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little bit a news from again a viewer. That was very concern very passionate and very articulate and had sent me a message after the last recorded program I had was with Larry Crompton in December and I believe was the twenty first, My dates wrong, but anyway, the last interview I did before Christmas. Sudden terror with Larry product, and he is a retired veteran detectives who has been on the case for that. Looking for the east area, rapist original night stalker, fifty may of murder part B. Fifty sexual assaults- re ten murders, this perpetrator, terrorized California and net: has never been caught, and so he came on
program was happy to have him. He still live and breathe this case and still is concerned that that this sin is out there and obviously is as not been brought to justice, and he would like the book to be able to do that. If you would like as the the program, if possible for someone they could possibly listen, the program at some point and maybe provide some information for the EAST area rapist to maybe solve this incredible frightening chapter in California. Street by capturing this east area, rapists, original night, stalker, incredible block. I have to apologize, and I did to the person that contacted me and I'm going to read a little bit from her email because, again, and she was very passionate about the case itself. But she had issue with the book itself and the depiction
one of the women Actually, enjoying these sexual assault, the rate by the east area, rapist and I get. I have to apologise, because this is not something that I believe in that way, enjoy rape, or my position has been very clear for anybody listen to the program in aid, and when I go off gently and starts speaking, about issues rather than other than just specifically authors books is that my opinion of victims, and there are, there is no one the does. To die, and there are certainly people that put themselves in harm's way. That doesn't mean I blame these people, the vulnerable street person, the the prostitute, that's vulnerable and is- is out there on the
for whatever reason again drug addicted regardless I don't have a low opinion of these people, have a low opinion of the people that were prey on these People the killers that, through the courts and through dogged police, work, em and all kinds of people coming to the aid of justice that these killers are, to justice, these are the people that I am I target my anger, and why these are the people that need to be incarcerated. These are the people that need to be vilified. These are the people that need to be demonized, not victims, so I would not, if I would carefully read this book, and I you know, I do say that I read these books in their entirety, sometimes because of maybe because five hundred pages or more
don't read all of it as carefully as I should- and this is a good example of why I should have it- read this and then, in the end of her being able to call him on that. Specifically so at least. It doesn't sound like I have I'm going along with this notion whatsoever. So I'll just briefly talk about read a little bit of this Email because I think it's important and. And then we'll deal with that issue. This person as I know that any publicity for this case is a good thing. But I really wish you had not let Crampton slide with something he said during your interview. He said he thought that one of the rape Dixon was sexually excited by the rape. You then backed his belief
by saying that the narcotics department had at some later date found private intimate photos of her having sex with her boyfriend. He has stated the same in his book sudden terror. And she says is justification for smearing. This woman is, he believes she is a slot And only a woman would divorce her husband and display a sexuality would also be sexually excited about being raped. In his view, this is what Larry Crompton did say in the book. During the interview a sunny Walter, I got the feeling that the rape incident really wasn't that frightening to her. It was almost like. This was the ultimate turn on fantasy that had been fulfilled. As we left, I disclose my feelings to Ford,
it seemed like her eyes actually glazed over, which was describing the attack. I stated I picked up on that also thought it was just me, but I noticed arise when she was talking about being tied up and make with area. Rape is standing over Ford, remarked at any rate. Well, she is definitely one of the prettiest he is hit, but I get a real, strong feeling that this marriage is just about over. I replied anyway. I won't. What this this issue anymore, all I know is that my belief system is that I've a hard time, believing that anybody could discern that some actually was excited about this sexual assault. And really some of the argument, this woman put forth, is very credible in terms of her sense of the argument that, when she compares what he
His conclusions to what actually happened and it can be found in this book- that is a conclusion that comes from not looking, facts or or information or evidence, but more of a personal opinion and personal maybe based on you people's mentality, sensibilities have changed over the years. Thankfully- and I think that that there is a lot of people who blame the prostitute, that, diminish their role in society that think that they have something owing to the more or less deserving of our eyes, should, in our respect in our care, special they go missing? We seen endless cases amazing case in Canada, with Robert Picton, forty nine victims, according to him
speaking to an undercover officer but evidence of thirty three again prostitutes and when a prostitute came forward and and gave testimony to the police, they didn't believer because, of course, prostitutes and drug addicted people have called junkies. Don't have any credibility, but you know if you really think about it, people that that dismiss other people really don't have any credibility. So that's what I'm trying to say is: it is the Larry problems of fine art there and it dedicated the police. Are but he may have got it wrong on this one point and this you know thoughtful concerned and very very passionate viewer. Back to me in and wanted to make that correction, and I wish Larry cramped and all the best in capturing these very is that would be amazing, amazing outcome, but let's not again-
the years and years and years- and I am sure, will go through many more years of a blue, the victim and the vulnerable prostitute. The street Walker, not the classy more behind the scenes Escort is just one of the lowest members of society according to a lot of people- and I want to make that very, very clear that these books are filled with vulnerable people, people that these psychopathic killers, these serial killers target specifically for that reason, the more that these people can be not missed, the more that the people are vulnerable and gullible and In a position to jump in vehicle or to do things with strangers. They become the victims of these psychopathic serial killers and speaking of a cycle path.
Serial killers, we're going to be starting the new year with Linda Rosenkrantz and she's, been on a couple times already with her turfline books and she's, going to be talking about a new book called house of lies and it's about a happily married prom queen, and their marriage goes awry and the husband wines up dead. That's a house of lies that is with Linda rose and Grant says: she's a pinnacle, Kensington Press Pinnacle Imprint, author injuries, but on the programme a couple times with her book, a book sport me and let me yet a little bit more information. If I could. Yeah, Linda Rosencrantz and then the next week twin
Third is Sheila Johnson, and Sheila Johnson is the author of blood last blood, highway and blood. Believe betrayal. And she's a newspaper crime reporter and that riding through crime- and she has written the forward to it- It has become a true crime, classic it is one of the first interviews did on murder, and it was very important that I try to do that kind of particular case. David Parker Ray and his partners, including his daughter, dungeon masters, with secret sellers with torture, racks and a instruction manual for the sex slaves that they would have at his compound underground. Compound David Parker Ray one of the
Most fascinating, true crime stories ever and the author of that was Jim Fielder, who has now passed away and when I talk with Sheila Johnson on the the third she has written the the for the the book, and she had told me in our correspondence that it was the first to crime that she had read greatly influenced her, And I will get a little bit more information about the influence of slow death. The incredible case of David Parker Ray and. His dungeon of horror and his accomplices and the I guess, fortunate person, people that got away and were able to tell the story and led to the inevitable capture. Now that is it like I said Linda in France, will be on on the
and in the cases involving Kelly Cannon and she was a former prom queen three children, successful had had handsome husband, Jim and an Ellen elegant home in a wealthy neighborhood in Nashville, but their housekeeper one day, five Jim, murdered strangled to death, while their children slept the whole fairy tale of the promising marriage and power couple. The whole thing collapsed and the behind this facility, Kelly Kelly's glamorous lifestyle, was really more about infidelity alcohol, drug abuse and talk about this ninety pound. Little gorgeous woman and her trial and what the jury and the judge found at
trial, particularly interesting case in Nashville, That is house of lies. Then we have Tom Fill, but an interesting book really what it is. It is gathered a bunch of information that he got from other sources, but really did great job gathering prob. We, the worst collection of serial killers, and there intimate writings, have jointly Gacy, and you have a little bit about John Wayne Gacy, but the people that he wrote extensively about. You might not have heard as much about any rights extensively about Albert FISH, which is the territory of how Harold Schechter there was on before Christmas, great guest, one of the biggest authors and one of my favorites, because really does deal with the most the barents serial killers of all time and re.
Is it a mix of forces, a true crime, author, but there's a amount, you know Harold, Schechter, really understanding or getting to understand serial killer, mind. I think he is one of the I've, not the previous or one of the serial killer parts in the world today, Harold Schecter and he has done stories about album. Fish pedophile Hannibal credible, murderer and wrote the the victim of a six year old hit up doctored, or at least he caught this family into letting him take the the daughter to a little to the to a birthday party that never existed and that and killed her torture. Her eight her as their
later wrote in great detail and disgusting detail what he had done and how much he enjoyed the entire affair. So again, this is almost a segway to talking about my book, because my book. Finally, I got some excellent reviews compiled Some authors that have been on this program and some authors that I approach because of their because best selling authors and also because I really respect the writing and and who they are as true crime, authors and I compiled those reviews from those authors and put them on the Amazon site and publisher was good enough to finally release my book in Kindle version and for those people there have been some requests for the book and especially internationally outside of Amerika Canada. The book it's quite expensive and I have to admit that the
decision by the publisher too, to release the book and have it at twenty two dollars plus tax in Canada, seventeen or eighteen dollars in America plus Tax, usually with Amazon's free shipping, no major contribution in the US, and so you won't be seeing it. And noble on the shelf throughout America and really would an arm and a leg and other body parts. No pun intended to be able to get that done anyway, so it's available published on the bed, but again for a lot of people. You know a lot of for books or seven or eight dollars or ten dollars and and anyway, it's not a motivator for people a lot of times in these tough times and so many books to pick.
From and so many great authors of so many fascinating stories. As you know, from listening to this program that now the ebook is more affordable, there's a lot of people that prefer e books. We saw the advent of the book outselling paperbacks in Britain and I know America The sales we're inching towards that anyway, whether it peaks or whether levels off or whether it declined somewhat the book is here to stay. It is preferred by many people and now trophy kill the Amazon Kindle version available before I denied. So it is more affordable, and I urge those people that enjoy this program, that without the book, without my involvement with this psychopathic serial killer and the
a system and being involved in a law reform group prior to that and my whole involvement. After moving from sleepy little town to murder, capital of Canada, a real eye opening about murder and not to say that it consumes me constantly. But this is what I chose the specializes murdered the murder process them. The law behind murder and especially the mind of the murderer, the killer, the psychopathic, the psychology behind all of the players, the defense attorneys, the prosecuting attorneys, the jurors, the media and the audience at the media. Toys with will say every player. That's involves very fascinating to me and with.
The book itself and the research behind it I sort of became involved. I read that one of the first true crime books was in cold blood, but later when I was doing the research for my own book, one of the first books that I read was strange beside me from that rule and what I particularly enjoyed was really drew me into the story was her personal involvement with one of the worst serial killers and most charismatic and most evil serial killers of all time to but and she was working at a suicide hotline with him and had no idea who he really was, and it's an amazing book to sort of get your feet wet and become a true crime. I was, I was not fiction, readers
it with a little bit of fiction, but I don't think I've read much else but true cry, because as this program, as illustrated, it's illustrated to be from all the arts that I've had the program, everything from memoir to to the to the true crime sort of typical format, to some kind of daring kind of formats, things are sort of mixed. The memoir meets true crime, but this different respect those from now a judge who was a lawyer for John Wayne Gacy a prosecuting attorney media person, who is championing championing the the the false imprisonment or the false false imprisonment of of
their subject in their book. So they go on to be an activist and someone fighting for this person's freedom because they are wrongfully convicted. There are those that have been on the program written a book from the perspective of the victims fan. We and then of forest, the ensuing trials and from the perspective of a family that interceded and prevented a serial killer from killing their child and because of that intervention. Because of that apprehension of that criminal, it led to the discovery that this person was a serial killer. I had before Christmas a person who was convicted of murder but was given a sentence by reason insanity, so they spent in total about seven years,
three years it at its detention or for years at an institution three years at a hospital this is us, gets a friend a killer saw. There is. And I could go on and on about the perspective, and so this is why. Originally I became involved. I first became involved by reading the papers and being disturbed that reading as much as I could about the law and then becoming active in this law reform group and then working In the media on radio doing a program where I had the freedom to be able to do whatever subject. Was really interested in more and more. It became more serious subjects and about the and trying to understand the law, especially when it came to serious crime. We're not talking about.
For crime, we're talking about the most serious crime of, of course. That's murder, rape, pedophile. But let's start at the most heinous of all crime, murder so This is what is shaped me is this k, but I was involved in in two thousand and three July. First in the city of wood, a pig. Province of Manitoba in Canada to a popular about, seven hundred thousand people kind of the size of over without the suburban area, not much suburbs per se. Anyway, the shall we dance movie, Jennifer Lopez, Susan Sarandon and Richard Gere was being filmed in Winnipeg. It was originally planned
so the Toronto, where the beer MAX film, that was that was very, very successful. Oscar winning Chicago had been filled, and I think it's really pretty obvious that MAX, was trying to capitalize on that dance team movie by putting Richard Gere back in a role in a dancing role has The title: shall we dance? It's a remake, however, but Jennifer Lopez, very, very big celebrity now, then, and probably forever Susan a a star, big starred, Richard Gere, be filled filled the because, because of the Sars threat, they moved it to Winnipeg. So about halfway through June middle of June, or so this Red Richard here right with a big big who led the city. Would it take it? You don't know it as stored in a lot of work from America. Hollywood, specifically in a lot of american jurisdiction
this by the fact, basically being able to get a movie done for half price, with all the subsidies with all the because with the pay was such a cheap or it expensive place to make a film and because they had an experienced crew here, a support they could bring in and make movies smaller budget movies movies that could make a profits. Would you start dealing with fifty percent difference in the price of a movie? It starts getting attractive it. We shall we dance was being filmed in. Winnipeg was a big deal, a big deal. The this the city was in town waiting for Jennifer Lopez, wasn't in town as of yet as yet, but you is due at that time. She was engaged to Ben Affleck, applicant Ben Affleck at that time was in Vancouver It was whole controversy with some eggs
dancers and they were engaged and, as you know, that was a rocky subber for the couple itself and led to their their split Anyway, there was a gentleman they Robert Robin Robin Robert Greed. And he was an aboriginal that lived on a small reserve about two. Half hours from Winnipeg close to the Ontario border, and he was in with a apparently I found this out later is to visit his sister. It is came in for the forks for the festivities that came into the the was where the fireworks display would the there's a lot of others obeyed stage there for entertainment. You know
Half the city would gather their on July first, so it was sort of a big deal. There's shops there, of course vendors and it's it's the one of the big places, if not the place, on July. First in Winnipeg anyway, this person anyway, this person came in visit, guess sister, I guess maybe visit friends for come in and the fireworks in in entertainment, a visit for a visit July first by police reports reports. I Yes, he at some point saw what was going on. There was barricades close to the outdoor location, then surrounded and richer. Here, I believe, we're shooting some seeds are one of them, or both of them were shooting some seeds, and there was a course barricades surrounding the vicinity and the There was people around trying to get a glimpse of one of the stars: robbed greed.
By this crowd, probably didn't know what was really going on. I doubt he really was you just got. Into the city, and I'm not sure if he was really aware of what was really going on, but certainly this will be a novelty for most most people- even Winnipeg citizens, despite movies being a big thing here for fifteen years, for sure. Robin Green then left that sort of group of people milling around the barricades at this outdoor movie location. Unlike often the movie trailers that the stars change their clothes in and hang around often are not that close to usually these outdoor sets. But anyway, this time it was- and I guess Robin Green. Made it to one of the trailers- and I found this out through my invest
The issue that one of the security staff that was entrusted to watch the trailer, especially since shredded trailer. While he fell asleep. Rob agreed was in the area, so the open trailer, I guess- or the trailer park me- the unmanned unguarded trailer- do the trailer ed This is read. It wears a big thick gold chain with appended in the movie. And my information. They said it was originally costume joy, but it was her purse. Little jewelry that she has achieved
for a while and she used it and wore it in the movie itself. Well, that was in the trailer and Robin Green found. It took it exited the trailer and walked about eight ten blocks north. It wound up at this bar called the wood bide. Now the wood by Is right next door? It is it's a it caters to a sort of a harder drinking crowd. That's because this is a downtown bar, even though it looks pretty good looking establishment. It's open at nine, a am so it's for the serious, serious drinker and right next door, though, is interesting, was TED talker dead, studio.
That's where Richard Gere would have his limo. I would imagine parked out front, but that's where he was getting dance lessons from an instructor right next door. So Heaven some co stars were getting what he felt was extra dance lessons right next door to this hotel. Now this hotel was down the alley from the we'll Albert Hotel, Albert arms, hotel, but a block just out in the basement. It was sort of a fixture of hardcore bands, Cannibal corpse, punk, heavy metal hardcore. I say cannibal
course, you that's the kind of bands that often played there. It was it's one of the heavier have your bars for for bands coming through to play it and the hotel itself was established in nineteen thirteen. So this was well the way I put it. It's pretty decrepit hotel at So low income residents really fill this place and Cindy Tear Hughes, who would just got back from Kenora Ontario again couple hours away by car, even fire fired from job as a chef there at a restaurant, and he was back in Winnipeg and city had left Winnipeg when he was. Nineteen years of age at his dream was always to go out to Vancouver and he made
out of a cover any worked as a chef stay there for about nine years and then move to admitted Alberta. Had moved, lived in various places, but primarily that's where he lived. He had moved for some reason from Edmonton Alberta the way to Kenora Terrio for employment. There was fired because of drinking made. His way back to win a pig with a pig is the same where he grew up. He is also aboriginal and lived on a small reserve, but his mother gave up when she was fifteen for adoption or foster care and the people that took him in in name, tear tear a dutch dutch family, and they it been foster
to care that eventually, when he was three years old, they adopted about right and he became city tear Hughes now, city tear use was in the bar. The Woodbine. According to him, shortly after nine am came from, the hotel apparently had been up all night drinking. Doing crack smoking crack. That's what he dead anyway, was in the bar early sitting, with a couple people and according to him Robin Greed Walt is in
And proceeds to go table to table trying to sell a gold necklace for fifty dollars. Now he encounters green. Says. Once you have a seat starts looking at the jewelry, it examines the jewelry realizes it looks in his his mind anyway. It looks like women's jewelry and, as he says later, he thought it looked quite old. Excuse me and look quite old, yet he thought it was costume jewelry or at least that's what he said much later, regardless he looked at this jewelry declined to buy it.
He said he gave they had a pitcher of beer. He gave half a glass of beer to his new friend acquaintance. They they sat. They proceeded to talk Apparently they had a lot in common other attractive in Sydney is a self about homosexual and Sidney. Listen. Why wanted you go back to my room? I have some. Alcohol in my room, so apparently they went and is sitting tear whose later claimed they went back to his room for kids sex, that a level you, but the only people that use the word consensual.
Is when they're arguing that it wasn't conceptual. I find it odd when he uses that term consensual anyway, he went up to his room and they began drinking and having sex oral sex sex. Quite a bit of talk, Sydney talking about having a lot of sexual relations with this new acquaintance, taking some Polaroid photos of them. The intimate poses in the bathtub naked, posing and at some point, The new says, I wouldn't mind getting some sleep Sure he goes down to the bar. Has a couple drinks? Do a bartender down. There comes back upstairs, they have the more alcohol. Apparently they decide
go out for a walk. They had south towards a parked is frequented by homosexuals. They they go past the library pick up some more alcohol, apparently it's a really really hot day, it's July. First, two thousand and three. Now they walk towards a street, and this park is their final destination get. It might have taken twenty minutes to get there from where they were downtown, not much longer than that it soon as they get near that park, they would have to look. They would just have to look to their right and they would see the barricades. That Robin had seen earlier in the day, not that many hours earlier, it would seem
the barricades and they must have had a conversation about the movie, the deck lace, the trailers, some conversation. They hung around the park, they came back, it was maybe about five thirty. They talk to the bartender the city to reduce, asked the bartender to watch his new friend says I gotta go downstairs get some ice. The apparently the bartender was introduced to purely since this is my cousin. That's a joke about that. Regional supervisor cousin. I didn't know that, but anyway
She says that he was swaying, so he was visibly drunk, see the city seemed to be fined. He went down, got a bucket ice came back upstairs they did their due headed up to the room and that's the end of the first chapter. Now, the next day about nine hundred and thirty in the morning and remember the bartender sauce in the five hundred and thirty or so maybe five hundred and forty five six o'clock, it's now nine hundred and thirty the next day July. Second,. The July second happens to be the anniversary of city to use being adopted into the chair, whose family.
A family he later claims that abused him sexually badly physically. He hated these people and he made a point of July second being a significant date now were on July. Second, two thousand and three city reviews walks into not a police station, but he believes it's a police station. It's a reman centre. Not much difference, but he walked into the rebate center. I write glee right across the law. Courts walks in covers can be cleaned up. There's. The blood on him he walks cobbling coolly, though panic that are ready to replace watch calmly, coolly, little boys. This is for bad. Your people, coveted for visits, usually typically, would have
the city says. Could I speak to somebody so the first is that the best as well okay, so he calls his superior in the back room that they don and dog comes up for the back end. Yes, yes, can I help you, sir? Can I help you, as a teacher is yes I
I ve come here because I am I killed somebody yesterday because will hopefully take it easy, I'm not the guy. Should we say this to you felt like a confession. Here is it so he knows legal. He knows enough about legality that this is not the person. I'm not. The should be should be speaking to about this and he number the number and gave it to your views and- and it was the public safety, the the police department. He told the receptionist the person on the line that he had killed? Someone want to turn himself in, she said. Well, how do you do this? Why stabs of and and what happened? Well, I yard, but I woke up and I I woke up I blacked out when I will
got my withered awash with there was there was like wait. There was my victim. I can't remember I blacked out okay, so she said okay,. Police officers are other way, so the guards that have a seat cops took. Maybe fifty minutes wasn't far. They came so because of his cool beater com to Demeter. There wasn't a period of time where the police actually thought that he might be jokey because of that and they they don't have that originally, so they escorted her back to his room at the Royal Albert Arms Hotel group, three of the and another officer joined them. So there was three of and an officer beach was employed to.
Startled the hall with city tier, whose guarding him, while the blue officers witted because he still was another arrest, they wedded to confirm this person story. The first thing they noticed was some bloody underwear hanging on door doorknobs, it's a very, very, very small room and they noticed the bed. It had a sheet on the floor. At the police officer. Sylvia Schroeder woman went towards the bed while her while her partner Martin. Towards the small washer which be to the left and he opened up the door and in the bathtub was Robert Robert Greed.
Was no blood on his body, but his body was posed in that tub facing the doorway for maximum shock value. He'd been decapitated. His head had been reposition back of the. Spine that was jutting out. He had been sown in half at the waist and yet the two
Two halves of the body were put together positions together. The arms were deserted. You later very much like a surgeon, would wear pathologist would at the elbows and the legs were deserted. You re at the knees very much again like they would do it without topsy very careful of those were positioned. He was clearly castrated. There. That was put in this position again. No blood one of the eyes was deflated. The other was missing, the mouth was frozen, wide open the neck and chest had sixty eight stab wounds.
But not random, it was in a figure. Eight pattern. Almost symmetrical pattern, left side right side. The hand was partially carefully dissected, but the thing that separates this crime and this killer. Is what that officer saw at that same time? There's no way of me describing it
for you and there's no way. I could put it in a book and describe it for you, but the thing that he was hit with was all of those things I described and one other thing. The killer had sliced the chest: cavity, open and guarded the human being. He had taken all of the organs, the intestines, the everything, the absolutely everything.
Out of that cavity everything and it was washed. There was no blood, that's what that officer got to see. No, he couldn't move for, probably two or three minutes. Now he was told that there was going to be a body in that bathtub. And it's murder capital of Canada, and this is a rough and tumble town, but still it's never happened before This is never not even jack. The ripper did this and, of course, there's some heinous horrible crime seeds. Guess
they find about three feet away: Susan Sarandon Storm Gold, necklace. What was it doing there? Why was it? There was the question. International news everywhere, the fact we leave it to the paparazzi to intentionally get something wrong, Jennifer Lopez is necklace found in pool of blood. She wasn't in town, yet.
But Susan Sarandon's, gold, necklace was was three or four feet from this, but, more importantly, poorly was found at the crime and, more importantly, why was it there at the crime scene? What did it have to do in terms of the motive for the murder? What, indeed. Now this killer had one lawyer and then fire that lawyer and got the most experienced murder trial lawyer, the English speaking world needs great Brodsky and.
How do you get to be the most experienced murder trial lawyer in the English speaking world, where we can, We don't just give you a lawyer. We pay for the lawyer to a system that seems to make a lot of sense instead of just giving you an inexperienced lawyer and paying for the tab. We give as good a lawyer as a person who has money can afford. That's the great thing about Canada. Now, in my book, after I'm jumping ahead. In my book I interview Greg Brodsky on my radio program. I interview Greg Brodsky, but
unknown to him? I had already corresponded with his psychopathic client for a year now when I said that Sydney his claim to. Black out and not remember any of the crime, of course, that just sounds ridiculous, especially the Americans and the other people in jurists, Dick. Where murder is murder, and certainly you would not expect this to not be considered murder? You would consider this to be murder, but in Canada. Especially at that time under the presiding government. At that time, a confluence of events made it that. The law in the first place is that self induced intoxication could reduce murder to manslaughter.
And slaughter, even though you could get a life sentence, you don't. Typically, around ten years, which. With good behaviors about eight years, but at that time in two thousand and three pre trial custody was counted as double so killers were, in effect. Being released in about four years now, how does this apply to this killer Well believe it or not, with the trial lawyer in the English speaking world, with a victim that is, it highly regarded a family, they probably it, even though what hit him and that's all highly regarded Years of.
Writing off these murders as all just a bunch of drunk people. You know those people not an important case. What we had is a situation where this psychopathic serial killer would have been out and about three or four years, ready to kill again. Or has he already killed before so? What makes this true crime book different? Is that not only do you get to read the words and the feeling In the emotions and the mindset of one of the most heinous serial killers all time, you also get to see about trial
and hear about the stead, and unlike many of the books that you have the author, I became the star witness for the prosecution based on trying to write a book about this case, because the case dragged on from two thousand and three to two thousand and eight the end of two thousand and eight. There was plenty of time for the serial killer to want to talk that in this book you get a meticulous, that's a kind word, I guess for what happens, but you to understand how the entire murder process actually works. It's not tv,
it's not law and order. Some cases don't matter and despite it not being your jurisdiction or your country, you can still see the mindset of killers running a mock in the the serial killers that have killed. Often they killed in places where there was going to be a death penalty. Other killers avoided emitting murders in certain jurisdictions, so they would avoid the death penalty, but still have the info by it's a completely different situation. When you have the kind of environment that we have here in this country, especially with this kind of law, it's almost like they're handcuffed and they can
barely prosecute murder. Even when the killer is, is shouting from the roost rooftop. I am a serial killer. I loved he'll and I enjoy it. So for those have been listening to the program. If you're a new list, there you're an old list there, what I've right to bring, is to you each week, with this program is the most, killers and true crime history and the authors that have written about them. And I am an author that has written about one of the most shocking killers in true crime history and that's not exaggeration but it also has an introduction to who I am how passionate I am about the law and ensuring that these people are
recognized for the evil entities that they are and also as anyone is listen to this program, knows that there is a discussion. What do we do with the psychopathic killer? What do we do with the insane chiller? What is the. Solution to these people doing what they do. Is there any rhyme or reason, and can we learn anything by knowing more and knowing as much as we can about the crimes the people involved? There's nothing we about the true crime listener or reader. A lot of people have said that all my friends think I'm so weird and it's true
crime is true history, its current events of it's now, it's history. If it's, then it's also about society and culture. Thanks to the fans of. True murder: this is one of the most popular podcast in the world and especially about murder and especially about true crime, and it was in this program was charting was reached number. Seventy eight in the US Australian Itunes chart just before Christmas, so I want to thank everyone that listens to the program, especially the people that Put up with me for this entire, our blabbing about myself and the program in my book, but I would really. Invite you to please go to Amazon, get an ebook version. If you can of this book Because it can tell you a lot about serial killers
in general. It is a primer, if you don't know exactly. I mean most of these books tell you, but this is close up very, very personal, but really it is. I think it will change the way you think about how these people believe what they believe it's much worse than what might be represented port when they talk passionately or detached Lee about the crimes and how the victims didn't mean much and their trophy gathering are atrocious, evil, hey! This is just the tip of the eye, and would you read my book? I put two very
compartmentalize chapters there for you, because they are heart wrenching when the killer talks about taking out the victims, heart and slicing it open and letting the blood drip on himself. There's never been anything like this, and I take you through that journey because I went through that journey. It came out a different, I guess extractive inextricably involved, which may, if you look it up, there's no real way. I can ever escape this. It's a part of me. And what I want people to know is if you enjoy this program and enjoy the kind of authors that I have on this program. I am one of those authors as well. This provided a glimpse into the mind of these
of a serial killer in a particular case, with all the twists and turns mostly credible fictional tale that you'll ever read, except it's absolutely true and that's what true murder is the most, Shocking killers in true crime, history and truth is much much much stranger than fiction. So again, I want to thank you very much for listening to this program tonight. This has been true murder, with your host Zamansky join next week for Lynn. Rosencrantz and her book house of lies. Goodnight.
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