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Yeah. You are now listening to true murder, the most shocking killers in true crime, history and the authors that have written about them. Gacy, Bundy, Dahmer, night, stalker, BT came every week. Another fascinating offer talking about the more shocking, an infamous killer, who crime history through murder, with your host journalist and offer them happy. Good evening, this is your whole stance, a pass key for the program, true murder, the most knocking killers in true crime, history, others at a written about them. It's Christmas

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then I'll be talking about uh, the very best books that I have the pleasure of reading this year and and doing interviews and distress that you go back into it listen to those interviews, district don't alone. In the end, it was really the my objective is to get you to buy somebody's books because get you to read some of these books go to your library if they should have these get these one way or another, get to read these books, one way or another, talking about some of my favorites from this year that I had the pleasure of. So my highly anticipated, like we're gonna, die about called on the farm for american viewers. It's about the Robert will you take them in its from an author that you might not be familiar with. Your name is David Cameron. This is our second book about some Robert Picton, one of them worst serial killers ever one of them. Bizarre, incredibly interesting and disturbing store

research will never ever read very, very well written. Actually, I Gary see King also wrote a book about the subject called rage that you can at least get on. You can order as an e book, and it was real east in late. Two thousand and eight of Stevie Cameron had written a book about Canada, Prime Minister, and was more of a corporate business who crime reporter will say, and she found this case so fascinating and interesting, and she felt compelled to spend a great deal of the last four five six years working on this a project to books about Robert Willie picked him up. I want to talk about some upcoming shows in the new year and I apologize for not having a fresh show this week and fresh oh next week on the 29th. I'm a heavy encore program on the twenty ninth, but I want to speak

people that have been my dedicated and devoted followers for the last year and some people came on board a little bit later and some people came on right from the very beginning to be listening to this programme. So I appreciate the people live, singing and sharing the program with other people. There have been some great reviews on others It is well talking about the true crime podcast for those avid true crime fans. I want to talk about. Programs. In the new year we have on January fifth, coming up evil next door, the untold story of a killer undone by DNA by an author named Amanda Lamb. Amanda Lamb is written as author of another two grandma called deadly dose. And the evil next door, the untold story of a killer, undone by DNA, Amanda, Lamb and that's January fifth, and

apparently on May 21st, two thousand two hundred and twenty three World Raleigh NC resident Stephanie Bennett, was found in her apartment. Despite dna evidence at the scene, investigator could find no matches in their criminal databases. Two years into the investigation, however, detective can Copeland known as the garbage man for leaving no stone unturned in his search for evidence and his partner, Jackie Taylor joined the case after calling through the entire file with fresh eyes and re interviewing witnesses. They re released a description of a suspect neighbors had senior by a man who once lived just next door to the murder scene, but the suspect refused to hand over dna sample wiping down anything. He touched and even planning decoy samples. This is the gripping story of how a team of aggressive detectives doggedly track down a killer under suspicion

and for a killing spree. That investigators believe this bad years and cross state lines and finally brought closure to innocent young woman's grieving family yeah, and I could I had mentioned Amanda. Lamb- is also the author of deadly dose. She cries covers the crime beat for Wral TV, one of the countries top CBS affiliates in Raleigh Carolina. So I'm looking forward to that interview with her on January Fifth, on January 12th, we have my special guest will be JPEG trick O'Connor. He runs a excellent, true crime site. If you haven't seen this yet it's called a crime magazine, Japan, Rick O'Connor, is the editor and contributing author as well. He has this excellent, true crime site and it has eggs

story. So you get to read a lot more than just the say the little sure, but I read from the back of a man the lambs book, but you get a better picture. What is actually going on the story, I would say around five thousand words I have I'm I'm featured on crime. You seen as well as many authors and many stories ranging from mom Charlie Manson to all kinds of stories in one of the stories that's also featured on crime magazine is J. Patrick O'Connor has written a book, the framing of Mumia Abu Jamal and. And this gentleman is american. Originally born Wesley Cook changed his name in university, born in nineteen fifty four american living in Philadelphia. He was convicted and sentenced to death for the December nine

one thousand nine hundred and eighty one murder a Philadelphia police officer, Daniel Faulkner, MOO Meijer. Abu Jamal has been described as perhaps the best known death row prisoner in the world, and his sentence is one of the most debated sentence is to this day. Before his rest, he was an activist array, journalists and, at the time of rest, kind of cab driver. He was also a member of the Black Panther Party until October. Seventy, and he did he worked at a minority owned radio Jane and gave them we see was called the voice of the voiceless. He gave a lot of time to cases he thought were cases, discrimination or police brutality or are those kinds of

cases anyway he was convicted and J. Patrick O Connor has written the definitive book about my Abu Jamal and his fight for in through his appeals. His activism mentioned that activists and its volume with a black Panthers education and his journalism career and how that could have all been involved in what he considers the framing of my abu. So there's been many celebrities of many people. I have come for in his defense over the years once they reviewed the case. We will hear the definitive story about what exactly what happened, why he was considered a suspect in the first place, why we can should consider him

not a suspect and why he is innocent, and we will hear all about that from a J, Patrick O'Connor. In the meantime, please check out his excellent true crime to the term. Real must for true crime fans. Crime magazine Descrie magazine himself has an online magazine on January 19th. We have. I have the great pleasure, other story that, even though I am I resign in Canada, I did not know the story that happen in one of our provinces. Here. The British Columbia on the West Coast fully make Hoover is a story of a sixteen, oh boy, Martin, as last name Martin and I won't be doing justice to the story. But roughly the story is,

that he was waiting for a sky train above ground high speed, rail and of a woman, approached him and wanted his crucifix and he did not want to give up this crucifix so why? What did transpire was that she had the assistance of gentlemen, a boyfriend or a gentleman or friend, and he or she had given him a piece of Jack Glass, broken glass and had told dispersed in that the young man had threatened her tried to stab her, and that was the impetus for this man going and flitting this boy's throat. Now, typically, you would have law enforcement. Sometimes the district attorney, sometimes independent journal,

an freelancer unless the larger Lester associated with firm, reputable newspapers or radio programs or television writing about the case and then interviewing family members and victims and. Sometimes the perpetrator or a combination of all of those things, this book that we're going to be talking about is called the last six minutes: a mothers lossed the quest for justice by Sandra Martens, donor and Matthews killers have been tried, convict. It said it, but Sandra Martin, stoner and her family cannot escape their grief and their overwhelming sense of loss they have none of their anguish into affirmative action for victims. The last six minutes is the true account of the random and violent murder.

Of sixteen year old, Matthew, Martens and his family's journey through the canadian criminal justice system. Now the families face with the killer's appeal and the torment perhaps being subjected to another, yet another lengthy trial. Now for parents, she says Sandra Artist owner is the founder and executive director of families against crime and trauma. Fact an organization born as a result of the random and senseless murder of her sixteen year old son. Sandra now works tirelessly to help others that lost love, one to a violent crime. Those appear regularly magazines and online publications across Canada. Sandra witness. First have the imbalance in the canadian justice system. It's time to see the rights of the victim supersede those of the offenders and Sandra Martins toner with her book. The last six minutes.

And I wanted to, I am proud to say as well that my walk trophy kill the shall we dance murder. I've been nominated for the top thirty true crime books by Kim Cantrell at and her staff at true Crime book review. So I was very privileged to meet Kim trial and to have I actually had around in one of my programs talking about her site, uh grandpa produce and also our sheep read my book, and I was very very pleased with her assessment of the book and her description of the book and very detailed. Very comprehensive book read true crime book grandma. She Michigan has a fictional Friday, so she does credible job and covering some classic two grand books, some well known authors and not so well known office- is everybody. A shot, ah

can be very skating in her assessment of some people's books, but I think that's what gives her the real air of legitimacy and the real coffin? When you go to true crime book reviews that did going to read a book you're going to you're going to know what you're going to be buying? What you're going to be getting before you buy it, courtesy of Kim Cattrall at true ground book reviews. You get it good idea, whether you want if your interest in the book or not, you states really good case on why you should get these books and what is it about them that so interest things are so different or so something that she hasn't seen before 'cause. We all know we're looking for something a little bit different. Each time we have shed our name and I ever be a little bit and when we get to read books I would say that are worse, but we are looking barbarians

testing stories and there a lot of great authors out there with a lot of great stories. It's just nice to have a site that can tell you listen. This is something you might want to check out. So that's really a really good thing that she was nominated with this book. Last six minutes all we're going to have Sandra Mark toner on January 19th. After that we're going to have a host of other authors. I just don't know the order. Looking at a fair amount of books that have come out, I want to have we're. Bear back on on rural bear is a true crime. Author has about six to crime books under his belt. His latest is fatal, beauty and mom said kill. He has broken doll and just other books or company to mind at this minute. If Ireland number I'll say I'm a little bit later in the program, but Bro Bear host the best true crime program that I'm never

heard and he's hilarious. I don't know how true crime and comedy get so mixed up, but this guy is foreign journalists tee. This guy's been for every voice, a God there and he is right hell of a funny guy. I don't know how we get the humor at a true crime. Sometimes I I certainly don't find it very often, but rural bear just a great. Yes, we have a back on with one of the mom said, kill it'll be reprogrammed, marked a couple times this year, because he is just a fantastic guessed but check out his program so bear, and on woman every week from LOS Angeles, just outside LOS Angeles and it's fantastic show and has all the best guess all kinds of different, true crime, authors that appear on his program and and each week- yes

great program, it's Saturday afternoon, so check that out, but it's of course on demand archive to dislike this program. So you can listen to it anytime. You feel like it so check out true crime, uncensored and, of course, true crime book reviews. Ok, so I wanted to also talk about just for those people who would like to know in my book. True crime part may trophy. We shall we dance. Murder talked of the majority now notorious suspected serial killer, Signature Hughes Procedure use. I had been waiting since twenty first of this year for the verdict on sinecure, his appeal, which was filed in jail Menu area of two thousand and nine, so when I was I, the decision was reserved for

three months or part me. The decision was deserve reserved by three judges. Pardon me. Alan at the date of May, 21st sometimes make a decision, sometimes it's a month or two and after three or four months, especially around that time, I began thinking that maybe the authorities the job edge, maybe at the urging or prompting of the defense lawyer, who really uh I've, never had anybody interfere, say in a trial. I think humiliate him in front of his comrades. And now forever he may believe I'm trying to humiliate him, and I am trying to expose him in the book by having the transcripts by having the first Interv. So when he didn't know, I was speaking with his client

when I had certain amount of information at my disposal, and I think it would be rough quite ironic when you read the interview, so this my efforts to feed him his client humiliate him interfere with a trial, show him up anyway. I thought maybe that he would try to use this book, and I think I thought that's what the extra time was being used. Or was to examine my book and I don't know if they didn't do that, but nevertheless, in just a few weeks ago,. Quietly it didn't make much media fanfare whatsoever, that's the appeal was denied, dismissed and it'll be no more further trials, so at least for the part of my book where my book concludes with his appeal,

and I predict that his lawyer may use my book to try in I'm way to trial acquire another trial for his client sure. If that ever happened, I just know, but it's finally over I'm feeling a little bit better that they didn't give another trial. I did really I wasn't so worried. I mean I. I think that there would have been much more more of a spotlight on this book and this and it's not so much the book with this case. That's still, my primary focus is to have people understand this case, Americans and Canadians, because really we took the death penalty away, not that many years ago, and we've come a long way since then, to lessening the magnitude of murder and to the to the horror of victims and their families like the San Remo.

Donors, sixteen your voice throat, is slit for a crucifix. I haven't read the book, yet I read some reviews on it. That's all I know, but all I know is that the impact of The judicial system is almost as scary and shocking as the the impact of the murder itself. I'm not saying that that I I know from experience that the victims in America feel much better after go through a trial. We're going the process there either, but we do We just do have a system that has really in my book the first quote quote from a governor general of the highest official. In the country. This is under. We have two party system usually,

but we have another further left wing party call them the new german Democratic Party, but normally we have the liberals uh in power, more so than the conservatives in power. So you're Democrats versus Republicans, if you were to look at it that way, the liberals, as the name, implies her beloved under law making lawmaking. But this is from Canada, Mr General, Jean Pierre aware in October, seventh, one thousand nine hundred and seventy one and that's my fault. I felt it important to include this as a quote at the very beginning of my book. We have decided from now on distressed the rehabilitation of individuals rather than protection of society. And create a more relaxed atmosphere. This new policy will probably involve some risk. That's one thousand nine hundred and seventy one.

By two thousand and three we have the double murder of Robin Roberts, green by Sidney to use and. By two thousand, and three at least I know, and at least the tier who snows and at least the people that are in the legal. No, no, that we. Have really advanced with that idea, a triple murder that I spoke about last week we had a. I had a homicide when homicide detective head of homicide detective talking about the triple murder, where somebody was come for someone else. He escaped the window. Instead, the wife and two ways

called babies were shot point blank by this killer, and his accomplice was with him now this killer triple first degree, murder. You know in America you have laws that would ensure likely that somebody that did that type of crime would never see the light of day. In many states you would have the death tax they, whether they put him to death play or eventually or not at all therein, in saw by them south on death row awaiting technically this death sentence. We ve taken a death sentence away. I'm not sure the time frame of that. But in a see in a relatively short period of time and. A generation or so triple murderer is being prepared for listen to the community in Canada,

a murderer first degree, murder, one shot for people, should a husband, wife and two little kids point blank since he was angry. So it's again not a dry tone on the canadian judicial system. It's just you just get a whore. By virtue of the story itself and when where the traffic was, I found them fastening because I had never attend murder trial before and I had thought I understood a murder trial because of course I. Listened and read, or listen to the news and watched and read the newspapers, but I had the opportunity to be involved with a very interesting case, very fascinating and amazing case where the killer takes the stand. Where I take the stand against the prosecuting attorney or pardon

the defense attorney, and you get to read every word of this every word in this by the obviously. I did it down because of me much longer with you side of the phone book, but all the relevant, interesting aspects where we left in from those transcripts and it's for those who think it's much like law and order. It's not anything like law and order whatsoever. Now, I'm going to use this opportunity to talk about trophy he'll just a little bit. And I wanted to mention as well that some. Steadily the story is, is gay, it's amazing to me that being in a city size of seven hundred thousand people with the National news coverage for three weeks, while the trial was on for a week,

the crime actually had occurred and other dates. Where. Stories about organ removal and cannibalism and all kinds of stories that made national and international headlines, not every newspaper in the US, but a lot numerous celebrity sites, Richard Gere, Susan Saran, Jennifer Lopez, ashore. We dance movie celebrity sites that that's their business. These stories brief brief accounts we're on these sites. When the trial happened, National NEWS television See TV and used person, whether our national right as to whether or not they picked up the news, feed or then the story from they went away. Free press or the winner takes on an all stories were cared to carry to almost there city in Canada. Yet when I am doing a sign

chapters, which is the biggest bookstore in Canada,. Mary very much like Amazon people not even heard about the story, so it is a fascinating. It's been a fascinating journey from need to realize that this is almost like a brand new story to the people that live in in they they have no idea. Even though, was prominent in the newspapers. For that period of time there seems to be some disc connect between people who read books and people who read newspapers are it's it's very interesting. How we treat these types of stories in the media in the first place in the city like Winnipeg, is known as the murder, capital, Roughen, Tom Town, older, Sid, poor or city. So we have very much liked Chicago, recall the Chicago the north and were compare in a lot of ways. Maybe I don't

want to take anything away from Chicago, but we just have some similarities, and I can say that when we compare it to other cities in Canada, we have our fair share. Notoriety will say that. And again not to say anything bad disparaging against Chicago, but so. Anyway, that's what I'm getting we're doing these signings, the response has been very people are amazed when you give him just even a brief account. Some of the facts of this. Thing is part of it- is like again that they had not even heard about this- that they are unaware of the story, and it's totality so my The book is selling well and, more importantly, getting really good reviews and that's what's most important. It is

little bit pricey, it's eighteen dollars in the US, so a lot of people going jeez. That's that's a lot of money. All I can say is that I don't think authors are making enough money and- and I thought that some of the information needs to be my books that you can get in Canada use a perfect binding, so the books look a little bit I'd say better in a little bit better quality. I've got four hundred pages in my book, so it is it chock full of information at this is a six by nine. The Amazon version and the canadian version is five by eight, and the Amazon version is Sir and locked up, and I sat and finish cover, but the cover looks great in the book looks really good in it and again I I think that it's would be very interesting to anybody that wants to know about. I think this new

League of Serial killer, I think we, the BT kid is operating. You know some thirty years ago you would we about Zodiac Killer Charles Manson TED Bundy. We talk about John Wayne. They see, even though Bernardo more cases now. Fairly old we're getting into twenty years, so some of the most notorious serial killers have already occurred there Sally working with their getting guys that are done, ten thousand and eight, and only catching up to them after a few years a lot these people seem to have some psychological disturbances, certainly to have kind of serial killer the one without while charisma talking about it in a negative way. So we're talking about is the kind of charisma

Hitler or man sooner somebody, Jim Jim, Joan somebody that has that kind of strange. You know way with people that they are able to operate and get away with the very complex serial kill to be able to get away with ten murders or twelve or thirty, or so it's the psychopathic killer, the the person that's charming and disarming, but my book trophy kill. I talked about the legal drama that you're going to get to read about you, get to see my journey through the my my total involvement, but mostly what you do get to see. You know, I think, the the big prize of this war. Do you very, very unique aspect of this book is Sidney terraces own words and his

drawings, which become the crucial evidence that trial by the way. So, if not extraneous, it's not it's relevant and it is deadly relevant to this whole. Your book, so it's not included as a lot of people propose, do not a shocking photos. Every Every true crime book claims to have shocking photos, but obviously, when you got, will. The book was shocking about those waters. We all know, there's nothing shocking about those photos and lots of times. The books are oversold in terms of the shock where the unique this or everybody comparing the book to in cold blood, which is fine. You know there are some books with some real parallel still in cold blood. But, like my program likes to talk about from

the very first program, we tried to do- and this is very hard to do, because a lot of these books are about cases that are quite old and I found out. I found out too soon enough that these were the hardest authors to contact, so that I would do another interview about their book that they had written twenty years before some of these books were not so much in practice. It is where there wasn't so much motivation for you, the publisher or the author, to really. I want my programme and talk about it, but despite that, we covered the Bt Gay. We covered TED Bundy. We you touched on Jeffrey Dahmer in the cannibal killers we about ailing, wuornos and lethal intent with Sue Russell. We. I had done last year we talked about to die for me with

Leonard Lake and Charles drowsing notorious dungeon masters, the guys that incredible story die for me by Jim feel there, and you see that book that's been around for years. It's a it's a scary book. The Leonard Lakes favorite book was called the collector by Steve, fowls, cheats and anyway, a classic that was made into a movie about a man who collects butterflies and then, when he wins it here at some money that he has a plot to build the special dungeon in

in his home in the basement of hidden cellar of sorts of dungeon and collect this woman that he has been admiring, and he does do that and it's the book is the fictional. In his written from the perspective of the collector, the psychopathic was a psychopath and and then it revert to the perspective of the captor captive the book is very tame is written in the fifties. I believe- and it's entailing comparison, one- what Leonard Lake and Charles in a mad. In their minds to do, and so they take the collector and take it too stream level. So it's it's. You know it's an extreme story, so it's not that I live for Gore, but I if, if I'm interested in the tv mine the psychopathic mind, but I have less interest in the person that has a organic in disorder or the

person is more remorseful or is remorseful or pretends to be remorse. Why? I gravitate towards Jeffrey Dahmer story, the stats, Sorry was just incredible everything that happened the near the cops that could have had an arrest. Much sooner. That's all part of the stories. The most fascinating stories are how not to beat up on the cops but how you know: TED Bundy escapes from prison from from custody a couple times. The police, could've should've, arrested, Paul Bernardo, but just didn't. You know a disconnect between different jurisdictions. The ego of different jurisdictions, the in aptitude sometime,

sounds of police forces, the skepticism of police, believing certain victims, because they happen to do drugs or be happen to be prostitutes. The apathy that seems to be very, very prevalent in most stories about the public. Or the media still using the word, Hooker who's, forcing the media to use the word hooker, no one. So why do we still have the the blame of put being put on a victim? So So I went off a little bit of a tangent there, but what I try to do do a lot of stories that are. To combine a lot of these things, all these confluence, obviously there there has to be a convergence, a confluence of events that occurs, that a person can rack up forty, nine VIC,

comes. You know, Robert LAW will impact in the thirty two or thirty three, but they suspected forty, nine AC has thirty, three that they found Bundy had almost a dozen and other than there were suspected. You know the Green river killer. He was forty nine. There is it's incredible that there has to be some police ineptitude. There has to be some miscommunication between different jurisdictions, police forces. There has to be people that no something but didn't put everything together. Some people- it is even more disturbing a shocking when you have a psychopathic killer, finds a partner, a psychopathic killer finds a partner. That's a wife

psychopathic partner utilizes, their daughter, psychopathic partner, has followers a psychopathic killer goes to prison. Has a legion of groupies allegiance the followers? Now we have Sidney, Tear who's. Who mentions extensively Jeffrey Dahmer, TED, Bundy, Zodiac Killer and in one of his favourites Dennis Nielsen Nielsen, which is like the british Jeffrey Dahmer. They hung around with his bodies very much like a negro file like Joe

Free Dahmer hanging around with his bodies doing stuff with them trying to keep them weird thing like that, but Sydney takes, I guess, influences from a few of these people, because not only did he commit this incredible murder, basically very careful autopsy of this. You know this man for men of this human being, but with the display of the human being, with all of the organs minus all of the organs it is Jack, the ripper and beyond even jack. The ripper didn't do that. Type of display. There is never been anyone that has created this horror spectacle like Sidney, tear use left for police, none of the organs there, all of 'em gone, the body washed, the body cut into eight pieces.

Decapitated, disempowered, arms it through the elbows later at the knees, castrated. And then re crudely re assembled staged posed for police defied and calm and cool as a cucumber during the whole broaching police that coming back to the hotel room they they noted that then submits the interviews right away, smiling for photographers and then looking for a journalist to tell his whole story and then I came along check the stats

All he wanted someone to do was put some of the pieces together. He wanted talk, but he didn't want to go to prison for the rest of his life. He knows that if he admitted everything he might go to prison for rest of this, even despite everything he's written everything that he has drawn everything he has said on the stand, everything that he was convicted of. There are still other murders, it's just unequivocal. Nobody in the history of any murders has committed this type of murder at this level. If you include the things that I just mentioned,. The actual murder autopsy dismemberment thyself

option, mutilation necrophilia then display posing the calm approach of police. The interviews the smiling faces the contacting people telling them what he had actually done. The glee. The enjoyment of reliving the fame that he was so desperately needed and wanted, and I found out the info Annabelle reason why Susan Jewelry was there: what did it have to do with this murder? We found out that the victim storm, the jewelry, And then we found out, he was trying to sell the jewelry and that's how we met Sydney to Hughes, the city, tear who's, does a great job,

a set of downplaying the entire jewelry and its role. This is the last thing he wanted to do was to tell police that once he had possession of the of the jewelry that's when he ended his reign of horror, so he wanted to. Make it a puzzle and my a serial killer, which serial killer? Do you think I really am, do you think I'd be characteristics of a serial killer and then he does quote when you kill when you kill someone when a body dies. This is an embarrassment to the canadian judicial system. That's what this book is, I'm not getting any help selling this from.

From our national media, this is a criticism of the system, the prosecution, the defense. Our hands are tied or handcuffed. We can't do it this person. My fight, is to have this purse and never released from prison, and when you read this you'll see there's no way they're going to release. I wouldn't bet any money on it. I certainly don't know how they're going to do it, but they allow me an author who's. Looking for publicity. Whose use the meeting before, whose wag the dog before to get attention to this story. Are they? Let me be at that parole hearing.

I wouldn't bet on it, but I'm going to pound the pavement to make sure that people realize, in this country, he's up for roll in eighteen years that this person should not get out of prison ever and people like him should not get out of prison. Ever we went from the death penalty to know consecutive sent sing meaning that if you have three or five or forty nine murders, you still have a parole hearing. Unbelievably, unless you can be proven a rapist and you and even be considered a dangerous offender which would mean an indeterminate prison sentence, it's incredible. Anyway, that's about trophy kill the shall we dance murder. The tram revelations of a psychopathic killer got some good reviews to go to true crime book reviews, and maybe it's the book for you. Maybe it's that one look that you're looking for you hadn't heard course

If you're in America, you figured she's weed out all the serial killers, all the interesting serial killers, all up serial killers, we need hey- were greatly influenced by you, guys we're fascinated by your culture. An this is a case of. Real deviant mind being influenced by all the famous serial killers of all time and taking a little bit from this personal. With that person realize you know, it's people need should be a little more sensational these days to get notice. Then boy did he get noticed. Like I say, though, he really is an indication when people have not even heard about this story here, despite all the publicity, despite the front page news, despite the tv coverage to

by the story being it's like being in London and not hearing about Jack, the ripper or being in LOS Angeles, never hearing about Charles Manson incredible anyway, I did promise that talk about some other books other than my own, and I apologize again. I wanted to talk about some of the books that were. Really, over and beyond a great read and some of the authors were just fascinating interview as well. You go way back to June Ann and there was in it who was Corey Mitchell and his bought the savage son, and he claimed that this book is some of the most difficult to write, because the serial killer just was so evil and sap. So much energy from Corey Justin be able to do this book and anyway, savage son. So if you go back in the archives, you will see

having fun it was in June. I believe some time and it the great interview, Corey Mitchell, a veteran radio guy as well here programme, a block radio. He added at the end had everything do within cold blog, which was an excellent again. Another true crime must therefore to crime fans in cold blood. This seems to be some transitionary. Evolution of the site even know Corey doesn't seem to be involved. So I expect that the in cold blood wool, if it's already hasn't, become something already- is akin to the same rate service of in cold blood. Basically, talking talking about and promoting worthy books from true crime authors talking about interesting stories that will

be of interest to true crime fans, so that was savage son by Corey Mitchell. Great great, read. I didn't want to go back to slow death from Jim Filter. The gym feel their only wrote the one book and I spoke to him personally quite a bit and it did affect his personal life in a negative way. He did get a lot of responses from people that felt that he was in the long somehow by writing the book that he did. I don't see that myself personally, but again. I have got that from a firm on authors and even from Kim came Petrella too Book reviews that a lot of people believe that any involvement will help promote these criminals and promote their crimes, and I end

human controlling and I spoke about it. It seemed nonsensical that we would be criticized for this by whereas fictional writers and people who are fans of fictional regional writing, seem to get a car launch on. Being able to talk about any kind of subject and that being fine or writing about any subject and that being fine, and I think that people just misunderstand the why I do read true crime, I think, and why she certainly reach true crime. Is that we're on a certain side of the law? We we don't feel much sympathy for killers. Of course, we could feel some empathy for the the perpetrator, but a whole lot less than we would for the victim and the family, regardless of their social and economic, social, economic situate,

action or their status. Otherwise they work or whatever they do. So. I think people just miss understand. Where we're coming from and why we would write, review or read through crime at all, and I think I did some people to misunderstand that so Jim feel there really- The wrote a great book and that's why it's still sitting in the bookstores now it's called slow death. It's about David, David, Ray Parker. And I talked about sometimes when these killers employ their own daughters or their own family, to do their evil deeds and that's what what had happened in this case. And he's in another guy that built a special specially designed expensive bunker with the purpose of enslaving, women, a woman or women, many what

Anne and torturing killing and he had a partners while so an employed, his daughter. So it's it's an amazing story, one stories where one of the scenes and this book you could just conjure it up in your mind whether despite not seeing any kind of visual is that a woman escaped naked running after being held, tortured and raped out with a big metal dog chain around her neck running through a trailer court banging furiously on a womans door to be let in and luckily the woman let her in on call police. Meanwhile, the perpetrator in cohorts a couple anywhere in a big car moving only through the trailer park. Looking for so

the horror I mean, I don't have to read fiction anymore. I just read true crime and that's horrifying and scary and everything I need in wrapped up all in one. It's there there's a lot of people say why don't read true crime, and I say well, you know all it would take is any of the classics. Jack Olson was just amazing it's. This is right. Parliament was incredible and Andrew obviously rules true crime, with twenty five twenty six and all these short story, anthologies and and she's, a great lady and great interview and very generous and doing it for and started off as a cop and a very first book. Stranger beside me is about her. Her incredible involvement in the TED Bundy case and her involvement to TED Bunn.

As a friend- and I mean That'S- that's one of the books that we'll get you. I don't care if you think you're, not a true prime reader, you read a book like stranger beside me. You read a book like either vision of a serial killer. You you know, on the farm by Stevie Cameron, you read Karla by TV, Stephen Williams, about the Bernardo Homolka case. You read the other one be beyond darkness. Pardon me out apologize for this. It's the other book by Steven Williams, with the title darkness in it, but Bernardo and Homolka an incredible book. That's more about Karla Homolka in his correspondence with her, and it's call Carla and these books will scared scared,

but Jesus Audio. I mean there. I don't read canadian stories usually, but when you have the stories of the magnitude of Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo Clifford Olson, the child killer, ten shot ten children killed and he gave up the bodies for one hundred thousand dollars. Another fascinating story. This guy is still cackling and taunting the police and authority in government in the families from behind prison bars. You have Robert Willie packed in the millionaire pig farmer feeding his victims to pay this slaughtering on his farm skulls, cut in half in buckets and hands and fingers, and I see a peaceful does the police that the these operations asking people who had received packages of frozen

hamburger and pork meat to bring them back to the RCMP because they needed to be did for human dna? Isn't there did you don't get crazier stories, then the Clifford arson. Story, the Pall Bernardo Carlo Marker Robert Willie packed, and you dont, get worse killers in this and Sydney tear his has to be included in the list and all of those people that included accepts a need. Here is my I've, gotta deprived library. I contacted Catherine Rams land. There are I'm because I think from Canada. You know I mean I understand the bias in America: bigger cities, more notorious killers, more high profile. What city to use has to be included in with the most

and from this killers of all time he just has to because of what he is written because of the way his mind works, an because of the incredible murder and murders. This story is not finished. I have approach the Thor he's in trouble. Try to use a major author to facilitate the re interview of Sydney to Hughes about other murders. I have made some preliminary cups in America as well again. I think they have enough cases themselves. Even if you the test DNA, even if forward, is to listen to what I have set up Serbian, a

well known profiler. We still have some issues basically investigating the cases of somebody. The victims, just not very well known, not so important, likely aboriginal likely homeless, more likely from no but his family. They cared so much at the very least important people in society. It seems when they go to look at certain cases, but I still have faith that I can be successful and that all of this at that butter anyway, we have a few minutes, I'm hoping that no one called ah well. We were doing the program because then I would have. You would have heard me rambling for the entire hour, but it looks like didn't, have any collars,

least anybody to hung around to listen to what I have to say or ask any questions so so I want to wish everybody a very happy holidays. Despite your situation, I hope this program gives you a little bit of relief from what give you a little bit enjoyment in your day or your week, and I hope you please state for one more great programmes from great authors talking. There are fascinating and interesting books, and I want to thank well, as I wrote in my show, description have been about. Seventy five thousand people have downloaded programs in the last three months. That's very, very encouraging a lot of people going to Itunes to do that. Listening their own convenience. There are more and more light listeners, but still obviously deep are trained. Then do appreciate getting to listen to the program on their own timetable. They will listen to it whenever they want.

I want to just an extra minute discontinue with a couple more books than programs that they should check out. We've had the book shattered by Catherine Casey. That was a very good interview, the just a recent one, if you missed it at all, but if is in the middle of the night with Brian Mcdonald in the guy is a great speaker. Sometimes I get people on and you notice that they dominate the conversation and that's fine, I understand how author going to be somebody's going to hog. The conversation is going to be an author and I know that I understand that bribing Donald really has written a great book, I'm images again theirs there's, really good writer, there's good writers, and it is really good writers and sometimes the story itself, and sometimes the style that that author picks for that particular book just makes for a really

gripping read. Rather, you know some read some books, written better than others. Some read a little bit better, but I think the main criteria, some of the stories, are just more compelling and again what the author does. Pics the great stories or the publisher says: hey. We got this great story. Why don't you tackle it? Why don't you cover so in the middle of the night by Brian Mcdonald? Incredible what a lot of people listen to programme was luggage wife luggage by Kroger by Gary Taylor. He called it a true crime memoir I of of interesting, very interesting gasped as well the profiler with Pat Brown, very interesting case. You know just unlikely person

become a serial killer, an understanding serial killers and psychopaths or life hunting, serial killers and psychopaths the profile of a pap around. You know great great book unlikely person having call very fascinating story, how she did involve another book. They come out for the definitive the Bundy murders, a comprehensive history, I fired Mister Sutherland and it's a great book. The Bundy murders are Cropper Kevin Sullivan Bunny murders Comprehensive history and another book that was a little bit out of the norm for us is murder in the high Himalaya Johnny. In Green LE loyalty tragedy escape from Tibet. So I just go back in the archives and listen to some of the programs that you missed, because all of them were really good and interesting. Fascinating in different ways, and I want to say

Thank you for listening this evening. If you did did you did bother to hang around for the old whole hour? I thank you and I feel sorry for you. At the same time, but I join me again on the twenty ninth Isle of open up the lines and see if anybody calls in have some more interest information, and or a arc program join me especially January Fifth Programme, new programs and stay tuned in two thousand and eleven. While we ramp up the heat by bringing in more the most shocking killers into crime, history and the family, others that have written about them to. Thank you very much have a good evening. I'll see you next time, motorist insurance group and Brickstreet Insurance have come together to create a better one: stop shop for agents and policyholders. Circling you with coverage at every step in life's journey. We are now in code.

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