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You are now listening to true murder, the most shocking killers and true crime history and the authors that have written about Gacy, Bundy Dahmer, the night Stalker Dck every week, another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and infamous killer, true crime, history, room murder, with your host journalist and author Dan. This is Nancy good evening. A doctor stabbed his two small children forty six times to punish his cheating wife at

He was found not criminally responsible because he was depressed and suicidal after six months in hospital. He was released. The murder children's mother was outraged. But how far would she go to avenged her children's deaths? The story- that's featured this evening- is death, bedside manner, psychiatrist, poison, canadian courtroom with yours, truly guy Turcotte was born on April 21st, one thousand nine hundred and seventy two He work with Isabel Gastil at Hotel de Saint Jerome Hospital as a cardiologist. He fell in love with gas in Quebec City in nineteen. Ninety nine.

They moved in together in two thousand, but the relationship was characterized by domestic violence from both parties. Turcot moved out, but soon reconciled with gas toll after promising to work on the relationship. The relay in ship improved and turcot proposed to Gaston at Mount Washington. New Hampshire, Gaston accepted his proposal, and they were soon married. Their son, Olivier, was born into one thousand and four and then years later. Their daughter and Sophie in MID January, two thousand and nine shortly before God stolen turcot plan to leave for a trip to Mexico with their children. Turcot was informed that his wife was having an affair

with their personal trainer and friend Martin, who it who it's girlfriend, Patricia. Garro notified Turcotte of the affair and provided emails, exchanged between Hewitt and guest. All Turcotte in gusto decided to separate two days after coming home from their trip to her car that left the family residence gas stone. The children stayed in the house and both parents agreed to share custody. During the separation between conversations between Turkey.

Gaston were often very heated. On February eighth Turcotte found out that his children had been to a call back carnival with their mother and who it the carnival, had special meaning to him. Since he had lived in Quebec City and attended the carnival for many years. I could not accepted Martin spent time with my children, as if I was being replaced. The Today, a former neighbor told her caught that the day he left who it had spent the night and had been staying there almost every night for the past two weeks, Tergat said the information made him flip and on February tenth he went to the family residence to fetch his son sweater and found he would in the kitchen. Tergat said you stole my wife. You be true

made me, you were my friend and he punched in the face before leaving the house on February on February drop by the house again, and this I'm gusto, ordered him to leave telling him you are going to stop controlling my life. Now, if I want to, I can change the children's names I can get custody. I can move anywhere in Qubec that day, while he was at work. Colleagues noted no out.

Word signs of distress. He exchanged emails with gusto and also picked up his children from daycare and school. He telephoned gas stone later and she informed him that she had changed the locks under the house and consulted with a lawyer. He replied: if you want war, you will get it after putting the children to bed. He read dated emails from Gaston Thank you it afterwards. He began searching the internet for sites with information on how best to commit suicide. The next morning February, twenty for two thousand and nine two police officers followed up on a call placed to nine one one after the responded had expressed suicidal thoughts to his mother, they entered the respondents home. The officers discovered the bodies of two children, a boy

and a girl in their beds stab forty six times in their upper bodies. Two thousand six hundred and twenty seven times for Olivia and nineteen times for Anne Sophie Turcot was discovered under his bed covered in vomit in blood. He told police he drunk windshield wiper fluid and wanted to die. He was taken to the Saint Jerome Health and Social Service center, where doctors there realize the man was one of their colleagues, a cardiologist hospital director, Francois varying Confirm the man was having marital problems with his wife was also a doctor at the hospital. The two had worked there together for about six years. Doctors decide to transfer Turk.

To a hospital in Montreal, where he remained in stable condition. Go back. Provincial police took over the investigation returned to the scene. Autopsies on the siblings were expected to take place in Montreal to determine the cause of death police contacted the children's mother, who was on a ski trip. G card was charged with two counts of first degree: murder for the deaths of his two children. The trial began on April 12th two One thousand and eleven defense lawyer, Pierre Poop, are told the jurors at the start of the trial that they'd have to determine whether the once prominent cardiologist intended to kill his children. What's really at stake is what did he have at his head? Why poop are said.

Did guides her caught a human being caused the deaths of his kids, with the intention of doing so in a statement filed by his defense lawyer, Pierre Poop are Turk Ated. Did he committed an illegal act and caused the death of his two children but claimed it wasn't a premeditated act? Poop fart told the jurors that they will have to determine turcot state of my when at the time of the crimes and whether he knew what he was doing, the defense First witness was Turcotte's own mother, Marguerite Fournier, who presented the jury with a booklet of photos of Turcotte and his children, depicting the kids at play at Christmas and birthdays on outings and when traveling each photo brought quiet sobbing from the accused.

Cuts. Mother testified about the last phone conversation she had with her son before the children were killed, Turcotte lamented his failed may urge to Isabelle Gaston from whom he had separated. Just a month earlier Forney said her son sounded depressed and told her gas Fallon was cheating on him It has been going on for weeks. It was happening in my house in my bed. His mother advised him to look forward, but her son didn't seem to hear her, but then he said something that struck her as out of character. I love you.

Tell dad. I love him. She remembered her son repeating those words over and over during the hour long conversation. When I heard that this course I was afraid he was about to take his own life. Fearful he's been drinking for Nae, wanted to drive to her son's that night, but her husband had told her to wait. The next morning she drove to the house finding the shades drawn no sound coming from inside and no one else on the phone or the loud knocking on the door. Maybe my husband still had hope. Things are okay, but I had no hope at all. She testified Born chilling, nine one one call pleading with police to hurry to the rented home was played in court Turcotte solved in court. As Crown prosecutor, Claudia Cardinal outline the details of the double slaying,

a crime scene. Technician gave jurors a view inside the home two knives to blood stain beds, a near empty windshield, washer container in a bathroom and vomit on the floors. The couple's life coach recounted that Turcotte had told them. The little boy pleaded his father to stop. He was stabbed twenty seven times, while autopsy results show the five year old, a levy, a tried to defend themselves from the attack witnesses who encounter Turcotte at the hospital. Following his arrest, told jurors, he asked not to receive medical treatment with a nurse centel do almost testifying that he said he killed his children to spite his wife He said he wanted to make her angry and the way to do so was to take away from her what was most precious, the constant

trade concentration of methanol and guide her cause. Blood was the equivalent of between three and five beers for an average size man, a defense witness testified the same width, Toxicologist, Anne Marie Folk are testified. She found a potentially fatal dose of methanol Intercot System the day after the February, two thousand and nine slings Under cross examination by the crown prosecutor, Falque said she estimated someone who has consumed that much beer is conscious, cohere, enable to have discussions and negotiate fuck. Her said, such a person is quite capable of doing what he had to do but had noted in her initial testimony ones, level of awareness can be reduced after consuming such levels of methanol. She explained that effects of methanol in the human body or similar to those from the consumption of ethanol, the alcohol,

found in wine or beer, but with less of an impact prosecutor ran a ferrate questioned. Her experience on methanol intoxication with car replying that she was had worked only on three or four similar Cases in the only survivor was Turcotte evidence presented, though, had not established the quantity of washer fluid. He had consumed. Later Claude Rollard, an expert in Neuropharmacology, said methanol does result in memory loss. He referred to a scientific art. Call regarding a mass poisoning in New York in one thousand nine hundred and fifty three, where people have been drinking a mix of fake whiskey and methyl alcohol or methanol. Several people ended up going to hospital to. Treated and had suffered major memory loss. Some couldn't recall setting foot in the hospital how they got there, but the appeared rational when observed by medical personnel.

On May, ninth G Turcot took the stand speaking slowly, but. Clearly. Turcot spoke about a childhood where he was was the awkward outcast about his eleven year journey to be to become a cardiologist and how he came to meet his now estranged wife. He was born. Third of six children in a suburb s of Montreal and grew up in a devout catholic family in an overflowing house where there wasn't much communication. He was not Very popular, not very athletic, in his early years were tough. He was the target of jeering and always the last person to be chose on teams. I was a little guy. Everyone laughed at and made fun of a war big glasses, and I was timid.

Said he had a number of relationships with everything changed when he met Isabelle Gaston Happy Hour in a Quebec City bar in nine ninety nine. I will attracted to a right away. We spent the whole right together and I fell in love with her that day, he described the stones having lots of charms. Filing full of energy intelligent and a leader I found myself lucky to be with this girl. I was surprised she was attracted to a guy like me, I think I'm pretty ordinary and she was just so hot. He told of the couple splitting once in two thousand and one following an argument. We're punches were thrown by both of them, but after a few months to The ship was rekindled and not long after he proposed to her on Mount Washington.

His demeanor on the stand was more composed in earlier in the day when he sobbed, as his lawyers, tabled photos of him playing with his children and celebrating birthdays and holidays. In his testimony turcot also recalled disordered scenes of the murder event. He is standing in Son's sons. Room has a knife in his hands and stabs his son, the sun cry. Without no and moves away from him. He realizes that he is hurting him. He panics and stabs him more He has a similar memory with respect to his daughter. He season self in the bathroom he drinks windshield, wiper fluid he has blood on his hands. He has hurt his children and looked for the knife to stab himself in the heart, but cannot find it on the stand. The crown ass.

What about a phone call he made to his colleagues at hotel, the hospital after he was arrested and jailed in the call Turcotte mention his desire to collect the check for three hundred. Fifty three dollars and that he had wanted to leave his calculator to a coworker took out replied that at the time after being in jail for eight days, he was having difficulty coping with flashbacks with the deaths of his children and that he did cited to kill himself and before he ended his life, he wanted to make sure all his affairs were in order. The crown also questioned Turkey out about the events of the night of the two killings and why he did not take his own life. That night, you stabbed your children forty six times. Why didn't you have the courage and the strength to stab yourself? Even once ask the prosecutor. Turcotte said he won the stab himself, but could not find a knife. He used to kill this children. How did you not see the knives.

How would you like me to explain it replied turcot, elaborate that his memory of the events of that night was still shaky previously is that it explain how a knife was found under a live his body and that a second knife was found on the edge of the bathtub near Turcotte bedroom. Now, finally, testifying Isabel Gaston Tune turned to her former husband in the prisoner's box. X you weren't, a bad father that I know she said sobbing and Never say you were a bad father, never about half the courtroom wept while listening to Gaston's testimony. She testified that the couple always had its problems she never believed her cock would ever hurt his own children. The testimony was so highly anticipated that members of the

It began lining up an hour and a half before the courthouse open just to get a seat. Marcie often broke down on the stand. Gospel play out, through nearly two hours of testimony recalling the final moments with their children. She dressed Olivier the morning of February 20s and gave him a kisses. He went off to school. He weighed back at her. The final time guess now saw him. A few hours later and Sophie would be dropped off at daycare, but before setting off Gaston Scurried around the car for her day the exchange of a minimum of twenty kisses with a toddler who is sitting in the child seat Do you know how much I love you Gaston says the little girl told her as they shared their kisses.

The jury also heard that tensions had flared for an umpteenth and final time between Gaston and Turcotte, when she. Had the locks changed at the home. Six it's them following a number of run ins between her ex and her new boyfriend Martin, who it she testified that two was livid. You want a war, you will get a war, she recalled them saying over the phone, Gaston panic at the threat, but she felt the warning was related to money. She ended up sign in to go on a girls weekend northeast of Quebec City. The next day the kids were found dead. She found out about it on the news I feel stupid for not thinking that it hurt the kids cast all set. I never thought for a second. He do that guest on an emergency room physician at hotel. The hospital is

Jerome also cried, as she told the jury about her relationship with Turcotte, which began when they were medical students in nineteen. Ninety nine. From the beginning, we had our ups and downs guest Said in ten years I couldn't say it was all black or all white a couple of thoughts and thought a lot about everything from parenting and money to intimacy and kids extracurricular activities. Gaston said she tried to improve their relationship to reading self help books and employing a life coach. Despite the good that came with the Livia's birth in two thousand and three and Anne Sophie's. In two thousand and five, there was plenty of bad castle said they said rated once early on, while dating after she found gay porn on his computer, she more gay porn again in two thousand and eight, although she confronted him turcot eminently denied being gay. That discovery, coupled with the arguments,

Lack of intimacy in their marriage would be the beginning of the end. She said. Guest all begin, a new relationship with you as a personal trainer of theirs. It blossom quickly, but she decided to keep it secret. I regret today's not having told geek myself earlier Gasol said referring to how Turcotte heard the news from a third party from Hewlett Sex. I waited because of Ansel see in a live VA cast all stated that she and she, what are still together Gaston the senator caught as a good father. While they were together, she said each contribute as a parent, mothers and fathers don't always see eye to eye, but I think we were complimentary cast all said. Even when the couple split she had hopes, they might still be friends. He said she won

some to be a team to work together on raising the kids. She last spoke to tear caught on May 17th, two thousand and nine, when she called he's, Psychiatric hospital in Montreal and operator transferred the call gas. Hadn't gone to work that day and was thinking of committing suicide herself. She had already written the letter first, he wanted to ask turcot why why the kid This guy, I love them more than I love myself. She told him he replied. According to her me, too, the judge had instruct jurors. That acquittal was not an option, as Turcotte admitted to stabbing his children.

I still see an Olivier in February, two thousand and nine. The trial garnered unprecedented media attention in Quebec, with members of the public lining up for hours every day for a seat in the courtroom. Thirty nine witnesses to justified, including Turcotte, his parents, Gastone and numerous mental health experts. The jury had to this slide on one of four scenarios: first degree: murder, second, degree, murder, manslaughter or not criminally responsible by reason of mental illness. It reached the decision July Fifth on what would have been the jury. Sixth, Day of deliberations, rendering a verdict of not criminally responsible do. Due to mental disorder adjustment disorder with anxiety and depressive moods isabel against the limited to being astounded by the outcome. Despite having prepared herself for all

Potential scenarios with this verdict, my path will really not be easy. Gastall told reporters at the Saint Jerome Courtroom Qubec Court. I'm in shock, even if it had been first degree. Murder. I could not have been satisfied because it would not have brought back my children in this life. She said Gaston doesn't want an appeal and said she won't testify again. For me- and I speak for myself alone- it's over. I will never return to a trial. There was public outrage expressed in the media in the province of Qubec over the verdict, but in the rest of Canada, the story didn't seem to resonate

news of the verdict did spread like wildfire on the internet? However, with hundreds of people turning the twitter and other social media to discuss the outcome, several major province of Qubec television personalities even wait in to express their own personal disgust. Very, very disappointing verdict criminally not responsible, I don't believe it wrote guy. The page host of a popular television talk show on call back on his twitter account. Another prominent Quebec tv personality, Julie, Snyder wrote that she was crying while thinking of the verdict I'm astonished she added veteran lawyer and former Quebec Crown prosecutor. Robert Lee Hays, said the public's emotional report. Response is not surprising, but it's important to remember that juries are not supposed to be populist. He said juries render justice based on evidence the way the evidence dissected it and decided

at the end of the day and concluded reasonably an without emotion, Lahey said Crown attorney Claudia Carbonnel said she would study the case before deciding whether to appeal at this point. After a long trial. Our thoughts are with and so fee and all the VA and the family of, and Sophie and Olivier. She said: Isabel gas phone asked outside the court room to be left alone that she could have for privacy again, guest on told reporters. He hopes the place after life the this, where she can see her children again. I'd like to sign that they're all right that they're happy. She said in tears.

Peter guards future is now up to us. I catch the Psychiatric Review committee that will assess his state of mind and his risk to public safety. He'll undergo a series of psychiatric about you with valuations at the Pinnell Institute in Montreal before the committee decides whether he needs to remain in custody. Senator Pierre two boys of you boys, I knew who doubles as a victims right advocate. Has stated, the jurors should be barred from sitting on complex murder cases in which a defendant pleads insanity. The senator also feels that the government should be concerned about a sharp rise in the number of not criminally responsible verdicts in canadian courts.

The senator made the comments after the latest verdict came down in the trial of former Qubec Doctor G Turcot, who admitted to fatally stabbing and mutilating his two children turcot. Eddie, suffer from anxiety, depression and suicidal thoughts. Amid a crumbling marriage, the cardiologist could be free later this summer. If the Criminal Review Board decides he's not a danger to himself or Society Federal Justice Department Statistics show a startling increase in not criminally responsible verdicts of almost fifty percent. In the last twenty years. A spike, larger, eight attributable to call Sports- these are disturbing. Statistics, said both of the new who plans to raise the issue with justice. Minister Rob Nicholson when someone admits to having committed, Crime there is a responsibility that comes with it: boys and use

The jurors in the Turcotte case were barrage with conflicting testimony from psychiatry. Made their job extremely difficult. Some countries have chosen to have psychiatric evida provided by three experts who are independent of the crown or the defense he said so Six show that nearly half of all not criminally responsible verdicts between one thousand nine hundred and ninety two and two thousand and four came from Qubec courts. Even though the province has less than one slash. Four of the canadian population Ontario Canada's most populous province had thirty seven percent of such verdicts. In the same time period a finding that irks Boisvenu, he says: Qubec courts are softap on defendants who plead mental distress. The gap between Qubec and other canadian provinces should concern us. He said it is a symptom of a society that trivializes the crime and thing

that punishment is wrong, while Senator Boismenue statements do not do raise some interesting points that may have some merit and of concerns. The statistics cited seemed to imply by the jurors are an underlying factor of the increase of not criminally responsible verdicts, but that is simply not the case. Most of the cases of NCR in Canada or tried before judges. Only a much more prevalent in disturbing trend is crown prosecutors. Failing to aggressively dispute defense assertions of mental impairment in many of the cases Judge was presented with an agreed set of facts by both the crown and defense, where the only witnesses were the psychiatrists who made assessments based on meeting the accused a few short times. The judge is bound by judicial precedent to make it to

nation of guilt based only on the evidence presented, so the verdict is inevitably not criminally responsible. For months we have read horrific details of the killings of the Turcotte children by their father G, since turcot admitted to stab His two children, a five and Sophie three the trial was about why he did it on Tuesday, a jury found, I not criminally responsible by virtue of his mental state. At the time of the killings, the jury has given us a terrible verdict. Turcotte should have been found guilty of murder. This was a case that highlighted issues related to depression, family violence and social values. Defense argued that turcot killed his children because he was depressed. I want to refute that assertion. My perspective is not from a legal viewpoint.

But as a social worker, with thirty years of experience in council, severely depressed people, often following a separation or divorce and working in the fields of family, workplace and personal relationship, violence. I understand a debilitating effects of depression, and I know that it is not unusual for severely depressed people to think about killing themselves. They're focused on ending their own suffering and they are not preoccupied with the impact of their suicide. On their family members, nor I should add: are they preoccupied about killing others unless bipolar illness is involved? In this case, that was not alleged to Benefactor include. A loss of energy and extreme fatigue is therefore hard to understand how someone with severe depression could have found the energy to stab list

one hundred and twenty seven times in his daughter. Nineteen is far more likely. The turcot cenergy was fueled by rage and the desire for revenge. His activities, leading up to and after the murders were puzzling. He was consume, with the needed put to put his affairs in order and to ensure his ex wife. Not have access to money, he even refused to pay for his children's funerals These actions do not point to someone who was in a deep depression alone. Rather they point to an extreme disconnect with feelings of love for his children. They also point to a self absorbed individual who acted in spite Turcot was portrayed by his defense lawyer as a love, devoted father, who could not bear to lose his family, and he was so overwhelmed by the infidelity of his ex wife that he lost it in moment of desperation. We were led to believe he killed his children and tried to kill himself. This argument is not valid. Turkey

would have had ongoing access to his children. More of an issue than the children no longer being in his life, I believe, was his having lost control of his wife. How egocentric it was of him to think that the children would be better off dead than being shared with their mother, Killing the children indicated a desire to punish his ex wife for her ending their relationship. This is what Conjugal violence is all about family violence. Experts with whom I have talked about this case view that kill young children by their fathers at a time of separation and divorce as an act of rage and revenge. Often the perpetrator as with Turcotte, does not exhibit previous violent behavior case also brings into question societies. Values at highlights a gradual erosion of personal responsibility for one's behavior and the ease with which arguments can be in

reduced into a murder trial to remove that responsibility, as reported in the gazette's July Second story, headlined Judge edge tells jury. They must agree on motive. The defense claim It was an act of twisted compassion and extended sewer I despair is children from a father's life. This per June of language attempts to reduce her personal responsibility for his children's murder. Extended suicide is an oxymoron to kill yourself is a suicide to kill. Others is murder to try to put the killer you have. Other people under the umbrella of suicide is shocking. The children in this case do not have a choice of living or dying, this choice of words is dangerous. It leads us down a path that would destroy some Heidi's, core values and attacks- part of our moral code. Thou shalt not kill twisted compassion, was another phrase used to justify the killings. There was nothing compassion.

In about causing the deaths of these two young, healthy children, nor in extremely violent way was carried out, they would have suffered excruciating pain in their final moments. Her, in my view, in the view of colleagues with with whom I have spoken, become became so enraged and bent on revenge that he gave himself permission to, kill and doing So we jumped the berry of permissible behavior. The jury has given us an unfortunate verdict. It is weak and our social fabric. Free mah angle, is a Montreal social worker who specializes in workplace conflict resolution bullying and violence prevention. She is a contributor to the canadian Center for abuse awareness. Online magazine abuse hurts dot com Peter caught to go back doctor found not from

response for killing his two young children is allowed to take on escorted bike rides from a mental hospital. Que MI agency has learned. The bike rides are not violations of the former cardiologists confinement conditions, the review Board ruled in June that, while cut must remain in hospital, he has the right to leave the premises to allow for the transit. In between his current environment in life in the outside world. As of this month, turcot has been allowed to leave Pinell forbid in eight and sixteen hours a day and can even sleep over at relatives homes in twenty twelve Turcotte said he was better Benny. He was before the brutal stabbings in February two thousand and nine. He feels felt less shame less guilt and had more self esteem.

And was ready to be released, testifying before a mental health review Board to determine whether to keep turcot another year at the Pinellas Psychiatric Institute or release him to the care of his family. Turcot said he was not a danger to anyone. A psychiatrist said that double child killer. Turcotte is an ideal candidate to return to community, as a panel decides whether the freedom from the hospital defense trial. Witness doctor Lou Lewis that told the review board. There was no reason to justify the has pilation hospitalization of the former cardiologist, who stabbed his young children forty six times in two thousand and nine he is no longer the same man said Morissette set his improved everything he could prove to make sure he doesn't reoffend

has not had any symptoms of mental illness since the fall, the audience at the Pinal Hospital included Turkovs Ex wife, who has become a victims rights advocate since the She said Turcotte was a chameleon who has not changed since the murders and still poses a threat to her. I can't stand it. She told reporters, it's insulting, he says I'm lying. The defense continues to downplay the rage. The express to me. Isabel got stolen, best lambasted, the court system for letting her ex husband he Turcotte, walked the streets of Montreal and potentially practice medicine again after killing their children in two thousand and nine guest always spoken out against her Ex husband's released from a psychiatric in

institution six months after being sentenced in just over three years after he admitted repeatedly stabbing their two young children in their beds. A mental health review Board team that, while he still posed a risk, he could be released from a psychiatric institution Under strict rules, he is now a free man and sends said he intends to reapply for his medical license. He also said he hopes to fall in love again and have more children. We we have a person that is a cardiologist that never had a psychiatric incident, not at all Gaston said. I have trouble to understand how someone five or six hours can do an inner. Be with someone and have a conclusion that he is not a danger society or is mentally insane. I have to respect the jury's decision, but it comes.

Once me and my values, because I think they didn't do their job. Gaston said she is at the year. Researching similar cases then seen large disparities in the results, depending on the judge, the XP of the lawyers and even how rich the defend it is, as it influences the quality of the defense. She added that she now lives in fear of what her ex husband could do. Next, what brought him to do that is still there. She said. Is it going beam me? Is it going to be another woman? She said that she is still haunted by the deaths of her children, who are also covered in defensive. Her son did not have one single fatal wounds, Sochi knows. He died a long, painful death to know that my

open face the person that they should have trusted the most and that they were left by themselves to die with no one holding their hand. Gaston said, as she struggled to container terror here, two tears, I struggle all the days every day of my life and I think until I die, I will struggle. Turkey has released outrage, Qubec residents and even the canadian government called Turcot's release unacceptable we believe that Isabelle Gaston does not deserve to live in fear of her children's killer and neither do victims of similar crimes across Canada said federal Cabinet, Minister James, more Prime Minister, Stephen Harper government drafted legislation to make it more difficult for mentally Bill offenders to be released from psychiatric facilities, yet it will not influence turcot's case for now

Turkey has been released on conditions that he does not contact his Ex wife or her family that it continues. His therapy. In it, he lives at an address approved by the Pinel Institute. He is not taking any medication for mental illness. Presently the release comes after turcot underwent six months of regular therapy, which he said has left him less anxious. He said he is able to deal with the stress, much better, Keaira Pierre has been overseeing his mental health for the past six months and said he is really satisfied with the change in the man and believes he does not present a short term danger the ground floor it is filed an appeal in the case which will be heard in the new year on September. 30Th, two thousand and thirteen arguments were heard in Quebec's court of appeal. The crown was requesting the

two thousand and eleven jury decision be annulled in a newt ordered. The prosecutor argued that the judge in the trial should have never even given the jury. The option of finding Turcotte not criminally responsible Brown said there was a little a lack of evidence to support a defense of not criminally responsible for reason of mental illness, arguing instead that the killings were premeditated intended as revenge against former partner Isabel gas. Now who was having an affair The Quebec Court of appeal has now ruled that legal errors were committed in the original trialed, including by the superior court judge who presided over it Turcotte drank Washer fluid later that evening and what he says was an attempt to kill himself the crown said and not criminally response.

Verdict should only be reserved for cases of mental illness. Not ones were a suicide attempt might have triggered an after the fact blacked out the appeals court verdict. Sided with such critics took us lawyer, Pierre Papa are argued on, successfully that he suffered from serious mental illness at the time and was intoxicated on windshield washer fluid as part of a suicide attempt who power argued that the trial was thorough and meticulous, and the jury ultimately arrived at the right verdict. Gaston was watching the case closely an closely and was in court to support the overturning of turcot. Set. The case is weighing heavily on her and that its outcome will greatly impact her life. The stress is coming out for me: it's a big step for our justice system to repair. For me, what is the biggest injustice in my life? She said that the fences argument that

suicidal and therefore unable to distinguish between right and wrong sets a dangerous precedent. In November two thousand and fourteen to Qubec Court of appeal. Overturn the two thousand and eleven jury, not crumb responsible verdict in order to second trial on two counts of first degree, murder Gastone became an outspoken advocate for justice reform after the deaths of her two children and set a second trial could never fix the damage and the distress she suffered during the first one Turcotte, who faces a second trial for killing his two children, told the judge. He deserves bail because he's not a danger to society. I think it can be useful, rather than wasting my time in prison. The Turcot told Judge Andre Vincent.

Looking pale and drawn and wearing foot shackles, the former heart specialist asked to be released to his uncles house pending his second double murder trial, scheduled for next year. Turcot. To persuade the judge. That frame again would not undermine the public's confidence in the administration of justice. My least I often went out in public places. I never had problems. It's a for one time in the shopping center, when a woman recognized me and became aggressive a day err Are the bail hearing heard from the psychiatrist who said Turcotte fell into a deep depression when the Quebec Court of a will ordered a new trial. Last December he was confined to a Montreal Mental Hospital for seven months to double the normal dose of antidepressants and had persecution. Delirium and episodes of paranoia Doctor Renee Roy testified, who

It's like a little five year old boy. She told the court he bit his nails. He was really in a pitiful state. The second trial for a former Quebec cardiologists charged with first degree, murder in the deaths of his two children, began with the critical task of selecting a jury to hear the case. The case will be heard before Quebec Superior Court just this Andre Vincent with three month set aside for the jury to hear witnesses an final arguments, the Qubec Court of appeal ruled in two thousand and thirteen the turcot should stand trial. Then. After concluding, the trial judge at erred in his directives to the jury, the Supreme Court Anna refused to hear turcot's attempt to have the new case dismissed turcot. Forty three was somber and impassive as he sat in a prison

fox closed his eyes. Briefly. When the judge said he was accused of having killed his two young children all out on bail since December Turcotte moves slowly as he navigated the corners at the courthouse, accompanied by his parents, has about twenty five journalists and can watched on Crown prosecutor, Aaron Avery said he expects to call thirty witnesses. I told the trial. He will argue. This client should not should be found not responsible for the deaths parts

will be eleven jurors. He will call witnesses as well as experts doctors specializing in the examination of what goes on in the brain. They will talk about an acute, suicidal crisis. Poop are set turcottes mental illness brought about that condition. The high profile defense lawyer told the jurors they will have to determine whether Turkey it was in a state of such psychological distress. He said he will try to Prove that the accused would never have caused the children's death had he not been in that mental state. He also reminded the jurors that they will need to reach a verdict based on the evidence and not on their emotions. Condemning a person who was not criminally responsible would shake the legal foundations and strike a blow to the integrity of the judicial system. Poop are set, it would be horrible to be condemned for

facts that are not the acts of a person of sound mind. He. Warn jurors. There are still things to see that are painful and that nobody, even Turcotte himself, can be insensitive to the facts of the case. The defense lawyer all so ask the jurors to not forget that the children who were victims of this tragedy we're also his children. Turcotte took the stand in his own defense. Speaking in a low monotone voice, Turcotte testified. He often had brief suicide. Thoughts. After his frequent acrimonious arguments with his Ex Isabelle Gaston, he said the stormy relationship made him feel discouraged and depressed Turcot testified. He thought about ways to end his life quick. Only such as by hanging were ingesting windshield, wiper, fluid or poison, but turcot said he never went through with it because he said he couldn't do that to the children.

Turcotte testify. While this relationship and arguments with Scott got worse and more heated, his relation what their children got better all the time, adding that he felt good being with them. He testified. He never thought about leaving a stall because he wanted the family to stay together. D Turcot said he was marked and intimidated as a child and that he had few friends I was sort of the scapegoat. The defense at the G Turcot trial has called psychiatrist Dominique bore gay too they'd stand to convince the jury that the cardiologist was not mentally competent when he killed his two young children in two thousand and nine per specialty is homicide. Cases involving family members and she's testified for the courts. Hundreds of thai she explained her resume and and how she went about analyzing, Turcotte's claim being mentally ill when he killed his children,

Sylvia and Anne Sophie more get met turcot on two occasions in twenty ten, while he was detained under psychiatric observation. She concluded the former cardiologist suffered from a mental illness called adjustment disorder with anxiety. Being depressed mood. It is a relatively common condition triggered, as the name implies. My anxiety and depression The illness, usually last six months on average and disappears once sources of stress are no longer present that

This order is considered and a normal reaction to stress many of the people with this illness will try to commit suicide. The psychiatrist added it turcot did not suffer from a personality disorder in his youth, although he does display obsessive, compulsive behavior. The double murder trial for G Turcot has moved away from the descriptions of the physical evidence to the murky mental evidence of a killer state of mind. Dr Jacque Talbot testified on behalf of the fence on Monday, at two hundred and twelve for the double murder of his children. Talbot was the first doctor the meter caught when he was admitted to the Pennell Psychiatric Institute and was his doctor of record for one hundred and fifty two days. We first met Turk on on February twenty six, two thousand and nine one week after the two children were killed. Talbot said turcot was suicidal and suffering from

anxiety, adjustment disorder. Talbot said the Turcot first questioned was to ask of his children were still alive and what had happened to them. Previous witnesses have explained it because he had drank methanol. Turcot may have been suffering from amnesia Talbot testified when he told her crowded oblivion and so were dead, Turcotte

shut down emotionally he diagnosed this as disassociation due to stress the doctor said he placed her con on medication for depression, suicidal tendencies and sleep difficulties on February Twenty seventh, one week after the slayings Talbot said, Turcotte had reached a sort of breaking point and couldn't live anymore and wanted to commit suicide. He noted he couldn't do it while at the Canal Unit Institute, but didn't rule out eventually killing himself tell the described her because is trying to insulate himself from his emotions. People do this. He explained as a defense mechanism when one's emotions are simply too much to bear. Turkey

It began to immerse himself in complicated literature and penned a list of specific items to recover from the home where the slayings took place, including a sack of potatoes. A compact disc, in a pepper mill, Talbot confirmed what turcot had said that much of his memories February twenty February 20th we're scattered, and he only remembered flashes in march. Two thousand and nine turcot was still angry at his now Ex wife Isabella Gaston over her infidelity in April. The suicidal thoughts were still present. One month later, he said his life is over and that death would be better turcot told the psychiatrist he deserved to suck

burn was surprised at the support from his own family and the friendliness of staff at the institute. While listening to the testimony turcot stared at the ground, not looking at the jury, the witness or his lawyer, or get explained this in more detail to the jury The night he killed his two children get her caught was no longer able to deal with the emotional burden of his rapidly changing personal life was on the verge of committing suicide. It was like one shock after another, she told the jury. Turcot's mental state was like That of an overflowing glass of water and he couldn't handle the rest of his marriage and the instance ability of his wife. He was in an acute, suicidal crisis, calling it a pervasive state. The person becomes overwhelmed obsessed with suicidal for

That's, then they lose touch with reality. Forget get find the condition as a disease not just an emotional reaction to stress, do it, which contains methanol. As he went about his plan, he decided to bring his children rhythm, it's clear even on its own methanol poisoning, is likely to affect one's judgment and alter their consciousness. She said a telephone conversation get her caught had with his mother the night before he killed. His two children was sort of a suicide note. The defense expert witness testified Louis Morissette, the psychiatrist appointed by the to evaluate Turcot, said the hour. Long telephone conversation was a sort of sp open farewell letter where he told

mother, he loved her and ask her to convey that message to his father and siblings. More set said he believes turcot had sunk into a deep despair on February 20th and was in the midst of a suicidal crisis that led him to consume. Windshield washer fluid before electing to kill this children out of a clouded logic that he didn't want him want, didn't want them to find him dead. The next day under cross examination. He was asked to defend that conclusion, giving previous testimony from two witnesses, including Turcot sex, wife, Isabel suggesting he mentioned he was seeking revenge.

Before and after the slayings. It says what it says. There is no explanation. Morissette said adding. While revenge is possible, the clinical evidence doesn't back it up more set spoke of the final conversation and said turcot was already intoxicated. And it likely been consuming. Windshield washer fluid before talking to his mother and suggested to turcot suicidal thoughts came suddenly when G Turcottes stabbed his two young children to death

is engaging in an act of homicidal, altruism Louis, more set was cross examined by the crown for a second consecutive day and told the jury. Turcotte killed his kids because he didn't want them to suffer. He said the x doctor acted out of homicidal, altruism because he wanted to prevent them from witnessing head of his eventual suicide, but he added that logic was faulty and the result of sick, mind Moore said in the previous defense. Witness Dominic Moore get concur. Turcotte was suffering from a suicidal crisis after the end of his marriage. Would lead him to drain

Windshield washer fluid the night. He killed his two kids on February twenty second February twentieth, two thousand and nine Crown prosecutor, Renee Voree, Accuse Moore, said of trying to minimize the effect drinking windshield fluid, which contains a toxics substance. Methanol had on tour caught, you are excluding the methanol as a can. In fact, are very asked. Yes, it was very marginal. Morissette said: Vorrei was incredulous about the clay name. Turcot really wanted to kill himself because he chose to drink methanol which, after ingest in brings about a slow death. The crown prosecutor also asked more set to explain why turcot called his mother, the night of the murders asking her to come, save him which he she could have done before the methanol took effect. More sets at turcot truly wanted to kill him so

of that night, but failed more get told the jury. She believes the acts were a product of a man whose brain was profoundly sick. His brain was not working in normal person's. For said, adding that Turcotte was disconnected from reality. He in a state of mental confusion was out of touch with reality. She said he thinking so much about dying. He was no longer thinking of anything else. She testified. The turcot was not thinking of killing his children, the night they died for him at that moment, it was not to kill, it was to bring his children with him. She said that this logic was clearly faulty in irrational. We understand that this way of thinking is highly abnormal. An can be explained in Mister Turk, odds case by the presence of psychiatric illness. She said a parent who is contemplating suicide, doesn't think about kill,

But rather about an expanded suicide, because a good parent doesn't want to abandon their children to leave them behind his actions. All the more absurd she said because he's causing them to suffer by killing them to spare them the suffering of finding their father dead. We're gay testified. It's our costs for Travel in two thousand and eleven Ansom again in July, two thousand and fifteen, to make a second report in his cross domination, Crown prosecutor, Renee Avery question. Whether Bro had been too willing to believe everything. Scott told her. During her analysis, he asked brigade to explain.

Why, on the day of the killings, turcot was able to go to work, call his mother and cancel two appointments. If his brain was not working properly, Orge responded at Turkoz Brain wasn't working well, but it could still make certain connections the crown wrapped up its case after calling twenty nine witnesses. After a twelve week trial on December sixth, two thousand and fifteen g Turcot was found guilty of second degree murder. In the stabbing deaths of his two young children. In two thousand and nine, the jurors returned with the verdict on their seventh day of deliberations. A muffled yes could be heard in the courtroom. When the verdict was announced came from the direction of Isabella. Gaston, yes, no spoke to reporters after the verdict and said she was relieved by the jury's decision.

Today, I hope the soles of Olivia and Anne Sophie can be at peace. She said for me, this is the day I can begin to rest since there's deaths. I've had The impression my life has been a struggle now, it's all about healing, but guess tall said her. Life will never be the same. Even with the verdict tomorrow, I will not wake up with my children. Turcot sentencing arguments took place on December 18th. At the sentencing hearing us not toll Turcotte to look her in the eye, as she defiantly declared that while she is his broken her heart, his not broken her resolve. I want you to know, get your caught, that you have achieved your goal. She said as Turcotte his head down, sat shaking in the prisoner's box. I want to look

I want you to look me in the eye. You have broken my heart forever, but I want you to know that you have not broken my wrist results. Many in the court room cried the hand cut after cut, cried and tried to wipe away the tears as the list. The judge hearing the arguments invited Turcotte to speak. The doctor, the ex doctor jumped at the opportunity. People cannot understand the shame I have he said in a week sounding voice. I cannot look people in the face, I'm so ashamed. I want to tell you Isabel, I didn't testify to make you feel responsible. He said added the one to explain what he done and gone through after hitting the bottom of the barrel. It was not to hurt you. I know I can never forgive myself for what happened.

Prosecutors suggested Turcotte serve a minimum of twenty years before he would be eligible to apply for parole. Well, the defense countered it should be less than fifteen and closer to ten cast. All the only witness the crown chose to have testify Friday. Told the judge she always wanted to be a mother and that losing her. Open ended that dream. The woman who existed two thousand and nine no longer exist and never will again. She explained She has tried to have other children, since the slayings underwent procedures to help that happen, but at forty three I have lost hope. The g here's had a choice of four possible verdicts, not criminally responsible or guilty of first degree, murder, second degree, murder or manslaughter Vince, and ask them last week if they had any recommendations for the minimum number of years. Turcot should sir, but they said they had none.

Since the murders occured in two thousand and nine turcot will have only one murder conviction sentence with the second conviction to be served. Concur Only only decision will be how long until parole eligibility between ten and twenty five years Quebec Superior court justice, Andre Vincent we make, will make his ruling on January. Fifth, two thousand and sixteen Isabel against all read a statement. At the sentencing hearing for her Ex husband gave, This is a translation of the letter she submitted to the court. Your honor, I hesitated about speaking with you before I was worried. I wouldn't be heard victims, it seems, must always wait their turn. What we have to say is too much to be heard all the way, through after much thought,

Though I chose to exercise my right to speak because you aren't, among those have prevented me from saying what I needed to get off my chest: I've injured, difficult proceedings and for years and my place was at the back of the room I injured Is with courage and relief that I'm speaking to you today, aside from my concerns about not being heard standing before you and saying out loud everything. I've injured law Stan felt seem to be at odds with my desire to forget and my constant effort to rebuild what is left in my life. I'm here for myself to help me move forward and to make peace with what I can change and give me the strength to face the future. I'm still standing. I am resilient, but I hope that when it comes time for you to render your sentence, this letter in my voice will echo and remind you what I have suffered because of the turcot. I want you

to remember that he did nothing to help my life make make my life easier after the deaths of our children. We easily recognized the consequences of convicting the innocent, but we too often overlooked the consequences of justice denied by killing a Livian Annsofi guy Turcotte broke my heart and destroyed a big part of who I was he Anaya the precious life choice I had made be the mother. I was in two thousand and nine. The woman I was in two thousand and nine no longer exist and never will again, socially so so logically. Financially professionally Olivia was the most of a little boy that Sophie was the most extraordinary little girl. When we are young, we dream about what we want to be. When we grow up, we see a future for ourselves some dream of winning the lottery. Others are becoming astronauts. I dreamed of having children.

The morning of February 20th, I had two beautiful children and In twenty four hour later I had none. I was still in shock a few days after their deaths when they was a knock on my door, and I was given a list of items to be retrieved from the house to pay for his lawyers. I suffered a great deal of anxiety as they threaten to sell off the children's toys. Said no real financial value, but symbolically for me those toys were worth all the treasures in the world. I was still be and hurt. I had to hire a lawyer, so my children's belongings weren't last forever, the death of my children means I will be working through the complexities of my grief and post dramatic stress

for the rest of my life. I'm learning to tame my heart breaks many days in much of my down time have been devoted to this process and will be continue to be devoted to this process for the rest of my life. Since February twentieth, I have learned to smile, even when I am in pain. Even when I am suffering I have had to learn, what's come live with constant fear, because some people have called me a slut, a whore, a moron. Among other things, I have received hate mail. I've had to go to police after receiving threatening letters at work. I have felt enormous guilt, because some people said I was responsible for the deaths of might for a long time. I didn't think I deserve to be alive or to be loved. Each are caught, never took responsibility for his actions. He painted himself as a Tom inferring that I was responsible for what he did with every

passing day. I worry that I will forget the happy memories I have of my children, I'm afraid of forgetting the faces their faces and voices. I miss them. I am the parents whose children are still by their side. That is made my friendships in my family life painful. I have had the same friends for years and they all have children the same age as mine, even though I have pro it's when you don't have children when the legal pro this has been underway for seven years. There is little to talk about. Until the trial and legal proceedings are over, there will always be the main topic of conversation. My friends, children have asked me questions. I've had to learn to lie, because there is no good way to explain the unexplainable. How was refuse life insurance because the insurance company deemed my risk of suicide too great, even though I

never attempted it, and and and I have never had any mental illnesses. I was told many parents mourn the death of their chill when and I never get over it. I can't increase my disability insurance in we have already maximized Mister Turk, Hotson

minimize, my own. I will never be well covered in case of illness, not at least in the medium term. My joint bank account was emptied, which caused me much stress, because I was worried that I had been a victim of identity theft. I missed days of work and occured lawyers fees to recover the money that was taken. Someone also assume my identity to obtain information about me from my insurance company. I gave up my job as a corner because the many legal proceedings may be unavailable to take on new cases. It took me years to get that job, which I had taken all the necessary steps to obtain. I had to give it up after two years with sadness, because it was a job I had coveted. Since I started in Madison, I stopped working as an emergency room. It was work that I loved and I had done full time for almost twelve years. I realize that, given the lack of sleep.

In a haphazard schedule that was increasingly capable of dealing with the horrible flashes of what my children suffered. I was afraid of freezing up. That's an example of post dramatic stress, it's a psychological reaction that occurs when we suffer a blow to our mental and physical well being, and it can inflict much pain. Maybe you didn't see it. In all of the photos, but I saw my children with all of their wounds and injuries just days after their death. I cradled them might And died alone in their beds. It's unimaginable the attack came from the inside from someone I trusted most in only from someone a Livian Annsofi trusted beyond their physical pain. I cannot imagine what they must have been thinking and have not seen all all, these horrible images, just once but many times and Azra

bells of the many legal proceedings. I have stopped counting my sleepless nights. It took seven years to trials and appeal of an appeal in several administrative procedure, but finally, on the six, two thousand and fifteen justice was served. I sacrificed my private life not by choice but by obligation. I could not continue to look at myself in the mirror, annoying that what had happened was a grave error. Despite my distress in my struggle, I could not injure the suffering of the proceedings without speaking you know whenever I could, even today, in spite of the verdict, I remained bitter. I don't understand why we didn't proceed more quickly.

Judge at the beginning of my battle, I was told to forget about it that it would not that I would not be able to change things, but I found failings in the in the system. For years we have not placed any controls on the quality of medical evidence presented at All trials, I want you to know that I sacrificed my health and my life projects for this battle, which I believe It is a fundamental one in September, two thousand and sixteen I will have put in five years of intense work for it. I still feel a certain frustration toward a government system does not that does not wholly recognize. Someone like me whose children were killed as a victim of crime. I do not understand why we don't change the.

I back law in this regard. There are so few of us, I'm still hoping that one day a minister other official will come and call me to say. Yes, we are changing the law for parents whose children are killed. I believe this will protect the children because at least the aggressor won't have the pleasure of knowing they also kicked to the curb families who, Aren't as fortunate as I am in closing, I would like you to caught to know that you have achieved your goal. You have broken my heart for good. However, despite all that I have suffered because of you, I want you to know that you have not killed my resolve. You have not killed my capacity to marvel nor my ability to of even broken. My heart still beats strongly for a Livian Anne Sophie, I'm a better person because of them with this verdict. I can now rest. I am happy, I'm waiting for snow

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