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through life? How are you hit on okay? Well, we'll start out trying to sum pretty quick man. I was was a comedian in canada start, in nineteen. Eighty nine and no little place called punchline gas town, but wasn't there from there. I worked my way up doing tv shows and all tat sort of stuff in in canada, whatever whatever this shows with their whenever can show business was there and I think in the late nineties after we went to l a and did a whole bunch of stuff there. I was invited to come to the uk with a friend. And I did a couple of gas spots in the uk and me, the uk was not, on my rate at that time. And then I came.

home. Remember when we know- and whenever nine eleven one, because I came home and I got after doing the job words Solano- needs to be a big change them I mean what a great train you without them. And then yeah and then I came back to canada and I got this sum. Email with two pupil bomb was workin. and the lucky part was, is my lovely lady Trudy turns out she was british citizen, which I did not know at the time. Just solve everybody. The right guy did not hidden territories gradually wet She is. She goes, tom. You know my parents are English knows that I got them. There were new fee

And- and so she said, one We go over four year, but this go over for a year and see what happens bends and then next thing you know we got over here of a sudden, the tv shows came, the comedy store, I think, was the very first one, and so we at about four or five of those. And then we did. Oh god I can't remember, but the guy that represented bruce forsyth. If he and somebody he had a bunch of shows and then and then we did live at the apollo and probably the most for your viewers. We did a show no not live at the ball Michael mac and tires roadshow riot, and we did the very first one of those, and I did a joke called

meat van on there and that just when but listed like I've never seen it was like writing a hit song and then we did. Then he did the apollo that went really well and then we did the apollo and then and then couple of little things after that and yeah and then and then pretty much. I'm now just here as a fixture, because I decided to make this place, my home town, that fifteen specials deep now the stuff we want ask it by which will gain to later, but actually before we started? You were talking about live at the appalling you saying doing. The apollo in those days just change your life.

and yes how significant it was yeah and when when before, because I don't think all of this stuff was happening when we did- and I I always I always think like I'm always that last guy through the stark area- and so I hopped through the star gate, and, unlike that, was a time where you could. Probably it would be the equivalent of going viral back. Then you know what I mean, because the apollo was the only show that was out there and and Michael Mcintyre was just on ride. Up and now the apollo is is pretty much you know I- I don't know that for sure. Ok, everything that I say is only an opinion

The APOLLO now is more of a way, it's more of a thing on resin may then it is a pinnacle no, that nato and end the m an end, and I think it's one of these closed. Clubs. You know I I remember, there's a guy named anthony and who's the producer there, and I saw him at the loft bar one time and it was. It was very funny to ask them to go. So what am I getting on apollo again, then he said loud. Like that's gonna happen, since we got a lot about sticking exercises. Go now on there- and I was- I was really shocked to hear. Do you know what I mean, because I am all for diversity, but diversity also has to have that

I went to it, you know what I mean. I think- and this is there's no previous system to anyone, but again, if we're talking about days till now, and you know I feel that you know you're you're. They always said it took ten years to become a committee but thanks to the internet and in all that sort of stuff that timescale is now gone down to like I, I see people on the appalling urban kid that I know they're not going to mention, and so I ve been doing it three years and he's gonna be on the next step so which is fan? faster, you know what I mean. I've got no malice or anything like that, but I'm like while it just shows you how The times have changed how the hell industry is changed. I mean you hear of people, going on shows because they more followers.

T v show would have yours. I don't know if that's true but rings true to me yeah. Do you know what I mean so yeah to this to say to me, on the apollo now the same, I think I think a netflix special is probably would be the equivalent of what the apollo used to be. You know, because also you live in a world where you can go global. Just like that? Do you know what I mean anachronism heard of men? For me, that is like one of those things that all of a sudden, you know like you got danny slots sousa? Who is just this kid? All of a sudden one Not that for especially selling out in texas for crying out loud? How great is that you know what I mean so there's opportunity to be had there and

Well, you got to kind of roll with these changes. Can't, and you know you can't criticize you can. You can try and understand them, but you can't criticize them because they're actually happening and if you can't with those times than you know, like you like, a joggers comedians whose now not as he could only do the job was model I use interesting what you're talking about, because to me I'm going to criticise. It goes comedians hate me and I hate them better for me. Like that kid three look. You, the kids, to taking your picture. Let's less guess I strike. If any one of us have been offered that we would have gone for it. and locked, whoever that kid is, but you know it's enemy at the office, three years of gigging he's got the shocks to play. That role will there's the double edged sword. Frances.

I mean: ok, we're living in a world where two minute bit, is worth more than an hour You know what I mean, oh so this there anyway, can stumble on a two minute ass and that anyone can stumble on a two minute, ass embed. Anyone can put that on the internet and all of a sudden. Now, once you have that target on your back, there's worthy. The other side of what you are saying is: is that all this kid is really good now? Will he be able of that too? minutes now has to become an hour. You know what I mean, so I understand what you say and completely I mean. Is this kid. Is this

whoever he is a natural or did he locked out and because, once you get that exposure, you know it could be the death of you too. You know that I totally see exactly what you're saying, and I agree with it button that again, that's the world that were in right now to to be aid. To at least have that opportunity to fail or die in such a short amount of time. Yeah. It just seems to me and again this is just my perspective to me, like the people who pick that kid I'm respect in the awful, because I would say it take he's angry. May I don't know I've told him to go, can have ever done everything it doesnt. Work is gonna mentioned class in the second pillar. Item

it's that respects and the awful because to me it takes at least ten years to become what to become gloomily. Really kid, though, this is the thing like the the kid was chosen because were now in the internet world. It wasn't the kid the kids just put now: Tik tok vetting anna kids just put out an instagram van. The kids just taken his show on his iphone at the monkey barrel. He then is is is due in a bed in his car about eyebrows, Do you know what I mean like like? So it's the people that are picking em if you're talking about like industry and that sort of stuff. Well, Do you know the industry is in picking tik tok people of the industry is a very tight closed business man you're either these guys is free. If you need friends with Brian or what are these guys? You know

go and everywhere man do you know what I mean if you know a friend with jimmy car you're, not going anywhere you're like that's how tight this business is. So again, I want to use the double edged sword he this, whoever has got the two men in his lease bypasses style right. There that certainly didn't have you got all the surrounding get at it. Now that option so I agree with you. There is a tremendous amount of opportunity. Right now is well my dont the life, the their is the opportunity by the wake. As I know, people have done it who again there were less experience and perhaps they would have wanted to be and they got I dunno a thousand twitter followers off the back of it. It's it's! Not it's not life changing anymore! That's why I try not not to talk about it really cause. I don't think it's worth the discussion what I do find interesting though Tom is, a friend of mine, a mutual friend of us. Actually, another comic went to see your show in edinburgh, which has just finished and message me after I think

holmes had enough of this shit, I don't know what share he was talking about exactly, but I was curious I I I I through every rule in the book is worth what I've done. I've just got tired and less than their people to go, and will you can't pawn shop in camp punch down. You know that's a hack premise that dick joke or whatever- and I was like you know what you know at their your you are now deciding what the masses want do you know what I mean it you you saying that we can talk about this sword. This subject is off top a girl whatever or you're gonna get cancer there's so much just hear about

but what kind of material you're going to do? You know what I mean and, and I've just gone to the point. Well, you know what I'm going to take everything everybody's scared of saying and I'm gonna chuck it right in their face, and so I just I just decided you know, give me a dick joke. But I'm a talent like MIKE wilmot that I'm going to throw it out there you want. You want a airplane joke here comes an airplane joke. You want me to talk like Dave. Chappelle tell you like it is You like it is. You know what I mean I just. I just felt that you know instead of trying to fit this mold is I just? decided. You know what amount be an all round committee. And not really listen to my peers anymore, because I don't think they know what they say and I think they ve they. They believe they vic gotten to a point where they're not themselves any more there just

Trying to appease an audience. Do you know what I mean not even an audience more, their own peers? You know to because they're so afraid to look stupid or whatever you know what I mean so to to me I've just I. I have a I've gotten to the point where I will just do any type of material out to the best of my ability, and I love my strap on job- not block any kellers drafted and evolve Oh god have also got a killer. Transgender, You know what I mean an end and that's where I met right now, I'm just I'm just decided, you know no more! Here's the fires on certain rubbed, I'm just curious to talk about the aid, talk about having a mould- and these are things points that I I would have pointed out in the parson

and and the reaction always as you're, making it up it's bullshit, no one's afraid to know self sensorium comedy no one's, not saying what life but about you. I hear one out of use that you think people are doing this and you think they're doing it because they're worried about what other comedians. Yes, you think that's what it is. I'm positive! That's what it is. And to be able to go up. his stage and do and to you know I dunno do just say you thought of something funny, but you thought, oh god, you know what fuckin jeff nor cod gonna say: what's this guy gonna say because you know you worry you're living again. If I can go back you living in a room in a world where there is now rules of comedy. Comedy. Was there to break all those rules? Do you know what I mean an and we ve just gotten so far too to what you can say what you can,

say in and then once you once you break out of that and realize you know you we're there to do a job and the people that will like you will stay in the people that don't like you must stay, and you know what my peers, you know if you like, there are in the same boat as me on that one, I'm goin, if you like it, hang out with me? If you don't don't hang out with me, but I will not going to, sit there and an n b in this box that you guys are trying to keep me and now an and my first thing was. I wanted every deck joke tell every to tell bucket premise. I wanna do everything that will scare the fucker you, but that parliament's will forgive die, laugh and because you gotta, stand that you know we ve been? How can I say that women

dying out on caviar every fuckin day, lately I want to make Perhaps you I'm getting tired of the snails man? yeah. The snails is a good metaphor to too, because when you came to this country the comedy culture was completely different and the like, you said, in sort of two thousand and two thousand and one It was completely different. What was it like then, and what happened did you know, is the change. When did you notice this kind of more? Let's call it also dogs, way of thinking or sunshine way, thanking all k. I think that that all came when the ok that all came when the social

media bubble, show yes, once you started all of a sudden, seeing all these clips of all these other comedians out there- and I know I know a lot of comedians- sit there and go out and watch other comedians to watch old people's furkids bellagio guide overstep bellies thing, but possible, not to you know, and then the problem was is back. Then you can you didn't? watch a lot of people specials back then you to you were on with and that sort of stuff. But now The problem is that you do have all these comedians. It's like. it's kind of like the way a high school girl would flip through cosmo magazine. You know now: you're you're living in this world, where you're trying to compete with impossible standards because

how can you not watch every every comedian putnams thing on the thing? How can you watch that and not compare yourself to it, and you know what I mean and you feel like that fat little girl reading com nepal in going, I can never achieve this stuff have, but yet you still try which may, sue in a way a bit of a phoney, because you don't believe in yourself You know what I mean, so I think that back then you had no choice to believe in yourself an end and that's where the car, when he came from and now you're sitting there you're trying to compete with the rest of the world, which is just an impossible fucking task man and it puts it, puts a lot of. It puts a lot of pressure on you, and so, when you say what's the difference, the difference is. Is that it's hard

I to believe in yourself when you have all this other stuff going on and you're trying to compete. So you're you're trying to you, know just stay in a certain line of a certain time. back, you know, or or whatever, where I dont think you add that back in in two thousand and one two thousand do definitely didn't I but in the eighties, in every way and have it in the nineties. You know what I mean but come two thousand and ten man. It was like yellow everybody's just that fat, little girl watching supermodel, sorting tv all the time in this sort of going. I want to be like her instead of wanting to be: u frances. Do you want to protect your privacy

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what was acceptable to say or the correct way to o like the after the sexual assault, jokes yeah, may I get all that sort of stuff. because I'm a when I started getting into sound nine eighty site, if you didn't have one, if you didn't have a right, juggernaut, what's wrong with you, yeah yeah yeah, we weren't doing what was and then suddenly- and you know that's a real tough one for me to answer francis and it's not that the fear of it, because when I think of that, I I think of book burning when I, when I, when you're talking about the what, when when the what you can say what you can't say came in ok and that what we are talking about here, so I make sure the when all of a sudden, daddy any any more than I did it again. That goes where society went oversight

you seeing all that stuff on tv for real it isn't just a joke anymore. It's like it's like proper, real stuff going on, but in its defence- and I really mean this- and this is coming from- my mother while people it it's like footman you know what I mean yes, but you will get a reply. round here no more a boy what to do when we lose a town dancing, I'm- not saying that it is cool, but my my said the best anytime. You can't shortly certainty of at any time you can't because saw they were, like everybody think if this word joke is an interesting Then you know what I mean, because these subjects are jobs. Do you know what I mean a joke to me is two guys walk into a bar that it and you put that beside any of those words over Yeah cheapens is so, but if you

was sitting there going. I want to show you the absurdity of this this topic and that's what most really great comedians can do from George Carlin, but but the problem is that the word joke just just takes it out. You know, I mean and, and so the problem is, is once you hide all these jokes way. You know what I mean you put them in the dark: they just grow stronger and stronger and stronger and the only way the two actually bring you going to shine some light on important clown on that clown. Shoes clown knows on that nightmare of a thing to show that it's the absurdity so in in actual fact, by not talking about it and being in showing the absurdity behind that you know you you, you actually probably influenced more people to do it

Do you know what I mean because those new don't talk about it, the ridiculous that it is man tat? customer. Obviously I was gonna say like oh. I started from a little bit later, like twentyth fourteen are thinking and started to understand them and by that point You wouldn't hurt anyone doing right, joke on the circuit and I dont you like my life is poor. Afore I I I don't know go my god. You know we lost the great material about right, like that. Wasn't a thing that I felt on different, None of us are not I'm just I'm trying to also protect your little they because that they'll be people what's more other will yet this is where the jobs that have lasted that's my opinion. This is what he was saying. I, like you know what you did know. Fine, if you did you don't want. europe but yeah yes, and so I want to protect your low, but because I think what you are talking

wow is its important not to have rules and comedy, so people can be free to be creative, but that often gets misinterpreted deliberately by people who want to disagree with as we don't want to have rules and comedy because you want to do- and I was set about rape- not do that, that is ridiculous. I know that, but that is the way that people miss characterizing, saying sometimes so, but the freedom The that you're talking about you know before the social media comes in is fascinating because It's really. I think it's really interesting that comedians self censoring there to protect themselves from the opinions of other comedians, given the fact that that's, no that's not who whip playing to know, just as it has a comedian or as a youtube, show, host and podcast, whatever we're playing to the people watching this right. That's our job

not our job to be liked by other comedians, and yet that seems to be according to you, or at least the direction that is gone. And, of course I I I That again, I want to say anyone, in my opinion, an ingenious love to know stick, but for now for where I'm met, that's how I feel until somebody comes along and explains in a different way to me and can go? Oh, I am I is totally can see that I'm not inflexible on any of these things. But yes, I do agree, because- you live in and most of the communities living this this world called council culture, which is such a new, new thing to do? You know what I mean like does one joke. I mean that can change suddenly the whole body of work. You do one joke and all of a sudden wife, all that stuff out the bar of course, illegal activity

yeah and kind, and you know what I mean by that is that's a whole different then, but I'm what I'm talking about is also. You made an attempt at doing something a little bit more risque a little bit more dangerous and that's why you see, comedians now asking people not to bring their carers. In honour on a working night where you're trying to work out stuff, and I mean that's that it's where we're at now that again, that just shows the fear of everything and and and it's like- and it's like people just do. How can I say: paycheck comedy, I guess paycheck Many would be the best way to do it where you're, you're, you're you're really writing things Are there not to offend anyone?

Do you know what I mean and that's where men tree so Neil would agree that that just isn't comedy that's in products. Do you know what I mean like you, you? If you please, everybody in that audience. You know what I mean. Then I've also got. Spots, whereas you the best comedy that you ever had you know, there's people walk and outgoing. I can't believe he said in about again we're back to being subjective, all that has been changed as well, that the congress is cause. I guess the I think part of the reason is it. Twenty years ago people would walk out of a comedy club and they'd be like. I can't believe. I said that yeah, let's go for a pine where's now is that I can't believe you said that let's go and social media. What

we say that because that's exactly what happened is that is exactly you you're stupid ass opinion now can be translated to the world to be part of the content police. should that is out there. You know what I mean. I I guess it's just It's amazing that, back in the day, like I wholeheartedly I agree with you. I don't know how I can add to what you are about to say, because europe, You would walk out and the most people you could talk to was seven or eight guys and four of them would go to shut up, equipping such a fucking weeny man, it's just a fuckin comedy, show, you know what I mean like fuckin. If you dont like him, don't go in fuckin, see how about that mat, but europe now for you, like a comedy, show. Oh, my god, you're comes a facebook posts,

as a block. I got a block you now I got to do all of that sort of repair, adviser trip, advisor four star commit three and a half star comedian, yeah man. So I I don't know how I can I we gonna, agree with you on that point. I lie in turkey. That is fine. I can. I dont want argue that point, because it's very valid and legacy did this it it. How do you change with this world seeing the dinosaur that I am you know what I mean it's like. I was fuckin truly static vessels. They give it everyone states, it's like watching and ninetys comedian do a guest spot. That saw rick astley on the foo fighters. He goes at. You know like well welcome to jurassic park. You know yeah, so that's yeah,

yeah, it's just the whole scene is changed, so the real question is is is ok is that the pendulum always swings far. One way do you know what I mean an end? If, if you're a buddhist or any of those things, you know nothing stays the same so for What I would I like, what I would like to make is that even though we are in this world. Even though in this world of you know and before even citizen, I also don't give credit to the commitments that are playing parts. Do you know what I mean because there's a lot of young comedians out there. I don't want brought them all, the same, because there are some real. A great young comedians that are also in my bow, go in fact. This deal,

with that you know what I mean, I'm not doing that. So I don't want to do it all together, but it is safe, foregoing the other road, no and but there's gonna be a. Backlash to whatever's going on right now. Do you know what I mean these days? You can't you can't not think that is what it's just going to keep on going in that way you know what I mean, because people will eventually get bored of it and you know The people will be the next generation, because I also feel. I also feel that every generate major. This is the backlash to my generation, You know what I mean. This is not don't actually explain as well for all times you know like when you for all the things we were talking about, the kids have to talk about something different. You know what I mean: is it make a name for them

This is a man who is the father, you kids in their twenties, and fortunately I didn't get that but I think the comedians like the who, with a the burdens, maybe or whatever their there, the backlash too our thing they because you have to how? How are you gonna be the same as you dad? Do you know what I mean you have to do the exact opposite EU dad just to get noticed. So I think that also plays a big part in what's going on nowadays because you know, whereas we grew up on written pie, in all those guys and whatever billy calmly for this country, for us it was common and hague. Some people like a horse. Ok, look both for the average viewer lewd every tommy

Carl and they don't know who the rocky asia can. Unlike what which also shows the italy with the great comedian didn't really even go global mad, whereas you Allie ali Everybody knows you know nothing against Ali wa, I'm just we're just talking about the the oh god I hate when I lose support, but the advertisement something that she she er Are you fucking crazy, whereas George Carl and you know it stayed in america, booze gray, the bat lashed to them were was like, while they were backlash to the bob new hearts and all that sort of stuff. and then for the longest time whose there and then, we got to evening at the improv. I don't know if you ever remember that show and then all of a sudden it started to become a little more tv clean, which is where we show

you know what I mean. We still want to be like them, you know and then all of a sudden we probably took it may be a little too far to go back to, we had the yet know the the topics and all right we may be. We maybe did take it a little too far because he can only bring that. So far too, and I think an than these guys go well, you know, I'm not gonna, be the cleanest comic than ever was and be able to do all this sort of stuff. But what I'm trying to say is eventually that didn't next generation comedians will be bored of that and will probably go back to where we are tommy, maybe to such a good point, and maybe that will happen, I mean you are involved in now. Not a cancellation, but he soon right, jokes, Frankie both show tremor, don't lawyer, and that had it

share of scandals, member one they went all over the newspaper banned. This said so was in line to be in the centre of that the? U turn the tram at all my dad says yeah. That was tat was probably the big. I would a tribute that to the big getting of it when it was him and katy price had the are. I know what you're talking about the arguing as the explain it today, you rightly boil believe it or not. If you don't know where he is very, he loves he's one of the last loves just saying things. Fur Now it he's a very intelligent man, very intelligent man when great joke writer, but it is definitely not afraid of backlash.

in any. I remember him actually telling me conflict is better than agreement. Do you know what I mean, especially in conflict, because if you're doing comedy- and you know you just walk out and go- oh- that was nice show. You're going to forget about the dude, but if you again you go out and go lower all of a sudden conflict, you're going to remember the person's name right, so he did a joke. Obviously about harvey. I see that job and moderate a cage fire. Could she needed someone strong enough to stop having from falconer ridiculous? It was obviously ridiculous, but you also have a faint

angry monster on the other side named katy price, who saw an opportunity to go? Oh my god, this'll put me in the papers, because I don't I dont nor personally or anything like that. But I people's actions speak louder than words. and if you want a debate me on katy prices, actions overly life to either it's a bit of a five hundred martin better than the tendency will attach and seek a her had had an normally a joke like that, would just flown by four frankie, but he caught the attention of this. and all of a sudden, that became one of the biggest stories of that time and I think it ignited the while action, never thought about that until just now. So here's my first opinion on it before

It gets change to have you here is. I think that would have been one of the first times that people saw that you could get outraged at a joke and stop something because after that, They cancelled this wonderful dark show that was just getting its foot and mouth saying it was the greatest do you know what I mean. I'm not saying that travelled, all night was the greatest show ever, but did it have the potential to be like, like the next young ones or what or because the sketches were just outrageous your gym year. I can't remember the other dude, which is bad, but Jim you're in this very talented. I think it was burnished in burnaston guy, listen with them and then Frankie I mean an end. It have the potential to be this wonderful offensive.

At taboo kind of you, know right. Let's close, the curtains watch, the smoke, a big joint and you know but She was really, I can't think of any one before that who attacked a joke, so think that might have if, if I could throw in my how many marbles or in the jar theory I think that might have been one of the first outrage to show people that all I get really funded at a joke. I can actually do something about it. You know so that they do so the council, the council, because of that many this she said she, I I I don't know all the details, because when you gotta, show like that one thing about it is that Frankie's there

and you know what I mean- I'm not there yet they're not coming after me and they're, not going after gym and they're, not going after burst, and the guy they're going after Frankie. Do you know what I mean and I think she's she was going to sue them and- and you know, when you've got executives going right. I don't need this and a hassle if I get banned, you know, but in a way it also helped because Tramadol nights became like a little one season, cope a show that that's that's just out there with some really shit scotch reflex you actually a former guest of the show the other day and our foreign unrelated reason sent me a clip from that which is the professor who, Why? Why nags himself back? it was on the verge of its. He takes a student back in time.

Only half of them come back as anyway first of all that again or of its time to hear about it, is it really, though, like I mean some sketches thing, Some of them will, I mean, come on manic, just a kid jerkin Jesus off. On the cross to get back to like fuck it is. The law is the perfect time was I mean it's so outrageous, ridiculous that anyone who took it seriously. You know what I mean. I don't know what to say to you by and by they are definitely. I only got everything that years

Remember that the ass. I think that the point of view, I think that might have sparked off the outrage, the offensive of culture that that came after that for this country. I dont know what was going on in canada or I don't think they're Frankie boil if the price fight hit canada, but it definitely hit here because then you'd have all the stars like the the whatever. What's your name, cheryl who's in who's out, I call on all that get involved and go, and energy should bring people's kids into this shouldn't. Do this initial. Do that and then all of a sudden, the debate was created and the show got council, but katy got more famous in frank, got more.

So in a way they mutually help each other, but in a way they might have started the the outrage the offence. Do you can do something about it. The times we live in How much do I believe that by the thousand early april, If you were a member of the public, would you like the opportunity to ask incredible guess, like build Jordan petersen, SAM Harris, Adam corolla, Brett Weinstein's, joan bonds douglas? Sorry, Nigel ferrars, Lionel shriver, your own questions, you, where I work, and what do you think the best way to do that would be public stalking. My you'd have to call in the supermarket, probably won t like this or frozen food alt, and then just poor questions before they can escape, nor the american ones as they have gone and you'd have to be extra cap with the females assets.

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because again I wasn't in the thing in and I'm not I'm not an offensive comedian. Friends- like you know what I mean I you lead. I write offensive jokes, which are brit. you can only one of my favorite comics, I mean I've seen you go and states Tom you talk about. Say other any men here and there fifty's men here and there with these women eighteen year old dog looks as if they were yeah. Anyone give us sometimes look at that. I'm not always the answer that gig? I was in the back toying with laughter ray One was dying of laughter. There were there were few women Who made me greatly appreciate? Of course, there were met by my daughter, like that germany went just about right now they had arrived. I remember I remember haven't I do I want to use a funny name whether these are fully name and I kept trying to stick of all our friends in the telco was the funniest simply because it is

that to me yeah, it's funny. You say it because I'm also the person, the rope meet van woods near the least offensive. What but I mean I don't wanna, be a Dave Chapelle and I don't want to be a bill, birds or these guys in there all great. You know what I mean, but I want to be. well, rounded Do you know I want to be able to step Both sides of the fence, I wanna, be able to say. You know why I got a kid, shall come on up You know I want to go in and I want to. I don't want to tell him about finding your daughter. if people are allowed to think about the second stage, You know it's just it's just one of those things that you I dont want pigeon hole who I

you know what I mean. I don't wanna be known as an offensive comedian, because that's just that's just wrong. You know what I mean I wanna be known as a guy could tell an offensive Joe glue Tom stored up in a little risque but is also now is also talked about our gas for crying out man. You know so but I dont mind where we're we're talking about francis. Is I don't mind going there near? That's what you're saying I don't mind. lying there, but I definitely do not want to be labelled. Oh here comes Tom. The affair save a tragedy it. I know why that either you know what I mean I want to go home and, like I had I like there was someone for everybody in their man, but me that marks out the best comedians. If you think about bill higgs, everyone always remember his political bits, but he also remember the bit about the Gideon bible, who are the gideon

you never seen. One ever met one they're all over the fucking word light was gives a great bit of observation material. Of course you know, to meet those are the best comedians. I think that now this common need to categorize everybody kind of means out from reduces it? You know what you boys offensive to. One is not offensive to another. You gotta that there's the theirs the union, the subject of man is so prominent in art. there is no did come on man. Of course you talk about bill hext. I can remember that first time I saw wasn't even I it was on rarely dangerfield special. I was in a town small in a hotel I dialed nine and I got the elmer dingley residence. You remember that what do you know that? What did you see so you're right? He does and then all of a sudden he launches into advertisement.

So it does. He does have that range you're mad. He could do but the more he does. One thing more people want that thing in its hard him to stay true. to you know you catches children and an attack on advertising. I see what you're saying built. No, you don't get what I'm saying. That's the angle there bill. I don't say what you said and then he got solves in a hotel, so spa died. It's got it So maybe you grow in two who you are. You know you give the people what they want sure. If that's the way I would like to go on, I mean I don't wanna. Just like you say go away. Theirs, if people really liked that, I should do more of that. I know I gotta stay true to the yeah stay true to to the all all all aspects of the It's good to be able to write all different kinds and jokes. Everybody must agree on that.

You know what I mean and, and I'm I'm pretty sure, even these the one thing I do know about maidens, even these young ones. They do have dark jokes, but they just won't tell them on stage, don't tell them at the table in the comedy club going around around I just I don't that's kind of one of the funny things said to me and Francis, because we get criticized by comedians a lot for the things that we say We're only saying the exact same things there saying in the car on the way home. We're too Of course you do that's all they were saying and nothing more, but listen and coming to edinburgh and coming back to you were talking about you. If you want to I, I actually. I suspect that what you're really talking about is you want to be authentic, to who Tom stated you want to be you rather than trying to be somebody else to let the audience guide you in what kind of material you're gonna do yeah yeah

what I find weird doubt is: obviously, while you were in edinburgh, jerry satellites, his show gets pulled. I'm going light. If you ve seen jerry satellites ever If you read the title of a show, if you read the promo like you can possibly be under any illusions that this is a I who is deliberately offensive and that's the act right. It's the act and yet, even that, like he does everything he can, to make sure people understand, I'm an offensive canadian. He shows called not for any one. I don t can get clear on that, and yet some house people still will come to his show, they'll get upset complained to the venue. Maybe was the staff and the venue I suspected that complaint? Oh, I got Leah could do ya, do before we go in that year. The staff I went-

I was on my last tour. I played a place called the glee club used. I use the word appropriate if I use the word gay and read just because it from, but in current yet near horse. Do you know what I mean: I've never but going out on the street and give whatever this? and yeah. I had that the staff complaints are now and the next day they said Tom is those two words on tonight show because whatever were algae, b, t q friendly here and I'm like- are you kid May you think, I'm not I'm my daughter's a dancer and not get out of your fucking mind. I've been the parties with two kids that were break it up. Talkin to these two boys gone. You meant for each

weatherman, what do you do, and you know what I mean like like just cause: you're you're, you're, you're topics or whatever doesn't? What do you think weight gain? Look at my man, but with jerry jerry was an interesting one over the first of all because it yes, he is offensive. There is no doubt about it, does not What were you said? Not for anyone perfect table everything said, but what would I? What was I heard was got into the. Racial hatred area? you know what I mean and and and I'm glad jerry's out there, because personally I'd again, I don't think he would match that that. I dont think jerry's a racist any way from the man.

that I know and all that sort of stuff, but because he saw offensive he I think you are, Go there? Do you know what I mean you want at least talk about it in your own way, create the absurdity valid it. But I wasn't at the shop so I'll get dribs and drabs of what happened. But in a way again with with a guy like jerry to be banned too, band is kind of what he wants do you know what I mean to be banned? from what I heard from it banning him, and he only had to shows anyway. It's like. Let's not, let's not thank god- oh my god, jars, but bad. For the whole ryan? How will we ever he only had, two, she always the first one and after he got banned, is actual tour soul. oh man because because you're right, if you go

to jerry satellites and thinking tat over all the year. This man has cultivated of trying to offend you from day fakir weaker I punched out in montreal, I believe for a moose fucker and all the canadians were like that's not the half of it and for him to get banned at thousands and listen to. We don't condone this kind of art form whoever the, I can't remember what the old sad we we don't support that kind. Somethin I interrupted. I got this important moment. Arrive they didn't actually say we don't support this kind of material. You know what they said: Tom. We don't film. We dont support the opinion jerry satellites expressed on stage. Yet all the opinions

right. So your comedy act is now your opinions. Yes, yes how often does our well Firstly, works no I'll. Give you a little bit ridiculous, but anyway surrounds rob. Did you see point you are making is its to benefit which thanks by the way that it should be too has been trying to cancel jerry. You he's one of those guys if you try to cancel you'll only make em bigger. Yet you know, if you really want to hurt him, ignored. It is I have just fucking, ignored it and said only one more show. Let him get them out of here and then he's gone yeah, but what you did was yeah you, you you. It made him. You made him more popular than ever. Now all the racists are going to come. Yeah like you know, I got the gay pink dollar. It got the racist dollars dollars committed, yeah, yeah, so yeah.

to me. That was a lot of people said. That was the death of the festival because, because efficient happen to him. Imagine what can do to comedians that wouldn't survive it. Yes, do. You know what I am that's the real scary point, a new agreement that yeah, of course, do men, because now now you can see there is this again another underlying fear, have to worry about out. There is the oh, my god, I say one wrong thing: if I offend the the bartender whatever and I whatever coming back. I could lose. My run now an end and am and in in the fund. Not its biggest jerry is that you're actually, could have your there was that there was a kid.

Lad kid a little while back that they got really mad at that. It actually did happen too. and I dont know- if you remember he was he was doing lad. That Olaf's zapper laughs may use the opposite ended. He got banned and then his career just went down the fuckin tubes, man from the festival so dapper yeah man so he's the opposite, he's something that could happen because they were, they were what you said. They were putting his opinions. This is a character he's doing, but people it decided that those were his opinions and boom gone. You know what I mean, so you didn't have. The same strength is varied to rise up to it, the unknown, because jerry had the the people, the go like you're saying that are, you know, of course, fairies offence of these

the most offensive. Come it. What do you think you're not going to see an offensive comedian and, as you can already had been dapper? Who is the opposite of that man? He got. He got hammered and we ve never seen him since man never seen him since, and he was just doing a character on what You like it or not, is character was despite all of what goes on in oh, yes, Tom,. Do you ever worry about comedy the way it's going and light you saying these things happen, or did you have faith that you said that it will swing back of faith? A little swing back frances, I you know, because there is the other thing. If I was if I was twenty years old, this is my starting point. Do you know what I mean and how do you know that these kids, these these new comedians

they're just early on in their career. You know what I mean, maybe they'll be looking at again. I can't believe I did that, you know what I mean like every other comedian looks back on their material in those global embarrassed. That even did that and change as every comedian has an arc to them. Do you know what I mean the leaden some of em? Don't they don't go anywhere, but the real good ones have amazing arc to them. That will change and, and- and I think I do think- that the car he goes through periods. Do you know what I mean? This is just where we are and we can talk about it like what one right now we can we can plain about. We can show its merits. We can show its faults, you know, and but an frosted scary, because it's not World we now do you know what I mean it's like. Is this whole new everything we know is slowly slipping away, and now I'm you don't try. I have to

find my place in it without changing who I am do you know what I mean? That's a very tough route to go down. You know, but I'm gonna have to do our work I fade away. You know what I mean like. I just got on tik tok for fuck sake that and I'm like. Oh, my god, I got one hundred and seventy four thousand views on something and mind griffin levels went up through the roof, so in a way. To me in I as much as I don't like it, I can. I also find it a really good tool for me too, you know what I mean because, because there is still gotta. Remember there's enough of us. There was enough my generation to fight off this integration. You're right, you know like do you know this doesnt enough? of fifty roles in that that love that take its shared, that fucking hate it back in

and they want. You know that they want the dave. Chapelle talk about plan, JANET, You know where, as you know, and you could see the push and into if I can use that as a nice example, you can see the push you know like again, but it take the strong comedian, like that, to lead the charge in in something. So you ve got the younger ones that are fighting them this way, but you also got his fans that are going shut, the fuck up and and but he again just that's the change we were moving through for me like I can't deny it isn't happening again. berry my head in the sand and an eye, and I can also just see them even though I may not like it. I can also see them as tools, and how can I use these tools to inject my kind of car? de in their like throw a little. You know

If the the clock and- and maybe maybe influence one of these young Her companions to be allowed to say he's so bad to show them another way. You know yes, maybe maybe it's I'm positive on which to wrap up tom. It's been a real pleasure rival, people will come and see you. I think they ve got a flavour of the stuff that you did very good comic, of course, The last question arose: ask is always the same, which is, what do you think is the one thing we're not talking about as a society that we really should be well thing we're not talking about as a society. I think we're not talking about the death of the lead singer of the tragically hip

word down the canadian icon that didn't make it globally, but was probably one of the best singers and one of the best bands in the world that got shoved under the car. but for some reason, and only really remained in canada, and I think we should be talking about them and and letting the rest of the world introducing them to the tragically hip and and let the we talked about it. A little more than than the world would have one great another of the great bans that their missing I don't have time. Thank you so much for coming on blue urine, tik tok, whereas two people define rally,

Some data on a man I am reluctantly whatever the dead to facebook, take tactic I've known as the commander on twitter, gotta instagram, were somebody else said Tom stayed so stayed dot com, Like just saying these things out loud makes me feel like the hypocrite. Might we just joined Tik tok, so I'm pretty sure you'd be able find me really needed to and you also untold dont forget to put it all. Yeah yeah, I'm on a gig death. That war is one thing you have. Thank you man, I'm so bad at that I'm so bad, promoting

I'm always too god I always that their go. You no word further with the damage to the baker yeah. You gotta Tom, stay dot, com, can find were playing and come into ethic. We all about forty fifty dates all over the ok yeah yeah. You can join the loyal stayed in ease fans that I've been with me since the beginning. I love them off parted with them. I use a if everyone cigar watchmakers to me you're one of the finest comedians work. At the moment I love watching your stuff France is no solution, but it's the truth. He looked at me as well. Why waiting for me to remind you that I love you knows well we're both big plans to make sure you go and see him, and I thank you for watching and listening we will see very soon were another berlin episode like this one or or show all of them go out at seven p m:

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