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You are now listening to true murder, the most shocking killers in true crime, history and the authors that have written about them: Gacy, Bundy, Dahmer, the night stalker Dgk every week, another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and infamous killers in true crime, history, true murder, with your host journalist and author Dan Zupansky good evening investigation discovery, murder chose me featuring legendary Shreveport, Louisiana, homicide, detective rod, dam returns for its second season on Wednesday April. Fourth, at ten p

M nine central only on id the series all those memory is reflects on memorable cases from his fourteen years as a homicide detective where he miraculously achieved a confession and one hundred percent solve rate in the more than two hundred and fifty homicide cases where he served as lead. Detective Demory himself is no stranger to tragedy. Having experienced an incredible loss at the age of three. When his mother was murdered. Then, when Devery was in his twenties, his brother was convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison, offering a uniquely personal connection to the story of each homicide. He solved Murder chose me takes viewers on a journey with Demarini, as he continues to be driven by his one mission in life to find justice and resolution for the families of murder victims, just like his own.

In each of the ten, all new episodes of murder chose me intimate first person storytelling meets the gritty, Shreveport Louisiana backdrop as Demory, personifies how very impactful and life altering murder is on the victims, loved ones. The program we're featuring today is murder chose me investigation, discovery season, two with my special guest filmmaker and. Rod Delmarie welcome to the program, and thank you very much for agreeing this interview. Detective rod, Delmarie welcome to the program. Thank you thanks for

Thank you. Thank you very much incredible. I just viewed the the opener that everyone is able to look at on April. Fourth, the second season, the opener incredible, let's get to a little bit of the background. It really so we just spoke a bit about the age of three. When your mother was murdered, tell us a little bit more about your mother's murder and your your brother being sentenced to life in prison and really how this really shaped your career as a homicide detective. Well, I think my mother's murder and my brother's commit a murder gotta. Give me about. That that was pretty unique. The fact that I could relate to someone who's experienced that in their lives, survivor or murder victims family. I could actually feel what they're going through.

Children that you know they lost a parent. I knew what they were going to experience this person or brothers case. I could relate to some of the suspects, because I knew exactly what it was like to have her brother and what he did. You know, I guess I just learn to separate the crime from the criminal and realize that it's something they did in that something they were so uh. You gave me a balance that I just don't think I would have gotten otherwise, if it's just a guide to buying plan, I suppose now this is the second season of murder chose me of all the cases that you did in the fourteen years. Just just curious. What was the criteria used for separating those stories and saying these are the kinds of stories that we're going to have in these seasons of

murder chose me: was the criteria for picking what case you would feature you know. I don't know that there was a real formula there. You know we talked about most of the cases and and a lot of the more memorable. I think the the the initial cases were the ones that were just probably most forefront, Mama and for whatever reason you know, maybe the the dynamics of the case or just the way I just remembered it, but I don't think we had a real systematic way of doing it. I think the idea was this. I wanted to get as many cases as possible and I think they wanted as many as possible. So I I don't know that there was a a real selection process other than that now tell us how you come to what is the name mix in the in this series in this investigation discovery series it's a half hour episodes or pardon me one hour episodes

and so tell us really what it's a mix of dramatization and interviews tell us how what the viewers might look forward to in terms of the mix of the components in this series on investigation discovery Yeah yeah- absolutely, I am, I hope the narrative show show. So I tell the story and, as I go through the story at certain points they go to the reenactments and in actor Jonathan who plays me and they reenact certain parts of the crime? Then it cuts back to me or I'm telling this story some of the witnesses and

media family members that were there during the time they they're also interviews, but it's a it's. A mix of of my first person tell the story and a reenactment that we give them a visual view of what actually really happened, and it's pretty good at it. I think it's a a pretty seamless transition and it it is work. It seems to work pretty well, absolutely tell us a little bit before we get right into the stories in the the episode opener on April. Fourth of people will be able to see, tell us a little bit about Shreveport Louisiana and especially the neighborhood that this crime is in love with yes, report, the southern city at the

it's, a pretty old city, there's a it's it's an old southern town. I guess is probably the best way to describe it. That's grown into somewhat of a account with an urban area, the demographics or it's probably fifty four, fifty six percent that black and it's it's just one of those those cities that that up at one point. Was it a serious decline? Obviously, crime rises with that, but it's also a pretty small neighborhood. Is you know one of those small towns or about his notified is great hospitality and it it's a probably what most people would consider, a hometown, the other hotel right

You also talk about. We might as well get to this right now that there is something that to a is a situation with an industry that since report- and it affects this case- someone will explain that, but tell us a little bit about which Freeport has a an industry that not everyone does have yeah it's uh. We have a movie and television industry where you know there. There was a lot down there pretty heavily at one point, especially during this particular case, and it brings the obviously economic growth and seven one eight four, this isn't there yeah one of our biggest challenges are issues were were to dislike most cities. Our size was to try to gain that that type of role for our city and hope for people yeah one one job start to dry up. So I think that was the a guy thing you know there is. There was just so

It's been brought to the city at the time when this case took place. That would obviously important that we make sure everybody that, with your studies now in murder, chose me this first episode.

You have a woman out jogging and comes to a spot and the doors are open. What did she see? Tell us about this opening scene and of course you were right there investigating this from beginning to end so tell us about this scene, but yeah as she's dog, and she sees a car but the door on the cars ajar. So obviously it grabs her attention. She looks inside and there are two people in the front seat. There shot one person slumped over the other and there's another person in the back. They do with this shot and obviously traumatic, saying for so yeah. Three people that are shot in the car is she's just jogging by obviously she's distraught and runs and calls the police patrol off just get there once they get there. They call investigations and I happen to be the alcohol detected at that time and.

This call is that was yeah clearly shaken up, but up her initial site or or thank you saw with the people shot before you have a really dramatic opening those in in terms of the he sees two people slumped in the front seat covered in blood and she looks at the back and then someone from the back like comes a live like out of a horror movie, and this contributes to her running off and screaming. Doesn't it

was who these people are and the condition of the person in the backseat. This isn't quite dead. Okay, yeah the they were actually one of the work for a caterer that service, the the movie industry and the other two were friends. The one in the back seat had a shot as the ones in the front with the ones in the front we're moving. So it was the pretty still thing up front. The person in the back had the shot, but as the door opener at the she appeared in that car. The person the backseat moved in yeah, it's pretty common for crime scene, where there's been yeah Nova, Scotia the people there shot

The the the rest at that point is the anybody that survives get him to the hospital. Clearly, somebody, this is run by a dog bite sees that you know they. They have no idea what to do for the call. Thank you. You say they take Troy grade to the hospital and he's in the condition that you can't question right away, but you process the scene and take a look at the scene. What is it, what are the conclusions that you and your your partner's them specially you? What conclusions. Do you make from that crime scene? Well immediately? I knew that there had to be another crime scene and that's because there was an absence. This shell casing.

Yeah? We had numerous gunshots into a well. There were only two shell cases there, so either that person was shot somewhere else or the people were shot somewhere else or somebody cleaned up the crime scene either way it wasn't the original crime scene. Now you talk about that. This is not in the best area of town. Where do you find these shell casings? But you say this is not the crime scene for say you realize that right from right from the get go uh. What do you find? Almost immediately as a result of this investigation or how it progresses very quickly about the possibility of where that original crime scene was well, the fact that there were no show

cases there is. That was the immediate question, but one of the patrol officers told is that the the shots fired. Call this couple blocks away just prior to that so yeah. The immediate thought of the obvious thought is: is that maybe that she took place there and they were moved or transported to that area, and- and that was the the Key- the fact that you know there was within a short time of the shots fired call before that, and then you know here we are at this crime scene now that missing some key evidence, so the media thought is to go back there and check out that call and sure enough. That's where the the shots actually resonated.

Now, what do you find at this original crime scene? That leads you to other leads? Well, there was a witness there, the rest of the shell cases, so just at that point, just kind of Mary in those two crime scenes together and bring in all that together and trying to piece the story together from that, There is an abandoned house in the area and you decide to take a look in that house and what do you find in that house in terms of any kind of connection to this murder yeah? There was a person in the house and that person had some blood on, so our initial thought was that maybe they were involved in it and that would be a witness. So we brought that person into

see if we can get more information out here, you would actually also found a bloody shirt that was discarded in that area as well and so obviously you're going to send that for testing weren't you yeah yeah, it's uh yeah. It was actually a trail that led back to that that initial crime scene and then the shirt was clearly looked at that point, I thought that it was part of that process. Tell us what you find is this abandoned house and who do you find and what is the story and tell us about this as terms of a of a good lead? Well, if you want to,

if you watch from that point on the on the on the show, it'll it'll show you how it developed and and how he and and all the other pieces come together and the the actual, if the kind that kind of leaves all the the the little pieces and I will give you, give it away or spoil anything, but all the the the elements that come through you can see how it goes from the initial call. Two detectives coming out in our investigation, and it just kind of progress is through. That will be. I think that the biggest part of the this particular case were the you know the interrogation and the.

The people that came the witnesses that were developed in in it just kinda seamlessly works together. You know, of course, at the time it doesn't seem like it's gonna work out that way, but the way it we present in that- and I want to give away too much, but the way you present it it kind of, brings everything together and casual. Tell those cases work well in not giving anything away. We you do get to see in this, which I We talked about the mix of things of re, dramatization ation, but the very important stuff, especially for a nonfiction audience, and especially this the nonfiction elements completely and really, important the interviews that you have. Obviously you have the man it's killed in the front seat. You have to go and give that kind of that kind of information about this death to her. You actually have interviews with her and then you have a reader

ties in yeah. Yeah doing this. For me. In doing this, you have all the important players in this and in very important interview. As well, and then re dramatisations to round this out. In telling this story here. What is it that you think is most represented in this story? When you say the separate things come together and you to show how those elements intertwined in one league which doesn't seem so promising leads to another solid lead. What is really in this episode yes, maybe the underlying thing that people could take away from it. I think I think what people can do it or what they're probably gonna, take away from it. You know how that works. You know how you

you you get there and you you're excited about one lead and then that kind of fizzles than a yeah maybe not so excited about another one, and that was kind of you know, materializes all the elements that. It takes to solve a murder, I think you know from just talking to witnesses and people in the community, and I think, probably the the statements from the the victim friends.

And obviously the interrogation, you know all these are are brought back in the mix that you talk about it. You know all all talk on on on camera, about how you know. I brought this person in an interview and then we'll we'll switch to a scene where they actually played to the actual interrogation, and then you know we'll switch back enough that you know this person said this and will cut to a a scene where the person is a yeah acting that out, and it is just kind of kind of flows together and I think probably, the the the take away would be yeah.

Someone watches the show they'll see how it is. It unfolds from start to finish in here, the the actual drama in the the emotions involved or pretty well represented. So I I think of it and as you like, like you, miss about the opening scene, you know all those things that typically aren't available. You know if you're, if you're, watching the news or something you heard about the case, I think in this with with with the show you can actually go step by step and just you know, kind of followed the case from from my eyes, I guess is probably the best way to without giving anything away. I think we can still talk a the story for people to have a really up interested in in the season two and to take a look at this. When you talk about your police work, it's it's evident in this story that you do not have the employee

any kind of tunnel vision or jump to any kind of conclusions, and because, if you were to jump to some conclusions, you would number one interview, witnesses differently and assume different things and and like I say, with a tunnel vision, you might go down a route that really doesn't lead to a resolution like it does in this case, and you talk about this bottoms. The bottom so tell us a little bit about the bottoms and what it's known for and at least initially what police might have thought was in terms of motor, because you didn't have any motive for murder did you? No? No. Actually you know what that that's a that's a pretty good observation. You know, I don't you know it and- and I think that's probably the the most successful way to work any case, and you know the bottom has a reputation for being a red light yeah in the immediate thought for people with that, you know when it when I see an unexplainable crime is you know,

maybe it's drugs. Maybe it's this. Maybe it's that and you're absolutely right that when you go in and if you have a mindset like that just kind of, shocking things up to be. You know where they are or who they are you going to lose a lot. You're gonna miss a lot, and you know that that's an unfortunate thing to enforce the thing that happens. Often you know yeah, thank God that I didn't have that type of attitude, and probably because of my my life experiences in the things that I think yeah, I didn't have the ability to do that, but you know that that's a pretty good observation, because that not many people what that actually picked up on that, but the reality is, is that you know some crimes are or unsolved before they're even started because of a preconceived notion about an area or person or people involved in right. They right,

talk about this. Is this it's interesting too, because what we talk about is that again, no tunnel vision employed here and you have to have that kind of technique to be successful, especially as incredibly successful as you has have been but also the way you want for this in this documentary in this part of me, this television series is that it's very much like the real day to day work that you do not every single cases. As memorable as enough to get on on the screen, but it is an unfolding mystery. Isn't it and you do it very much demonstrated in this first episode. It absolutely is, and you know at at and and again that's that's the probably the biggest part of it, because they're they're, all mysteries- and you know, and when you will go in with a particular mindset or notion that you know it

gonna be this or that you want to predict is a project that is where you kind of lose lose track of it. I think the the the big take away from it, and- and I think what was actually the the blessing and all of it is- is that people can actually see that how it works, and- and and with that in mind they can, they can understand health yeah, something that issues and ideas. The way you think when it comes, crimes like murder or any other violent crime like that you have to interject a human aspect of it. You know it's not something that you can just learn and just in practice because you're absolutely right, you start develop in television. You start thinking. Well, you know we gotta predicted to predict that. I think that the the hallmark of any good about detected for or police officer for that matter is to have an ability to kind of then what to you, think Inglewood

what you know- and you know I think the other biggest part of that is- is that I think the most probably the best quality any police officer can have is, is being able to to do that. Just be unbiased and- and you know it, it seems like it's an easy thing to do, but you know sometimes it's not, but but if you're able to develop that, you know that human connection be unbiased and b I'm just middle you'd, be surprised how these things unfold. Absolutely you do have all kinds of important interviews leads that are seem to be very promising that don't amount to anything. But you do have this clear attitude that you find a lot of of these stories that I featured in a lot of books and a lot of documentaries chronicle. The

disregard for will say prostitutes or people, drug users, testimony something that they had witnessed, and so they are dismissed and then later in hindsight, that was a huge mistake. So you do talk to some at some people and you do demonstrate that with that attitude, that part of that attitude of not being judgmental, and rather Just treating them like any other human being get you some really significant results, and it does in this case is yeah. It absolutely does you know. The fact is, is that you know- and I wish to joke with with with a lot of police officers and and and others that I work with that you know, but for the grace of God to be the same person, you know, there's there's this misconception that that people, somehow, if you're, a prostitute or your drug user or whatever the case may be there just somehow less of a person or you have less of a voice? And that's absolutely incorrect when you,

that or or understand, and believe that you know that everybody is- is evil, regardless of the circumstances and and ironically, some people that seem to be in and very talented under situations there are most times if, if not, if, if not all the more honest people who who who seem to think they have it all or command, is sort of the attitude that they do, you know it at the end of the day. You know it's a it's a it's a honest in a in a spiritual way of of thirty people. I mean yes, your first is that the least among you know, and and that that kind of the attitude that you have to take. We service people for whatever reason, but when you do, for whatever reason believe that somebody has left a voice and

else or someone more important and or going to be more honest at the less. This is kind of where we lose it, and I definitely appreciate you recognizing that, because I think that's the biggest part of the show that my own personal side, that's what I want people to take away from the other, all sorts of other things that people may not be able to see that they get off and all the other aspect, of the shows yeah. I think it's that's probably the biggest for me in the area. That's just been at the tone of my career. Absolutely we talked a little bit about the Shreveport Louisiana and its film industry and again this won't give too much away at all. But this could led to the

again another lead that lead to nothing, but tell us about so you say you worked in the catering industry, but we didn't explain. Why? Is it important that this case get solved quickly and without much fanfare? Why? Why is that important? Well, you know, I think, when people see stuff in this horrible, if this or any crime that happens in in where that person is affiliated, you know in in the unfortunate thing is: is that you know if there is areas work, work, people don't get that much attention like we just just talked about, but when all eyes are on you know it brings a lot of fear in what you don't want to do as any any public service wouldn't want to do. Is Is to seem like you, don't have control over over. You know people safety and, if you

have an industry like that in and you in so many people, so many different levels. You don't want to alarm. What you want to you business to get and move on. You know once you, or or the appearance of something. That's really not usually the case kind of pushes people away so Cases were, or, or people or or hurt or injured it. It sometimes depends on who the victim is. You know it could be someone that worked in the industry like in this particular case, or it could be a young child or it can be a student or something that

that alarm a certain segment of the population, obviously all all murders? In my opinion, this is to receive the same attention, but there are some that that require extra care, because some people do have preconceived notions of people. Unfortunately, don't see things the way you know we were talking about it, but up here that I think that the a big push for you know it and that's it. I guess this is Bonnie were, were you know, so many people are affected right. We're gonna use this as an opportunity to Texas Emory forward to talk about sponsor of our program, which is break out, dispatch games, murder, romance scandal. That's my kind of mystery dispatch by breakout games delivers all that and more straight to your home, told through clues re even the mall in the mail just

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Now, rod we were talking about the film industry and trying to get this crime solved as quickly as possible, but not just because there's a there's, an industry that might feel threatened. It's just because of the way you operate and it's the thing that you To do the longer you leave this, the longer it the harder it will be to to do this now, in this case again with Giving it away because there's so much to this story, so many things lead to other things. Without giving it away, what is it that solves this case? In your mind? What one of those elements

in law enforcement that you rely on. Was that one thing that solve this case that would be interview an interrogation. That is a you know. That's the thing about probably love most about the job being able to make that connection with someone, and you know we can fight all sorts of evidence. We can find all sorts of forensics and and so on and so forth, but it doesn't really bring it to life, but when someone actually tells you the story of what happened and then there's there's evidence that supports that you know it's. It's not good enough for someone to say you know what I shot, person or or some of the status person shot a person. You know you want to be one of the details. You want to exactly out happened. You wanted you wanted intimacy. That would show that that person absolutely have to be there and for me, in this case, in all cases, actually is it works for Maine.

There are so many ways to to get caught up in in well. It looks like this may be the case, and then you know try out to be completely wrong. So when I, when I work a case, that's what I go for I go for you know a person that can actually relate that story, but not just that someone that can relate the story and I can supported by evidence this is there heavily reliant on on you know, forensics or or maybe even cry and think that stuff is is good stuff, but I I don't like to have that down. I don't want there to be any doubt actually. Here, though, the I think for me in this case the thing that brought it all together for the the interviews in the interrogation right right. You talk about

The some of the characters that are in here that you interviewed and one of the biggest features of this is that because of your experience in Shreveport and is fourteen years in the area, you know so these people so right away. When there are viable suspects, peoples names come up. It. It's as easy as putting an alias through the system that you can find this person that this witness described, and then you say yeah. Well, I know that guy I've dealt with that guy before how much of it in vantage's in this case was it to already have some sort of relationship and again we talk about how you treat everybody the same, so it really works well for you. How important was that in moving this case for very quickly at some some point, yeah that that's a huge advantage, eight you know police officers or or the you can tell the ones that are going to be pretty

because you're immersed in their community. If you have a really good patrol officer, a detective can go to that, after he'll. You know: hey, I'm looking for whatever you give somebody a nickname and they can tell everything about that person where they last all the same with investigations. You know you, you have a relationship with your community and some of the the suspect in some of the witnesses and and and definitely the the the good citizens, because when something like this happens, it's not foreign to you, you can. You can all. Most of us, the o, yeah, ok, yeah, and now it makes sense to me because you know that or do you know the type of things that they do? You also can figure out of them to tell you what you need to know, and so a knowledge of of your community and who you're dealing with is is always the the biggest advantage to

not only stopped it. Actually, I always thought that, once you know your terrain in your community, then you're not going to have too many problems navigating it. But if you're detached- and you know you kind of relying on just crime scene investigation or hopes or dreams, it doesn't work. You know, murders a very personal crime and with that to investigate it, you have to be a very personal person and you have to be able to get out and talk to people, don't understand people and all the way things work in your community. I've always thought that the biggest. If that is that a police officer had- and you know whether it's firearms training drive and whatever else they tried to do is- is communication, if you're not able to communicate, then you're not going to be very successful, so he gave me a police officer that was very good at communicating or interacting with people and and understand people.

He should have a very good police officers, somebody that can do all the mechanic you know when they can grab fingerprints or or whatever, not necessarily as value with somebody that can communicate this person to come. Alias this, then and then you had a relationship with them. The thing that really isn't explained here, maybe again, I'm just curious on this it and again to explain how you develop relationships other than you know, treating people as a human. Being I mean that's would be obvious, I would say, but what is it that does, because this is crucial and again, I won't give up. I won't give this away for the viewers, but when you talk about this person that you find through this alias This guy obviously has been in the system and and so he's not a lily white character here so, but how does he How do you manage? What is it that you are able to present to him the

he can so easily give up this person? What is in in terms of street cred? The you have that I just don't seem to understand, which is unique. I think about you. What is it that not so easily, because there's no reward for this guy that is almost seems like this guy's got some other level of of conscience. That sometimes you just really don't see. I think it's it's it's all about self preservation. Actually in and the reputation, I guess for or the way that I will cases you know after years, people kinda kinda, understand that you know what's gonna happen, you know if, if you're, not, if you're not going to close the case, you're not good because in cases of people expect

but if people know that you're going to close the case in most people jump on board, but self preservation is probably best. Most people will give up anything or any body if they think they're in jeopardy, and it is easy to the kind of pick that out. You know if you, if you work in the Everything you know run into people like this guy in particular, and you know they have minor charges, they're always in and out of trouble. They know, that you're relentless. So if you go ask him a question or you want to know something that they don't want. Your attention focused on them is probably probably the way to describe it, I don't know that if they can do with the the actual police officer, you know it and you know our our skilled. I think it's probably more of our reputation or the reputation you develop and that person desired

to keep themselves. You know below the radar self preservation. You know that the there's that old adage, you know, there's no honor among thieves and absolutely true. Yeah. All sometimes it can be every man for themselves. Were you surprised, I mean obviously, all of throughout this investigation. You have your assumptions and theories on terms, a motive, the why the more the wine list to really not at you at at times when it can't be solved so along the way, I'm sure that's what that's what you're thinking of assuming thinking ahead theorizing overall, which is a surprise to you for this. How much of a surprise was this? In the end, it turned

why well yeah it was in a you know. I think the the knowing question when you, when you were cases initially that the first thing that comes to mind is why yeah, but I think the the the the the reason for the question initially is different, because one a lot because you want to make this up, you can solve the case, but that that question. Why developed as the case continues? You know when you start to get more leads and and more evidence thing you want to know. Why would they go to that extreme and then we finally get to the end of the case. You you the the life changes. Why did this happen? You know it it it. I think that question starts, but I think it kind of a towards over the course of the investigation. It was a different me. You know

it had a primal at first, you know well, why did this happen? So you can piece it together and then you know the next day and then the next step and then finally, at the end you come to this. The big question in you know, I think was probably more important. Is that you know they came to the end of my career. I look at all the case. Why did that happen at all? So it I don't know if the question ever goes away. I think it just gets more intense yeah. Are you talking

in this particular case, and I mean I think this is the kind of cliche you don't just don't throw around, but you talk about evil in the devil and you and you've had interaction with this guy before so. What was it most about this person in terms of yeah? What was most about this person that separated him from all these other people and many of the people, even in homicides that you interacted with over the years? Well, I think that v different types of suspects and some people have the ability to actually have some level of compassion for another person and there people that are just relentlessly. Evil I mean they, they inflict injury and harm on people, yes,

because their stuff in there I I I I can't even begin to to assume you know whatever psychological state they may be into or or anything that would actually motivate something that can be so gruesome. But what I can say is that I believe that, in the wake of all personal observation, is that he'll he'll spiritually some people just a one thing I don't know necessarily that that person or or just how they lost her weight. But I guess maybe you can draw that conclude. If you know I guess it's individually, can you know some someone looking at it a psychologist a draw one conclusion or somebody as a sociologist may draw another. You know,

but it was a whole life or something, but you know just the basics: Bristol Connecticut yeah. I know that the there been examples in the scripture where people seem to be what they'd walk away for whatever reason and and that, so that's just personally my opinion is that it's not something to to to say that you know someone may be in another area. Disagree with this, but I think my my or have that ability and in that respect, so we are born what I believe interesting to you include that in this television series as well and in this this, when you did get the call about this particular case, you were actually at that place. The you're talking about the church yeah. I was that you know and that yeah

this is too? I am an. I don't believe that you know all the things that have happened. You know my mother being murdered my brother one person all these other things. That I see around me daily. You know it's, it's never a question of you know. You know what else happened. Why did I survive in the world? That's because that's that's God's grace and whatever reason you know that what I would chose to do there. Hence the name of the of the program, and I I think that it's all for the greater good. I think that my coverage was to give someone else covering their covers, gets a little comfort and I think when all people that actually concern themselves or care about people all the good people get together, then they, you know people start to dissipate, but when every band kinda believed was right in his own heart, then

yeah? We all. We all know the conclusion of that, but yeah it's very important and I had a so I I do that. Probably in every show interview or aspect of my life, because I I do recognize degrees in the in the in the mercy and whatever. Whatever reason I don't find myself ever in a position to judge anyone for what they do. I just the act. You know what it is. This got committed a very evil. You know, I don't know that that puts me in a position to judge him as a person because it doesn't, but it certainly speak to yeah the evil forces of behavior. That that that is completely in love with you talk about your bra there. If you don't mind in a seat, if you you talk about your brother being convicted of murder, and I hear of your attitude towards not judging a person but judging the crime. How important is

your attitude toward your brother in that relationship that you do have to the work that you do and have done and in the house as a homicide. Detective and now, with this work, telling the stories of your career to a bigger audience yeah, I think. Actually, I think that my brothers conviction for for murder is probably what may be recognized that even more I think it amplified in the fact that you know that that is nothing but in in my opinion, that's that's because Greece thing- and you know this could be anybody you know in, and it doesn't put in a position where you know most people can look at someone and say: ok, you know that persons of LOS are there this that and the other but

so it kind of changes. Your perception on that and for me it does. You know I see that evil acts, but at the same time I can see the at some point. They were somebody else's brother or sister or whomever they were so. I think the fact that I was able to experience it first hand. I don't easily dismiss a person, I can absolutely we totally against what eh,

active safety matter, whatever crime they've committed. But I don't know that I can do that with that person Lee, because I don't think it was in a position to judge it like that, and you really don't know as a homicide detective, I think, go for police officer, anybody that and in a position like that, I think we kind of lose it when people think they can't. You know you can't really judge people whatever. I think you you, you you just the act and and whatever happens in my brother's case, you know what my brother's crimes were. He's gonna be cause for. You know to be able to for me to be able to the look at and a brother. I can absolutely do that, but at the same time I have to also take into consideration that out with a very people back, so you know it's about

today is yeah. Truly believe that that's the that's the teacher, you know, that's a that's a spiritual maturity that you you arrive at. You know you have all the things that happen in your life and when you get to to a certain point, it all comes to a to a hit and and and give you more directed me it where you look at a crime victim, and you look at a person who committed a crime or you look at people who are watching all this happen and you come to the same conclusion. You know all these people are people and when you decide that you can kind of judge who you know, the type of person that would be a crime victim who is with versus the pride is, is when you get a line and you'll see a bunch of chaos at that point before you got to this point in maturity and acceptance.

You were three years old when your mother was murdered. How did you reconcile that? We didn't talk about how that happened or who that was that murdered her? How did you without doing that? How did you reconcile this and be able to. Not that there is such a thing as closure are getting over. But how did you move forward? How did you reconcile the murder of your mother. Well, I think, I'm as I learn more about the story. I realized that that all the things that had happened to my mother or actually for the greater good you know if, in my beliefs, I I think that the scriptures right on point God talks about before he he formed you in your mother's womb. He knew you were you know what you're going to do and I think, as I grew, it was a perfect balance. You know my mother was murdered about

the time. I didn't have a whole lot of memory of it, but I saw the effect of everyone else around her, including my grandparents, my grandmother morning. My grandfathers concerns that I saw how it affect my brother with the the angry he had towards the the man who killed her mother and I got what what other metal actually killed her mother and and had a conversation with him in one and interrogated him. Yet I realize that yeah I I think I was is it doesn't happen overnight. You know I was probably it's about thirty. I realize that you know the the forgiveness in in, in whatever I had to do was all in me and and if I didn't, I would probably internalize things like my brother or go through the grief that my grandmother went through and all that translates into healing or reconciliation that I was able to get to someone else. So when I go out for her crime, I could

I could bring that to to the surviving victims in any, sometimes even the people of it, and they in turn can give to someone else that it kind of has a chain reaction. No, not none of that happened overnight. You know because it is pretty confuse and growing up and wondering why. But, as I got deep, into. I realize that you know some of these things happen and like I it it's not a matter of. Why did they happen to do what what's my purpose. Fortunately, for me I was blessed enough to figure out be able to lock in in in in the in the. U you the reward, it is the a peak thank you know and- and I think that's what everybody the as long as it's before are of the mindset where they they actually want to help other people with it, and so I think it is you'll. You'll see a lot more about yeah. Getting back to this

First episode very interesting that you have these the separate elements where you are going to this very crucial interview with the person that you think is among the worst you've ever seen, you're getting to that point and at the same time we have again. We talked about Troy, the guy that worked in the film industry, and he will give this a little bit away. At least he recovers, so he doesn't die. He recovers, so you have the back and forth between this interview and what you going to gain from it? You have dna evidence. You have fingerprint evidence. You have now the main witness to to know more of the. Why so? No more of the! Why so very interesting developments back and forth, back and forth in this ongoing mystery leads.

Again prostitutes from people that you already know and have encountered and have significant police records, this is an incredible unfolding and all the people again to separate elements. These people come together with you and your partner detective Mitchell to be able to solve this case in the other episodes. You have ten episodes this season. I assume there were ten episodes last season. Just tell us a little bit about some of the upcoming cases that you will be covering just sort, The the general brief description of some of those cases that you'll be covering in this season of murder chose me: yeah they're, a you're you're right there enough, so they were kind of those last season, and you know the the

cases are vastly different in different areas that that kind of stuck out to me. You know cases of domestic violence cases crimes that were committed against people for their sex orientation or preference or or yeah cases that are or the soon to be drug cases or or you know, the presumption of of all sorts of different things, and I think most of the cases that work you know I I look for that. That is that this separates each case and I I I think, the upcoming season. We will kind of illustrate that pretty well, that you know police and and and saw the homicide. This can can actually individualize people, and I think, when you know everything is painted with a broad brush, then you don't get that into the individual aspect of it and I think that it's absolutely necessary, especially crimes like this

yeah. It is a very personal crime you know is. It affects so many different people, but it affects so many of people on different levels and it absolutely affects the people that are closest to the people that are that are killed and my my my my hope was who was to bring you know that story. You know that particular story that person's story to life rather than you know. We have this type of crime, that type of crime, and I think, if you yeah and and yeah like I said I I I am glad they face they've done such a great job with it, because I mean right off the top you you recognize the things that I would you know do their people recognize immediately. So I think that the the goal of the you talk about that you're very happy with that and at the very, very sensitive and. You know sensitive treatment of everybody involved in this, and you can see that that's not sensationalize

in any way. It's very respectful, maybe can tell us just above the people that you worked with on this to make the bring this, because it is a very, very good series. So maybe could just tell us a little bit about that and working on this and your actual participation, how we can see just from the the series itself you're involving the tell us

about your hands on participation in this production. Yeah movie production company due credit payment. They were very, very, very good and and and allowing me to to express me and what my thoughts were about cases and- and I think that the reason why you you don't see a lot of sensationalism and it's very heavily weighted towards the victims and respect for for them and like flies investigation discovery is phenomenal. In doing that, can you tell the stories and allowing that to go for, and I think I probably couldn't ask for a better company or people in that production company in networks to produce it the actor who plays me. It was just phenomenal. I mean that he and I were able to connect

and when we met, if you know there are so many similarities to somebody personality traits that we we share. In fact, you know we now yeah, but it was just working became friends, though you know the the the transition for him or him just hanging out We got a nose, the city of the way, I think, of the way. The way I would react to something in it and it gets better. You know from from the first year we met into now. It may get almost predict what I would say one of the things. So I think it was the perfect storm that made everything work out. Yes, right and of course, I Obviously, the the families that were involved, I maintain relationships with most of the crime, victims and families. You almost a point where you know actually we're friends. So knowing their wishes and being able to convey them, I think it's worked out great. You talk about the first season and you alluded to that. You've kept in touch with the family

and obviously we know from the general audience it's a it's a hit. So there is that acceptance. And you say, that the translation and lots of people complain about taking their project their product and then not being completely satisfied with the end result which you, instead of talk about it in the in the opposite. Basically that you're ecstatic about this, and I don't blame you what is been the reaction from those people involved and I think that's what you would you know, you'd want to know what their specific reaction is to an episode did you get anyone's response? Tell us about that experience. If any yeah I used to get responsive, because I I try to talk with most people before and during production other. So yeah. I can kind of see their wishes. I think the the thing the I think the most important thing is that you know

you know. These aren't really actually my stories in there. So so, if, if you decide you want to it it to what you want to be at I wanted to be. I think, that's where you come to a problem, and you know with this particular project. You know everybody is out of respect for the other person's wishes and thought, and you know, and at the end of the day, the the the big concern is: is the community of the family and yeah for that of of grateful. You know that and that's the thing to be ecstatic about the fact that I you can. You can tell stories in kind of a more alive if there's someone that was, you know otherwise forgotten for such a crime. You know an entire world. That knows about probably the most incredible thing is somebody from across the world Brandon Morning, with someone from Shreveport, ask probably the best villain ever

yeah you're right on aesthetic about that, and I think it's probably because it's more about the situation and people. Got a human. I did each other understand each other's pain and grief in the US. In my opinion, I think that's what makes it work. It's interesting too. Isn't it having been a homicide detective and looking at this, the incredible interest in true crime, and some people might think that that's an nice this thing. But of course we know that it's a very, very positive thing. This renewed interest in true crime, isn't it. Yeah, it is- and I think that's probably something that was going to happen. I mean if you know you know, society goes into a decline and people were getting hurt and people are almost becoming desensitized in certain crimes. I think is really important that we re engage and the fascination with true crime. You know, even if his balls are involved,

I think people are are drawn to it because they can, you know, share in in the story the fears and pain yeah. I think that's probably the best part of it. I don't. I don't know that. There's a you know back in it, and people say that the people greet. I think it's probably just the opposite. It's a lot of stuff yeah get it here, at least that's what what I'm seeing in And I get a lot of that from the response. I the people that that message or send messages in from all over the world. It's the same exact thing, and that is that's amazing, masons yeah

it is an amazing series. It's very well done incredibly respectful and sensitive and very exciting, and I gotta say it incredible production very well done. I want to thank you very much detective rod Delmarie for coming on. We have to mention- maybe you can tell the audience when it premieres tell us that for our audiences you part yeah second season, premieres April. Fourth, at nine hundred pm central ten e on investigation discovery vid temp. Well I want to thank you very much detective rod. Delmarie for coming on and talking about murder chose me. I look forward to the episodes in all the episodes of season and going back into season one and see what I missed. So. Thank you very much and you have a good.

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