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the captain. They had just found missing, ray rivera's body inside the belvedere hotel, which is now primary. Really being used for condominiums and he has crashed through the roof. We do not know for what reason and his lifeless body is found inside the building. I'll ray had multiple injuries, including lacerations, fractured ribs, punctured lungs, of course, suggesting that he had fallen from a height into through some of raise injuries are stated to be consistent with a fall while others are stated not to be, and in particular they sight his tiberias fractured. The medical examiner will go on record, saying that this does not seem to be consistent with a fall. That would be your shins correct, also found. We have raised flip flop,

that were found on the roof near the hole that he crashed through one broke, in in one with fresh, drag marks, raise glasses are found and they appear to be in good shape. His cell phone is found, the phone has scratches on it, but it is not broken its in working order, raise money, clip which was and engraved wedding gift from Alison that she and his brother say he always carried with him. They do not find this on raised person or on the rooftop other than that. It seems pretty consistent that what alice and others believe he would have left with him that day taken with him when he left the house that day, everything was found on him with him or on the rooftop, I'm assuming they never found the money clip back at his house or anything right. This was

found on him. It's never been located at all. I think it'd be something that would be completely washed away from the story. Had it been recovered okay. So the problem with a lot of this is the hole itself and we air ray is found according to unsolved mysteries, there were three possible places from which re could have jumped or maybe been pushed from too.

I end up going creating that hole and then crashing down into the unoccupied room and for people who haven't seen the episode I am going to post all these pictures. There's a bunch of pictures of the actual hotel or condo complex whatever you want to call it n bunch of different angles and a rooftop view, and even some measurements that people have taken our post. All of those to our instagram. That's at true crime garage follow was on instragram. This is where it gets difficult that we are simply audio and there is no video to go along with it, because I think you know we're going to do our best to tell the story and paint the picture for you, while people keep requesting audio because you're so handsome, but I keep breaking the cam video down so as police began to analyze this case. Numerous aspects seem odd about re review

jumping off of the main roof of the belvedere hotel. This is we do to wear the location of the whole, is in the lower roof. There was considerable, horizontal distance between the hotel tower and the location of the hole in the lower roof. So I think the way to go about this here captain, because we have these three different spots, the unsolved mysteries says he could have come from to end up going through that hole in the roof, and that's a weird way of saying it to go through that hole in the if it makes a sound like the whole was already there rang his. Unfortunately, his body created that whole, but I think you have to say it that way, because it's really the placement of the whole as far as it did since goes from the surrounding above areas to get to that spot. That makes it seem mathematically difficult, and that again

a big part of the mystery of. Why did he end up there and how did he end up where we found him so the first one that I think we should discuss would be the parking garage, because this one seems to be the most easily explained away as no. It seems like this is the least likely of these three spots that he could have come from the upper right so the way that this works is it the parking garage? The top of it is the measure after about twenty feet higher than the lower roof that he crashed through and the spot The hole in the roof is about twenty feet out the, detective that initially looked at this case, he's on record saying, I don't think that that is a high enough distance to create an impact that one would even kill a man or two. Who would cause him to crash through the ceiling. So When I go with that detectives assessment of of that

angle there from the top of the parking garage swung. Let's go at the suicide angle as well. It be a pretty far distance for somebody to run and tried to jump. Yes, it would be, but I think that there would be ok, so I think that there is a problem with the distance of the upper rooftop of the belvidera, more so than the distance travelled to make it to that spot on the lower route from the parking garage. It's only twenty feet out. what he saying is that if, if ray would have jumped from the parking garage, he likely would have survived the jump bright and, and let's say The other problem is, he did create a hole in the ceiling and go through the detective saying he would have survived it and all. not have had a great enough impact to crashed through the ceiling, what I've heard and since we started with a parking grudge o one.

the other either fine, very interesting, our theory that I find very interesting as war. Could you get there and could you create in pack if the young, the velocity, was stronger than some a throwing you or jumping, as maybe he was hit by a vehicle or thrown from a vehicle? That's an interesting question, because what you have tat want to. If you go while he jumped ok well, do you know how hard it is to jump when you're, both of your shins are broken off? In fact, the fall didn't create the break, while the doctors are saying that they did it, they say inconsistent right. Such is not the same as impossible right, but again nothing's impossible. He could have you know aliens could have thrown him from the sky.

for all. We know, but I'm gonna go with the doctors and say this injury happen beforehand. Ok, what would hit you around the sins while certain cars bumpers possibly could hit you So as a situation where he's gonna meet somebody up and when he met them up to they have baseball bat or do they hit him with a car and then was he on top the car in them. They drove him really fast to the edge and hit the brakes that possibility it I mean you just said aliens could have put em they're, so I'd I'd, I don't know how to go about this. There wall. I mean it's not like a straight ledge that you would go off of or that if a vehicle hit you

just be essentially shot out of a cannon and fired too that spot on the roof. So I think it's. I think it gets a little difficult of ok. You just said that have be very difficult for him to get their jumping wise twenty feet out. It also seems possibly even more difficult to get the throw em out that far Yeah was two two people thrown a six foot five, two hundred and sixty lb man. That does not want to go over a ledge yeah. You managed to catapult him out twenty feet. Now I get what you're saying about the distance traveled seems to be difficult and everybody agrees with that the reason why I m kind of glossing over that moving to the next part is because the if he were to go from the roof top the distance

I wholeheartedly would be even more now granted. He would have a a further distance of falling to to get out that far. They do say that it's scientifically possible. it's not impossible that he couldn't have got himself all the way out there. So the way that that works is we just talk twenty feet out if he were to jump or get shot of. However, for the top of the parking garage over to the rooftop, where he crashed the horizontal distance from the roof top all the way, one of the other options is estimated at forty to forty three feet. So almost double the dust correct, so they brought in some engineers to see if this is even possible and they estimate that somebody travelling at a speed of

and or eleven miles per hour? Could in fact make it all the way out that, for now you have to factory in a few different things right, one could even get up to speed on foot of ten to eleven miles per hour. Most people put that as a fast jog or sprint for the average fit male. This would be here were again wearing sports shoes. This guy's wearing flip flops, one of them ends up broken but yeah. It's it's estimated that somebody could get up to that speed raw. They could have been in his hand, yes, and so he could have just ran barefoot, but again, then any time you factor in that this is suicide. I guess you have to then again assume that the

all shattered his sins. I don't know- and I I think they were talking a lot about that- there's not a lot laana access to that roof, so I'd be hard firmly even get acts. So what we have here is, with the other two locations again the parking garage aside, because it doesn't seem that that would have killed ray right, but the other location, would be from the left from the eleventh floor, ledge of the belvidera hotel. Now this spy seems to make a little more sense, because it puts a much closer to the hole in the roof top below, and it's enough distance that he could ran so whatever speed he would have to get up to to make that distance, could have done yet again I'd he wouldn't have had to make it out that far of a distance. That's why this spot? to make a little more sense. As far as the math goes

problem with the eleventh for ledge and we say ledge, but I mean you see this on unsolved mysteries and yeah they're, they're kind of quick to say, it'd be difficult to to to walk along that ledge. It actually look like a pretty pretty decent size. Ledge to me, as you pointed out the problem with the eleven floor ledge and getting to the top of the belvedere itself. Is it don't have anybody who has ever report. To have seen ray rivera. The building that night, yeah and where's the cameras you'd think you know this is a hotel that turns into condos. They would have some security. You know a lot about this. How many worked in a high rise condo city for awhile yeah. I worked in a building. That would be the general description would be the same as what we're talking about here.

Belvedere hotel, high rise, condominiums downtown. And he had a lot of cameras. We had I guess the major difference here would be that the building, worked and was built in the late nineties and as we discuss this building was bill in the early nineties. Hundreds burn Of course you come in and you put in those cameras much later, they didn't have security cameras when the building was bill. Obviously we, don't have anybody that says that they saw re rivera in the building prior to finding him dead in the pool the building below one, What's your problem with that captain is the eleventh floor. Ledge that he would have had to get to this is privately owned condos. This is not just like some some space inside the building where people can get to buy like to know if any of em are connected to the his old work there.

Is the major question. I think that is the big question that is missing from the unsolved mysteries. presentation, as well as anything else that I could find because the times that I worked in these types of of living situations. It was very common, for individuals to live in the residential tower and work at buildings within walking distance of the residential tower. These are typically early well to do people that are working downtown and there living in paying that higher cost of living to lie they are so that they don't have to come you in and out of the city that taken you know what else a nice day. I think I'll just cross the street and go up to the tenth floor to my office the eleventh floor has condos that are owned by individuals he would have had. I've had access by one of those individuals somehow to get out to the ledge and then the weird

heart is nobody's coming forward, saying yeah, he he committed suicide outside my window. Nobody could have been like a force jump situation.

or they're attacking him within a room, and he went to escape, and this is what happened or it was luck, buddy you're going to go off that ledge and jump for it, and if you don't we're going to kill your wife, you know it could have been that kind of situation. Doesn't he could have jumped in it still could have been murder. I mean I think he could have made that distance. I still question injuries to his shin, but then also question is where they was he being beat up by any bay. Was he possibly hit with something was er pr possible fractures and not not breaks until the actual jump? If that makes any sense right, if he's trying to escape or there's injuries that they can account for

So the because of the fall are going through the roof or those because he was being attacked by somebody to you brought up these security cameras and one thing that really upset me when I first started looking into this cases is just what upset me when we talked about jennifer Cassius case or you know, be it a hotel in downtown chicago. We ve cover cases. Did then how? going on and any time that we have. One son right, Brandon, swanson now he was out in the middle of the sea. Ross can encourage ankles, and I mean that there is a there's, a good long list of cases that we discuss. It have security cameras involved and one thing than upset me. and some of those cases as if they have no camera footage. Yet they have the cameras as fixtures on an inside the buildings

This is a situation where we don't have any camera footage, as well. Now, on the surface, most of the reports out their state the same thing that they were, the the camera was disconnected or there was a glitch in the system. That sounds very suspect, almost like. Oh, we knew we were going to kill him. We knew we were going to throw him off the side of this building. Let's make it so the cameras are not working, for some more digging. What I found was that it was a simple case of remember. He wasn't found very quickly. He was missing for a week the way this was all digitized. So the program was set up to record over it's old footage at some point: and because they had, they found him within a day twenty four hours, forty eight hours whenever

likely would have had some kind of footage of what was going on he would have a whole very likely a whole different story to tell here in the garage today but The way that I understand this captain is that it was because he wasn't found for a certain amount of time that be a week or a little over a week that the the footage was set up. It was pre determined to record over itself and therefore, whatever it captured is just completely lost So that's just it's it's unfortunate and I will say this. You know, because I saw the question- come up this as well, just a shame. You know I could under and it had been missing for two weeks, three weeks or four weeks or months that they would recorded over top of it it's very common and in most of the situations, I've worked in that the footage.

recorded over within a week of itself. There is normally, if there's a crime, pleased her pretty quick to go around and collect any footage. Now, at the place I've worked captain where there is an abundance of security and security officers, what we would do it actually have someone view the footage before we would before we would record over it now mind you, the person is viewing it at four times eight times, Sixteen times the speed, you're really just looking for anything blade the obvious of something wrong going on yeah bigfoot. Exactly I mean you can't it'd be difficult to pay somebody to sit there and watch days and days and days of footage every time you record over so I went from being pretty upset because the thing that I pointed out and jennifer Cassius case along with a lot of these other cases, if you're paying too

there. That's one of the things it's bill into your homeowners fees to your condo fees is it they are selling peace of mind. They are selling you that you live in a secure building. Okay, so just to go over this real quick, so the parking garage like I said, I heard the theory about him getting hit by a car, and maybe the car launched him. But, like you said, there's a wall. There's all these factors. Is it possible? I don't know if he tried it. One hundred times

maybe one out of a hundred it, could happen but doesn't seem likely, and would that be enough forced to send him through this rough. The problem also with the roof, is we just don't know for certain, because he's also it, like you, said, he's a tall guy he's a heavier guy at what height is that possible? So even though I like that theory, I don't think it's likely so the parking rod. For me, this doesn't seem like the most plausible right, but then even less likely to get to the top of this facility and to jump off or to be pushed off. It doesn't seem like it's that probable seems like you would have to be doing a lot of travelling through the air and because it so much higher up, it seems like. Maybe there would be more damage

to the body, and then it doesn't make a lot of sense with the cell phone and the flip flops been found right, the top of the roof at that height. Now, if you go down lower like you're saying this, other ledge but he'd have to have access through one of the private rooms or private condos, but it does seem possible that that that's more likely to me that that ledge would be where he came from and now with the flip flops in the phone, Now hear me out, that could be wrong. I've always thought, while that seems like, maybe that afterwards made did somebody go to the garage, get onto the roof of the building walker crossed and looked down to see to make sure he's dead,

right and then did they leave those items behind or is it possible? Those items were in his hands. and once he hit the roof, he then loses control of them. And now they're only falling. You know a couple feet that makes sense as he's going through the roof yeah so the way that I've always kind of thought about this- and I thought, looked at the foot flops the eye glasses than this, I'll phone to me is not such a big mystery because, as our so have gotten smarter and more sophisticated. They seem to have got more fragile over the years. His cell phone is kind of a plastic e cell phone that I think could take, but they say take licking and keep on taking does, which is. I could see the cellphone surviving that fall the eye.

Ass is seem a bit strange to me, but they cause there's a thy. Glasses are also on the roof as well, so the people, the discredit, anybody saying that he can come off of the parking roger off of either those places of the belvidera rooftop. They say maybe he was pushed out of a helicopter which. I'm not going to lie to you. That mathematically makes some sense because he's then just dropping straight down right, but what I witnessed do we have the helicopter being in the area. Where not? Only that, then, you have a problem here like is he? If he's That of a helicopter pushed out of a helicopter he's forced out under that manner as he is. He just. Holding these items because people say well, maybe items were staged to be there in that location, and the problem is, if you, force him off of the ledge at any of these three locations or

force amount of the helicopter. Then You have to figure out way to magically place these items so that they fall right near the whole of the roof. That seems difficult, not impossible, but it seems unlikely. Okay go back. So what you're saying is if he jumps You force him out there if he is holding these items if he doesn't have them on his person rang, because there are people say: well, maybe these items were staged that, oh you know, I got gotta get rid of his belongings now, and I want to put them near where they're going to find his body right? It wouldn't be that hard for them to go. The garage remark on the roof and just place him down. But that's what I want to know. I want to know when they say these items were found near the hole in the roof. What is that distance right? Because if they are saying that

found within six inches of that forty inch diameter hole, that's pretty damn close Ghana. Italy are found just on some me. You know anywhere on the roof stopped and then, whatever anybody: could it just tossed him from anywhere in they landed there Y all wanna know like we have the flip flops, the glasses cellphone that we find on the roof to a fine other items that around is person in the room know it? It seems like the only things that were that were reported to be questionable where these I It were found on the roof itself before he crashed through. The.

our alright cheers: the mouse, true crime, animals, truth crime, animals alright. We have a note to talk about here captain, and this is a weird one and Certainly one of the more weird aspects of this entire case. In my opinion, and that is that a note was found taped to the back of ray rivera's computer and the way that this is described was that angel, his brother and Allison. His wife found this note taped to the back of his computer after Rey disappeared cabinets.

It was almost like. He took a bunch of pages and shrunk them down into one yeah. The description I would provide for this note for those who have not seen it. It appears that it's printed off on his computer and it looks like it's three different columns and that he put it in the smallest font. He possibly could to fit all three columns which in themself selves would be three different pages on one single page and then he seems You have gone around and cut the edges, the blank edges off of the paper to make the paper itself even smaller and then folds it up and puts it into a plastic bag or some form of plastic and takes it to the back.

Of his computer now you know there's a lot of things that you can question in this case and this know is very bizarre, I'd. I really do not know how to take this no or how to feel about it. I will say that the the things it does appear to me an outsider looking in that this was authored by ray Alison would go on to tell us that she believes that it was. It was written in printed the day that he went missing. Because she found the cut away. edges of the piece of paper in the trash can, but again this note folded up and taped,

the back of the computer, and we should also mention that, along with the no there when they found a blank cheque from his video production company, now the general description of this Oh, is that it is a confusing note that included the names of prominent figures in hollywood. Freemasonry quotation an additional ramblings, the f Analyze the snow and according to the retired detective, are viewed on unsolved, mysteries, the he says the FBI ruled that the note was not suicidal and nature. I have seen it noted with FBI may have deemed the note to be the dust,

delusional ramblings of someone in the throes of a psychotic break. I think there's a lot of people that keep notes to themselves. Like you know, I have notes that I put in my phone that, if you saw them, you did what the what the heck is, this one of them's just like a list of song titles. So if you went through the list and you start going on. You know, lonely forever. The next song zombie pills you'd start reading the less gone. What the heck is this this sounds like a lost as mine yeah, I think the location of where they find the no adds to the mystery of it, because now this man's mysteriously disappears. His wife says that she not all explain, nor understand his death, and then we have this note its taped to the back of his computer screen.

I get what you're saying and that's what my mind immediately went to in my own personal life of of notes that I take be it a computer in my phone on scraps of paper in notebooks, but that's in notebooks and on scraps of paper. You know what I mean it's like, What, if you buried in the backyard in its later found- or you put in your attic or take it to your ceiling or behind your computer screen. It takes on a different meaning. In summary, it's like why. Why did he go to the effort to print it the manner trim away. The edges covered up in plastic include a blank cheque with it and then take it to the back of the computer. It's it's one of those weird things where it's like they did. He do that, because he wanted it to be found, but not so easily found, and if it just the ramblings of a Aid mind whose saving

ideas are creating ideas and in in logging them for later use. It also again, it seems like a strange place to do, but there's also a section where it's a list of a bunch of people. He knew as well why. I think we should probably go through what is believed to be on this letter yeah, I will say that, because, if you're looking I'll posed a couple, the pictures I found on line by its, but all you see in his eye the though the note from a distance unlike nick, was saying that the fawn is so small that you came and make out anything so cunning and arrest him, because this case of talk about was on on solve mysteries was requested so highly from the listeners for us to go over as well. and there's really is normally a famous note like this: it would be all over the internet and and be documented and and diagram doubt

don't you kind of question the no even more because they have chosen not to do there and that's a good point. It seems a bit weird, the they allison and she is very level headed because I've seen views with her where she says all. I'm asking is that this be looked at and that people investigate his death because equally, we we've gone through so much minutiae in this case that we probably forgot to mention that the police deemed this to be a suicide. they say we don't have all the answers, but they say what we have. We don't have any reason to believe that anything other than suicide took place here, barn and back to his wife, alsina, very smart. You can tell she's very intelligent so, but why wouldn't she want to put out the right in her exact words from an interview that I saw with her, she says all I'm asking is that

it will take. Another look at this. The police and investigators. Take another look at this further, for my sake and for the family sake and for re sake, and she saying look. If you decide upon further investigation that it was in fact suicide. I'm fine with that. I just want to feel good and have some peace of mind about the answers I'm getting, and she does not have that right now. What so then that makes me sorry to cut you off, but it makes me question further. Then why is this? No, not more readily available right, because you can't, I can't find it anywhere and you're good at computer, normally find what I can. find is pictures of the snow and what I can find her people who have tried to transcribe the note best they can from blurry images of the note more by watching unsolved mysteries and hitting pause on the screen and trying to make out what they

they're. So when we go through what this note says, keep in mind, we, we can't say one hundred percent, that this is in fact the exact words word for word of what the note says: lazarus currencies. A lot of people are very quick to rule out a possible suicide. We have an individual that moved him and his wife across the country for opportunity. The obviously didn't work out- or maybe he felt like he didn't let the situation work out, because it wasn't a good fit for and then he was doing some other stuff, but when you have to start a company by borrowing a bunch of money, one of the number one reasons for suicide insists, especially in males is financial. So it's just not out of the realm of possibility.

When people say all while my brother would never do that or my friend would never do that or my husband would never do that- that happens a lot of times and suicides. You know sadly enough, but it's not out of the realm- ass, a building captain. I wanna go through this letter a little bit and I'm not going to necessarily go through every single word, because people can look this up and I If we really tried to analyze this down to every sentence in every word, we Be doing another four five episodes on ray's case am I'm down so again. This is what people have interpreted this letter to say brothers and sisters right now around the world. Volcanoes are erupting what an awesome sight. Then. Next we have a masonic quote again more of the freemason stuff and then that's followed by that

The well played game. Congratulations to all who participated. I hope you enjoy it, but it is time to wake up. So here I am I'd like to welcome those who accepted our invitations for membership during the game. We couldn't have done it without you. I took on this endeavour to find the truth, but not for its own sake and accepting this quest fortune, I hoped to make myself with the help of others into a man worthy and ready to receive it. Members of the council, please no then I will lend careful consideration to the tradition response, traditional responsibilities in light of these proceedings, and I will satisfy the standard request of this council within the appropriate time. Again well done to all who participated. I expect the council has invited all the players

We have gained their lives to this pursuit back, so they might join us here again. We we have no idea what he could be talking about. Join us here join us where we could, because a right scripts? It could be this jotted down. I deal for a monologue in a movie yeah and it goes on to say something like before. I continue with my instructions for the council and claim the prize for my service I'd like to allow porter stansbury to claim his prize the next couple sentences. It's not clear. A lot of the words are kind of missing, I'm going to jump over that a little bit, but at some point it's thought that he saying something to the effect of now that the game is finished. I expect the council to blank most people think he saying reward those who have given what might be time and talent to this

sure. Along with myself. These players should be made five years younger by the council and then it's a long list of names, and you can actually you can find this in two versions. You can find a small blurry version, where you can find a bigger version where the last names are redacted, but it's a long list of names, anything any thoughts so far on what we've gone through now keep going. Okay, I'm going to I'm going to offer up some of mine right here, because I don't know what this council is, that he's talking about, but He keeps referencing the game right. It seems a little weird to me that he is, there seems some kind of prize or reward that should be given to himself and to these other people And one thing that I find very interesting is that their reward that he is saying that these people should get is to be me,

five years younger by the council, meaning the list of names that follow that, because it is a lord. These must be people that he deems to be good people off deserving of a reward and going through this list, one name that did find on. There is frank stansbury, which we said at the beginning of yesterday's episode. That is free and his long time. Friend's name is frank. Porter stansbury, so can kind of going back to the idea that a lot of people are suspicious of this porter guy. But if, if he is in fact referencing his friend frank porter stands, Barry frank stansbury, in this portion of the letter. It's all like ray, is saying he's a good guy he's deserving of some type of reward for his effort for his time for his talents for his good deeds. Maybe.

But then, where that becomes, a problem is several times in this same no or letter whatever you want to call it. He refers to this man as porter stansberry, So then you have to wonder, is France is frank: porter stands berries, other. Does he have the same name and his ray then rewarding somebody else. You know. Why would refer to somebody a couple of times as porter stansberry but then later as frank, stansberry, yeah whoa. What's also weird, because he he lists the the game. As in the section where he's listing movies, the that's the believers, David Fincher or the David fincher movie, and but what's weird, is- and this I think,

it has been kind of blown up through read. It is the main character in the game dies in a similar fashion, Michael Douglas. Ah, he he dies from jumping from the roof of the building. Glass ceiling. Yeah. It's been a long time since I've seen that movie one nineteen. Ninety seven, I actually seven the movie different than that that there is several scenes of somebody committing suicide by jumping off of a rooftop. I don't recall it being. Who is that mountain, Michael Douglas or john douglas? I get the two father and son confused Michael, yeah, so a lot of people have reference. That is he talking about the game and then they take it a step further of with somebody a game on him. Was he involved in some kind of game while the ideas and nineteen ninety seven, the film

it was a man who participates in a scheme which blurs his concept of reality and ends with him, jumping from the roof of a building glass ceiling to in the movie, he's like extremely wealthy? And it's? What do you give the man who has everything for his birthday. You give him an experience and the right areas is given to him, I believe by his brother, which then drive him to insanity, because it just it's it's it's an insane movie really I actually feel like if we are going to put meaning to these words and try to decipher what he what he means here. I almost feel like the game. It's like he's referencing his life and life, being a game right, and- and so that's where I think it's weird- that the f b, I again we're not hearing this from the fbi, we're hearing it from a retired detective who says the f b. I said they don't believe that,

to be suicidal and nature, actually go the opposite way, and I am, of course no expert, but I go there. opposite way, and I see a note here that looks to me for how many shows do you have to do until we start discarding an expert. It looks to me like they're like it is suicidal in nature. It's like. I could see that yeah I mean it's like he is thanking the people that were involved in his game and in the game in his life- and I wonder, is there something a major event that we are unaware of that took place within a few years or up to five years before raise death, because the the using of these players should be made five years younger by the council seems awfully specific, so very strange line right did he lose his father. Did he lose somebody important to him? One? One quote that I love, and this is an old george clooney quote: is it the greatest gift that we can give

the ones that we love is time, and I find that to be such an interesting quote, because it's coming from somebody who's. Pretty darn wealthy and could give anybody that he wants a bunch of money and he's right time. Is one hell of a gift, and here we got re referencing, not that quote, but he states I'm very similar with a long list of people that he obviously there's about because the people that are included at top of this list, we have his brother, his father, his mother, his wife, his sister. So these are clearly people He is listing that he loves that he says he believes. Some type of reward for their participation in there time in the game he goes on to the a whole bunch of like inventions and innovations that came about since his beak, since his game began and then he goes on into some weird business- about the patents and prose

from all of these items that he'd list should somehow be transferred to him. Any references several different homes in different countries and continents that he can be found in at some point and after that it's another list of movies that he that he really likes I would love to meet any of you who helped contribute to these works and he lists many movies, all of them You know they're they're, interesting movies, not just the game, but you have seven and national treasure the DA code, the matrix one two and three so on and so forth in a specific reference to m night shovel shyamalan, and then he goes on to say, I'd also like to single out and there's a

If somebody again, we have Porter his name referenced a couple times in this letter, and I really can't make heads or tails of this letter captain. I don't, and I think that that this letter makes this story that much more confusing in the case that much more confusing, because what is this letter in itself or in lakewood, said the littlest, his hive hypothetically, say the the freemason stuff or he started doing research for ideas for screens. These people that are creative can get wrapped up, and to that end we have evidence of maybe that turning into reality by not one in his wife to go somewhere thinks people breakin into his house or at least alarms going off in his house. Is it possible there

something going on with inside his brain that his friends and family just weren't, aware of and that's why I keep going back to this idea of if he is truly afraid of something. Why, is he not telling people in his life? on the DE l. Look I'm worried about this situation. I'm specifically worried about this whole thing right here, especially his wife who he seems to be concerned of her safety as well, and then this no is laughed. But what is that? What is the purpose of this note is it? Is it meant to be a warning? I that's what I'm getting at. It's not obvious that it's a suicide note, that's clear, while there's a lot of actors that have done big movies and then those movies are connected to fbi or the cia, and then there's like spirits. He theorist that go all well. They had

Damon do the bourne jake born movies and then they bring in him into the fold, and so he actually is a government agent now and there's all weird conspiracies of that nature, and I just wonder all these notes are again, for big movie and he's referencing all these movies, he likes him once in one inspired by this list of movies and here the all these actors that he thinks could play in the movies that would understand the inner workings of a movie that was based around the freemasons or whatever, like you could compile this whole thing. That seems like a crazy thing and just go. This is a web when you're trying to create something as big as a movie. You're thinking about characters are thinking about their backs, store your thing about monologues that could be said in the movie you're thinking about sets and tones.

and it could just be a list of movies that he likes the tone in them. You know if you watch a your goodwill hunting, for example, when he realized gus Van Zandt uses it's all like autumn colors. The whole movie is, is the list of movies just stuff he likes about the way it was shot or the directors. If you put it in that context, it's like well that all makes sense. It could just be research for a movie right, and I think that's why. What I'm trying to get at here is that the people that point out that this letter means something I put a big question. Icann. That very likely could mean nothing at all as you're pointing out or how We go and look at this and go all. Of course. He knew that Somebody was going to kill him or he knew that he was in deep trouble, and so he left this cryptic letter taped to the back of.

The computer as a warning to everybody else or as a hey. This is what happened to me, but nobody can figure out or make heads or tails of this letter while so he didn't, if, if that was the purpose of it,. He didn't do a very good job of of explaining to any. But you see what I mean like it it to argue that this letter is proof that he was in trouble and people were after him I think that's a hard argument to make. When it's not a clear, it's not clear warning and it's not a clear arrowpoint to who did him harm yeah and again. This is a minute sounds like a crazy theory, but I don't know the character of rey cause. I wasn't friends with him they didn't show like. on the clips of this guy. I don't know it was here a bull guy or not. Is it possible that he moves out here is not connecting well with food

and and he's a little gullible and he's talking it's movie. He wants to make some consider. See movie and then his friends decide to play a trick on him. It just like the game right. I don't understand why his friend backed away like he did. It seems like if it was suicidal or if he thought that there was something going on with his friend mentally that he would have stuck around and answered as many questions as possible. I also think that if it was suicide that maybe this letter is kind of a cryptic way of leaving some kind of note. But again it's just not obvious so Either there was no intent or, with this letter itself or it just it's lost on us,

you're, going to point to this letter and then then say this letter points more towards suicide. That's when I say I think this letter points more towards. There was some and a psychotic break in the young man and he lost it. Any chose to take his life when his wife was not in town people. People have said well. He would have had to have known that belvedere hotel. He would have had to have some of understanding- and he wouldn't have because he was not from there- he was from out of town, and I that's where I take it a step further and I go. I don't know that that that is the case. I mean, I think, problem with this mystery is that it it was so long between the time he went missing to the time that he was found if he chose take his own life and chose to purposely not do that at his home, so that his poor wife wouldn't then later find his body, maybe he thought,

was jumping into a place that would put him in You know right out there for somebody to find him almost immediately, so she wouldn't have to come home and find him, but he just didn't know that building and didn't know that he was landing and crashing through into a space. That was, for the most part on you right. I won't or didn't assume he would go through the roof yeah did did he did he make a make? Did he I'm a steak and think that he was going to land on the street. I do want to go through something else here here, captain real quick- and this is from the baltimore sun newspaper Thursday august sixth of this year, and this isn't bonds to the release of the re

rivera episode on unsolved mysteries and I'm just going to read a few selected paragraphs from this, but I ask that you bear with me this article includes an interview with porter stansberry as well as interview with the author that wrote the book about the unexplained death, the body at the belvedere, but it also includes a second friend of ray's and his name is brad hop, who said that he knew ray rivera since childhood and remain close with him up to his death. He also believes the story has been twisted. quote. This is a real conversation. The world can have about mental illness and help people get help when they need it and quote, it goes on to say, and it too It turned into a murder mystery where they're, accusing people of involved later

the article stansbury says he has received death threats in his face. He has been harassed online, he said he's even been questioned by friends and potential business partners, say, says: quote it's You can't even imagine what it's like to tell people. I had nothing to do with my friend's death. Then we have Ray Rivera, went missing. Stansbury said he hired a private investigator offered a reward and personally helped look for rivera. Once the body was found. Stansbury said we were all sad and shocked by the fact that re killed himself, but once we saw all the facts and his financial per sure it wasn't much of a mystery in the show retired baltimore, homicide. Detective Michael bare and rivers. Wife say that after review,

His body was found, stansbury, refuse to return, calls from investigators and put out a quote gag order on employees to keep them from talking. Stansbury says: quote: it's a complete law. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a lie. He said only the employer. these were told to refer media inquiries to a spokesperson for which you have said is very common. He said he personally spoke with a detective on june twenty third, two thousand and six so where this good, little convoluted is remember. This is, after detective, bear was move to another division so on unsolved mysteries, detect the bear saying this man stands very wouldn't talk to me stands very thing. I did speak to a detective. It was just a diff detective right, bear was moved and it's not any type of conspiracy because bear did eat here

I? I did not agree with the police findings that this was suicide and I think, there's a good amount of actions here. So I applaud him for going the extra mile to really get to the bottom of this, but it's not a conspiracy that he went again the green and got moved to another division. He requested to be moved to this new task force they had formed and the way that those things generally work? Is you apply for a position or a department change, and it takes some time for that to go in effect, so he gets move now we have later in the article where Allison Rivera has said. The call came from this is the the last phone call. The call came from the switchboard of a gore publishing and the specific color could not be determined a gora. A global publishing company, headquartered in baltimore has several subsidiary companies, including stands berries.

And, at the time all calls were rounded through a main switchboard, a police spokeswoman on tuesday. This would have been august forth of this year said the call came from and owned subsidiary company of a gore publishing. So when you read reports that say it came from stands berry and associates. That's not what the police's position is publicly on this. There not sing it didn't come from stansbury associates they're, just saying it came from a subsidiary of this parent company. So his friend talks to law enforcement. He gets detective to look for his friend. He puts up oh ward. Now you have this other friend coming out saying that ray had some mental issues, mental health issues, but couldn't he still.

figure out who made the call to re and what that call was about yeah guys cause. I also think when he talks about these financial pressures, he would no more than anybody because he's the one that had his friend come out there, and so he gets there in its not working out, but was it not working out even more than were led on to believe, because we will also do have records and or statements of all. There was all this credit card debt and their student loans, and there was the house there were upside down on the mortgage. We just don't have any reports of that right. We again, we just have this stands character, saying this publicly. All these years later been in their house very long, so I could imagine that they had much in the way of equity and I've seen many references to alison's and rays. Financials online. I don't

those statements and reports are coming from. So I don't care to bother to report them here, because it could just be some some pork basement typing that up and putting it out. As fact I haven't seen it published any whereby anybody that's credible, the article, though It's a lot of really interesting things in. If, if I can I'll continue here, if you Ah me how continue a little bit longer so stansbury said that ray There had also asked him previously if he had if he was in leadership of the freemasons, which stansbury said he thought was a joke. He said when Rivera family and friends were searching for him. Rivers, wife told him that the saturday before he went missing re was moreau. and would not get out of bed. She told me she was very worried about his mental state. At the time he disappeared. Stansberry said quote: I'm not the

the friend re approach and said these things that were very odd now back to the, for the second friendly reference earlier brad hartman raise childhood friend said not long before his death re repeat, We asked him about being a member of the free masons and discussing the film eyes wide shut, hop men who also worked for stansbury at one time but says they were not close, said the week before his death rivera ass to be able to visit his top floor apartment in the jersey city in jersey, city, rivera, add a key to the place, but then returned it said quote: he was acting really really weird, that is a quote from Brad hop in a separate. have you that I read with employees and people that worked with this porter stansberry, they said

it was pretty common for porter who, as you pointed out earlier, is pretty successful. It was pretty standard practice for him to hire people that know Fairly. Didn't have a background for the position that you, offering them, but they were p but he knew for most of his life right and that it was people that he trusted. You know he knew to put these people in a position of trust where it where they would have his back, he would have theirs and therefore he valued that trust level, more than them being educated or experience in that specific area of work One thing that I found really interesting and goes along with some of the opinions, be it whores in mind that we have shared throughout the years in regards to the Brian shaffer case. Listen closely brought men. Member brought men is the author of the two thousand and eighteen book about

air as death, she was a resident of the belvedere. She said that the netflix show interviewed her for hours and she told them, the roof was easily accessible, not at all difficult to task to reach, as the show asserted in her book. She explore various theories and concludes that Rivera likely had a mental break and jumped from the roof. She says quot. I think If they'd included my interviews, it would have closed down a lot of the speculation, because it would have been obvious that a lot of avenues and angles had already been explored at length and quote stansbury said the case is being sensationalized quote. I think, what's really sad this is, there are people in hollywood who would do anything to craft the story to get attention even when it comes to destroying someone's reputation and try.

to sensationalize the tragedy of a death of a thirty two year old man, and quote I that off the interesting that we have the woman that wrote a book about this case that lives in the building and says you know what I I she saying they kind of conveniently left out my interviews because I was saying it was easy for someone to access the roof. Just like I told you when I went in and are viewed others. Charity guards at the ugly tuna, and they go of course, there's blind spots and he could have got outta here without being on camera yeah and he'd go well. Why has it been reported for the last five years or ten years or whatever that? it was impossible which, because it makes it a better story, it's a little more juicy, so you have we're a situation and one thing I want to point out to remember- we said that when they, when they transferred the

belvedere hotel when it went from being a hotel to being renovated into condominiums, to tell mo that there were still some portions, of the building that were not privately owned. You know these are common spaces in some spaces that were in fact open to the public, rang the bell hotel as it's. He called even all these years later has a space that is called the thirteenth floor. Well, it's kind of a famous bar, so it's open to the public for people to go up all the way up to be it the thirteen floor and have some cocktails and drinks up there. Well, that's not too many floors, far away from either the top or the 11th floor ledge believe that he would have had to have jumped. So I think it's it's a weird situation of what the store, He is kind of missing that we're hoping to fill in here. Is it one? Yes, the rooftop in the ledge

we're probably more likely accessible than what we have a standard. You know. And what we have an understanding of so far. So what it sounds like here captain is that the areas where he possibly could have jumped from were easily accessible that is a reasonable explanation of why the security footage does not exist to this day and We have engineers who say that it is physically and mathematically possible for somebody to make it out that far horizontal if they're traveling at a speed that is, is easily attained by a man who's in good physical condition, so I rule on the site in a well? I lean on the side of suicide. Here, unfortunately, with ray rivera's case, the I still have at the end of the day. Even with these answers that we

try to provide, is I do. We have a situation where no one has ever come forward and said I was the person that called re on that day that he disappeared I think, one of the reasons why people have a hard time believing this is suicide is because There was an alliance signs of depression, and so normally, when people think of suicides they think of that the individual was depressed again. Is it possible that he was having some kind of mental break and not seeing things as clear as he once did whatever happened, array was obviously very tragic, and it's a horrible story to have to tell two horrible case to have to try to sift through and make heads or tails of What possibly happened to this young man who had his whole life ahead of him and, as said, was

loved by everyone around him again captain. My question goes to if these other persons who are saying we believe this was a suicide, were backing the police's theory. have suicide. This is what was going on and raised life at the time and it's a sad situation that we and I have a discussion about mental health, about mental illness and work towards helping people? again. Why do we not have the person coming forward and saying I was the send the call re than afternoon on may sixty seems, like everybody has an opinion or a theory about this case you have one good, a true crime garage dot com and leave that for us on the blue,

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