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Faulkner County Native Red Hall was a serial killer, who confess the murdering at least twenty four people. Most of his victims were motorists who pick them up as he hitchhiked across the United States. In the closing months of world WAR, two he beat his wife the death and went on a killing spree across the state. His signature smile lured is victims to their doom and even after his capture, he maintained a friendly manner being described by one lawman as a pleasant conversationalist author JANET. Jones chronicles his life for the first time and explores reasons why he became a concise, hitchhike killer. The book there were featuring the scene Here's the Arkansas, Hitchhike killer James Way, burn Red Hall with my special gas journalists and other Janni Nesbitt Jones welcome to the programme, and thank you very much for this interview. Janni no angel. I love you so much

Thank you so much for they serve the join me for this incredible tail. Let's talk about this is set in up Faulkner. County Arkansas baby can tell us a little bit about where this is an, and this is ironically, called Happy Valley. So tell us where Enola and Faulkner County Arkansas and to set the stage for we're talking about the whole family and the immigrant families tell us a little bit about their about settling in Happy Valley,

ok, I'm thought the county is just north of glass. Chaotic were the same capital. Will work is, and love is a part of thought. The carry a little town- and there were several communities around you Know- were back in the old days by making hundreds run of which was Happy Valley. It was just a small community like a lot of others and were mostly in agriculture. In tat situation said, the business was usually centred around agriculture, and I said something about the murmur in that area. In particular, centre have ceased to have an unusual number of people who live for a long time, even passed one hundred

anyway happy valley. Yes, it was one, though small communities. Sort of connected in our was a social hob. That's where the post office was, and the hall and Ingram families moved in that area in eighteen, hundreds and became neighbours, and then they became more as a neighbour when Samuel Jerome Hall married, evil, Lorraine problem they had to ensure one of whom was read. His name was James wavering, but everybody called him where, because he had beautiful red hair, worthy red hair.

And his father was a preacher and farmer who was a strict discipline area, especially with red. I dont know if it was because where was just Moreau cry for more and more of an explorer, I probably got into trouble more, but his father was unusually strict with him. He did physically verbally and psychologically abuse where- and this was put to me- by with Carson Conny, her name with car, now ha ha and embedded Collar Connie she made the MR we're party where so she told me a lot about the day childhood. She said TAT. Her father was very very nice red,

Other was not. She called an l b. I love creature with her eyes devil, and she saw one time how physically abuses Samuel was worth were, reaches Baden terribly, and sometimes it seemed to be over nothing. So red started wandered away from home we would wander around the pony and his father without driving back home and that made his father even matter at him and then ass, he could older. He started wondering even farther away around the state

Nobody is about twelve years old. He suffered a head injury. I must say it was a farming accidents, but some people wondered if his father had hit him a little too hard and was too often bad tat. It was a serious injury because red hey just well. He was conscious not unconscious animals out for quite a while, and people said he was just never really the sign after that. But anyway, as he was growing up when he became a teenager, he started wandering onto other stay and he would be gone. Weeks at a time. Then, one day and night in body he met his wife to be her name was watching the key and the metal charge

there were also was a shy life easier girl. She never went to death is or anything like that, so she was had led a very sheltered live, but she was attracted to read the cause, he had been all these other places and and shoes just got absorbed in the story said he would tell her about these places see a ban as he he asked me to marry him. They had seen little qualified and then they decided to get married. Well, her mother, Amanda, Mickey they'll with them, and that is where the problem still mainly was where's wandering ways.

During the time he was married, Walter he would still go off and the town for a long time. She and her mother would be left to do the farm chores and she would sometimes have to ask her in laws for help in bringing in their hearts and things like that Aren't you forty one around Christmas time. What happened to be home. He knows that thereby be their first. Baby was do so by causes after and unfortunately, the baby was still bar. He died at birth and while the doktor was tending to vastly, where Had some sort of sea it he had been sitting on a couch. And then, when the doktor told him that things were not going well and that

what they leaving the baby red fell off the couch and the doktor said when he got back up his eyes were twitching and then just sat there quietly. So anyway, I did lose their first child and then she was ok grassy without high. And they went back to normal, which met that now read was wandering away again and then also they they didn't have a second child who lived. That at one point by finally decided that they just wasn't Watson although it was read who actually wanted the divorce so baby

red and white divorce and he moved on bad. He had been the only one place just long enough, did they drafted because at that time was what was in like a sad light. Let two parties, and by this time it was their early bodies and the the services they made it more man for the faster, so he was drafted by the noisy after six way. They let him go. Yes, charged him, and they said the reason was indifferent. hey, don't know what that means, apparently baby mixed wine it, but he was just happy about it.

So he was afraid to go its own way and then he met over eighty nine firing, women every fell in love with her and she was, Very attracted to him, so I got married. Let's say they were married and March nineteen, thirty four and she was not anything she was headstrong, independent, curious and when he wanted to go somewhere, she wanted to go with it. so. I want to buy, went up to again together and then I'll bring that back up a writer.

It was a rocky married you away from the start. He was wrong and he would hit her and her family consisted of her parents and tat. She had a sister, I'm doing they would see her with All the time- and I will come when she would go back home to their farm inside, I know that he was rubbing her. He tried were eating. Him was in fact she get laid him more than she stayed with a friend for a little while a french citizen. To give it one more chance. So she went back to where they were living in a little behind the grocery store and.

She wanted to go out, she and your weight at you. Might she wasn't a social butterfly, but she just enjoy the good for one night. She wanted to go to this it was called the Rainbow garden. The Rainbow garden- was a bar room that sat a top. What I call the largest stressed ocean in the world. It was called the far off farm buildings because those big letters, the figures, numbers liberals legislation setting fire fire, but that was the telephone number for the gas station The gas station was located on the ground floor, of course, and then I had once more that was given over to cars where they are good,

A pot, their cars with cars and things like tat and then, like I said, the top the top floor. Where was the battle, and she just love that twice firing was it was so she decided one third in September the Asker Friends, Haiti by it to go with her and and read that my because it was ladies night that's right by borders, so Katy said my picture and they were They still had a good time at midnight, though read more delays and Haiti really needed to because she was so. Ah

by weighing wanted to go down in the elevator, because she was wearing new shoes and they were hiding her face. but where it insisted on going down the stairs and die. Started sniping at each other and he got worse. So they went out to the car. Finally, that day on alone, she told where she said I leave you with you and he laughter well, she went ahead and that Macao and Katy thought on the outside. She sat up front, and where daddy and and I turn Katy home, I dropped her off, and that was the last time. Anybody saw I re alive.

Let's go, let's go backwards just a little bit because we missed a couple of things for our audience in terms of her friend. I aerial stevenson- and this is just previous to this a few days before a Miro Stevenson goes the halls, apartment and red. Isn't there? So? talks with varying and varying shows or something. What is that that she shows what's so unusual about what she did show her attire,

She had an as I had no joy ass in. It was unusual, it was to pace it was read in, but the unusual thing about it with how the closures work. I want just regular buttons thy with as little closures described by lit by one person describe them as looking like tiny little fir woods or Mario. Nothing like that that you had slipped through something else, though they were you'd movie said, never seen anything like that and near young. We always also size sister in law and they would go shopping together. Then, besides the dress, she tried almost shoes. I was talking about. The chasm launched a shopping trip with material. She had bought those shoes and ensures tried to rights and

So, anyway, that Ariel Sharon'S- I had a pretty good that Sunday, but that was the same with the introduction to the to the outfit one thing that helped identify her remains later. Ok, let's go back to the evening in question when, when they drop off Katy, she sees this altercation this. This heated argument between the men words have said what are some of the things that those that were said that Katy heard in the exchange behind well. One thing away. I was always mad about what he thought it was

extravagant Pedro but TAT, he was a cab driver and he might really good money that the accused of being spent. Three of that was one thing, and then she had their words spoken about going That was really more aware that later on us when he said that going to the post but yeah, they had an argument. So how do you know about all this when I dropped her and then, if you want me to go,

That lie we talk about Muriel back and talk about material the next morning, so tell us what Muriel does and and what happens with the rest of face family afterwards in the following days, raw material caused. When I say that was had sooner on Sunday. I style was but was won. T brought saw her for the fact that the last time and then you're real cause read that fight Arab League was and Red, says, she's, not fire, and he doesn't know where she is. so that a loaded, material and slow

there were three persons, a guy who was coming up from Pangloss Arkansas to those it try again read said that she was gone and that's how her family, the Clemens, fairly found out that she was she's missing, because I know that she will never take off just take off like that and not contact her family over mainly in she talked to them acid survival. Something was wrong, saw her mother and Emma Jane, her sister, Let us not waste department departure. She says detectives their Martin, and I told him what happens and that while she was made

they start talking about Red and Martin said well. Have you have you talked to him and myself were always try, but he's never rail so after they laughed she stared set. Fact is rightly Herbert Petersen and whether one Judd detective Chad Petersen and hard work to them Patsy stand where where

that bad things moving a little bit because you might be able to learn from family members which ran from the car they're gonna keep on till I find you, so he just tell them that firing had left and onto the house but say the same was: ah her flowers were still at home in their little apartment. her elbow indicated she had passed left. She had passed so anyway The pop pop came to an agreement

that really is her, except for she met for the path and myself you mean the endless I had that happened. What happened that night and he said well, we got home and they were arguing. We were arguing and then others were onto bad and the better. He says it's a slight Africa. it is not there. in other words, if a small apartment last barrier that goes back to bed- and I say your wife. This appears Anita back there that there, yet again, strange ways of thinking,

There was a combination of complex, complicated person and those they arise birth, as it is the first time that the accident that occurred when he was twelve years old. I set it somehow that it has raised amateurish and that is entirely possible. He seemed to have no control which might lead to use the better frontal lobe damage, not only in ITALY. This paper we have on the other side, he was firmly and talkative workplace emotive. After

The green light Lenoir removed into my lady Fanny rose on search, how pleased with him as a turn it, but she started leaving the door unlocked. I don't think so comfortable worth. There was nothing to indicate that he was a virus. Syria. At that time he had killed a lot of people. An investigation to size, disappearances going on the test. I raise our being bombarded with these. mothers and their quickly company. I believe that it is a huge tracker right. That's it

state indicate a hitchhiker run, occurs firstly in January, following those disappeared in September, and there was Hamilton Cobb heard of him. He was a bootleg and a barber terms and Arkansas so sideways. Learn about their Harrison was forty five pistol and unrealistic. with burst. Like lays, was island, Templeton Huge, proud of his job. The captain was out there

he's the Patterson on were homer, seems an asset, murder and candid and they I realise that he probably get very much. The interesting thing about words, Motors Heyward, steel, he never got anything highlights. Sometimes he would get like, for instance, a separate system which can, at the first two February, was Mister easy Adam was recurrences and he was coming

I want to go down to current and where they had an ordinance flat and better job there. So he took that when a little while. not too long after that was body he shot my head at this time there was shot with authority, and I might add that the reason ways were called on us to monitor the boys. Mister Hamerton was because the thirty five of them- and I believe that the people there in tandem actors that maybe not of them because that was used by soldiers, so that smarter, say

the boy thought the second murder of Mr Adam. He used a thirty. I am doing so the next one, still going on boy no harm. Could I ask that we have now heard about her in her own right Mohammed, that until the pace What are we talking? Much has happened that it might be more harm unlimited driver for passing company ass. He was going to start car. He left and.

at some point he took that plan. We now hear the Cause Doyle Mohamed, on drought from will want to start by then he was always pass. Another delivery try going in the opposite direction that he always recognise the driver with those at each other. I know that that other guy, I'm, not a father who lived alone while so that sometimes he with his father a wide and that

other was about about fraud and he saw who saw awaited. Let's try with all my heart and he was then said, the sign of the drivers, Truck driver Doyle know her father described the sign and they both why they were higher, and that was the first. They had the step away, so others too, the guy she's going on that lies in the liver Police department. Along the. Why well Inter Bank was so he does,

Mr more closely with that thirty eight I'll pay Let the term is Julia. Latin I've got to work. Excuse me for a second. We can stop, or second figure for Mara these commercial break. With that you also rated at that time, right after the murder of more coherent and with these people. Seeing this young man with red hair is witnesses. Clearly saying this man with red wavy hair, this is the first time these call the hitchhike killer. Officially, isn't it? Yes? Yes,

let's go back to just you say, there's two investigation so that what would that's good that we have done a fine, that's our concisely police and then the Little Rock police department, and so I'm like me, but then he stories were Gleason different jurisdictions, almost act like their competitive and don't share information many of their ever. That's, not the motivation, it they don't share. Information and perpetrator goes on to kill a longer than they may be, could possibly if the jurisdictions cooperated now with Little Rock police department in Arkansas State Police, when does it that they get together and and so talking and seeing so earlier, I met on the noise. These killings were possible, quite powerful oppressed,

he has. One more victims must really come back along about the same time. This is March. Nineteen forty five seven years coming to an end right always knows about the hitchhikers. Stop us that it doesn't get. Alot of prayers were entered a bra back alley BAR behind the bar, and he got so bad that the guy some hospital, but wait a minute. You sound the critical way whereby I might do aware of this issue, not least, of course, who arrest read that he gets worse, just a fine. What caused this almost unbelievable, that got such a beating that as eighty pleaded serve the ps3, always he would always said his father was a preacher, and you know he was a religious man about things like that said this elsewhere about began to cross over after new com.

like ways, tat inscribing gets a clear how the found a woman who tells him that a relative of hers works at the sign tat. His station ass were ha ha relative concept. He knows that he just knows. That were at the cello but cars,

How will I think I'll call him, and I use some right if somebody and they didn't want to get their name? I would like in this case all the news report use different names for the other taxi driver. I wanted to protect him. He was not involved in the killings that lead. He carried a forty five in in his taxing whereabouts, to borrow his taxi. Yeah and that's what he does when he goes down to jail. Mister Hamerton! That's why he uses authorities that it puts at forty five back where it was in the car and returned it to our common. Mr Blind.

The other taxi driver, while suspicious he's very suspicious because of one thing that where it says that he was going out on the road to make some money and so bright, he realized, The gun has been fired, And he's telling railways is about this, but he doesn't want to be dead and bomb, because aside, authorities was suspect him because of his record that his relative causes in the cap inscribed in and found the bribery

a blind. Meanwhile Robin calls Cheap Martin with the rotten least department right unless the night they realize tat. This garden had learned the name that brain had piled them method. It was read how James Right, where Hall stifled, oh he's lying now I get in touch with lower walkways partner and time always nine, because while the most recent thing was that, while in the early but in my town, Martin power struggle that how suspected the disappearance of say. That's when I joined forces and still.

happy investigations following Homer, Samson, were out, but I'm embarrassed by a lot of Troy apply, which started in Kansas when investigating ban on PC adamses. That was the second motor Forty five. I learned a lot of work on via anyway, when I realized, when the two different Madame du Launy, decide that this is, of course, by this one guy red hot Petersen in Chad, Harold Petersen Herbert Harold

Herbert Petersen detectors with police department red ass. The taxi station. WWW when I get my mom I'll he's just so framework he thinks it's about his wife again by the already asked him what about his bath and my figure just there, you have no idea. No, now that I gave in my heart in there and make is ready for a while rocky marked by searching of course, and I find. The postage with state, where are your browser to state, and it was

The trial was a package that he had said to madness old girlfriend without really know about their current prime, I gotta talk to her and she said yes, he did centres that then edit once again, you'll see here, but he would take from his victim is crazy. Starling from from Mr Adam Stalin things right! Well, why let s say cigarette packs rocks and more here- People on the street and I've had somebody already comment on this,

and then the people on the street it hard to believe that people will be carried out by that for a couple of hours remove all he would ever tat. This is crazy.

You talk about this in this house in this interrogation as well as an ideal you, as you mentioned, they talk to other people. They find a watch with initials J D n engraved, so it's not very bright that he keeps all the stuff, but also in its interrogation, which very very interesting is a a beat reporter for one of the newspapers are they believe the gazette tell us about Joe Work is the fastest pronunciation of his name and his again for people reading this will be at his unusual war within this interrogation,

a large, larger, Roger, and I love him is that there will be a great character, which became a party boy for that in practice. That was one of the two main site newspapers back then we had the bad nor a Democrat and with the dessert from the age of that same as always, it was very well back. What might do something like that and he becomes report reporter and become such as I said said with all these different agencies: the sheriff's office, the police city, police, state police at all rather- and he he has-

The dry says that here, where the precious- but here he will help the ways, especially the way they were even type with an and they trusted they were regarded as one of their own right. He dressed, he said, and I wish I could alone in that yeah. When I get the conversion, those with there, when you tell us that the interrogation,

yeah. What's it talks about the interrogation, but also some of the staging that they did and again this is way ahead of the imo sizes on criminal matters and rather than mine Hunter Mine Hunter. But this there's some staging done. There's some oil strategizing gun before they talked him. Tell us what the stating, but also tell him I'll. Tell us how they decided to approach him psychologically to elicit this confession. Well, by putting these items on the table at the rebellion they were in their Taiwan there and my private life at one of the far from Mr Adam and a gun.

So bad ass. Why am I put this on happens? Bargains bears the table covered with newspapers in my brain, and I have thought of an idea about your personality. I guess he's very swiftly And he's not easily rattled, it's not bad regulation. By bringing about again the lever allows unmistakably tell me: are you tat. This body, job Petersen without therewith, deliver that ways with Bargainers Samson answered and Joe urges us to do that.

a child to desert now voicing barrier that then now her husband he was the one who actually led the interrogation I would ask questions from time to time life swims and also by would say something about the hijacked killing. Never know say now that I was expecting him about that's the first when he had about bearing down on you just sit down on mad. He doesn't know what you're talking about a man of course, Petersen Petersen styles on his feet and he hastened back to get down in red spies

Patrick you hear about good cop, bad, cop, the bad cop, so bright for a long time a little by little by Rawdon removed the papers on there. I think the first thing the Red Sea as one of the clock they sat strides. You know, that's really weird and does it gives him a love? Is there but I go on the internet, every immense bargain, positive Skype is aside on that then one of the gun like them and they still doesn't say they will then have a Peterson's. Let's turn I've had a bad sign.

About data and were he always says the thing that you would say: let's let somebody retie I'm crazy about it. Like I just crazy about a little baby boy, Andrews crazy about him. I saw to it that he said to embellish emerge, had received the baby and voters and said Is that what you said goodbye out or something like that? You know, that's not bad Does it work fine oil rather less powerful and bear the thirty eight first, that the murder weapon a bad boy. He just browsing

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When we last left out, we were talking about the concession and they. The detectors were masterful end in appealing to this person, saying you want your son. Remember you as a coward. You be a man and take the consequences and walk so the staging and the confrontation psychologically this way and finally said, as you said, I'll tell you all about it, I killed them all. Now, who you said: statements cleared up the four hitchhike murders and his wife's disappearance. And just as they feared, the salient ferrying was was was dead according to Red Hall. Tell us about what he does say about the before hitchhike murder

all the murders that he confessed to in this confession: well, but he does take them to all. The currency is right when he said. Yes, he killed her that crazy September. One point he says, because you know too much they would take you Dave returns, is as motive for killing highway post that she had spent all his money and the other than that used to bareheaded he'd, never known a woman that were headed and then too he was applied a cat earlier. You know I'm a mentioned again and ass. I would come back to that. While he was married to say when she did accompanied him on a trip up, organ and things were different- huh,

I suspected that she looks at the cop suspected that she knows something that where had done and again and ask what red death was. The other motives he said was she knew too much she. Like a lot about a martyr, something again. What did she never really spell said? He just says that she making much. Then So he said he talks about. They asked him about Carl Hamilton. What is he telling them? I'm terms of the motive for this. They have an idea that this mode of all the wrong with robbery, but they asked him what his motivation was, and why does he tell them? He killed Carl Hamilton.

He said he went down there and he was right. They are there really to rob panels and that you tell them that Hamilton carry a gun on him and read because that's what he five an issue Hamilton. There wasn't really anything, it's funny that something that I can never find this figure out. When I get back to this later away that comes later, but why can you put me in the right direction? Here is what you were asking

what we're talking about turning Carl Hamilton and just what he said in terms of motive, and they said, did he originally went to rob Alma than it was a confrontation? So then he hasn't other. Of course they ask him about more Helen, and so he he says he pulled the gun and force them to stop then took him to a secluded spawn shot him in the head and he got a hundred dollars from that. You also- talk later about psychopathic personality by what's interesting. Is this interrogation his his demeanor at this at this interrogation and once he does dark confessing? the manner in which he does do that. You comment as well. Tell us how you talk about these climbed a large one about it. That's why

You talked about murder, and I think it so in Martin lighter says something like he says he talks about murder like it to be every day say an everyday occurrence. It doesn't mean anything to him, he's just removed from he says, no emotion, The motion is when his father comes to see him by me on the sidewalk outside the child, who breaks down. That's the first time this when his father for the first time after the rest, as it does strike down that yeah

I asked them about all. This was a wise everything. You tell them that I say with Mr Adam Adams. He had wrapped in several yards away from the car into the edge of the goods that they shot him in the back of the head and he would even type of those little she's looking for money figured everybody had money that somewhere she rode away and then invention part of their more here was the second one and he says yeah teaches bunch along about it all now, Dharmu here and endless guys with witnesses saw my hearing was fighting for control of the track, so

He left about witnesses, volume, tat, any type of chalk, and then he said answers that guy just left it there and he started taking back to work and at some point, thereby back tomorrow, another good high motorists to him and the mother. Who is he? that's just nervous about the wise har was asking how he pretended to have a headache

it has to start in the past years. Shows you just kill. Somebody then set up by some tracks. Again, that's take. That is always easily Testa. I mean he's, always smile why what's the person's thought? They were just one over because he was charming. you could silent, occurred, sort of why at well educated or anything like that, that people lover he had some charisma, and so anyway, he almost just yes MA, am learn from about MR no come to move them that happened in partner, so my husband and I went down.

About where, because things are so right now that back in forty five there was a better the spot where he could not come out or an he fights. It will be the only one that for some ways and had a chance to fight back right at that time. Is this? Shows you how much Red Hall had while he's fighting was with Malcolm a couple drive Goin coming toward Conway. momentarily now about the driver, which is the husband he said it was because you think that's happened, the boy travel or something that was why I just empty

the petty places, just a couple of fighting well so Bobo on, and it was right at that time you killed them. God knows him back, he was trying to get it back in the back seat, the word and he entered shooting them in the face. I may make a really lit up by them, love down. And then another thing that battle that Turkey is the Y all thought about. I'm trying to get away with Newcomb Society wants to put the body in a broader somewhere.

Passing on why the river is just a few miles at that time. It was a few miles from the setting of criminalizing cities grown lot since then that he did, he did not. her in and out of often far river and put it but knows I'm embarrassed now to this kept driving more.

He said the wife of a body of water. I mean there are so many opportunities. The river different things visit places like that when you have despised the body will easily and without anybody seen him, but now he dies as the entire parting away on and coming back toward still with the body in the back of a car that apply, I guess a fire, so he knows well I don't like that. So I closed off the road and he runs through us and he believed he stops in it. It is not very far from my people.

They stopped he bombs the car with Mr Lukin inside and then he bowed and let's ride, on a bath back to women. but he takes Mr Lukas bluish breakout vat on those that were so that bit of evidence, physical evidence as an idea dies. I got evidence from every on every one of those crimes and thereby about should parsecute what jurisdiction should prosecuting. We talk maybe not talk about the crime scene, because a very fascinating he has to corroborate. This confession.

And this and you describe as character to is not too bright and he hasn't had much success in his life, but this is this is and for me this is a famous celebrity that he's never. Experience before so these, so the thing is: is the term there's a media response, because you got your words, is right there with the police and and has access everything. So what's the media responds to the crime scene and tell us about the crime scene looking for varying, and we didn't mention that three Venus Opel is Described- tell us about the crime scene visit looking for ferries and her remains-

The other is the first thing I go after you confess is, and then they get about in its. However, rainy days, if you tell them that they did not go home, that from the from the Rainbow Garden Berwin ever he dropped Kelly he does honour to this place better wherever there's a place called the river Doc, worse and that then the river back there. and nobody will ever know exactly what was said by taking your out there that He had an he sells detective to leave them out there and its a caravan of cars, because by doing this page one moves in Arkansas and

how to stay. There was a report as it out from the immense disappear, Memphis commercial appeal, and so anyway are those that caravan of cop and the porters following levels in the car and most of the time when he goes around these different crises, he will be in the back seat, handcuffed to Peter said, Anne. We're just will be right that sad to go out there, Firstly, as a kind of a problem locating overnight that cattle, maybe presidency safer, faster,

He comes out there to see what's going on and he to open that he and the spell out there suddenly and he kept it. He didn't tell anybody, you didn't call a cab to anyone, but he kept it and go back at the past and bring their meanwhile red cheeks. Looking away on right there poking around there's a picture of him. I love that picture calling on his sturdy just and poking around him Then, at the end, I do when faster comes back with the spell the chasm Whereabout rise and then he says and there's a job. Just messing around he said yeah yeah it's over here in this log, and I I found a job and when I get that breakfast yet hers,

there's always hardly one would kill me let alone and now that I am a man whose gas will remain as easy thought. He told them tat. He thought animals does it all kinds of animals would be that the body that there would be anything left in a great hurry, the rest of the world. So he wasn't expecting to find anything that I found quite a bit of her spouse. Only my concluding this guy- and I found that dress, of course, is in transparency and that they were able to identify that because of those unique closures right

Just then, all of a sudden comes to that their anniversary away, anniversary post. Your wedding anniversary would have been coming up that might raise like that with all the crown sales outlets, they enjoy being a celebrity when I retraced his were trying to find a place for me, Mister Wilkins body as stop over then for a couple of life is better Cleveland can cause, and this is what dig out what those windows that big windows pusher,

Then he marries a crowd that better and there must have been a hundred people were always little communities in that area had heard that comparison with common. Their way with were all those I gathered when I found out here in the house about five hundred people showed up, and he was so pleased with it. One of the two actors to raise the window savvy converse with the people in the crowd, and Oh, please. I reminded me off if you ve ever seen that movie about Charlie start, whether our back and then he remembered an answer in the movie that I made about and proper balance with. Martin shame middle ages.

There. They teach you get all this attention only says something along the lines of the now. If I had some peanuts and popcorn a better life, man is solely for the crowd. It is hard to understand sure you talk about this, The prosecutor prosecuting Attorney SAM Robinson, the spike. Paul confessing to more than a dozen murders in other states as well. As you say that they decided employers he county well, Oxfam Robinson decided. What did you decide to do? How many would he prosecute and why

Those are the reasons that, while he decided to prosecute chest, the motor of by the Kurds, who said that was targets play they had her in the courtroom by her reminds the clothing but everything like that and at once what my father was testifying. Mr Robinson hadn't come down in front of the jury and show them that he had the same back to their his daughter. Had and I saw that type of job with that, but to better pay. This reason my another thing, the sheriff and thought the county wanted to have the trial here, but they were afraid that there would be prejudiced because where was wrong here and there,

There had been something that happened many years of war in which a man Persecuted anti their jurisdiction and the first one that God gave him life in prison. and then the circuit jurisdiction, put him on trial, and I gave him there was that he would have to rise before that That was a weird law, so why they did more anything like that happening in MRS Robinson case against him, for his mother was the strongest

they'll quickly, he gets a defence of attorney, name, envy, moody and right away. You he's talking about laying the groundwork for insanity. They send a foreign exam a thirty day exam. doktor club, I believe as big as a guide it. The first examined him tell us about this examination and then what happens with Paul Red Hall and his already previous confession.

I am not a club good examining thirty days, but he would have the police were him down in the morning and taken back a little. Was it not because I had had a person expelled from that hospital in a motor somebody? I think an attempt at that Doctor Cobb. He would he asked. I read about the murders and things like that. You get any central gratification from inside now. How do you feel about this? How did you feel after you killed guy and he would say, relieved Doktor Carr Haste? He said that he was, that were was saying.

But every moody, his defence attorney, who had clearly and innocent buried nothing sanity and also he bought the confession. He said the professionals who urged that that was nobody believes. That said, and then last time It was better to cope with about the details about the confession that that again and likely ever yeah, traffic information in this was no? I have never heard of this argument this in court. The empty Moody tried to save that the confession he gave to doctor cold couldn't be a

the car, as it was privileged information between a doktor and his quiet. I have never heard of that. Before I had never heard. I thought it was. You live with them when I started studying that it was not you make out, and that has been argued down through the years, whether or not when a person to psychiatric hospital for observation and then that psychiatrists testifies admissible because was it down when we had thought it was faster, quiet relationship that, of course, in the skies anyway, I'm really not sure. I'm not educated well enough that that bad

either. Mr Moody try as there's this movie is another character. That is just so it's better than Y all mouth. He goes to exchange because you weird saying to people who buy the boy. I say then you get to the part about the court rather than the trial. It really happen that way: This is only about the things that you have

you spoke about the link to get his client is buried the address of the Iraq, let there be than the judge objective, every usually it's a lawyer who addressed the judge, objective, I hope that when the judge was objecting to the editor in life, and sad one point? He said this may not. While at the same rate, but it might take a century the kind of moody distraction. Things like that. yeah, really interesting.

The bursting out my passion to bolster the conversion from the psychiatrist. Of course, this becomes a battle of psychiatry. Listeners many psychiatrists testify at this. That is, that this trial, but there are very, were instances with all the font and Judd and sins and in various law enforcement closer. This case that he also confess to and so part of the trial is just in the defence of a hard time, within that there are many reliable, credible witnesses that also he confessed to certain aspects of these murders: guinea, where tat type of guy

at the pile. There were well well said the other day I threatened me. They threatened my family. They said I was a child Obama, family members and then he said something about, and they dragged me. My own in Robinson would argue, is in place for a gradual rely on what you mean by that he set out handcuffed to I hadn't had cost of one of these is prevalent on me and then he said, Rob and would say that you would drive about really glad that I have had the key issue to be enshrined in the EU, which is crazy. That, yes, I had here, that's that

The argument that it was the coerce concession that nobody believes there having. That was one of the seven first prize, where a pay, he didn't say, prefers the concessions colours and then he not guilty, because, even though, at the time Moody is a says that you cannot prove that those remnants of a human being on that table. There are the remains of fake lemon Paul, so he says that they have no but then, if you have no body to previous murder, very likely maybe does think like that, all the way through the trial and then, of course, this is headed by reason of sanity and needs

to the jury. The judge do them the option not guilty saying that he didn't do it not guilty by reason of insanity guilty that work. What did he say when not Clemenceau managing passively mercy, It comes back by day by day and recommend the death penalty.

They did not like war now was it. What do you mean something like fifty lying and are less than it was in the middle of the night that factors there was some spectators at that trial. Everybody wanted to Turkey and, in those very far those times by feeding somewhere I'd still closer by what they perceive again this year. that's about it was handed down night light in the middle of the night. Lastly, first wiser mossy is brought in to testify and do you talk about his demeanor and his composure and sometimes indifference at this thing, but

tell us when we see how come then it's a little bit different in and who does she bringing in a little bit later, and this is a time when there is a little more relaxed security in terms of whose etc at the council table. So tell us about this very dramatic event with while C and how she brought in for him to see where we love declared the five, and I always hear her voice. I declare that they thought the way she talked about. How well I'd like, to my mind, a good mind to do so tat by and by he studied crime, because, even though I understand that the cried through most of her testimony that then I have a guy. I haven't way, sir.

as the body whose about two years old, buddy and bag and where things have reversed imbalances in on me and all their so called satellite make him happy Happy to see that body and happy but walk he's there so, like I said, on the other hand, overwhelmed with emotion when she would testify in farm Tat guy. It's very international. The the insanity defence, That you write about is that. I mean the moody, tries, is best and puts on the fence. Psychiatrist too

will push ahead there very of what what really happened and why this happened, but he talk about a psycho, a psychotic personality, but then also about being a psychopath. So if it becomes, kind of ridiculous in the trial. Did the fence in terms of an actual insanity definition. What would be considered sanity not knowing right from long, but then they throw everything in their again calling him a psychopathic personality. I were using what they were trying to prove here in vain. Ultimately, I now and I was happy to sell a bad because,

Let nobody is long way that Egypt is going back to that all the time psychopathic personality and, like you say it's always different psychiatrist and every time movie will fail, and that is the definition of a psychopathic personality.

Then let us do that over a fine wages and judge how they helped bring back to the cause of moody and the wider questions does address now from the psychiatrist had just had a few minutes really to examine whether the night before then. That would further testimony the right here in the night, listen to lady and listen to with family members who say that their mental well back there my column, mental defect in your mother's famine, vainly trying to make believe it runs in the family that insanity, unlike he said there is a difference between sanity and then a psychopath, and I had to tell about that in a way to include there. I just wanted to shall have asked trot

The toilet, sale charge on the label is removed It certainly not like anything. You ve seen aren t they heard. Mason is not a good while it is not clear, Yeah and then finally, of course, The judge who does it struck the jury dimensions that you know you can't really. I don't know how to read, He lived the life he said earlier on the confession: he was going to leave that to the jury to decide that they believe the fashion allowed ran right. He said

And he was leaving that conclusion to the chili after I heard all these different once he wants to cut this client at that. When I told him he suffers from hallucinations auditory hallucination, he would talk to a dead cousin. but that was not the man was the first time ever, but I dont know if that was well. I just read was right I'll tell you, he could lie better than they would lie so something events in it, and this is a good example of this- is the last time that he too

father any aside his father. Now that it was an accident I mean to do it, I didn't mean to do it, but then again in the five years that you try. I do. I don't know you gotta, believe me, I love and ages twice or three times in the same paragraph you write about

The public response in the media response and many detective magazines and comic books contain writings about hall and gave him Louis mine occurs like the Arkansas butcher, the killer, crazy murder of little rock and the doktor Jackal of Arkansas. But it was said you still once he was convicted. It was still the Gazettes Joe work workers who was the? U right was the main conduit to which the public can no Red Hall had access to, so he had access to himself what what kind of access did he have to him and given this death sentence in that's what he was given in, it have survived the appeal process,

so tell us about the relationship and how close does Georgia's get to read hall in his last day at night with burning he just going along and he does get it. It's wasted interviews while were still in jail, but when, when it comes to the Aptitude Earl Liechtenstein, the land of OZ,

causing job, is fire and then, when he's driven down to the present job, always fire, and then I have explained earlier in the work that jobs are not always spread with the place and the sheriff decisive friends with the assistant superintended at the prison about back there and fish law and Joe Joe stay overnight there sometime in one of the cells and never death house, was it Tucker prison

then he would sometimes in the night so rare, and he would he was therefore the execution early. He was there. He said something about lids. Lastly, all job was going to be there and where was just tickled death about that, you said it was some honoured that job would do that would share his last meal. Anybody and you just pay most upon a redwood- especially as planned, but he also looked upon the directors who had been credible were basically. They were well bunch of hours, that's what he said about your powers

have any all we'll toward any body. They thought that he was religious, cuz. It's dad was a creature, so he was brought up that way and he was just leaving it all to God and he was at peace with until he was nervous sometime. But then they said it was nervous was actually out of their people, terrier jacket. This conversation. while I was silent, the execution

now rustly after his execution the this story, what were we talked about? The war war too, and Germany surrender this story would have been much bigger this. This general waver in Red Hall would be much more infamous, especially given the confessions and an end, the body count of this serial killer and is incredible. The character and demeanor through this whole thing is very, very unusual killer with a peculiar character, to say the least. Tell us what prevented the story from being much bigger

I was coming to an end, while ours is happening there and when he was on the final spray- and I am I had a few arise that was, he did you rascal control? I think he might have left her at some point and the fact that he murdered somebody might have robbed and in such a brutal manner. I think it's just as he pushed him out completely over the edge and that you got careless recycling spray that the war, While all this is happening in the future mothers- and

not really fight that didn't really like the papers, but the Hittite Martyrs Day and, of course, by the papers, were all about the war in Europe have been. You know throughout the war, with a list of people who had perished in once missing in action and urges all about the war. What is taking place in the Pacific? What was taking place in Germany that the trial it say when red trial was and lasted only revise the boy. Europe ended, and you know that

Jubilation way across the country, and they would the people there were lots, oberstar, abiding by the author celebrated, while this very somber trial was going on. So when paper. It had not been such a larger. I dont know that red hot whatever that any attention at all, I dont know it so hard to worthy at that in parallel dot and tot anyway, I would like to start on selling it's just I don't know when he started conversing. Naw man from all across the country came to talk to her and she said

pension funds that are most definitely the Lambert, never ties that was doktor. Lambert was an austere pass from Kansas. Had this travelling picked up on the upper who is going back to his face tat, he had then came a red pen along, and I picked him up and left us from and what that was very hard hit the hardest part of research that was so very little pipers Annie. But it was fairly common cries. I hastened silent, they all ears but being common twice.

Somebody you never even hear about unless a particular gruesome, but there is more- and so I tried my very best tonight- sure that nobody had ever caused these crimes that were strongly accused of committing them less powerful levers. Hasn t now lives in North Kivu

No one's lesson that North Carolina anyway, his cousin to confirm a family. I said now that had never been thought labour never pays. I do really believed and authorities believed that red do their and our dreams- Owen, seminal home, homer the sheriff their Jake say on these products here too, and he had had catch, is like this. The murderers, but he never saw them hey guys. I went out and was killed at Christmas time and in nineteen forty forty two forty three forty

yeah he was part there. I will try and when red couldn't his heart he would have a fight so thin Owen. He had his head ass. He was. but his head was Thursday and dried SAM. The sheriff wasted a seminal. He had seen. There are many times he said come before, and he said that he truly believe is always boy that Gm Owen was killed her. However, I will return tat. Wasn t TAT Junior was attending

But I thought ass to his family and I just couldn't get anybody so bad. I like us I will put it s direct by his life, because red might have done it, but who knows

I want to thank you so much Jenny, Nesbitt Jones, for coming and talking about this remarkable, the Arkansas, Hitchhike Killer, James Way burn Red Hall. It's been remarkable speaking to you. Thank you so much for this. I know this is a history press release. Maybe you could just tell us of authors. Amazon page might find this. This work this book. Yes, you can find it in several online stores, Amazon, of course, and in some of the bread and water stores, white boys and noble book Tamil and hopefully not to define the future. There was a sort of a slow allowed, partly because of those the weather, the slow. When everybody was in all their problems that yes, most online bookstores, you can find it so Breakin were stores also- and I hope to have my website up and running in the not too distant future. It's just that. Well, I still work by our magazine on doing another murder mystery for them between that in life itself. I haven't gotten around my website there, but I love you so much for having me on your show at the part, tat budgets, I really enjoyed it and I do hope that listener sound it entirely and informative. Yes, thank you. So much.

Jane, he knows the Jones, the Arkansas Hitchhiker James Wilburn, red hot. Thank you so much and have a great evening good. I thank you.