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with research and writing on the episode actually forgot to give her shout out last week. Did we yeah, I felt bad sorry Lana, I try to control she'd, been so helpful, she's giving us so much support. Lately. It's amazing So in this episode work covering the murder of Colleen, slimmer, we're going to knoxville tennessee place that you and I know very well extremely well- have spent a lot of time there s. Have a lot of family in and around that area. And a lot of reasons to visit that location, most people, I dont, believe gibbs will be familiar with the name. Calling slimmer and not a lot of times right with our t cat episodes. Do we give the name of the victim in the title, but we are this time most people probably

associate this case with a woman named christopher pike, sure the problem I have with. It is she's just one of the perpetrator, she's, the most well known, she's, thought of as the ring leader, but it's hard to put like three names into the in the title. So that's a little front for us. Also. Christa pike became the youngest woman to be sentenced to death. In recent times. I'm in a very very long time, so you. For that reason. She is pretty well now and we are also going to tell this case a little differently. We're gonna start out with crime, something we very rarely do we ve done. It just don't do it all that often look you're right. We don't one reason, there's burial information out there about the victim calling slumber, which I think is very sad.

It is, but you know that with the media and everything that kind of focused around christa because of my own, fortunately, because how terrible crime was yeah, I think that's what they ve done I really surged I no longer search to. We just we just could not find much em for me. She's out, thereabout calling slimmer mean she's the victim in this case, but we don't have background on heard. Just very little after, like you said, gives I think the media latched onto Christopher I egg and maybe people will see why, as we get into the episode, It doesn't make it any less sad that the victim, in this case wasn't really represented. Her story, wasn't really told another. There might be some books out there that that I haven't read

but in all the research really couldn't find much about calling we know that colleagues slimmer was from orange part floored. She was in still tennessee specifically to attend a job core programme which will talk about a little bit. But this story, He takes place on a winter night about eight p m on thursday January twelve. Ninety ninety five four people, nineteen years calling slimmer, eighteen year old, christa pike said ten year old to darrell ship instead, ten year old, should dial Petersen their headed to blockbuster infer Oh, you, young uns out there, just so. You know blockbusters where you used to go rent movies before you could literally gibbs watch

thing. Your heart desired at the touch of a but yeah for a red box. You find even read: me I'm talking thoroughly on demand, pressing or a button. On my remote control there is hardly We thing I can't watch in a split second networks on a network Hulu amazon, there's about re to be disney in see universal as a whole. Bunch of new ones coming out so many apple tv pluto, pluto, oh yeah, pollute. I know you like, but blockbuster back in the day was kind of like a destination. It was your father Eddie saturday night we gotta get the blockbuster daylight. Let's go pick a movie. in all days. It was these the age s tapes right than when we meet. then too dvds was bought, buster and chill that's what they were near, what we did like western chill so these

for individuals. They all knew each other through this job core programme, and what this is. This is a government funded residential programme so they lived there that assisted disadvantaged kids, a lot of them were high school dropout the age of you, no fifteen. Sixteen to the early twenty so like life skills, life skills. career skills, yeah things like that, but the important thing is that they live there. They were teaching. Skills. Christa pike into darrell ship were any relationship. They were friends with a dollar petersen kali knew all three of these individuals, but I dont believe she was friends with them. In fact, she in Christa had some fights some squabbles on

pretty regular basis. They were minor incidents, but they they were getting into it. But for whatever reason and I couldn't find the reason she tried. Did them enough to go to block buster that night with those people, Well, you know someone says a scooter blockbuster, unveils wanna go you say: yeah cause. I'm gonna rent me something, and I'm gonna go to the candy little candy zone they had, they did have a candy zone. They did. They also had popcorns. Our also went to the twizzlers section, No, you like to others. The problem is gives what calling didn't know was that christa had it out for her I mention these squabbles these little minor altercations that they had had Chris the believe that colleagues was trying to steal her boyfriend too narrow, and she was unhappy about most women when they think that another woman is trying to steal their boyfriend Colleen, also

doesn't know that the group she is with has brought some weapons, including a clever and a box so obviously, if she had known any of this she's not going to blockbuster with these people so as their walking to blockbuster Christa mention that she had a bag of we hidden in this part. Called thyssen part is actually a part of the university of tennessee col of agriculture. I guess if you're gonna grow we'd have we must place the statutory I don't think she was growing it, but I guess you're saying review. If you, if you need a place to hide your we'd, the department near the department of agriculture, tenable in them the main thing here is calling as lured right into this park by Christa and when they get their christa confronted her and an argument broke.

But it progressed to so much more than that it became physical christa, one wayne began banging Collins head off. Her knee mean this is something what you would see in a u f c fight, yeah skull, breaker man and his actually legal in a you: have sea fight, but boat people sign up for that they know. but they're, getting into sure Colleen didn't sign up for those christa through her to the ground. She was kicked repeatedly. This got very vicious, punching, kicking stabbing to the point where Colleen was begging for her life and asked christa Why are you doing this to me? Obviously, this all comes out later from Christa. She tells people she looked up at me in and asked this question, but what christa said was that it

her angry. It angered her that Colleen had to ask. Why are you doing this to me? Like you should know what she's trying to save you know. I'm doing I guess I don't know that she, really said that now what she did say- and maybe this goes more to the point- I don't know- she's said it's harder to hurt someone when they're talking So I don't know if she was more upset about the fact that she thought calling should know and why they were having this huge vicious fight or be quiet because you're making it harder for me to hurt you because you're making more personal, maybe yeah, but whatever the case them. The more Colleen talked, the more she got kicked in the face and although ray they beat her gives this one and for some, where between thirty minutes to an hour

that's a long time to be being it he's very long time. You can see, a lot of damage done, and under a minute at a good fight. Somebody can do more as damaged in a minute, so dawn and on and on wine, and I set up front. This is a party, early, brutal crop, no doubt about it, but you're right, immigration of your the The legislation is a long time I ever saw point again: Colleen is for her life and she starts to try to bargain with this group. telling them that in what I'll? Just leave I won't even go back to the job, corporal I'll walk straight to florida You just leave me alone, but they don't. They keep beating her multiple times she tries to run away. They catch her at one point, two darrell tripped her.

Actor to the ground and he held her down so that she would stop struggling Colleen was then drag to another area, and this is when they broke out the box car. And started using it on her stommick different areas of her body. Unimaginable has really brutal man and it gets works, and we know The dots? So I'm not giving anything away by saying that, but you have the autopsy later would say they believe she felt everything everything that's going to happen to her this night up until literally her time of death and there's more to come. That's a scary thought. It is scary man. She had to suffer that

and she did. She really suffer at one point. Colleen apparently said something to crystal that she was going to tell on her. She was Tell every by the job core which she had dine. Chris later said the waste went off in her head that this can happen and I can't be put up for attempted murder. I can't get kicked out. I can't, go to jail. All of these things running to her head lead her making the decision that she had to stop com from being able to do this right telling other people she just can't have that happen. She could have walked away and it would have been up to that point, a pretty brutal assault sure, but she could have left it at that dealt with the consequence.

Says and went on with her life, but I think give she standing over. Calling collins bleeding. There's a point: did she made a decision right? Always have that point where you make a decision to go laughter, go right and I think she's got voice. in her head says go this direction. Yeah then must have listened to them, because one lean tried to roll over tried to get up and run away crystal, took the meat cleaver and put it right nor by causing you know a huge caught in collins back, but this doesn't kill her and she's she's wounded, but she's not dead at a certain point,

it to daryl, finds a rag and he wrapped the rag around callings mouth. So she can't scream so no one else will hear them in Christ takes the box cut her and she cuts collins throat several times the autopsy listed a six inch gaping wound across the middle of her neck and a detailed out. The fact that you know went through the fat it went through the muscle of the neck. This was deep does extremely deep. It also listed out neo ten others ash wounds- some in her arms some enter across her neck and we knew that arms were the defensive gesture, but it was basically every time Colleen tried to.

She was pushed down and more damage was inflicted upon her at some point, the attack they took off Collins shirt and her brow so she's naked from the waste. in sum in the group, would later say that was to keep her from running away she wouldn't want to run away because she's topless that doesn't seem to make any sense not at all. But I think this is an episode disease, story, where a lot of things are not going to make sense right a lot of things at these eighty in seventeen year old people dead, right and alive things that they said and then still today say what was it come to think of the source is coming from. No you're. Exactly right story can only come from one place that there were four people that were there, that

one of the individuals we know dies, that's calling Colleen slimmer. So this whole story can only come from three different people. No one out so they are brutalizing, this young woman and to dare all may it's the decision that he's going to carve a pentagram into her chest with one of the weapons that they had with them will talk about to darryl a little bit later, but he dabbled in a little bit of satan. Isn't he would admit that, but again, Colleen is drawing on something I don't know where it's coming from some type of willpower gear, to try to stay alive, she's trying to get up and run away after everything she's been to specially to her throat man. She still hang in there and that survive.

Instinct kicks, but she's not gonna get away crystal takes a big chunk of sport and she heaves it at Colleen hits or in the back of the head, knocking her down into their own christa, take pieces of this asphalt and begin beating her with it increased. his own words later to police. She would describe colleen breathing blood in and out said that Colleen was jerking, but she didn't stop. She just kept hitting her. This is when two darrow claims that he got uncomfortable with. What was going on which seems a little late in the situation, now get uncomfortable, really outrage. carved into parameter chest and he wind in beating her with a chunk of asphalt, but now

all of a sudden, he started to think you know what. Maybe I'm not doing the right thing here. Maybe it's time for me to stop. So he says that he walked away, walked down the hill in this when crystal pike be Colleen today, she would later tell people gibbs that she wanted to hit her head until she could see her brain and she doesn't. She does it It just tells you what kind of person we're dealing with here in the form of crystal pike and back to the very beginning. I think it's why the press focused so much attention on her because the things she said, the acts that that she committed, not that the other people weren't bad, because they did they were, but she was by far

The most brutal she was the ringleader he was so bad when the coroner did his autopsy. So typically put a letter or number by a kind of wound, anything that they need to take a picture of for future evidence. They decide these letters. He actually went through the alphabet, because there were so many that he had to back off. just concentrate on the major, the bigger wounds, the bigger stabs slashes and not cause we are on the smaller issues. It's really telling yeah myself, brutal, extremely brutal. This was so to darrow comes back from his little walk about during the time that he was gone. However, far he went, Christie killed

calling he said when he got back Collins head was quote all busted open on the saw his words, so they drag collins body to a wooded area and they left it on a pile of dirt. There were some debris they through Her clothing in some near by bushes, so Christa has killed calling- and this was likely a very brutal murder, but before she laughed, she cut off a piece of calling skull and took it with her as memento as something well again. For me, I just go was further into. You know, really telling you how depraved this person was, or I gibbs. Let's take a quick break, hey. What are the important dates that we all remember: birthdays, anniversaries, holidays right. These are the important dates that most people,

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up, something in finding out that you ve using something that was used to help kill a woman nauseating nauseated. Well in in, let's look at it from a different angle: if you're going out to hurt someone to kill someone. Do you take along something that you borrowed from a neighbor that doesn't make a lot of sense? Why they disdain throw it away in tow over the bar from they lost it were by another one, but that person knows they board. So if it comes out later that a woman's found in the words and has a meat leave her like wound keeping wound in her back. You is the owner of that me. Cleaver

it'd be thinking ha ha. This is the person that bought it from me. None of that just makes any sense to me. But again we are talking about very young people, making horrible decisions, not thinking things through, not king about anything, but you have their raw motions. The armies, don't have you any thought for the sanctity of human life and all right they were able to take. This girl's lie christa pike in particular. What seems to be a very easy man for there for her, I mean really when the time is left to go to blockbuster and circle back. It's only two hours and fifteen minutes yeah they're they're back to the dorm. By about ten fifteen yeah and like we mentioned this attack was

thirty forty five minutes, some people estimate it could have been as long as an hour. You know there. time to walk to the park, there was time to get to the gas station dispose of things there was a lot of dilly dally. Let's put it that way and I think the even though for they're into the mine, sad or the lack of thinking on the part of crystal pike. So she gets back to the job core place. She's euphoric. It's almost gives as though she is super hard on the fact that she has committed murder. She goes and talks to her friend can and literally tells her what she's done boasting about it. I just killed Colleen, but that's not the most bizarre part. Cam would later say that, Christa, as she's striving the murder is dancing

and in a circle. She's laugh she's, giggling, and she singing la la la la LA, however, many laws as those is starring in a broadway musical yeah, describing the fact that she just murdered a woman, and then she reaches in her pocket, as she pulls out the piece of skull that she brought with her and shows her that she's had be about look at my souvenir. So imagine your college days you de Roo made a friend, not lifelong friends. I say, but you know each other, you you ve, become friends Is your roommate comes home and says: oh, my gosh. man, I'm so happy, I just killed our mutual acquaintance. That goes to school. Here.

Joe owned by the way. Here's a piece of Jos Scott, when you think about that pretty cool. It's absurd right wing when think about it when you say when I say The words out loud gives. It's like. I dont believe them, but it happened. This is all backed up by christians friend cam I know I wouldn't be sleeping in that same rumours, everson ever again. No, not if she is capable of that now. The thing about it is him doesn't go to the authorities right away. You would think somebody would but- she makes a decision not to there's. Somebody comes in, tells us a story, and you think there, pulling your leg. That's one thing so mean

one tells you the story, but I like now whatever you never do that, but then she pulls out a piece of the skull. That's when you know stuffs real man so the next morning it happens to be friday. The thirteenth christie is with came again in its documented in the court record gibbs that during this conversation, the next day Kim asked christa about the skull. What you do with the peace of the skull. She says: I'm gonna eat breakfast, you getting into some, not you're not already into the macao, but it's getting even stranger, chiefly in the world. Bizarre christa told another classmate the same thing right I killed calmly. she's even apparently wearing the same shoes, she wore when the murder happened and tells us classmate. That's not my that's collins blood. On my shoe

again, this classmate doesn't go and tell anybody doesn't go to the authorities so she's trying to come off as a bad ass. Look at me. This is wrong. I'm going to do to people who crossed me. If you try to take man from me. I don't know, I don't know what was going on in her head, because she has said right. Dad She killed Colleen because He didn't want her to go back and tell people what she done. But, yes, she does goes back and starts telling all kinds of peat everybody that same day, friday thirteenth collins body was discovered? This is pretty early eight a m. By boy of the university of tennessee grounds department. I guess, gives when this guy first solve the boss. He thought it was. The corpse of an animal has been beaten so badly. Colleagues,

body was in such bad shape. This has nothing to do with decomposition right. This is the very next day this has everything to do with the extreme physical damage that these individuals inflicted on her, but eventually he figured out. It was a warm so he notified the police investigators com. They robot the crime scene there looking at the semi nude body of Colleen, slimmer, one of the officers on the scene later said he was sure. Where her face was he didn't know what body part exactly he was looking at. You didn't know where her face and he knew where it should have been probably break based on the rest of the body, but it didn't look like a face. That's that's how

disfigured big appeared. She wants from the blows of the asphalt cuttings and all of it. This is when Christa did, something that begin not very bright, but it is something that a lotta killers do. It's also something that I can never rat my head around round. Four: five p: on that day, crystal shows up at the crimes. She has some of her girlfriends with her. She starts talking to the police officer asking them what's goin on Why you marking this area off? She asked them who the victim was a guess. They were there for about. Fifteen, That's christa was the only one that spoke. None of the other girls said a word, but she did enough talking, this officer that he took note of a few things first off, he saw tat. She was wearing a painter. Graham now

which obviously gibbs is going to stand out later as soon as they figure out that a pentagram was carved into the chest of of calling slimmer, sure manner can be hard to that mean you could say was at a coincidence, pratt doubtful wound hop that this cop said this girl was acting giddy. It is almost as if she couldn't contain her, sight. She was examining all the wrong kind of emotion, for that scene of events, you know you're at this park there is a huge crime scene please say so. My tie your first reading Action is not to go ha ha, that's not it like! Oh my gosh, it's terrible! She didn't do any

so she inserted herself into the case and basically, what she did is provide her self up to police as a suspect you're, not that she probably wouldn't have become one anyway. She had done so many strange things talk to so many people. It was going to come out. But to go to the crime scene and be very suspicious right away and thinking of the police cast doubt on the rain or might as well be wearing assign around your neck. That says, I am the one you're looking for yeah should is handed out put your hand out with a piece of skull on your hand and said, here's the rest, so they can go ahead and you know rescue it's about thirty. Six hours after the crime or january fourteenth to darryl should dollar and crystal

were interviewed by police christa into darrell show up at the police station right off. The bat officers notice that they're, both wearing pinta gram, necklaces, let's go to the police station, must not try to hide anything. This is put this on the outside of her shirt. They can see it lets where a necklace with an emblem on it that match the wounds found on the victim this, not a long drawn out that basically the minute they start talking to christa, she admits everything gets out back. Oh my god. I think that read somewhere gives it was forty six pages, of interview notes, but this is not them grilling her. This is them just taking notes on in our everything she's spilling she's is happy do give. today are all darrow admitted what happened much less. On shadow,

right. We don't talk much about shadow, we don't know as much about you know what role. Was it deadly anywhere near the level of christ. I mean It was close to them level of two there, but she was at the crime scene. She was and she didn't doing, stop. She was in bed yeah she might have even beginning yo. Participate in the punching? The kicking you I don't know just because again not much focus was ever placed on her. Most of it went on Christa a little bit onto daryl. Not much on her. So let's talk about the three of them. A little bit too Darrell shit. He was from Memphis tennessee met christa pie. Through this job corps programme he was only seventeen years old at the time a year younger than Christa, he admitted to

the authorities that he had been in two satanism. Since around the age of ten. It's really early it seems very early. He also said that he got christa into it as well. As they were having this relationship so Jim. The painter gram. Necklace Apparently, he was also wearing a hex. A gram earring is familiar with the hacks aground parenting Does a symbol for conjuring or controlling deem now, we know now, we now gives I still maintain my argument that it's not the right accoutrements to where to the police station, when you know you're about ready to be interrogated about. A mark here I would have stayed clear of those which, whatever we say this autumn

whatever you're into on the side behind closed doors or whatever right. Let your flag fly, leave it at that. Leave it there, but if I get called down to the station regarding a furry murder. I'm not gonna where the furry suit the wooden. It would make no sense. In fact, you can arise, the first suit from your residence, exactly gonna planted under your bed. Ok now I know just be careful what you find ernie embed this scary thing about that is just getting my finger. Prints inside your bedroom, probably would put me away for much worse things most likely than the planting of the furry suit apps I got. I gotta think this whole thing through your back to the court documents. Six days before the murder two darrell told some one that he needed to make a human sacrifice. Don't tell people this

I'm not telling anyone how to get away with something shouldn't be doing any this in the first place it is talking about. You know how I don't love dom is the right word, but it just doesn't make any sense. Now. I think I think they were dumb. Now we're going to find out that krista's now she's actually very intelligent. I think the things that they did were not smart. They were though they were dumb yeah. The things now later on to Darrell is going to tell authorities that the killing of calmly had nothing to do with human sacrifice. It didn't if anything to do with satanism at all. To start our is a ouija board. The Luigi board didn't tom. Do this, do that he didn't have a ouija board at one point: oh yeah, that was in the court document, okay

so he said not a first right didn't set out for this to be a human sacrifice, but once it got to a certain and then once he carved the painter gram, it kind of words and even even thought of it that way, I think in his mind, he's like set out to do this by opportunity presented itself, but now that it's gotten to this point, here's my human sacra Yeah, that's kind of the way I viewed it sure you're too curious I'm going to walk away for a little bit? Oh yeah, I I don't. I don't buy that at all. I buy the fact that maybe he walked away, but not out of can't believe we're. We're at now one thing about two darrow heat didn't, have any history with the law, but it is a really mean anything. Does it I he's only seventeen years old. I think if anything, it just means here we talk about a lot of killers and they have a lot of things in their background.

times crimes at a very early age in have anything like that. We also just talked about a guy that, if you believe his wreck, I didn't do anything really really bad until he was fifty some years all right in the last episode. That's true. I think, if anything, it into play. Maybe at sentencing right there was talk about that. You have no priors. Does that make a difference, because he was ultimately found guilty of first degree murder and can spare seed to commit first degree murder, but he was a minor if he was an adult he would have been eligible for the death penalty, but and so he got a life sentence plus twenty five years, but to darrell ship will be eligible for parole and twenty thirty five, it's only fifteen years yeah, I say only fifteen years along time from

albert sixteen years and my math is a little off or something oh, how old he would be, but it goes quick. So my math is correct, which it wasn't just just now, but I'm thinking he was born- seventy eight, which would make him today, forty one wish per se in fifty six. He we out of pearl, probably denied probably dinner I'd in even if he gets out it will mean that he spent forty years of his luck, by chance he got out on on the very first time which, like you said, probably will not. Forty years of your life think back and imagine giving up the last forty years, you're gonna make. As you know, I can do that. I know I didn't go back. I know you can subtract that, and so can I, but I would be six years old and there's a few years in there. I would give back you know so, as a couple you, don't remember that land back couple, I repeat couple you were forced to repeat:

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involvement. She had I'm thinking. It was not that much. They weren't able to find physical evidence to really tie her that in fine clothes being with her blood on it like they would, with kristen to dare or because they do in a large part of the beating. I think christa special, I think just the fact that she was there yeah didn't do anything to stop it or go for fine help. Probably you know just the association to the crime She was definitely there. That part is no, I think, prosecute had a hard time really time her two specific acts so in the end she walked out of this whole thing with a plea deal six, his probation for accessory after the fact that threw me a little bit. Yeah

I guess there saying ok, she helped dispose of her facts. She helped dispose of her ideas. Please help, I mean the knife, maybe that's how you get to be an accessory after the fact. She definitely did not kill calling slum like that from all indications. That much is not so she never really did any time. No, months, probably while they were putting the plea deal together, and you can imagine how colleagues mamma to fill yeah. I dont believe she was happy with this part. Should dollar a sin really walking away from her daughters, murder. Now we get to crystal pike, and I said right, the ringleader she was born, the tenth nineteen. Seventy eggs in west region. She was born prematurely and we talked a little bed gibbs. I think in other cases about premium pete people being born.

Prematurely, it can cause some issues and it's not going to cause. I want to be a killer, it can in some instances I think cause behavioral issues. Premature anything can cause monsieur yeah, all kinds of different issues like a king she did not have a good charter was raised. I her grandmother until Christa was about twelve years old. There might have been a big moment for her you're losing this really the only person in her life that was kind of on her side supported her, especially the age of twelve right age of two of for a girl and you and I both have girls that can be a rough age too. Well, thirteen years old, I'm living through it right now. You are living through it right now and I have been there and you've been there already with another one, so yeah, but both them are different. You know I, I was lucky enough to have two

girls, you were lucky enough to have a boy and a girl. You can say it either way you want, but right so I went through it twice. I don't think they're ever the same right. No two people are the same by the age of thirteen krista's father, who was then taken care we're kicked her out of the house, but it's the reason why he kicked her out and from what he said. It's that his two year old daughter that he had with his second wife said that Mr sexually abused, her start something you hear a locked now, a thirteen year old girl molesting, Another girl a young young girl and her sister on top of that. So she had to go live with burma. The problem was she never had bonded with her mom. Remember she with her grandmother, for whatever reason her mom couldn't take care of I didn't see all that, but but now she's back she,

being with her mom and from the research yet the sense that this was environment for christa, where there were no rules ngo cause. You know what happens when kids don't have rules just never good man. If you don't set rules, you're gonna have a bunch of issues. Well, if you don't set rules for a child where's the bow, right. How does a a child? No! I can go right up to this, but I can't go past it right because that's the rule that sets the boundary of what I can and cannot do if you're in a free for all then do whatever the hell you want. You can looking chaos, people out of control you're. Looking at no consequences for your actions, that's what I always think right, my kids. They always get mad at me for the discipline, I'm sure your kids did. Who, when they were younger and in your head, you're thinking yeah. I know I was a kid too. I didn't like

yet, but I also know why my parents did it there's a reason for setting boundary well sure- and we know that she didn't have any boundaries clearly that night she their boundaries. Could she just kept on? knowing and going in doing what she thought you could do and look at its almost as if she acted like there, be no consequence of the way she boasted yeah that night the morning she just kept go on. I can tell anybody I want about it I'll, go back to the crime scene and talk to the cops, because you know what somebody's going do. Anything now, I'm not putting this all on her mother. Don't get me wrong, but that's not a good environment for a child. Think most parents listening would agree with that chris, there was described as very unruly during this period of time she was all

described as a pathological liar by by members of a family. Where are you if you're not going to give them boundaries if you're not going to have some type of rules, they're gonna break em when they're gonna cover up that with a bunch of lies right. That's true! If and when you do try to call somebody out on something and they're gonna be manipulative towards any in everybody yet, and I think she and you know I know that's the nightmare- lets a kid you Do not want around your kids at all. I think that is borne out in the research members of christians. Family said that new. They wouldn't let her around their kids back in the day she was bad inflow, that's pretty bad! We your own family, you're, aunts and uncles and people. Like at her saying. You know what you're bad see

I don't even want you hanging out with your cousins. Krista dropped out of high school in the ninth grade, which is barely high school. You just got there yeah, I mean you're just getting warmed up, so she ends up at the job. Core in knoxville have to learn some life skills like we talked about that's where she met darrell, where she got into satanism. We talked about some of the fund eighty between colleen and christa christa thinking that car, we had designed, John taking to daryl away from her crystal with light or make some claims one that she will up one time to colleagues standing over her with a box cut now she's making claims about somebody that can defend themselves, sure because you can say whatever you want air, but now there is nobody to corroborate. There's nobody. There.

gonna come forward and say: oh yeah. I saw that too, but she's like she was standing over me with boxes. I had to do what I had to do: protect myself, but christy said a lot of things. She has said that He killed Colleen because you what she just felt like it that day, she felt me, I think she said she's. Also the exact opposite that when they went out that night there was no plan to kill Colleen slum. There was a plan for the to define right christmas. and she was sick of Colleen. She wanted

or to leave to darryl and herself alone, but he he got out of hand right once it got to a certain point and we talked about it. She felt like she had to kill Colleen, or else she was just going to go back and tell on her right, but she's also not going to come out and said it was premeditated while no, no, that's not good. She is not that dark right, but she did leave with a box cutter. She did leave with a meat cleaver. You know so some pre planning there. You don't need those two things to beat someone. I know where she, when you have to other people on your side, and one of them is a seventeen year old guy here now we keep using the word don. I said it there on purpose, because her defence hetty clinical psychologist evaluate her. This person pegged her. I q it one eleven, not mince a level,

but to me gives that's pretty smart for someone that dropped out of the ninth grade yeah, she will it's by no means dumb there at smart. She did a lot of things that weren't smart. She just didn't think. Then any rules have replied to her. I truly believe that I truly believe, and I think it goes back to you- parts of her childhood now. The other thing that the psychologist said was that crystal suffered from a very severe borderline personality disorder. Obviously the defence wants to make this a big deal right, a trial, their hoping to use this. in her favor. The evidence against her is overwhelming. What they're trying to do is get her out of the death penalty. Oh sure yeah, but it doesn't work. Christopher pike was sentenced to death

on the charges of second degree, murder and conspiracy, to commit first agreement listen. The So I know it's really hard to hear wasn't so much the wording red. Basically the judge says you know your sins to die by electricity sing it the electric chair right it's her crying out that I really wanted everyone to here, because you think back to calmly, and what she went through. You know

If she was crying out. You know she was begging for her life. You don't hear those cries now and you can't nope because she didn't live now, so to hear christa pike cry like that. You think at least I do I don't care. I don't want to hear. No, I and I think you're right, I think, there's some somebody out there. That might listen. Go. Let's really sad, I hate to hear her cry like that. I would just challenge you to think about what you didn't hear: colleen at the park, that night being beaten to death being cut being slash, beam pound it with a piece asphalt essentially by herself yeah she's on her own the other three people are in some form or fashion against her she's she's honorary here. Those cries put those cries in your ear, so you contrast the crying from crime

the with a letter that she later wrote to to darrow in it says see what I get for, trying to be nice to the whoa she's calling Colleen a hoe, while I went ahead and bashed her brains out, so she die quickly instead of letting her bleed to death and suffer more and they eff fry me, ain't that sums It gives this girl in a letter is trying to say that she did the humane thing after I tortured or for thirty minutes. Forty five minutes, I try to put her out a misery fast she is casting her self, in the light, as you would think of like a rancher who comes up on like an animal that is dying and has to put it out of it's misery, yeah she used to do gooder

I put her out of her suffering while at the same time calling her a derogatory name like a ho, oh and by the way, I'm the one that cause suffering yeah. That said, I put her out of so now we have to talk about kristin, prison in two thousand one gibbs she's some letters to a convicted murderer named John Lee Friedman. This guy, I am not familiar with. We need to make sure we have this guy. The list only. He was just down the road from us in worn counting. Little nice or prison out earlier I'm assuming lebanon correctional facility. That would be correct, but these wars disturbing letters. The contents were stir being the words were disturbing, but even We're so was the fact that she said called the latter's with her own blood, no k, we love letter, her style yeah,

her style. It was more like I enjoy this. It was all kind of death than it was. It was disturbing, stops who's trying to connect with somebody that she thought might have been on that same probably was on that same love, yeah, that same year, she tried to choke another prisoner with a shoe looks almost it. This is why you no longer get shoelaces imprison, was convicted of attempted first degree murder, that's how bad it s in print Then she got convicted of attempted first degree. Murder, then, in two thousand twelve christa hatched in escape plan. So I guess over the years is she was riding to multitudes of met anybody that she could find or anybody that road her, but at some point She always turned the letter. Two. I love you Come see me. I can't live without you sure she's mine game

europe relating them to do. Why, were you said she was manipulative? I think she was. I think she was trying get someone to help her with her grand plan and, finally, she but the plan didn't work. She never out the tin, the bureau of investigation they found out about it, but arrests were made yet to individuals, in new jersey officials arrested a thirty four year old, new jersey man. That's the guy that had been writing to for some time They also arrested a twenty two year old prisoner ends is career in the prison. Correctional feel reckon all do it was your, ordered that some money had already changed hands. I thought is: I see all the details, but my thought is: she was able to monopoly

late this man in new jersey who had been to visit her a number of times sure to pay off this prison guard to help her. but luckily they found out about it. They followed the point. I don't get this whole. All falling in love with a murderer. Thank you. They have netflix, has the making a murder right, I'm gonna start my own called falling in love with a murderer and just do the whole thing exploring why these people are so drawn to these murderers in prison, who they know have done such horrific things, but they do. I like it. They wanna hear the story. They want to re, sometimes a thing There's some level of attraction that they have, which is messed up will mean you shouldn't be looking at a map,

If you knew what they did, why even looking at him that way, I know that they will all be part of the documentary you and I will have to fly out and talk to these people, both the prisoners and these people that the cap mr, not ten. If a cat fishing, I think they are who they say they are there just who they are is really bad. People now agree so go and somebody that's not in prison. There's there's plenty of people out there. Don't know. If that's a self esteem issue, I don't know Obviously, it happens more with women falling for guys. prison causes more guys and pressure just naturally happens. I way what we ve heard or what we ve seen in the research. Is that some women like the fact that they know, where their man is he's. can be running out around on them with another woman, that's for sure and he's gonna righteous good letters. Retails could guess what he's got. the time in the world going to do a very attentive

and seen as much research on the guys that farm love with women as it is just doesn't happen as much over the years. Kristen her turn ease, they fought her desk ends. I did try to get it over turned, but they had no law well. It's think about that four minute. How easy is gonna be to get your sentence overturned if you're strangled somebody with a shoestring and you must kill him. That doesn't sound like you are headed in the right direction for hers, rehabilitation You tried to master mine and escape plan exactly so your prison. It is not helping you out in any way. I think what is helping it hasn't held, but what you would think would help is the fact that they just don't execute them, we won a crystal pike is the only woman on death row in tennessee she's. Currently, forty three years old and his house did that

in a sea prison for women in nashville. Now think about this. When you think the last time they executed, somebody in tennessee was in tennessee, I'm assuming it was a long time ago, but you are, We know the answer and you're going to tell him. I am going to tell you eighteen thirty, seven man, you are just a toddler. I was sitting when they exit Last week I was something I will say this in the. Eighteen hundreds, they exclude a lot more women. Then they do. Today we did the the one down in tat. Since I think it was, it was the same way. I don't think a woman had been executed since, like eighteen hundred and sums karla Faye talker, maybe maybe adding the the exit, the last execution of a woman before her was maybe eighteen, hundreds too tennessee doesn't execute that many people anyway,

did you read somewhere since, like seventy six, they only execute like eleven people. I say only a lot of people would say we should next you'd anybody, but you know what I'm saying welcome if compared like texas, they might have executed eleven people yesterday, for all I know, is that I think they might have. I don't know they're not that prolific by taxes also lot bigger than tennessee. Sir Texas, all joking aside, people make jokes about it by hey do execute a lotta people. Laudably, don't get the death sentence in texas any gets carried out. There is, I think, about sixty people on death. well right now in tennessee One of them is a woman named christa pike, but that's it for them. Or of colleen, slimmer, tragic, very tragic- and needed yeah unnecessary for sure. I still feel bad that we

don't know more about calling it keeps going through my head and not that we don't know that the press didn't really report on that. Nobody really outside maybe some authors and if they did, I have read the books, didn't really put out more about the victim cause. There is plenty on christa pike here, it's a fortunate that we don't have a little bit more background, but yeah hated that hated. That per who gets voicemail zoo in check this out, oh of course, pay mike and gave me give me over here- I'm calling from new orleans, I'm calling, because I heard the epithet you guys are virtue. Oh brother, my art thou any talk about the one line, I stand of the walls were, that was actually

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florida! I was real close to home. For me, my daughter is actually dating the son of the only survivor of that tragic attack. I'm also I wanted to give er another case called the xbox murders. You know this day and age and technology and people are going crazy over this stuff, and you know that's a real fascinating case where six people were murdered. So a first time caller just wanted to say I love the podcast. I really appreciate what you guys do. What make the six hour drive every weekend from florida to south carolina and back so uh yeah keep doing what you're doing and keep your own time chicken alright yeah and I dont remember which, when we were talking about, but if it's though I think it is the one in florida, the talk about murder, link so I we're we're gonna do it. We are also going to do the xbox, so both those wrong list for sure maybe Adam for some reason did. I think the xbox I haven't around christmas. I could be wrong about this, for

reason. I thought we were going to include it in one of the christmas episodes. We did try to park it near that timeframe, but I can't remember it's been it's been a while, since I looked into Hey guys, Name is terry harris, I'm living in aura Mcdowell, new, brunswick, canada. I love your show. I love it so much. I can't stall. heard out work? How my way or my drive all they put a stop to suggest. And I'm originally from mere machine. You buy blake and awareness, actually the only thing we are known for the monster murmur she Alan Joseph last year. I he held five people and one of them actually being my grandfather's first cousin a halloween was cancelled that year, all that kind of stuff. Ah, it was kind of cool. If you want to take a look at it anyway be safe and keep it on time. Chicken guys today definitely take look if we have that one on the left, some people too say this. I think you're

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and so he said you. I will send you some of my three d sculptures that he does on his three deeper let each person one he sent a boat load man they're awesome. He gave yet feel good with this plenary. yeah yeah. So we get some really great stuff from Karl I'm gonna pick. One problem it on the desk right, where you usually put your cop so you're going to have to move that cop, but ok, but Carl does have a website. He he wasn't trying to promote it, but it's karl gecker dot com. You should check it out very cool stuff, the kettler, the gecker ari ansbro, apparently has been travelling around the world, sent harley chips literally from all kinds of places. australia hawaii, you name it also sent some exotic jerky really from austria when you say exotic like exotic animals: ok, namely to shirt even sure,

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