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There would be very few little. Girls is famous blonde six year old job in a patricia ramsay.
Was born in atlanta, georgia on August six, nineteen, ninety two parents, John bennett, ramsay, patricia
an ramsay
her name as unique as it was, was a combination of her father's first and middle names, her
Sir John was a wealthy business man and her mother.
Ass. He was a former beauty queen,
John Ramsay was a smart calculated and determine man. He graduated from michigan state university in nineteen sixty six within it
trickle engineering degree
Five years later, a master
business administration from em ass. You.
John was married before he and his first wife.
Had three children Elizabeth Melinda
and John Andrew, but the two
force in nineteen. Seventy eight on november,
Nineteen. Eighty he married
What many considered to be
the woman of his dreams.
three year old, patricia an paw,
better known as patsy path.
Attended, west virginia university and graduated with a ba and journalism.
Teen, seventy eight just a
before she won the miss west virginia beauty. Title
eighteen. Seventy seven on J,
where twenty, seventh nineteen eighty seven patsy gave birth to the couples. First, child burke ramsay.
Then three and a half years later, they welcomed their second child jon benet.
And ninety ninety one, the family, moved to bolder colorado for johns business access, graphics, a little background here,
John, was extremely hard working and driven. He was an entrepreneur. He started.
Computer company in the eighties, eventually
company and to other companies merged in nineteen. Eighty eight, this formed access, graphics,
The company was then soul to lockheed Martin in
t ninety one john became
The chief executive officer and president of access graphics, thus spark.
The family to set up shop and beautiful border colorado. There
Please purchased a seven thousand square foot home. They address seven. Fifty five fifteenth street, bolder colorado, the home
purchase for five hundred thousand dollars. Some reports,
the home is eleven thousand square feet but
I believe that would include may be the basement, balconies and other areas. We all know how the real estate listing game works. They also did a very extensive renovation on the property as well speaking, of which I will do my best impression here. It's a beautiful red, brick, tudor style home built nineteen twenty seven. There are four flow
including the basement, the basement,
made up of a series of small rooms, the home features to staircases.
one traditional and one spiral. There are five bedrooms.
burke and jonbenet rooms are located.
On the second story
Job in a room is complete with its own bathroom and balcony.
ass. Her sweet is above the children's rooms located on the
story, the ramses patsy in particular loved this house.
The ramses were riding pretty high, but
Fortunately, life is often a series of peaks in valleys. Sadly,
On january eighth, ninety ninety two John ramses oldest daughter from his first marriage Elizabeth Ramsay, was killed in an hour.
Mobile accident in chicago illinois shows just twenty
years old on December twenty
third. Ninety ninety two, the ramses, purchased a one thousand. Seven hundred and thirty one square foot vacation home, ensure
avoid michigan for three honey
in thirty six thousand dollars, for though
on familiar. This is an absolutely beautiful area. Northern
again right along lake michigan, absolutely gorgeous enjoy
of ninety three patsy ramsay is diagnosed with breast cancer.
For this she will receive exams at the charlevoix community hospital and treatments in maryland. Now we're going
go through a pretty thorough timeline for the Ramsay family. Some of them
Events may seem trivial, however, give
the crime that we know is going to occur. These items were included in this timeline because of the possibilities, and this is
missions surrounding this case
in nineteen ninety four, seven year old, burke
hits his little sister jonbenet on the cheek with a golf club
Let let's be clear: this is not a essential
asian, where burke decided.
like you and I'm gonna smash in the face with a golf club. This was
purely an accident. This wasn't like the time my brother hit me in the back with a baseball bat, because here
I'm a kill me. I questioned this at first glance because
we do know that children, siblings, will fight with one another.
And they can be quite vicious at times, plus when they're very young, as they would be in this situation. It's an impulse
thing to pick up a club and hit you
MR your brother, with it, because they did something mean to you. First and burke, only being seven years old, you wanna be thinking,
If I hit her in the face with a golf club, I could possibly kill her right
could have a lasting consequences. However, everything
that we could find only
indicates that this was just an accident.
believe it or not. In my own life I have experienced
situation where one of
friends accidentally hit another friend in the face, with
golf club and the vase on the back swing.
because the person was standing to close as the other person was taking a swing. We don't
the details of this specific accident,
However, again everything indicates that it was just that an accident right, but it was pretty vicious because germany
be left with a scar
We're time later, germany underwent plastics
dream, at a surgeon in Denver this to correct that scar on the left. Cheek from the golf clubs,
in december of ninety ninety four, the ring.
these giant beautiful home, is one of just seven homes in the area to be included in the historic homes for the holidays tore. This
important for a few reasons, mainly this me
that approximately fifteen hundred people will participate in a tour of the ramses property and the house in April.
eighteen. Ninety five for you,
a job in a rapidly wins the colorado state all start kids pageant out. She will
dissipate and win several pageants, I'm not going to go through all of them captain. Frankly, when research, well, you
a bunch of different information. So I will just
to the ones that I can confirm, or at least have double checked actor
or of ninety. Ninety five was a happy and exciting month for the Ramsay family. Job Anais was crowned little. Miss colorado son burst
and John Ramsay was the winner of the entrepreneur of distinction award yeah, but to be clear, I dont think like her whole family was
revolved around her winning something I think
nice. When she won.
And they devote a lot of time doing it, but I don't think it made the family here if she
some award regarding John ramses business, keep in mind. Axis graphics is doing very well in the company
Is growing in sales and staff quite rapidly, then it
patsy's turned to receive some recognition. This came when
april. Nineteen. Ninety six issue of women's magazine, profiled, patsy ramsay. This article, of course,
will include a lot of her personal information, but also allow
of personal information about John and the kids, then, in July
of ninety ninety six
John beneath one america's royal tiny, miss the following
She finishes second and the sun burst national pageant. This pageant was held in it
land to georgia.
On Saturday november, thirtieth.
John ramsay host a surprise, fortieth birthday party for his wife of sixteen years and,
it is truly a surprise.
as her actual birthday is not until december. Twenty ninth- this was a big fortieth.
They celebration for patsy held
the palace hotel in denver those laws
regulation, though, that she was not looking forward to this time and was actually very upset about turning forty, then on december. Six during the
lights of december parade John, been able
here on her own little. Miss colorado float this
an annual parade where spectators enjoy floats, created and decorated by local businesses, churches and civic groups. The prey
often includes marching bans, fire engines hollow
carers and an appeal,
by santa claus. This takes place
downtown border in ninety,
Ninety six burke was in this parade as well on friday december thirteenth,
There is a big holiday party at the ramses home. This is
ended by more than one hundred and fifty of their friends from church. So again, just pointing
another event at their house with a lot of guest, so
we are quickly learning is this is a house that has many people who have been in an
is often open up too many guest over just the few years that they have only home right,
four days later on the seventeenth, the sick
Your old was crowned colorado's little miss christmas.
this is one of the larger pageants than she is per
supported in and certainly
and achieving moment
in hindsight really cool
I've, just an eerie weird thing:
Job would be named the ninety ninety six little miss christmas. Now we
I have a date, but I will
to make sure that we include this here. There is a report that
took place some time in december of ninety six.
Comes from a statement to law enforcement at some
I'm in december job
tells a gardener. This is bright.
Scott about her father, John Ramsay. She says:
I really miss him.
He was around more yeas workin, pretty hard, probably travelling a lot and later reported that his net worth at this time would be roughly sixty
four million dollars december to
It was a busy day for the ramses on two fronts: one
this graphics had a luncheon party and I said
liberation for more than three hundred employees at the home.
a bolder rado and to job in April
supports in a school performance at high peaks elementary school patsy attends the performance, the
excess, graphics, luncheon and the performance
the school are going on at the same time, so patsy is not present
the business celebration, because she is
school. Now,
It's important to keep in mind that one of these events could be tied to job in asia. Death, for any number of reasons, truth be told,
of us really know for sure here is an excerpt from the book death of innocence
third by John and patsy ramsay in the book Johnson,
early december, ninety, ninety six tom car,
and came to my office. John.
Want you to look at these figures. I looked up at him, standing
the door with a handful of papers as best
I can tell we're going to hit
the billion dollar sales mark and a couple of days it's a big milestone, a billion dollars, my mouth dropped,
I know we were close, but I did
think we were there yet it's on time,
of us. He smiled, probably
a couple of days. I think we should
something to celebrate? I agreed
if for no other reason than to congratulate our employees,
A billion dollars and sales, and six hundred employees worldwide was
big milestone for access graphics. Why
of our public relations. People thought we
it also contact the newspaper to announce our success. I had a guy
reaction that the press
It wasn't a good idea. I didn't want that kind of
visibility outside of the business. Still I agreed.
Since our employs deserved the recognition.
now. I wonder if this
Publicity, my
attracted the attention of the killer or further ear
did the person if he or she
had a grudge against big business access, graphics or me,
no johns memory of this party in the book states that the luncheon was held on December sixteenth, according
the daily camera business magazine this celebration was held on December twentieth John, did a
in our view, regarding the company success and on to some
twenty first, the daily camera business magazine publishes the article on access graphic
reaching one billion dollars in sales.
It's a why we go on with the summer twentieth, not december. Sixteen
That's a good question. We have
Couple of reasons. For that one. We know that the luncheon and the school performance occurred on the same day. We have
statement saying that the performance the school performance was on the twentieth.
and we also have the fact that the daily camera business magazine article comes out that same year mean just the day.
Through the party johns book
does not come out until years later and he's going off of memory on this.
Where twenty second germany ramsay is gonna, be in a beauty, pageant
wes plaza mall. This.
The one that she sings rockin around the christmas tree and she has a toy sacks of
sometime. In late december, the Ramsay family sent out their annual christmas card with the rain.
The family updates for their loved ones.
The ninety ninety six christmas newsletter reads as follows:
dear friends and family
It's been another visit year at the ramsay housel campbell
it's almost over and time to start again, Melinda. Twenty four
graduated from medic
college of georgia and is working
and pediatric I see you a kenny stone hospital in atlanta, lantern, johnny
Twenty is a sophomore at the university of colorado. Burke is
busy, fourth greater
where he really shines in math and spelling. He played flag football. This fall
and is currently on a basketball bench
if his little league team was number one he's.
just about all of his baby tee
so I'm sure we'll be seeing the orthodontist in nineteen ninety seven
Jon Benet is enjoying her first year in real school kindergarten.
In the core knowledge programme is fast paste and five full days a week
She has already been moved ahead to first grade man. She can t
used to enjoy participating and talent and modeling pageants. She was now
america's royal tiny miss last summer and
colorado's little miss christmas
her teacher says she is so outgoing that she will never have troubled delivering an oral book report, job
is always on the girl travelling hither and yawned
es recently celebrated its one billion dollar mark and sales. So he's pretty happy here
His crew were under way in the port you're onto makin act, island yacht race. In July I had a poem,
our mid way due to lack of wind
believe that
but his real love is the new old. Looking both grand season, which here
months, design ice
most of my free time working in the school and doing volunteer work
the charlevoix house was on the home tour in July and will likely appear in one of the better homes and gardens publications in nineteen. Ninety seven,
on a recent trip to n Y see
friend, and I appeared among the throng of fans on the today- show our role
and Brian actually
to us. We were our cameras or a few fleeting moments
you're all enjoying continued good health and look
were to seeing you in ninety ninety seven,
final note,
you to all of my friends in my dear husband for surprising me, with the biggest most outrageous fortieth further bash? I have ever had
Be spending my actual birthday on the disney big red both over the new year. Merry christmas, much love the rams
I I can't find this whole
ritual that people do with the update.
Of the families it's gonna do she would.
I feel, like this is a very upper class
typical holiday thing, update everybody with the newsletter. I've never and probably will never. Experience have
put one of these letters together being just of a regular blue collar guy myself, what it jack
sal to me. Is there
Episode of everybody loves raymond, where they write a bunch of really nice stuff about themselves. That's not true, but here every
the patsy and I'm assuming patsy puts us together as it sounds. You know she says I spend most of my free time it it really.
Points to her upbringing and how polished in posh. She really is, and I
everything that she has put here is true, and it's just it's just interesting to see how the other half lives, while that seems like they should get into their douche canoe and paddled down vanity river. I've never lived far from fame.
in france, so maybe this is more common than what I am aware of anderson
twenty third- this is just two days before christmas. The ramses hosted a christmas party with approximately thirty guest attending and with full
our journalism, professor bill, MC reynolds playing santa claus, MC reynolds,
was a Ramsay family friend,
probably one of the more alarming details in this time line during the ramses ca,
miss party at six four
seven p m someone attending the party placed a nine one, one call which was
good by police, dispatcher teresa Hilary,
the collar, hung up without saying anything police called.
Back, but when they did no one answered, and the call
picked up by the ramses answering machine because
this an officer goes to the home as six. Fifty four p m the office,
knock on the door and his invited in and then leaves at seven o nine p m this
you're being assured that there was no emergency. This has made. People
population, was
perpetrator of this crime at this party,
call nine one one to see how fast some
would respond to nine one. One call
This is one of those items that you you look at it. You just go well
is going on here, because
you just pointed out, it could mean something very big
to this case and to the investigation if in fact
what you said and what people have speculated toward it.
True, that means the killer is at this party,
but were somebody that worked with the killer, is at this party right.
But you also have a lot of kids running around. Is it possible that one of them just picked up the phone and dialed nine one one and then never confess to it because they didn't want to get in trouble? There is
guess list that you can find online. I have
viewed it myself dont care to go into it here, as it sounds quite boring to just read off a list of names the other,
I question, though, to captain is what kind
Staff was working this party
what we have had people helping
whether be caterers or somebody
answering the door valley in cars. You know so
extend b on the guest list for whoever called nine one. What I'm with you, I think it
there's a very likely possibility that, with all these kids runnin around one
the older kids wants to do
thing funny in front of the younger kids and
all nine, when one you know in
scared and hangs up bond
two other things. Some people have nine one one on speed dial, so you have people.
work in a party. Did some aid pick up the phone to call? This is
tonight, six, they don't have.
phones, most people don't have cell. So did somebody working party go to make a call
the wrong button and at speed dial, nine one, one that someday
fine information from on the internet, the other
to one of my speech
latent and we'll have to get into this later
Is it possible
little john Benet, ramsay herself called nine one one, because
something happened at that part
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we're not for sure. It's been reported, multiple ways that the poorest
Santa Claus
a tour of the house from John beneath Ramsay. Some people speculate that happen and ninety. Ninety six, some
people say that happened and ninety ninety five, so
Mc Reynolds was considered a family friend of the ramses and someone that,
He wasn't just somebody that was hired to play santa claus. Then they knew this man on some level rain. He had
Santa claus at
their holiday party before
and, as you said, it's a bit confusing on these stories that you hear even
Over twenty years later, where's
people will say: job
gave bill MC reynolds, a tour of the home at some,
point during the party on in ninety ninety six.
some people say that it may have happened in ninety. Ninety five
we also have a situation where it is said that joy,
been a gave bill. Mc Reynolds, a gift
and he would say years later that out of it
all the times that he played santa claus and of all the parties that he attended as santa claus.
the job- and I was the only child to give him a gift again. His receiving this gift a couple days before her death
so that something that obviously would stick out to you other and now only other gift that he rarely ever got was like, maybe a stinky lap from some dirty kid on
christmas eve december, twenty fourth, an article appeared in the daily camera regarding the ramses christmas party. Apparently
this daily camera is just watching and reporting everything going on in the ram
world during
the day
December twenty fourth job in
played at a friend's home. This is
megan castanets house.
And told maidens mother, Barbara about a secret visit from santa others
and just her running up and saying, hey Santa's, going to visit me, there was a discussion had between maidens mother, barbara and blood
John banana re barbara.
Question job in a
as to win sand
was going to pay her this secret visit, because we
are on christmas eve.
You can imagine the natural conversation they would
had won a doll
while child the adult was going to say something to the effect of yes,
you ve been good all year and when you go to bed tonight, Santa's going to visit you and when you wake up you're going to find all your presence under the tree.
through this conversation. What barbara would learn is that job in a explains to her. No,
I'm not talking about. You know she was
talking about the traditional visit from santa claus? As we all know it right does. That's all gonna happen. She says no. This is going to be a secret visit after christmas and of
worse at the time. This doesn't seem to be anything
out of the ordinary for barbara or strain right
It would only be until a few days later that this is really going to set off some alarm bells, one
that's. What's so difficult about this case? Is there so many little points of
He came in calm evidence just points of
speculation that could mean
everything or could mean
I think that all the other
thing to here captain, as I'm sure, there's a lot of people out there right now that if they did not know of this detail already their mind is immediately jumping to santa claus bill mc reynolds and we just discussed
playing santa claus at the ramses home on the twenty third
I think that's a natural fit. We should
keep in mind here, though, how many
christmas events. Has this
a girl attended Joe
in the recent weeks right
how many santa claus, as did she, come into interaction with? We talked about the?
aid that she attended, that she sat on the flow, the main
fraction was santa claus. She could have
Oh to santa claus, their oars, just some,
I dressed as santa claus right or a santa claus at the mall or the mall pageant that she attended. There was this school event. This is the second of the ramsey's christmas parties and
who knows how many parties
he attended as a family,
but let us say that she's back a little more time than so.
the kids with the family
in plain sanna, and he does
carefully says she
she might have said something to mike
Well yeah. I know you're gonna visit me on christmas. What? But, what about after that leaves like all while asp I'll pay you a spy?
A visit after christmas
I didn't mean anything but would mean the world to a six year old, just
the nine one one called it came from the ramses home on the twenty third there
mention of a secret visit from santa claus after christmas could mean a lot. It could mean nothing at all.
In regard to the investigation.
on December twenty. Fourth later there
day, the ramses attended. The twilight service at saint
a pistol church in boulder colorado around
nine pm? John Ramsay retrieves, a brand new silver girls, bicycle store,
at a neighbours home this is Joe barn.
Those garage and
places it under the christmas tree for John Benet and then both job
patsy ramsay get stashed christmas gift,
from their basement. Its listed
here as the basement area and place these,
under the tree as well,
This is interesting for a few reasons why
It shows that at nine p m on the twenty fourth, both rant, both ramsay adults, but
parents went down into the basement to retrieve these hidden christmas
as for the kids brain, thereby,
spain, as we mentioned earlier, is made up of a series of rooms there, several small rooms in this base,
It's my understanding that the large room,
was more of a play area now
Given the size of this home. I
I know that a designated play area means that it was frequented by.
the children, often or
if it was just a once in a while type thing.
while their houses very and arrests in to me, because it so large
it's so blocked off and little sections is almost like a maze and
also when you see pictures or video footage when they.
the little towards for the houses that christmas towards their house looks immaculate
It looks amazing, but
But when you see crime scene, photos of the house, it looks every
looks like it's in disarray: lives,
To me I would
Every room needs to be cleaned every
we need to be organised base off. Those pictures so
it's a very interesting house couple, quick thoughts here before
move on captain often you know this was a home built in nineteen twenty seven and often when homes are added to over the years they end up
talking like that, where it up
it's a lot of smaller rooms rather than a few giant rooms
I also wondered- and I couldn't find- I know that there's blueprints of this house online and I found like the top floors-
I couldn't tell the basement and, like you said, this house has been added onto to belarus.
the basements are added.
Two souls less data.
seven thousand square for home, while that basement
only might be fifteen hundred square feet. The reason why I pointed out that the base
and was a series of rooms as well as question. How often the basement was an act?
use by either the parents and or the kids.
is it. My assumption here is that the parents are hiding the gifts from their kids. They,
we possibly hiding gifts from one another as well right, but just one
point out that, on christmas eve, both parents state that they went into the basement of that home. Now I question
How often the children would be in the basement, because.
we're. Gonna, have a lot of questions going forward about a very small room. That's well tucked away in this basement, if the kids,
I'll go down there. Very often, there's known need to hide these gifts
to that extent they could have just hid them in the car.
Quote playroom neighbours
It is common knowledge that this room, that they call unquote call the wine cellar.
is a room that was unfinished. It was to be
Come wine cellar, never
happen, and that's all
often where they would hide gifts, because that alleys that part of the basement. We know that the kids didn't go to. So we we have
Do we have something stating that they, the gifts were hit?
this wine cellar now, but
what we have from John ramsay is when he was x.
into the police officers. This
This is what we call
the wine cellar, but it's not finished yet
going to be the wine cellar right now,
This use for storage and some
and we put presence there for the kids on December twenty fifth, ninety ninety six, this is around six a m, the ramses wake up,
later, in an interview, pansy will say it was six is probably
The ramses John patsy burke and germany will partake in the normal christmas morning activities
exchanging and open and gifts breakfast in you know. Captain
feel like the christmas morning. Cup of coffee is the best one of the year.
I love when the parents stop everything and say, look we're not opening up anything until I get my first cup of coffee right right make them wait,
at noon john, is going to leave the house. This is to go in check on the airplane, keep in mind. They have a planned flight.
Or early the next morning
some time between two and three p m John Ramsay returns to the home from checking the plane, so the fat
only with the exception of john leaving for a bit this is pretty
just day really great christmas day at home,
You have touched upon something just a few minutes ago, where you said when you see the crime scene photos
the houses in disarray that it's just a mess well, first off
my standards with two young children in the home and having a big christmas, I would say a big lavish christmas, because the pair,
have all kinds of money. In the
by these children all kinds of stuff, one way
anticipate to see a mess, especially when they're not hosting anything. You know they ve already hosted their christmas get together. One would
back to see a mess. However, I do
a point out that there were several people. Close
relatives of the ramses. This stated that the house was kind
always in a mass, even though that the house had a housekeeper
and that they had some help there would
in and take care of something
for them. The house.
Always in a mess this
in part, two young children will do that to a home run
but messy house messy mine,
I also want to point out that in years,
pass. We have video footage of the ramses
christmas on, I believe us
eighteen, ninety four
maybe some footage on ninety five. I don't know if that was released to the public, but
ninety ninety six. What they claim is, I think, they're woke
and the battery was dead of the camp quarter. So that's why they did it. Take a video that between five and six p m, the ramses left their house. This is all four of them, John patsy burke and job in a and they
en route for the home of their dear friends flee impressed
a white this.
is for a christmas party,
I've seen this reported to be as early as four p m, but most often it said to be in the five o clock our
Since your typical christmas party,
an unknown time.
The ramses leave this party right
on the drive home from the party job in a and her brother burke fell asleep.
the car,
and the ramses made some stops along the way to drop off gifts, this
two stewart
actually walkers home and then to Glenn and susan stein house.
because we don't know exactly what time they left the party and what time these stops took place.
So dont know exactly what time
the ramses arrived back at their house.
They claim is between nine and nine thirty
He would have several stories about what would take place
since the ramses arrive at their whole. One
These stories says that John put
job in a ramsay to bed, and then he went and played a game with burke afterward.
and eventually burke goes to bed.
The ramses later reported to the border police department officers that job in a ramsay was last seen by patsy ramsay,
in the residence at approximately ten p m,
Turning to border police department. Detective, Linda, aren't John Ramsay said
Jonbenet was last seen by him.
Approximately twenty two hundred hours, ten p m
either way both of you.
Statements put job in a as being last seen in her bed at ten o clock ryan
People think how it went down. Was they get home she's
to sleep. They don't want to.
her up and
carries her to her bed. That's what
He would say good night and then supposedly
This is where patsy
she comes in to check on, earn and says good night tourists well, John,
would tell to border police officers separately that he read too,
both children before they went to bed later.
would deny both of those statements deck as ever.
We heard him say several times he carried her to bed and she was asleep when he carried her to bed
I just don't know here. Captain I could see
either of these situations being very likely. Kids fall asleep in the car. You dont want to wake him up. You put him straight. The bed rights also chris
miss night, you not think
Back to my childhood, you remember when you get like something super cool like
a super nintendo, a really big gift right and then your parents.
Like here's, your super nintendo with a couple of games
we gotta leave and go to somebody's christmas party in your life
nobody asked thing I want to do. Is leave so
There is virtually no visible yeah, they could have still been excited and when
home, either situation makes it makes sense to me what does.
makes sense- is that the stories
the same or similar enough yeah and I would say, look at your burke. I look at the story. They both
fell asleep on the way home nine year old, burke, wakes up
and guess what he wants to do. He wants to play with one of his cool toys that guy just
he just said.
Jon ramses she's
she years old and think about the amount of stuff she's done she's been,
in competitions, she's been proof and performance. Is she
had to be run all over. This
emma gathering this friends and family gathering
I am assuming that the six year old is wiped out- and there is a picture that was just recent last
a couple years released to the public, which is
supposedly the last picture
of john bernay that was ever taken.
He looks tired in the picture and that
taken at the party before they left to go home. So
and also, like, I said,
claims from John Ramsay. This is what happened later. Com
from John Ramsay. This is what happened,
I'm gonna go with that story around.
ten to ten thirty p m patsy goes to bed. Now
Turning to patsy's statement john goes to bed at ten oath
three to ten thirty
ppm, what
Basing this off of is that patsy says quote John
to bed shortly. Thereafter then asked do you work.
all if it was fifteen minutes or a half an hour right.
patsy he Ramsay says it was probably just a few minutes. So weird
acting on three minutes. Either way to that statement,
ten o three to ten thirty, three,
john patsy, both claim that they were not awake.
During the night there, both in bed,
yeah, but I heard it reported somewhere out. I want to say, may was John douglas, that John
He claims that he took some kind of sleeping aid. That night, I bet
that to be correct as well as I think that was a
a regular thing for John Ramsay,
either way by both accounts. We have
both of them in bed between ten
ten thirty is. Ten thirty three at the latest
yeah. I not seen any reports like grown up. When I was a kid my father would go
ruin check the windows and check the doors now
we didn't live in a seven thousands
for house, but I wonder,
of. John Ramsay had some kind
routine, that he but check the parameter of the house
it has been said that he did that night and it
has been said by people that were close to the family and their housekeeper.
the ramses, were quote good,
believe. The quotas actually really good about locking
their doors, but
and because of their not using their alarm system, they have alarm system but see
like that was not a common practice for the ramses. It would
been at one time. The problem was, or it's been reported as such. There
we too little kids in the home. The childer
were constantly setting off the secure
system which created all these false alarms and anybody that
A security system knows that those four
so arms. They start to come with fine
they can get fairly fairly steep fairly
quickly from law enforcement
how we move on two december, twenty sixth captain
sometime around midnight neighbours,
Gibbons says he.
looked out his kitchen window toward the ramsay residents and observe that the
kitchen lights were on in dimmed love again, another
one those things. It could mean something
can mean nothing at all now the way
about of John Andrew Ramsay. This is
Johns son from his first marriage. His way,
else will come into question. So it is important for us to note here that between midnight and one, a m, at least three people put him at the home of lucinda Johnson in marietta georgia later
at another home again in georgia, just to be per
the clear here, captain thee
he's sightings these alibis for John Andrew ramsay, are one hundred percent confirmed right.
There were actually cleared by the police, which there
when cleared a lot of people in this case, so for them to clear him that that's important
have confirmation of people being with John andrew ramsay, up until eight thirty six
a m
at one I am neighbours andrew vermeer and look for mare, they went to bed there
after watching movies,
they say that before
went to bed all the way up to one a m. They did not hear anything unusual. They didn't see anything unusual. Everything was
The call for that time of night
according to bolder detective Steve thomas,
neighbor melody. Stanton said
she heard a scream between.
at night in two, a m.
This seems quite in
sing to me, but I do
want to take this step further and point out that this same woman did say at the very early stages of the investigation that she,
nothing to offer. She did not want to get involved
Then later she claims that she
a scream between the midnight hour in a proxy?
I too am
Yeah I heard.
When I heard about these dreams is that they heard some screams, multiple screams, anxious one, but they heard more,
We'll screams and thought: okay: well, surely
the the parents of this girl, our home. They
she thought the screen for from a little girl that the parents,
her home and I'll, take care of this.
That's why they stopped hearing the screen.
Also around two. Am I want to point out that the whites regarding the activity at their friends, fleet and priscilla white,
Everyone, including their guests, are reported to have gone to bed by two, a m f.
Five. Thirty am John ramsay wakes up the family
plan to get up early that morning because they were to fly to sharll, avoid michigan for a family vacation.
Patsy ramsey, got up quote a few minutes later.
Mr Ramsay took a shower mrs ramsay put back on the same outfit. She had on the night before she put on some make up.
And she went down to the second floor and then
down these spiral. Stairs to the kitchen.
now there's two different versions of this story.
There is one that states that she went to check on John beneath on her way downstairs
and John Bernay was not there by the
story says that she went. She had
Did you go straight down to the ground level? Floor now
Either way there
the spiral stairs
She found on a step near the bottom of the stairs.
Discovered a hand written note on three sheets of paper:
outside by sigh. The index.
That job and I had been kidnapped.
patsy ramsay told detective art. This
found a no at the bottom of the staircase at approximately five forty five, a m
she says she read only a few lines stating
Jon Benet was kidnapped but safe and unharmed, and demanding one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars for her return
mrs Ramsay immediately screamed and then ran to check job in
Room which
found to be empty after
ring mrs ramsay scream
John Ramsay ran, downstairs and met
see ramsay in the stairwell together
They checked on burke, who appear
to be asleep in his room.
John Ramsay then went downstairs to read the ransom. No, he told path
to call the police
knowing when one law the cool, it's by fifty two to kidnap me, what's goin out of nowhere and not one that I dont know if the rapporteur now, ok, what's your name? Are you ok? You know how long do I am honey and take the people
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