they- they do exist, but is very rare but the real danger, the real reason children got run about that when I was young is because the roads adjust to dangerous and we just read this and that large numbers of deaths and terrible injuries, a rear, wholly innocent people, and nobody cares. I really do wish people cared more about it and said, sir,

it's it's. It's done a great deal of damage and we can do a lot more to restrain again. I think that would that would be the case we could. We could do more to restrain if the public transport system was better and more official in Zurich. Switzerland is a paradise of railways and public transport. You can get anywhere without a car in switzerland in Zurich. They made the transistors so good that people gave up driving the mercedes. I want that to happen here. I want the public transit system to be so good that people don't always cause. I think it would be a huge improvement in our way of life. I think that this is going to be controversial and I dunno, if I should really say it, but we're not talking about the great reset we're not talking about build back better. This hashtag has taken over the world and I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but the is thing going on here. I don't want to leave this horrible pandemic, this horrible lockdown, a different country, and the old mom I dont want a new normal in. I don't want to come out of.

in a cash, the society and I'm afraid we're but will the things that I'm hearing from october about hashtag bill, but better? Unlike to return? If we want a better society with work on it together, we don't want it implemented for us all on us. That is oppression. That is turning all, right well in for a penny in for a pound, since you brought it up, I mean, I think, the monitors nation when, when you said house negro about seventy three times a year of letters when you said it in his wealth, but since you bring it up, I don't know the gray risa is someone's, and me the link to the world economic forum. I looked and aid just looks like a bunch of people who are like. Oh, we want to to end capitalism or whatever, which is fine. People are allowed to want and capital. I don't agree with it right, but when you

talk about the great reset. What are you talking about? Look the way it goes hand of his mouth is no conspiracy. Theory bought five g lizard paying late. Is that true point? Is this idea that you will own nothing, and you will be happy that really disturbs me, and it's not even against capitalism, is a new form of capitalism. Is this idea? That so we see already. For example, I went to my bank to paint a check the other day right and it's so difficult to do that. I try the issue of the cashier there's only one there they incur going to use the machines. I'm a computer scientist, I'm not luddite, but I dont know. everything being automated because we're losing what will actually seeing as their rage other working class, so normal jobs that more people do are now being automated, but that does not stop the wealthy store earning money. So? What missing is the cost divide is widening people who are already reach a successful and powerful will remain so, but in normal audrey folk who did not order jobs, that jobs went exist, pherson and we think of it being used as a cover to speed up the process. We know, for example, that

I fought five pound cash limits on contactless payments being increased to hundred pound to increase to improve the economy. How does that improved economy not quite conspiratorial thing to say as easy used as a cover Really credible, in my view, to say, not used as a cover but his light if we were paying for if we're trying to reduce the number of physical contact, so people can spread disease doing things. Contact sort of makes sense just as a counter That would be one of the things right now. The thing you talk about the the the you know, erasure of the working class I get that completely, but it's been already happening is pretty much. If you listen time to re yang, why Donald trump got elected right, automation is taking over people's jobs. Is that really like People are using covert nefarious layers, adjust light, what's happening listening, firstly by using it to speed up the process, so why Would you open your branches of it costs you x amount to employ seventy people when you can just have a machine that you put your check into, and You know you save yourself a lot of money, so people using covert now that when we come out of it

We won't have the same society that we went into a birthday the problem I'm really not conspiratorial, but the problem have of the world economic forum, and this this great reset is that it's all there in the open- and it is the davos france, that all of worldly does go to all the most rich and powerful people in water world to and not conspiring a box but they're talking about this very openly. This idea that they want to change society. They want improve it, but it's in their image is not democratic. We're we're not in it caution about this is being put on us and that's what that was is because what worries me and even raising the issue. May she look like in full hot wearing in us with lightly, which I am but not because of our own, This review I do in their using it as a way to get rid of cash, and I dont bother how less contact? Well, you ve just got one central disease vector which is a chip and pin who benefits from how us having less cash but the government, because I can try. You know, because I can track as more effectively

the two: it's the aids away to control working class people who pay using catch in days, but also what I worry about in the long run is in us systems like what they have in china. Have you do or say the wrong thing? Your shut, your social credit has destroyed, and what was I don't know nothing that I would have happened in its country, but want me a year ago, this time, a year ago I never would have thought we'd lockdown citizens in their homes and tell them who they're allowed to invite into their own house. I would have thought that would be completely foreign idea. So you never know where we're going be in a year time, never never, never mind ten years time. That's what petrified me about this whole thing. Well, We are talking about the death of common sense and the centralisation of the marginal said what you get is a marginal phenomenon taking over our. Taking over imagination completely so that phrase A good example is transsexual is what comes next? Is the interesting question oh I know, and what do you think we're getting us coming next? I think

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was one thing we're not talking about as a society, but we really should be either guest. incidents boldness. Huh, I glad I brought it up now cause it really is being mentioned enough absolutely I don't think we talk about it now we should. We should talk about a more In fact, we should talk about it outside the scope of trigonometry gives us customs trigonometry, quite a law, but I We need to broaden the conversation. Is producer anson dawning. Could you turn into a main player, population problem. I gotta go to that again. I feel, like that's, gonna, solve a lot of fuckin problems. We talked about that before the podcast. Give us give us give it give it to us again, what's the relation problem. While these too many guardian people, that's that's the whole wake.

Always inventions and all of this shit a nice. But it is twenty people around using them, see you gotta figure out a way without becoming a mass murderer to and get people to die. Well, I did annoys me when I watch the news and you just see these weather, my god, I tell you it's gotta be high on and it's like. How do you not? How do you do that job as a fucking weatherman, I feel like there's two kinds of weather and the people who actually fucking paying attention to that shit and then the other person who just wanted to get on tv saying I have a hot fucking wife. You know, and then I see them like the l, a weatherman that you gotta watch, watch the local news like the fucking l, a weatherman. They just sit there like you know you know tonight is going to be cloudy when we get back the crazy jackets on it. Yet I mean because I like entertaining but like it's like. Do you? like you're selling cars, and I just think that such a funny personality they have While all this ended, the world's shit you know

Eggs are drawing up analysis to fuck and terrifying to talk about so animal rights. yeah, I'm sorry, I'm says. I'm really really dull on animal rights. They're gonna have to cut this. haven't. Animal rights is one of the biggest with others to things their rightful working class people who, I don't trust in the same group of animals I thought about making a joke, but I'm not gonna. Not only did we says too, I think you need identity politics for the working class and I also think we need to I don't really to clamp down on the abusive animals raised for food and if anyone ever suggests bringing back a fox something bill, they should actually be shot in the head, with a kind of bulk gun or a rail gum?

facility rail guns So those two things, those those two things I was doing so you think we need identity politics for working class rather than just moving away from identity politics. In general, I was a bit flippin applicable in large. That's the one identity which isn't that right it isn't it isn't? But my point is, I think we need to remove identity politics slang russia that closer to. Of course, you do you do on economics yeah. I just think with one concern for me with identity politics. Is it pushes people who are not represented by it into their own identity, and then you suddenly get in our ten million? a white men going all yellow weird discriminating That's good western! Why? Men, that's no good andrew, I well know, but that will happen Yes, my boy that we'll have, which is why no shone like when you sure it's actually a quote from morris when I'm embarrassed glass is, as you know, the labour party has all this identity politics, but none of it about the people it was set up to represent yet and that that's

they were on from that, which is why you should vote the social democrats. The chemist It is that we so yeah. Well we're not. Forget about dads and the importance of dads. I think you know, we sit around and we cannot chase problems like what going on with all this street crime. What's going on with, link school systems. You know what's going on with all its substance, abuse or homelessness or suicide. Prison overcrowding, and I we were kind of like who are these people in prisons and now and then we do this thing where we go, we need it. build more presence or just let people out her impressive, my thing is, is what do we find? why there are in prison, like maybe that's, that's Then you know what I like. We have two choices and

my feeling is, like maybe there's a third choice which is like, where their dads and what role they play in their life and what the hell happened and dad's are super important, We somehow decided that there are part of the problem areas like toxic masculinity or some nonsense. Are not the vitally important where, got. Some weird world were like she's, a single mom and she's doing our best, and then we applaud- and no one knows where so tat worse than we decided that there isn't really have a role or as important role as they did in the past, Everything we see is this an offshoot of broken families, absent dads and bad parenting and we're food it was just a chase and around like this guy, he said steam. He chow one guy then he went into the system. Then he got let out any punches woman pusher

acts of the subway. Then he got arrested again then he was out of the street that afternoons like aren't. We can fall that one can IRAN whose cost there millions of dollars because it gets into the system and zones over or we can try to go back a little further than forgot. Where the dad is, how come the dad didn't raise him correctly. How come he didn't? supplant planning out all the things you get from that we could do that. Politicians never do that, because that's a third rail breaking down along racial lines and, and it turns into a nightmare, so they talk about the problem, which is essentially the damage that the termites do, but they never talk, about eradicating the termites or how they got in the house or whatever it is so there's like it'd, be like

storm in chased just chased around ants and hidden witnesses. Liver individually reside where's the calling where they wanna are. They attracted to moisture good. You have a leaky. I've fix the pipes. Tracking the moisture you know we're not whatever root causes all the time you never get to the root of arrogance. why is there so much violence? What's going on? Is this fifteen year old boys punching people on the subway? It's like yup. We're asked these guys, where their dads are going to go to prison and find out everyone's relationship with their dad Ok, that's the problem that would fix all the problems around. Never we never talk about That's why we love larry Elden, that's what we had him on. The show is very good on that I'm really glad that white supremacist the state is missing. A huge opportunity to use. It's kind of convening power. Combined with the with the digital world to create

make it so much easier for people to say volunteer. Do you can adjust? in time volunteer. Why did we have neither there ought to be How many would need to have the states in promoting and it should be advertised everywhere on the kind of cheap on the tv that you go this one powerful and you put you in type in your postcode, and you find out I mean a lot of people who have very busy lies, but they still want to be seen such lean. The pandemic a huge amount of volunteering. Let's try and keep some of that going forward, and you you should be able to type in your postcode and then find out. It may be a little stuffed unless there's some little old lady who lives up the street from you, he just needs to drugs. Picked up from boots on needs to be taken out for a walk of every own every every weekend or something

things you could fit in around you know, even if you have a family in your very busy and uncles One of the issues, I guess, would be security, and there's ways to deal with that, but it will certainly have interesting how the whole kind of from child protection thing in seems to me suspended for the perfect for covered. Volunteering is what I think and that and that could be applied to other things to come in and nothing outside the related, the thing is I've always had a be my bonnet about is I'm not going to go into hope, germanic I feel like I am, and about very nicely with the reputation of the show yeah yeah, but I did spend three years in germany. I know the gym system well in it and there are a lot of things about it to admire and a lot of those things cannot very easily be translated into into british context, but one thing that

could very easily be is there's something called a barrel actual that all it's who leave school. Get, I think particular kids were going on to an apprenticeship, is essentially tells them. All the kind of the options are for apprenticeships and want the job that you could then you could then apply for once you ve got this apprenticeship and what they pay. And and so on, and I don't see why we. Why don't? We have something like that? In the uk, just you again, something the state would need to have to have the common premature and it. You know you could updated and it can have not only here, all these all these different jobs, and this is what they pay, and this is what is the training you need in order to get it you know. So coding course he's gonna cost you fibrin. What's tat. He might be able to get from the state to do it. Why is that, this written in one place, you can probably find out for these, there somewhere, but it's gonna be it in its it

it's scattered everywhere, which had just it's a perfect example of what the stable He'll do very simply a mini summit of the data. Someone at What will able do that in kind of two days? Just gather always stop together put it in one place, produced little booklet. for it will have a online and an updated every year. Nothing would make it will make the whole field, but it can now with so much uncertainty make it would create so much more visibility and transparency for people in this very unsure suggests report your capacity to be offended. Is not something that anyone knee or should respect in you. That's just not it is not an hour. You certainly argument, but is not even a basis for respecting, like that. It like table stakes for any ethical conversation. He is more than just europe.

Ass is to be offended right and until you understand that, like easier, not you can't play the game we need to play in order to to ensure an open, ended circumstance of cooperation. I guess, I'm going to introduce something now, which you might find it was bound comfortable. in the book I wrote writer the time that I was nearly right and I didn't think anything about writing this, because if it didn't traumatized me at the time traumatized me now, but the absurd around me up and said that they were doing an article on the tv series I will destroy you as a male rape scene in that, so they said. Can we do an interview with you about this say about half an hour, fine to them, and the article wasn't about that at all. It was just about me which was a bit of a shock

in a way southern to defend an honour and I'll be see the following night for two hours and the number of man, that found in say- and this happened to me- either happened to me nearly happened to me or my maid or whatever- and I I think this is something the society doesnt really talk about. We ve got a lot. We ve had a lot of taboos in society and this is kind of one of the last ones. I think twelve. thousand men were right last year. I think about In the cases it's difficult to call, I don't know how many actually were convicted the average. How don't you think tat For a man who has been a victim of a sexual assault, weather is by and after such a straight mail, it is doing it really here, while long does it take for a man to tell anybody about it. On average, I'm gonna get like twenty is twenty six year

now you think of the mental health aspects where somebody's buckling up inside- and I know several people that this happen to it just in mice in a circle of contacts, and I think what if I know so, it's probably for five. what about the ones that I dont an you think will this This is something that needs to be addressed another. Charity could survive as uk, which are not kind of adopted, and so, if I give monies charity, they they get. because I think this is a really big issue. The people don't want to talk about for a week, reasons it's a very uncomfortable subject, but it's This also again at of the day, one of the national newspaper, commissioner, and write a long red feature on it, which, in the end they decided not to run, which has been annoyed of access,

time, writing researching it so that she put it on my website now, and I I just think that is something that people need, to understand that it happens, and it's not just men on man, it's actually women or men as well. Bizarrely, I I'm your case cybele difficult for women to rape, a man, but there is a lot of or, if to think of the sort of me, two things about seven feet may employers, griping female starve or making an appropriate comments to them. I remember back in the ninety nineties, I was a woman. I worked with just grabbed my crunch now. Imagine if I, as a man do that to a woman, but I didn't roma it all out to suggesting as appropriate,

Imola, when she was northern ireland secretary of the labour party conference, she had a picture taken with me and my partner. We were running the bookstore. She stood in the middle of us, put her arms around us and started kneading her buttocks, that's sexual assault. Again, I didn't what funny at the time in today's environment, you can't call anything else so there's so many issues around this, though I think we shy away from talking about. So that's very long, winded answer to your question, but it's a very good answer and if anyone I'm sure there will be people in the audience who unfortunately have had this sort of experience, survivors survivors. Because if I cover read the article is only adele to come and in our lives. They had dozens of people contacted me on twitter about it and say. Well, I thought I was the only one. understand why look the uk most prolific ripest, whose aren't cheap A man who write german, absolutely no less

later when they carry as ever. my answer to that is. Really mundane. What's not we're not talking about it? I don't think talk about climate change enough. I feel like in ten years it's gonna be the point where were wondering why we were talking about woke racism, etc when the planet was about to not. I really worry about that, but you something more underground. I mean it's a big fire with you, John in this country. We talk about. Landmines is an awful lot. I promise you yeah. I mean it's not that it's not talked about. I sometimes worry that we're all gonna think we should have talked about it even more. But what do we not talk about? I wish. That science were more interested in fine a cure for clinical obesity

because I feel like it wouldn't be that hard given, I can now happen its considered as important as some other things, and I guess I understand why, but I watch people who, have that condition, and often it's not because they eat too much or sometimes it is, but you can't stop eating too much, and I think to myself. While I would hate to be that person, I dont think that it's their fault and I wish that there were a more concerted solution today, I think about it all the time, I'm not sure why basically has never been a personal problem of mine, but watching the way people ii and the way people in none Western countries are beginning to eat the same way that that seems to be away. People start eating when prosperity comes and watching what's happening in some parts of china ransom. Polynesian islands. I know it seems like an accent.

the thing that I'm just gonna bringing up the sound fresh, but it is always touched me deeply that people that ruining their bodies through no fault of their own because of the way food is in modern societies wish. I could be solved. That is my honest answer to the oh boy, he's going to really heavy gaga abortion I think that needs more serious discussion. I think it's the biggest blight on society and, I think, real serious discussion, an elevation of consciousness as need around it so to make more specific for I'm guessing, given that religious you're, probably against abortion, you're not In a religious basis like I am against it, yeah hm yeah, I mean you've got those are human lives. thousands of being taken everyday day and it's very much out of sight out of mind Certainly not a dinner table conversations, hopeful that anyone who wants to get into bed

the way I look at it is very similar to how I imagine the people who wanted to abolish slavery, what it felt like hundreds of years if you got this thing that everybody accepts and it's been going on for thousands of years and people on questioning it and its deemed as slavery- was always deemed from the perspective of the slaveholders rights. We have a right do this. We have a right to an abortion generally in the western world is very much framed as from pro choice. People, of course, as a women's rights issue. Right- and very little very few people ever think about that. Eighty feed us if you, if you want to use that use the euphemism and It's all it's completely framed in that regard, not from pro life people protect. People are like what about the baby, that's being killed right, but I think that there I think that that whole conversation of society's yet mature enough to have that conversation

It's a conversation that I do think is is needed some trouble me something. The troubles me everyday, genuine troubles me. It troubles me a lot not because it directly impacts me by just knowing the rates of it. Looking at the numbers I mean in some parts of the EU s, I mean back babies particular have a fifty fifty answer being avoided? Ok, so over fifty million, potential americans have been killed since in the past years of something like that. I don't know the exact figures in the uk, but considering how far we ve come in a society in terms of just like consciousness and treating people diesel. your mainly and stuff like that that one Does trouble me to know that the most vulnerable members of the human species are not even considered in those things it's it's a very polarizing topic something people get very heated on, understandably on both sides, but

yeah in terms of societal, blind spot or something people, don't wanna I want to touch you don't want to talk about. I do think that its to me personally, it's something serious. I think the thing was that if there is such a gift, issue, because I don't think it's about about mature died. The social issues ever gonna get resolved whenever gonna find like a solution, because it's kind of half way and there's always gonna, have to be a compromise and when you're talking about human lives, compromises dont really made us at a problem. This is the problem, that's the thing. So I guess I feel like the place where right now is it in this country is kind of, as is good. Compromises are probably gonna get there, can you know the human lives, and these are these people, and so we're talking? Not everybody even accept that why do people donate yeah, but that's only because their bullshit seeing themselves as they don't want to have the respect they don't want to go we're killing people

but maybe we we should be allowed to sell, times in a really the compromise whereby, because its a half way. It is a woman's rights issue. It is, a woman's right to show the one and are not had it is killing people and you have to be well to hold both of those in your head here and be ok with that, and that's very difficult to dig the atlantic and most people don't even accept what you just said. Yeah right most people who are pro choice would either try to say that that's not a human life or they just thus nonsense. You belong in tat. Those millions of people hold opposition does I think they are trying to defend their argument here now. I think so too. I think so too is at least that's an honest position if someone again at least but the facts on the table here, but the facts on the table again in our, and my argument is not from a religious standpoint at all: it's not religious at all. It's just saying you know: do you believe that it's wrong to kill innocent human beings yeah? Ninety nine percent of people will say yes, yeah, okay,

most people, will accept that stabbing. Anyone baby is wrong and you should go to prison port, ok, but a lot of people think that Until that baby comes out, you can chop it up yeah right. instead it as long as it's in the way. We can stop it and I'm like how does that make sense? Ok, so this- is something that a few people are talking about, but in my opinion, one nearly enough people talking about which is the fact that our cities a growing increasingly ugly. I e that for every beautiful new building that is constructed nine no! Twenty ugly buildings constructed, and indeed one of the people who has been making the case for beautiful architecture, sorrow description, was recently fide from his role, the government advisor on this matter following it sort of hit job and the new statesmen

and so I think many many more people need to be talking about the fact that we need. physical beauty in our lives, and much of it has been taken away from us, at least in the uk, over the last few decades, And that is the sort of by the public good. It's the most important public good in society, but no one only people like some discretion and few others want walkabout, we obviously recognize our many people believe that the health services is a really valuable. Public. Good in society many people believe it occasion and the natural environment are important public goods, but no one seems to or maybe people seem dimension. That's the beauty of the street. He walked down going to work

or on the way to the shops are also a public good, and we should fight to defend that public good against encroachments of of increased, How do you know what I mean she deserved? His den conserve and recording is in the week when I extinction, rebellion returned to the streets, and I think that some extinction rebellion isn't adequately a rebellion against extinction because I think they from the left and the right. We are ignoring the the detail of what is happening in this country's. Come to this Britain's countryside, which is that we are as a people, the most nature, loving people anywhere if he judged by number of people who belong to wildlife conservation charities, and yet we have the most logically, denuded landscape in Europe. We cannot lecture people much poorer countries

on the need to conserve wildlife when we are allowing hedgehogs to plummet towards extinction when our rivers, a big poison when songbirds vanishing- and this was at a topic that people briefly woke up to you during the lockdown. When suddenly there was no traffic in people could hear birdsong and people realize they valued in an unwanted it, but now that blood is returned. The limbs economy that sense that We share this country with other species and the in a sense, we're trust holders for them is fading again, and I think that that's what we should be talking about. I think that that there is an extinction crisis, but I think that talking about it in the broad brush terms that extinction rebellion do misses. fact that we need to concentrate on specifics. Joking about conservation is yeah, I'm talking about

need for mass national effort to say, for instance, to stop hedgehogs gangs thing. three. The way, if I, if I, if I, if I were prime minister, I would rights into law that there is an obligation on the government to reverse the time. Headshot numbers and hedgehogs poets, species. If you reverse them, then you reverse or other things as well. You have to put in you know you have to improve the environment, hedgehog survivor to make sure they're insects. Everything follows from that. That is what I would do that to me is a terrible, pressing issue that we don't talk about nearly enough and it seemed like a kind of you know, gimmicky thing that doesn't really matter it's me, it's fundamental. I think we're not talking enough about sex I don't know if you guys have seen, but there was this crazy chart that came out few months ago. That show that, and this was before covert, that the per cent

of men in america between the ages of eighteen and twenty four who had had sex in the previous year. I think, was thirty percent. That's why to me and that's a story that I feel like has not been told and has incredible cultural and political ramifications so looking at its story, that's very much on my radar because the question of like or we turning into Japan guess, and what are the implications of that? I think are really interesting one. he's a chicken armature. You ve got a job to do question we ask and his he's gonna sound funny give away. You said I was the one thing not bad. then a long day. Do you ask him the quartier guy sophia? Of course you can always ask. Is nazi thing? It is mere. This is good

It is a good measure, this chamber out the whole time our I was one thing: we're not talking about We really should be Hmm. I think they dude. I remember one time I saw these. massive birds. The common european flags and beautiful, strong Ah, I Swear beryl I went to this. I went to this place called newcastle of yours, Yes, you have, we weren't you gossip and this- ass. He drives me off. And always ease it, was like a part like ours was looking a bastard. Are you something and then this failure like a big. There was

big room like a big window and they were in there naked. You know what do you call it? Tits? Yes, yes, tits, and they were beaten each other with pillows in their error, and I set out there was not the cigarette out there right out there. and that's the one thing that another thing I was talking about was seven of these women in their liking why you brought her name was going on in there was serious man. Tough and passing well, it was serious bra Can't even do it just a guy, you can't even believe that it could happen. How do we get seven women, naked and Evan pillar fight in front of a big, huge pitcher window? So us They wanted to be saying here, I don't know man as fuckin as beautiful brow. hey francis. What do you think is the best way to advertise of business fancies you all. You need.

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the beautiful the b. We were talking about art. All of that. These are the things that again using very unfashionable language, elevators takers beyond ourselves. but can also united with other people, run a think tank call the copenhagen consensus where we look At the world's big problems, and how we can smart, we fix and and and what we never talk about all these other issues. We briefly mentioned in the interview rate, the fact that people die from easily curve infectious diseases, that we don't have good education, that we have terrible health that we have, all these are the problems remember about three hundred thousand Women died in childbirth every year and two point: one million kids die in their first month of and we know how to fix all of these problems and often

very very cheaply so my day, job is actually trying to clean out all these other great things that we can do at very low cost could help humanity enormously and action might have surmised. Nobody cares in the in the third world right, but this is, sexy, but when you sort of runs the next hurricane that just hit the? U s and say global warming, that it is a problem, but somewhere. Somehow we have lost track of what really matters and what are the important things if you look at what is this most environmentally damaging, what a problem, what kills most people, not global warming. The world health organization estimate about one hundred and fifty thousand people die from global warming every year and I out dispute that, but we could cut into that. No, it's the seven million people who die from indoor and outdoor air pollution now outdoor air pollution, most people know that's basically a problem of of of low development. You need to put

Robbers in your coal fired power plants boring but would have well lot of people in the air pollution is the fact that about three billion people every year, so almost half this world population are so poor. They cook and keep warm with dirty fuels like tongue cardboard, and would that's a terrible way. Heat and cook and what that means is most of these people. So three billion people live indoors. where it's about ten times more polluted than it is what in beijing we don't hear about that because it's not sexy so again. But the thing we don't talk about All these are the problems that we could do so much about at very low cost. So, for instance, we do something about maternal and child ass. One power would save, So many people that you would do about eighty, seven pounds of social good for every pound spent. That's a phenomenal pay back, compare

to your prince and climate change? If we do really smart? We? U can get eleven pounds back in your pound, that's still pretty good, but much of our climate policy. You pay a pound. for instance in paris, and you get elevenpence back which is a really terrible outcome. So my job- and the thing we don't talk about is how we priorities. the entire world, not just the thing that gets to the top of the news, thing that does spring to mind is: is animals? Is is the treatment of animals right. It's like it, that they are, they are so not spoken about like the idea so so things like religion, things like think things like that that they they get mentioned in an hour the house of commons they get they get brought up and policies is like, at least on the manifesto animals are nowhere to be seen right. The idea that we, the idea that we should be vegan, is totally radical right. It's just is totally radical ideas such that, like, if you founded even mentioned in a parties manifest.

Do you think? Woe that's crazy, but what are we Looking about here, we're talking about boycotting in industry, this torturing, innocent, reaches, but how is it that become a rat the thing to do right. The reason why is because people are talking about people it is not normal lives when you say that these things are going on, people say, while I am sure that I must just be a bad apple I can't really becoming actually like there either regulations in place. You know that kind of thing is like no, that does absolutely not, and the reason we're not aware of that is because we're just not talking about it. The moment that we do begin talking about as a society is the moment that it will begin to end because there's no way once you give it a moment's thought and you relatives sure going on that. You can continue to justify the only actual justification for the way that which ratings animals is ignorance I love justification and it's not one that you are able to make for yourself, because the moment that you start making it you are no longer ignorant, and so I think that, certainly that that is

obvious to me, and I think it'll be obvious to future societies that in the same way that we look back on history and its full of white dudes everything. Ah, where were the women It's like this is one of the things I clearly you know people one people just went like representing them. They just weren't talking about them. It's like we look back, and it's quite obvious to us now right. I think it'll be equally obvious in the future that people will be like hold on these guys like losing their minds over potentially today in the european union, whilst in the time took between you know the vote, and today we ve sorted war hundreds of billions? of land animals and trillions of sea animals confucius. bodies will look back in the way that we look back and say like so these guys were like this. like arguing about this political union while they were literally owning slaves? These people were arguing about The this weirdly specific issues, what while people,

we're on slave ships. How could they possibly have that gun Welcome to this, I think people said the same thing about us right now. How would they not talking about this, how is this not front page news every single day, just because it's not in the conversation the thing it pisses me off or knows piecemeal. Perhaps was suddenly occasion it pisses me off, but I can't work out, is why the issue of the weakest in china, where its largest in terms of human beings on the planet at the moment in two and three million one and three million wages in camps and changing we ve got all sorts of heinous her. Stories of rape organ harvesting and the worst possible things you can imagine and it seems to me to be one of the great atrocities happening right now.

the sunday love of there's been a decent amount of coverage across the board, and one of those issues a bit like hong kong, which which seems too in this country b bipartisan. In the there's no want it's, not divisive issue its evidence pretty much on the same page, when there are extremes who are hesitant criticise china, but that I would say that this shames, but Nevertheless, and even though let's say the weaker she's in Hong Kong gets a fair amount of press coverage, I don't think it captures the imagination of my contemporaries and an peers and This is because we get So this is another thing with. maybe one of the reasons why we got so George floyd captured the imagination or the web hands part about the same similar distance, though how far away the Jane Jane Jane is from here is because

we're so marinated in an american culture growing up that it feels like culture, where not only is is changing a remote province of China, which is a complaint. An unimaginable well to us, but china itself, even though The biggest country in the world is, is don't think it's something well educated on at all times. Being not educated on communism idea when other educational, china at I certainly wasn't, and it's real, it's difficult because the languages very strange, very different to us it's a difficult com. hated long history and at the end, so China, generally speaking, we think this is something we should welcome, striving to understand better but the weaker that, specifically ongoing tragedy, I think, needs more attention. and for any guests who are interested in learning more about the weakest

recommend following repayment matter, who's in britain she's a wig who she's also singer and shit, various. Forces will be working together, putting our cultural events together in the uk, to China, enlightened trying, show us the the other side about wiggers that isn't just the horrible things. happenings, because what is weaker coach or, as we go through this very week, restaurants across london does not many workers in the accounting is about five hundred leaders here, but if we compare the pitcher of who they are and their wonderful music, no wonderful traditions, then so that we can eventually push the naval on this horrible heinous atrocity. Rake. We think we talk about a lot because It's always in the news in one guise or another, but we don't. about what it actually is. We don't talk Has it ass expression of hatred and control,

sexual entitlement, and that's that conversation that we're missing we see it sex. We see it force in it actually about neither of those things and wise important july. I'm asking because I I don't know much about a wise that distinction so important, because it a commonplace that is Think about is being committed by monsters who literally force a woman by holding a gun to your head. We only the most extreme cases that are very rare, and we don't look at the rape culture in which we live. It's very commonplace ask pretty much any married woman of a particular age. Sk if she has. if she's had sex with her partner male partner recently that He didn't want to have you don't call it? Rape too, you'll get very different answer, and she hell. Yes, she's been coerced into sex that's pretty much. Every woman and the age of thirty two I speak to its much

more prevalent than we think and it's real really isn't that the man marauder carrying a nice drake into women's, has, is that happens, but it's rare didn't I feel like that. We are not talking and should be talking more about the the spinal impacts of binding and things about that nature had been doing a few videos lately on that and incite people talk about the bindings effects on breast, but I think that we need to talk about the spine as if it's like the foot and we need it, I recognise that if we're pudding thirteen year olds in binders they're going to end up with with deformations. So we need to be very clear about them. I think we should actually talking more about like you know, the toxic knows of surrogacy within our society right now, and I think this idea, this of of of of the fact that, like no haven't you own designer babies and kind of assuming that everybody has the right to have a child.

It's a bit random, but I just really don't know. There's there was a show that I watched a few years ago which had these I dunno like the the family that was buying eggs from like white women and then going to india and just pumping the eggs and the sperm like these, these fetuses into these poor, the the these poor, indian women, and there are enough kids out there for us to adopt about this idea of the fact that we're all doing like surrogacy as though cause it's all. This is a new way that technology has allowed us to have a family is really problematic, and I think and then you can. You can say that, because it's about certain communities fear like the bean when they're being targeted. The brightest thing I can do surrogacy is a massive issue and I think it's a, I think it's a very and the like in a research and talked about form of why his women right. Well, I isn't some thought, and I think that what we should be things in your bathroom, not thinking about is not talking about enough,

Is the place of gold, in society. So it is my belief and it's in the firm belief of mind that that am a belief in god. From a believe, in god, flew the Is that a good society needs? We need an objective morality True strains us all from doing things which we want to do them are not good for us and what I think is required is the humility. It needs humility, You need humility to recognise and accept the belief the existence of god, scientists The belief that science solves all and that science is in some ways a replacement for god.

Will lead us eventually, damn terrible blind alley allies we need to we need to rediscover our sense of our own. Insignificance and ignorance. We have to understand that we don't understand and we never will understand the mysteries beyond human comprehension. I think- and I m the pretence that in some way we do fine, without god is a huge mistake. So that's where I think we should talk about, and I think that one of the things which is- which is tearing the country apart at the moment is the lack of any unifying belief system. We ve got an elite believes in now thing beyond what is concrete and when the materialistic and

that ignores the experience, the entire experience of human kind from its very beginning, striking you go too. I recently went to mexico and I saw these huge, strange mine temples out in the middle of the jungle, and I've never been before, and I know very little about mine but the strange thing is everywhere: you go in the world I can see the ancient structures not dame, for instance, in all these a built to the glory of god's floral all their all an expression of human belief in god, and actually I don't think we can do without that. I dont think that I mean we think we.

do it added and atheists are very chipewyan sort of cocky about it. You know me coming like crap you. We don't need that rubbish, and that's not true and because in the end the truth of the matter is that that god does exist, and he's a reality, for she is a reality. Two billion people in the world and that's what humanists and and the secular don't really take into account. an interesting point, because frances and I are both non believers. But are you here, a lot of what you're saying, because I see the effects of our laws of gun. We had douglas murray on the show recently- and this is one of the things that he said he said look I'm a non believer, but I record

nice that we need something higher than us in order to keep? us and our worst impulses and check, and I also think the weather leaf, and god or maybe just a nor as some kind of be secular, and I don't know, but there's something That comes with the word, the place where you pray? That is a community something that binds you not only in broader sense as a society. He but also bind you to your nearby community, that human beings absolutely need and what which we. struggle and we wither away and mental health is affected and I'm a non believer, but I see that I can ignore the huge difference that the emergence of Artificial intelligence is gonna, make on the battlefield, so Military technology without visually intelligence is pushing us lodge

clearly into where we were thirty years ago with nuclear weapons, is just that it would be very easy for us to miss a fact That we ve entered a new paradigm of destruction before unleash it here with nuclear power. Hence, we worked out very quickly that this, The achieved the scale where the disincentive to use them, kicked in yeah generally. If we had a we used it and it kicked in desire. No, maybe we shouldn't we nearly dead we came very close, but we didn't. Artificial intelligence in the bathroom is going the same singularity of tissue of chinese want to do, which is to use artificial intelligence to mean that things move too fast for humans to keep up with two stand what's going on here. es saying we do not want that to happen. We always want a human decision maker,

to be the one who decides whether somebody dies you do now. once I'm making that decision chinese hanging. Well, the for WU. The whole power of eye is going to be very conferring a lot faster than human beings the can- and you said,. to build that into a swarm of a thousand tiny drones, also things that can completely change vanunu, of what we think of us as a balance of power in the world. As we understand it have moments. We should be talking about my delivery move a meal. One is shameful, feel very passionate about and resent. That is never actually discussed in its own terms. is the way, though we're evangelizing or society, in the way that adults are encouraged to behave like children. And the way that children are adult defied and recovery? about everything adulthood and charles is lost. So are we I was a situation where

we have a lot of biologically mature people but who are essentially not encouraged to date himself seriously and Had that sense of moral and intellectual independence that we need, and we need that precisely for dealing with the challenges that we ve been discussing, because this is very much a grown up issue and Our children are, or people behave, childishly

it's going to be in a position to give a lead or two as sort of fight back against all the bad and negative developments that are kicking in our world. I think it's finding and agreeing on the places left goes wrong and I think it is people it should be incumbent on people to know their own ignorance on this. If somebody said to you, what's auschwitz, that person is ignorant, wickedly ignorant, they should not say that nobody should savor. Somebody said to you who is Paul part that person is also ignorant in an evil way if they don't know

By now they should now we should make sure that well, you know we don't have much of a view of what we want to do. When this is a real issued slight when as a kid in the sixties. There is this. I read a lot of science fiction, there's a sort of technologically utopia that bennett beckoned. Ruined was caught up in it post war period, the better future, We seem to exhausted that the power of in some fundamental way where we headed and why, in some positive manner, we're ready. stuck on that no political party seems to be able to formulate it, and, and so, What kind of world are returned to create and why that's what we should be talking?

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