So why do they keep talking about to this? Katie Vance has thought more about the subject and anyone. The movie version of his book is streaming in theaters tomorrow, and we wanted to ask him these questions: J, DOT, D, Vance thanks so much for coming out before I ask about the movie, let me ask you about the central place in the elite liberal, mind occupied by climate theyve never succeeded above in convincing the population that this should be a top concern. Why is that I think thats, because people Organize- and they are fundamentally unserious. I think most people recognize if you are lecturing the average American about how much they drive their car, but you are letting the two biggest polluters in the world. China and India basically do whatever they want to. You are not interested in environmental damage. They are interested in gaslighting. So when people like John Kerry,

want to preach about the importance of self denials to save the climate and then go and buy a thirteen dollars million mansion and say nothing to China and India, people recognize they are full of, but to keep trying. These are people who come by the way hate nature are at war with nature and not interested in the actual environment at all, but climate is always at the top of their plan, whats in it for them. Why thats a pretty complicated question? I will give you one part of my answer. A lot of what these people have is. They have lost any sense of real religious faith. They are often tied up with a sense of denial. They dont drive the car. They dont go to certain actions. They take certain actions that are perceived as virtuous and its an organizing principle around which they can kind of around which they can kind of

organize their life. A lot of people may care about the environment in a very real way and recognize that that sort of religious approach to the issue doesnt make any sense. I also think theres a component of basic power going on here. If you look at the agenda, thats been pushed by people who care the most or at least claim that they care the most about the environment, its very often making industries that are important in the heartland, more economically troubled and its making other industries like digital technology, easier to sort of push and make the centerpiece of an american economic policy. So I think in a lot of ways, these people have sort of a sense of virtue and self interest align and intersect in a way that makes the environmental issue pretty tough. To bring any rationality. Two nicely put:

you wrote one of your best selling books. The reviews of the film have been tinged by politics. Why do you think that is? There are a lot of things going on one: a lot of people dont like that im, a conservative and a talk about these issues in a comment on these things from a writers perspective and im. Fine with that, I think it was something a little bit more pernicious that im starting to pick up on and its this idea that Hollywood has made a movie about working class white people. Tucker, you know the story and a lot of folks have read the book: its a story about addiction, resilience, family, overcoming obstacles, but also suffering and really important and profound ways. Unfortunately, those movies, I think, arent, especially popular those stories- are popular among

the intelligent and they dont want to hear stories about Working Class America. I personally think thats disgusting and wrong, but RON Howard in the team, imagined and thought enough about it. I think the folks who watched a movie on Netflix tomorrow when it comes out will hopefully find something about my family that they can sympathize with, and that is, I think, really the goal of telling the story in the first place. I think urinalysis is exactly right. The reviews I have read it reject the idea of chronicling the lives of people who they think should just shut up or go away and die. I commend you for telling your.