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A simple savings as you are now listening to true murder, the most shocking killers in true crime, history and the authors that have written about them. Gacy Bundy Dahmer, the night stalker d t k. every week. Another fascinating author talking to both the most shocking and infamous killers. True crime, history, true murder, with your host journalist and author dan, as if asking the good evening Much is known about american and european serial killers Did you know that more than one hundred and fifty homicidal maniacs have played the former?

But wait union during the last one hundred years, nicknamed the night creature, the urals, strangler or the ballast. he ripper in their native motherland. These sex themes of committed some of the most in a series of murders in the history of modern criminology. This book follows the stories of twenty five maniacs unable to control their dark fantasies. They savagely tortured, strangled, stabbed undefiled their victims in unspeakable ways illustrated with more than two hundred photographs on earth from the sea. red archives, retired police, colonels and forensic psychiatry, russian serial killers volume, one maniacs takes you wanna, true crime journey from the suburbs of moscow to the frozen wastelands of siberia. The book there were featuring, the feeding is

Russian serial killers volume, one maniacs with my special guest author and publisher, Nikko Cloe, welcome back to the programme, and thank you so much for this interview. Nikko close to thank you for having again, thank you so much and congratulations on this extraordinary collection of serial killers right away. Let spoke to how you came to this idea: the oars tens of this idea and the origins of this book in two thousand and six I was action by a russian journalist, was were working for a way to cry a magazine in russia will mean a criminal law which means the criminal world and three wanted to interview before the readers you went really well and after that I

Well, I've been intrigued by stories of russian serial killers for years before that, and I had read, of course about the trade she could shilo the rest of reaper, but also about a few others, like the chessboard killer, all the hippopotamus, some of the some of those nicknames or that we have read about in the west, but sometimes, You know the stories that we had never heard about, and the crazy thing is when I mention my interest in russian circulars, these journeys sent me a pdf with over one hundred names with photographs. twas lists of all the russian soldiers that she had listed. He himself was injured, ass? You need publishing something in russian about it, but he said that he did have the time- and you told me that depression-

This would not be interested in such a book. I was quite surprised because, of course, as a true pregnant but you know I'm always looking for new stories and I want to know the more. You know that you can t go stories, one of the highest sure territories, read, write and just the fact of knowing that there were like more than ninety nine heaters retainers. When history was mind, blowing and I had this eastern someone, my comp for years back those days I was working for french publishing company anywhere, but my my boss was much interested in the discharge of cases and needs sure last year, when I made my own publishing company in English whither, be shutters that I've decided to dig up this video file, untrue, stop doing so

gee preserve the russian websites, mostly so most of them were written in several areas. friend worries frenzied russian, we'll have a lot of be finding the right websites and, what's very Interesting. Is that so that there is a lot of the russian websites which cover those cases like we haven't west, so I was able to find that your photographs that whenever published in the west before and most important for me was to find that article, cause I'm biographies of each of those cures, and this is how this book came to life. Basically, you this is a volume one and you plan to have three volumes

I'll tell us why that is, and the other thing is that you say that there is one thing shared by all the killers featured in that in this book, and what is that? One thing that these killers all share? Well, probably, do nothing that day all share one of the things that they all shows, that must have them there for three year unknown in the west, except for ticket. You know and a few others, but for me the important was to actually give life to the stories, because the stories I think that they deserve to be they deserve to be available to a large audience and they deserve to be you know. Each story is totally different from the other, but at the same time- can. I should see similar moors ah I don't know serious. Some of them here is the equivalent in the west and that's what, I reaffirm fascinating we d stories,

I told you in these key. I find that I had. There were more than one of your names and I had to narrow down for the purpose of a single vote went to five because I didn't want those books to be catalogs when shot buyers. For me, this is totally meaningless useless. I wanted to devil of each story, and each story did at least deserved at least three or four pages. Some of the stories are there: they cover more than twenty pages in the book and soon realise, of course, that a green you know full well. choosing, one single working for the year, one thousand pages book saw it is a true worth rigid in three volumes. as for your knees, focusing on what the Russians called maniacs is the word that they have for this. It's fraud for sexual predators, the second volume we'd be obtainable soldier,

a list of more than twenty cannibals in russia was most of them soon, so that an impressive number- yes, of course, deserts rickety or whether there are so many others that we have never heard of in the west. And this is the story tat I work your way now and the third book will be focused on what they calling me in russia g exterminate tourism and for damage all would kill victims route. deserve to be kill because, for example, their sexual laurie, location or because of their religion, their necessity. or in a surprisingly those are the ones who have the biggest body count swell and yes eating in criminal, for example, the chessboard Chiba differently belongs to the category of exterminators.

so there will be three volumes under the first volume, the debate that we had put him out now and that day every ease the two months ago, focusing on sex maniacs and the, as you have seen, while reading the book, he that does does a lot of different power failures. The struggle books that are shown by these hitters, whether it be fed fetishism for feeding. Bondage asset am deserve a wide spectrum of grievances, and I asked this three extremely entreat, you say that the one thing that is shared by all these killers, as well featured in this book, is their obsession for cruelty Oh yes, yes, given that let's go and go through the list of the twenty five killer, starting with boris goose, a calf, the then you call the student hunter a name that kills and also the number of kills pardon me and the fact that the dates that they

their murderous rain, occurred for started. Do boorish goosequill the student, andrew joining the let's, nay persistency, general six women. Then there is nickolay, assess the cough deliberate. He made twelve, which seems inner nineteen. Seventy five in the space of a year we have, let me have a room here- forgive my accents, of course in the russian should feel. Well, holly nature. To be boy, any was called the alexander of river. We, I've andrey yefimitch, shooter. women in red, so he had this specific fish with a woman. to addressing the collar red cheap. nine women in the lead laid seventies. It was also a kill, the kind I'd killer, itches quiet Interesting is an urgent need, name, one of my favorites in the books in terms

story telling in the sheer body chance midnight she, nineteen twelve in the late agencies, third area, coffee but ass. She carried her also need me the hippopotamus because of its size, chatterers, probably the most graphic pictures in the book. Yes, then, we have the cemetery maniac surrogates, who can have a killed during the nineties. We have an authority nagy year for very interesting won the Hugo chavez, torture, He was obsessed with an actress and he killed women who looked like her, and he committed a massacre inside a train eat them. The bodies from the moving train, the toilet, was a horrible sight. We have igor shutting that the evil period of cuffed shift heat with four kills was, working military grounds he was kidding were neither regrows. We, then I've got to shovel,

in ST petersburg. The sadistic male trustee should be nine victims, an interesting case or phone. After this we have Sergei she bit of the vast chicken tito. Let me just tell you about all those chickens look copied as we possess quite interesting, a right after the to get you to a case was covered by the media he's. There was a lot of love copycats in russia, and each were a nickname. The five somebody's day they were getting The vast creature, they were key, they were in the vast. She should continue to set a gauge of killed for his open forging meetings with the late nineteenth for five years after the last reach him of under age. You get you know we're here. We are one of the most interesting cases in the book. In my opinion, I thought a sleeve, also known as the hundred torturer, with seven

between nineteen sixty four and nine in eighty five. After this, we moving to Vladimir more had king another. She can see law or copycats nicknamed of check it. You know we'd. Ninety, ninety, ninety five, my man, as in the space of one year, didn't we have body so every year across the night preachers the night creature he was sitting in the late server cities and watching. The sitting will aim is that he had a very sweet, ammo, true, richer mirrors. You would break and enter into homes and kill the persons while they were sleeping, is a very interesting case, so it was not called as the knights talk by the the tonight it sure is also is really interesting than we ever thought. He would kin what he had enough. Maniacs nine has been

in nineteen sixty eight and nineteen, seventy three and reggie Miller was of the boy and tour five years between seventy four. Seventy five vladimir vineyard, chef's key to rio came from. The first is named chief thirty, eight, ninety fetched nine and he killed eighth a now. He was you know, not treaty older than veterans of its nature. One of the youngest still occurs in russia. Then we have new. Could I feel of the control? Now? Yes, triangular, seven killing he ate his. We have visited woolidge bisque monster. He was a doktor which of these regions in nineteen. Eighty four nike, nay, he fixed very interesting keynes. Two and now it's time to talk about the rushes. Most prolific syracuse

Seventy eight ratings authority, crazier body count yes, yeah he killed them between ninety ninety two and two thousand and ten- we his name- is Mihail. Uclaf was also known, it's the werewolf of Siberia or the angus maniac. He was a policeman, so it was easy for him to actually leave no trace, no crew whatsoever. This is why he took so many people. Then we haven't had extended visit of the night demon. All I quit net stuff. the ballast she carried her ten lovey kings in between men. She won immensely to one of the most. trusting no forget fashion pavlov had many also known as the butt of cheap, maniac perky seven victims it tween night.

Eighteen, two thousand and five saw nearly twenty five years without being arrested. He would also was a policeman. There is For those. Also in this chapter we are near the end with junior well known, net profits maniacs, you probably have heard of them Oh, yes daddy, don't you were extremely refuge, nuff video feeling themselves for their work. In your homeless person with mammals lives. This was the second you could find those videos you know websites such as a reason not come back in those days there. They can't print see one of those people in the space of two months in two thousand seven incredible yes soluble in travel for that's not the last case in the book. The last case is actually backyard much a cruel, also known as the was back

you know another really interesting case he was then the maniac in white gloves because he would always wear white gloves. Welcome you to give me crimes. So yes, this is the least of the twenty five years that our future in this book, most of those clues almost of this case, a guy in a treaty by dozens of photos. I tried to read the definitive book on those is it has never been done before and I wanted you did this series of work to be done. In ordeal the reference on the subject before we start going and civically exploring the specifics of some of these other, but some of these crimes from these killers? There is a quite interesting as a case study themselves. You explain to, and you touched on it in terms of the government and the police, not acting like we had seen the gold

nature of serial killers treated in america with the media all a frenzy. So as you right in the book legs, in the situation in russia. In terms of the politics and the media and their attitude towards admitting that there was a problem, and there were serial killers in russia. So often the case that they are doing is books were committed before nineteen. Eighty nine. As you know, in eighteen, eighty nine was the date when the soviet empire collapsed and It was also the year when the price of urge that you know became true, receive international all coverage. What was happening during the soviet period that there was a lot of crimes, of course, and what surprising that there was as many crimes Cyril but those in the EU s assad than in america. At the same time, in the saddle in the sixties,

there's even similar changing the thirties in russia, but those crimes were deliberately not talked about when the police I know that they had zero children, the losing their province or local town, they would alert the higher authorities, but they would not communicate to the press all those cases name that just would not be covered, the national press at all. You must understand that crime in general, when you're murder, of course, were considered as typically western evils Those kind of things were not supposed to happen in the soviet soviet republic. Thought when a case in planes murders and sex murders was investigated by the local police. They would first of all they would.

tried to find as soon as possible, a possible suspects torture. The suspect and chile roots confess to the crimes If it was nowhere near the crime scenes and then they would say, ok, we ve got. You know suspect that the person was guilty he he was sent to prison and usually killed before he would even go on trial, and they would try to just you know, cover the case and it only when local people would find out that there would be other regions in the community that there was actually not called the local press because they do not if you don't trust them anymore. So they would try to alert the higher instances that the people at the the soviet party room were. You know above somebody's bureaucracy of the local town right. So this is why those crimes they were just put under carpets the way they were locked inside a cupboard there were skeletons in the closet, basically have the rest,

the regime and when the soviet union collapsed, join east began to have access to police archives and they found out that. Third, there was lot of cases that they had never heard about before? began to cover those cases and his when they began to publish. prime magazine detective magazines, which most of them were created in the nineties, and they would cover those cases. But at the same time it was not. You still was considered as something that was typically western america words themselves. Curator was never used when In those cases they would talk about maniacs. Does the weather delight window

describing those kind of cases she got tito. Of course it was. It was impossible to to cover the case either case I mean so. This is when they actually began to talk about to cover the cases when it was impossible to hide anymore. this is when did they covered such cases as the chessboard killer or your papa timers, because there were so many victims that it was just impossible to hide. What's fascinating in this book, too, is that I've read numerous accounts: the police overreach overstepping and using the third degree beef. Or miranda a warnings, legislation enemy, Erika oil. Why this book is rife with wrongful conviction by virtue of wrongful can

fashions by virtue of outright torture and beatings of suspects. Yes, report is returning to get its worth and they would even pay candidates inside the prisons to actually a kill suspects for them. So that there would be no trial. It was easier for german. This was their way to hide their failure as an investigation team. So, yes, it was really hard times for example, when we are talking about murders in the gay community, of course they would target People were considered by the state as enemies of this day because of their sexual orientation. There were some innocent people, he got up in jail. What she'll, because there were wrongly accused the each society idea about that? That's never do. But once used to happen now, those days under the soviet republic, let users as an opportunity,

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oh killers? Legendary ones it? We are we caught. We guard the golden age of cereal, killing these russian serial killer that counterparts have em bizarre, an extra ordinary parallels with some of the most famous and the serial killers in american and world to crime history. So let's go through just a few of those, but I want to talk about anatoly slip and whose nickname is the honoured torturer or the counselor ripper stock alone. I it. It is one of the most bizarre cases he he featured in the book desert Together they had never heard about. I had heard rumours about A russian searchers was filming snuff movies. I've never had a name before, and it's only when I

the kids they realized. This was the one. This was actually the direction: the searchers war. I shouldn't filming his own murders, the craziest thing about it. Is that to happen in the sixties, so there is a little bit we asked to cover eases the thing that sparked his fantasy life, because it really interesting. So let me get by the book for these specific details. You write that in nineteen sixty one while he was in the far east, he witnessed an accidental death of a man who crashes motorbike and he had hit. Several teams with motorcycle and injured one, and one died right on the spot. Tell us what he experienced exactly four when this, fanny was sexually around forty four will be re sex life, she later recalled the accident. He said the boy had experienced convulsions in his death throes, as the smell of

gasoline and fire period year. What was it's a really specific of the about the boy that she had seen die before that this boy was in your voice, couch urine, for russia, while the soviet union further its own system of a boy scouts, and there had a specific uniformly the tie and urge special shrews and, when stiff could become another adult managed to find a job use club one of the local call chapters of the boys doubts have. This is when we decided to feel some of these bodies. Thing reno months man's war, so there were little short films there. You told them through basically player the german. I invaders other kids,

it would play the russian that there, the russian enemies- and I sometimes he would stay executions which she's quite concerning our knowing that those kids were. Some of them were fourteen fifteen the younger than that, and you would actually feel a noose around the neck. Staging fact. Executions would feel under, but soon this was not afraid because he wants to relieve this very first incident. For that Heather witness saw you would think them one by one and tell them to react those execution sings, except that this time he would actually strangled them the rule drowned the more children with ropes and several instruments. All this was shot, ancestry mean amateur,

When the prettiest actually arrest, you name, they found those reels, and if I don't that he'll kill, I will tell you the exact now where he had killed. Seven young boys between nineteen sixty four and nineteen eighty five toward what's the property to the most terrifying thing. His murder case is that you actually find photographs from the rust hills of those. there's, no funds online. I even heard of people were seen. Those films of course day that's disappeared from teaches. You have to watch in those films. Sure was there extremely dense, but just as some of those till you get a shriek still find them if cole was arrested and they found many uniforms zine. The inside of the youth club is definitely a a very bizarre case, not only because of the fact that he had this very specific fantasy life

Also, the fact that I was using the system and its position as a councillor of the boy scouts worries waiting the trees on fancies you up and yes, that, that's what really intriguing me the case. It's interesting that he conducts these films and gets these kids, but a noose around the neck and a lot of em. You right, but most of them have sums What about nijio from the experience I ve been really know what exactly happened in any masturbates over them: films them in all kinds of bizarre This is exactly you say that this occurred for twenty two years. He film forty three boys, but so he killed only seven, but there was you say that that urged that he had to re live that experience with the accident. and so then he would killed and dismembered these young boys and

or gasoline on the remains and light them on fire to relieve the fatal car accident he had witnessed? And that's when used, you write when again is always a cliche, the hardened detective, but when these actually saw the films that sk, I they made of extraordinary statement in your book, you quote that their wives no and in fact what he said was there was no horror movie. Author could come anywhere near what he had seen and what he had experienced is watching watching, watching or storms put on the fact that he committed almost chris was so long and the fact that his fantasy life was so specific. You saw at the scene which shoes would cut their shoes in the house because of this car accident that he had witnessed. He had seen blood splattering the shoes he wanted to recreate this image of blood

and shiny shoes. It was extremely specific in terms of psychiatry. Psychology said it's a very unique case, very unique qaeda. It reminded me. I can't have too many me of jerry Brutus that foot fetish part, but yet the fact that the detective word it was so shocked by the videos themselves, a he tells Europe yeah. You say that too, that they discovered a at the killer diary and where he talks about trying to attempt to try to control the urges, but that they overcame him and but he did say about the recordings that he made. He said he didn't want people to see the video tapes. He said the recording is disgraceful for the human race. He says they can't be washed away or forgotten. Any said, I'm scared

that other people will watch it. So I gave him meds and some incredible kind of insight to his own mania. He's even said that, if you ever watched us don't shoot ready we the absolute year as it is symphony, was reminding them that he was that they were actually arresting her the future of the city council, so he fear was is the holding on to his position as you as a respectable member of the the soviet party, which is reminiscent of virtue cathedral was also a prominent member of the soviet bodies. At the same time, does this fact of being discovered, but he was still clenching on his position as a respect men over the community, is amazing. You mentioned tickets, hello and an ad that comes up in this story as well as because very much reminiscent of the fictitious move the silence of the lambs and clearer starling. As you write that he was asked this kid,

was ass for his cooperation and his until to help police in their investigation of andrei chick, Attila, very, very interesting, he was visiting a urge investigators out the case there were hoping that you would help them understand. Of psychology of urged. Consider at what he gave them could not be used to for the actual invest the asian. Yes, yes, it was was user said yes, yes, let's talk about two and discuss sir sergei tack, mispronouncing his name and ass. He thought, the process, namely the buffalo garage maniac, and you talk about in this case background. As you of all of these perpetrators. The one thing I found- that's almost common thread through almost twenty five stories- is that many the perpetrators. In the beginning, whenever young there were sickly, they were timid, their anti social or answer

trouble or bullied that kind of betrayal of of almost all of these killers seemed to be that they were in that unenviable. The situation position when they were young. Yes, yes, cash was also a victim of a wedding because I was physically weak. He had to undergo treatment that as your psychiatrist, because of its saw a engage weightlifting getting some my for trying to gain some confidence, he really was going to sports, but shadows watching. Raise waded through Bruce any scheme and so he chose instead to dynamic,

so he tried, he eventually became a police officer and even the investigating his own prime. So that's one of the crazy things about those kind of cases yeah. He was extremely pretty prolific use your theory. Thirty seven victims. You say to that. He he started off working for the police, but of course he gravitated towards being offered sick expert which helped them in all his investigations and helped him compete with fellow, his fellow colleagues policeman did I had accepted top secret materials and he would read them all the riddle lucchese would try to would try to find out about how criminals usually get arrested. He you know improve his technique, is murder techniques you write to that

did he was perpetrating and he had left a gray hair on one of his other thirteen year old victim, but the police ignored that evidence and framed and innocent purse They didn't even have gray hair. You write and again and what we mentioned already about how that confession came about through a beating and so despite them, having thinking they have this perpetrator behind bars. The killings continue, didn't exactly and dignity written you spent to kill his own daughter. This way confessed can imagine police officers trading threatening to it kill. Members of your family is already spent, was arrived and yet not other option than to to confess so yes to this kind of case, there need to be clear about what was going on backing in those days in russia concerning this type of crime. You write it. This man was destroyed from being accused of this

murder of his daughter and and obviously the murder of his daughter contributed to this in a committed suicide in his cell and then, after that, the villagers weren't still satisfied. They release the anger on this persons will wife and centre I was on fire numerous times and she locked their job and lost her career, and so again there was still he continued killing and nobody. making the connection that this perpetrator was on the loose, as you say, for many editions in terms of the media not being informed the police, not wanting to admit and and certainly any politician, not wanting to admit that there was anything awry on then we never and needs their fame because it was very year at each organization, There was always the fear of any gaps in jail, because you were back but investigator basic This is why do they tried to frame so many people for those

yes, you write that over ten people were accused and convicted wrongfully accuse and set a present of ten people in it. As his garden, and, as you write, that not one policeman was ever reprimanded her boss job as a result, exactly because that would be bad press for for the system those countries in the disparity systems was or saw. It was always a case of sacrifice The june individuals for the sake of the parties, This is why today, even though they knew that they had the brings us back, then we do everything through It's in jail all killed before their trial, so that they would think that the case would become and even if the real killer was to kidding, then they would blame it on another cure and not admit that it was the same person committee.

Those crimes over and over again. This problem. God maniacs, like parallels to the most infamous cereal, killers in america dad to his this incredible story, he attends the fuel. and there's someone recognizes and from the last attack, where they stood, it had been swimming and he use it as an opportunity to detect his nine year old and she survived, and so soon after, because he was recognized and because he was foolish enough and an audacious enough to attend the funeral of his last victim. He was arrested and then you, as you write soon after as as many of these purpose raiders, almost all of them. They soon confess seamen They willingly and cooperate with the authorities may draw an accurate map of where his crimes occurred, but then you find out as we as you mentioned, what the motivation for all of this murder, not maybe

a primarily but quite a bit of the motivation for these murders was what concerning his colleagues. oh you want you to get even just korean and show them that was better than them wanted to prove them that by killing people it. Wouldn't he would. He was smart than then she's great, that's everywhere, where I interpret at the same time. That's what he's logic was he also compared himself to again chick Attila inside, just like chicken tello I'm a beast: I'm not a man, I'm a beast and then again very much like these infamous characters in the: u S, the story an end as well, because now read about this forum, the fantasy forum that these in girls and ukrainian girls and women, are interested in its called the world of maniacs. Tell us that was a fascinating when I found that these underground commuted,

I see that they have in russia because we have similar fins in europe and the. U s, of course, is what I breached ophelia, which is the attraction sexual attraction to criminalise cause when you can like that burned years ago. you're mirrors and a number of brooches that's right now when the world prison is something that I thought was on the west, or when I worked my research on this specific case. I found out that there was this community online community ensure with groupies. and to me not only your right criminals, but also trying to bury them, says some kind of weird competition between each other between who will be the first to marry this or that very famous crooners. That's in the news, it's extremely whether I in the case of a catch, it was a really younger women who was fifteen years younger than I am.

even posted selfies yourself on both sides of the fence, a worthy serial killer and She married him in jail even though I had the sun were with him. she's, even wider. Yes, absolutely the story, and had it shares some characteristics, but then really does outdo almost any other pro while I've heard of a serial killer, so very, very interesting, serial killer, one of the very, very fascinating ones that you have featured in this book. Let's talk about before I let you go the sergei riker like a later called, or the ballast sheikh Ripper from the eighth he operated to nineteen. Ninety three and his nickname was the hippopotamus because of his huge size or his size or his huge frame. He would killing the butch much like the chessboard killer. He would specially dog

if homosexuals heather nature towards gay people, because these insecurity and it would also target homeless people- there was a lot each nation involved in those crimes are a lot of hatred and I would compare his attacks to the the crimes of peaches, sir kyffin away because of the sheer brutality of the crimes and the A blunt trauma. Mutilation is a bowel movement. She can. Nineteen people notable thing about this killer is the fact that he had the c wrote a novel during the crime, a very strange sci, fi novel that was used your during his trial. for the inside you pay, but less. He was rich here then sell true life to prison. And he died in two thousand and seven. There were tuberculosis, like many russian prisoners, that it is this kind of disease, yet widespreading,

some prisons. You write it he, while he, I am that his he had a hatred for gaze from being raped in prison after he had obviously raped older women and in what he also did was in pale people on and used objects, so, like a ski poor, they use improvised items he would use and also which is not. There was typical with many the stories almost all of the stories was, that they would visit the crime scene again. These killers, and also many many of these, are a neck profiles and including this sergei here, the hippopotamus macro file, but also- and again he share this with a couple of perpetrators that attack I told her women and had a pair of failure about that, but also wouldn't contain himself. The just older women with attack young children and many of these killers are included in this book. And their heinous crimes, because many of these perpetrators

we didn't get into that. But there are many killers that concentrated on little girls. Didn't I I wouldn't go as far as to say that it was a typical of since you're a killer is better. Yes, there is a very high person. think of the molesters, the books, Yes, the fact that she was many easier for them to do this type of vulnerable reaching because they're the ones cautious their parents needn't water. Without getting candy from strangers. I think so, knowing my shape was a different kind of approach to crime. and do not exist for the general public, is because something that happened in the west, but that russia too, That's. Why so does offenders did to have such a highbury counts?

Well, you re too that there was no media to report, so they re much unlike america, aware, though, that at the papers were ablaze with with headlines and looking for stories and they were hungry for headlines. These crimes will report itself. The parents were really the blame too much if the two euro was outside to standing alone for ten or fifteen minutes, because they were warned, they didn't have any idea from the police nor the media. It was a different time with no social media so that no one, it was different times again. It was a different system, a different way of thinking, a different approach to investigation police investigation that you know of course, have access to modern dna research techniques. Fate was yours, fingerprinting, system, man that was about it so of course, some of them were aware of what was happening in the west, they just didn't have the resources dealer, the defense, maybe the motivation,

As I said before, there were bureaucrats. There were not really involved in those cases for especially when the region, were homeless, saw where gaze were sex workers. The breeze just didn't care. There was a fair amount, there's a few stories where the killer. As the insight and the psychologists and professionals that interview them after their trials or for the trials themselves, included that there was these specific, traumatic events like we had mansion. Where that person had a sexual experience watching a and acts in a car accident where someone died, but there was other things where a lot of these perpetrators did some service in the miller harry, so whatever horrors that dead, they witnessed in their service or or whatever whore, were allowed and condoned in the name of war. It seems that there is some

contribution, because the level of depravity and the and again the in his nature of these serial killers. That seems to be that there, to be some contribution totally the fight by the workers and being any theory, was a different. Your help for them, and now, as some of them even killed on military grounds, which reaches I'm unbelievable and also you have the other again. Many killers will gravitate towards the police, and so you have to prominent stories in this book for sure, certainly where policemen the perpetrators and at that really helps their murderous careers. Doesn't it therefore he. Definitely there were a couple of them this year in their own, homes and they had access were a lot of resources so that greece, no, the mistakes they're done on several of the crime scenes. So

They would try everything in their power to leave falls crews on the ground ins. This is why they so prolific because there they have It was in their in their hands to just raise their tracks. Certainly I ended and the conditions that we mention- and we talked about today- the political and then the societal situation contributed to these rights. Of terror are going on much longer the wrongful conviction and, in some cases, execution of people wrongfully convicted for these well crimes. It is shocking collection of stories that you have put together. I want to thank very much for coming on and talking about this book. Russians They'll killers volume, one maniacs- you were a guest on this- show true murder with your book gospel of blood for those that might want to take a look at other work and your publishing come.

Tell us how they might find out more information. So I ran a publishing company conceal pleasures. Publishing a high have perished more than a dozen books on those such topics as johnstone johns retreat jones, arbitrary ramirez eyes legions of the night so about his and then the people who used to visit him there is a book on is the second trick reports. jeffrey Dahmer society not all were psychiatry. Reports that were done before the trial right areas also book on these graceful. Once several people before It was murdered in prison. There donner there's a sure the books which similar Xander. Now, of course, I'm still working on the second and third volume of russian circular is which may become eventually

here is. Maybe I will focus on south american killer. Is one they're all ass? His danger interdiction was because it's also you a fascinating topics. Absolutely we look forward to this second volume of russian serial killers. Maniacs yeah, two seconds You should be about terrible some twenty stories or more animals, anybody's! Yes, looking forward to that, thank you so much nikko clue. Serial killers volume, one maniacs. Thank you, but for this interview- and you have a great evening- thank you that thank you to thank you good night, good night geico present day ever affirmations repay often me. We all feel with an abundance of joy We are filled with an abundance of joy, also in abundance of questions. Good thing going. Twenty four seven claims is tat wanted, questions and resolve claims quickly. Good thing I go has twenty four seven claim service? We also filled with an abundance of biscuits. We are also filled with that.

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